Makati

[D Cups]

Radian,

First, I found women who were hot enough to bang in almost every bar I visited. But not all hotties were viable bar fine candidates once I started talking to them. I learned over a very short learning curve that the youngest and hottest tended to have the worst attitudes and personalities. For my personal tastes, enthusiasm takes equal or even greater weight than pure physical looks. So take time in the bar to talk to her by buying a lady drink. Find the right balance between looks and personality. It's worth the modest investment of $5-6 to get 20-30 minutes of her time before you pull the trigger.

As to your specific question, you will find more choices and better value (about half the cost) in Angeles City. In the most active bars, there were never less than 20 girls working with at least 5-7 of them hot enough for me to be interested. Be picky and take your time. And budget at least $15 per bar for your drink + a lady drink before you budget for bar fines and tips.

By the way, the reverse is true about your attitude and personality. Be the happy guy who's having fun! Talk to anyone, make jokes, be interesting. If you go into a bar to be a lurker in the back row seats, you won't get decent results.

Have fun!

Happy Kat I like your attitude. I have gotten more choosy as I age what with many regulars in PI, a live in Filipina GF, a brown sugar in USA and three phenomenally busty dominicanas that I only see annually but what a treat. Still, it is fun to dabble in unexplored territory. Every pussy is still different and an exciting adventure! Get some!

[MrHappyKat]

MrHappyKat, as someone who has recently spent a lot of time in both AC and MNL, which do you think was best for girl quality / experience?

I'm arriving later this week, don't have a hotel booked yet, and deciding whether to stay in Makati or trek over to Angeles. I'm aware that food and facilities are better in Manila, but as I'm only there for 4 days its the girls that take precedence.

Radian,

First, I found women who were hot enough to bang in almost every bar I visited. But not all hotties were viable bar fine candidates once I started talking to them. I learned over a very short learning curve that the youngest and hottest tended to have the worst attitudes and personalities. For my personal tastes, enthusiasm takes equal or even greater weight than pure physical looks. So take time in the bar to talk to her by buying a lady drink. Find the right balance between looks and personality. It's worth the modest investment of $5-6 to get 20-30 minutes of her time before you pull the trigger.

As to your specific question, you will find more choices and better value (about half the cost) in Angeles City. In the most active bars, there were never less than 20 girls working with at least 5-7 of them hot enough for me to be interested. Be picky and take your time. And budget at least $15 per bar for your drink + a lady drink before you budget for bar fines and tips.

By the way, the reverse is true about your attitude and personality. Be the happy guy who's having fun! Talk to anyone, make jokes, be interesting. If you go into a bar to be a lurker in the back row seats, you won't get decent results.

Have fun!

[MrHappyKat]

Where do you find the best sugar dates, I've only used seeking.com.

Moto1452,

Seeking is hands down the best resource in Manila. A few tips based on my experiences:

1. Timing is important: Don't bother messaging more than 7 days before you arrive. 3-4 days is optimal.

2. Change your Seeking profile location to Manila when you want to start sending & receiving messages, and make sure your profile is set to visible in search.

3. Don't bother using Seeking in Angeles City. There are very few viable active profiles in the AC area. I suggest PinaLove instead.

4. As with messaging in your home country, try to move the conversation off the site (to WhatsApp) ASAP. Do not mention anything P4 P related or risk being banned by Seeking for a TOS violation.

5. Once on WhatsApp, make sure you discuss that you are looking for fun (short term arrangement) on your 1st date. But you may want to hint at the possibility of a longer arrangement in the future.

6. Requested allowance rates will be comparable to the high-end freelancer rates, between PHP6,000 and PHP10,00 or more. I was able to negotiate every ask down by around 2 k by focusing on my budget for allowance rather than her "worth. ".

7. Plan taking her to dinner and budget between PHP3,000 ($60 USD) and PHP7,000 ($140 USSD) for both of you.

8. All of my sugar dates told me I had to use a condom. All of them back down from that when I explained I would show them a fresh test (taken the day before my flight). Do not offer more money for BB. Just move on.

9. She will be late. Plan an extra 30 minutes for travel time and traffic.

10. Don't expect overnights. She is probably working or attending classes during the day and will want to head home to sleep.

Have fun!

[Radian]

Last day in the PH before flying home and I wanted to get the most of it.

MrHappyKat, as someone who has recently spent a lot of time in both AC and MNL, which do you think was best for girl quality / experience?

I'm arriving later this week, don't have a hotel booked yet, and deciding whether to stay in Makati or trek over to Angeles. I'm aware that food and facilities are better in Manila, but as I'm only there for 4 days its the girls that take precedence.

[Moto1452]

Makati Day 2:

I had the second Sugar Date scheduled at 6 pm at an upscale place in the Grand Hyatt Makati Hotel. The plan was gourmet food, premium wine, and then (if she was into it) back to my room for dessert. We had a very nice time during dinner, talking and laughing for at least an hour after we finished eating. That's when I tried to pull the trigger. She was down and seemed totally into the idea and knew that was required before I would offer any allowance. She asked me where I was staying and that's when it all went to shit.

Where do you find the best sugar dates, I've only used seeking.com.

[MrHappyKat]

Last day in the PH before flying home and I wanted to get the most of it.

I still had some shopping to do for myself and for gifts for friends back home. I had been constantly disappointed by my inability to find and buy souvenir shot glasses. I've been collecting them on my travels for decades and really wanted to add a few to my 400+ collection from the Philippines. I knew (or I suspected) that I could find some at the airport when I flew home, but I prefer to get them from locations and / or attractions I actually visit. Manila Ocean Park-no shot glasses. ABC Hotel-sold out. Little shops along Walking Street-nope. Margarita Station-TShirts, no shot glasses. Filling Station & Jose Cuervo Cantina-sorry, pal, no. Makati Hard Rock Cafe-I mean come on! I have a whole display shelf of HRC glasses from all over the world. But they, too were sold out. I lamented my sadness to the ridiculously hot bar tender there and she took pity on me by offering me a consolidation blow job. Ok, no that didn't happen (in reality anyway). But she did call the HRC Manila location to have them set aside two shot glasses for me. Today was my only opportunity to head across the city to the S. Masion Mall next to the Conrad Hotel and pick them up. BTW: This is a nice, upscale mall and I got what I consider the best cup of coffee in the Philippines there at a little cafe by the front entrance. Starbucks? Tim Hortens? Fugetabboutit!

I found the HRC on the 2nd level and picked up 2 shot glasses and few more items. Then headed back to Makati to grab lunch at Filling Station. After lunch, I wrapped up some emails, said my goodbyes to any bar girls and Sugar babies I had on my whatsapp list and took a nap until 5:30 pm.

Around 6:30 I arrived at JC Cantina and got some farewell hang time with Joe the manager. Then I walked to Naituca to (hopefully) find the tiny, affectionate spinner I had chatted up on Wednesday, two nights before. She was there! She recognized me when I walked in. It was early in the shift so there were no other customers there. The early shift line up, even at 7:00 pm was excellent. Maybe 10 girls total. But 4 of them were exactly my type; short & slim (VERY slim) pretty face, animated (that is, not just doing the zombie shuffle on stage), and mostly ages up to 28-ish. The rest were also fairly attractive; maybe a bit taller, or a bit thicker, but all at least attractive. I sat down with my girl and ordered us drinks. She was wearing a body hugging, sheer, mesh white bodysuit that showed off lots of good features, and she immediately resumed her affectionate play; kissing, rubbing Jr Kat (who was now VERY happy), and otherwise flirting. I had already packed, except for the essentials I would need to get ready in the morning and I had grabbed a snack at the Cantina as well. So I was ready for a prolonged romp with this girl.

Now this is a good time to provide some additional info on her: She is 25 (I checked her pic ID. Twice), 4'3" (yes, four foot three inches) tall and weighs 66 lbs. I rechecked her ID because-check my last sentence. Bar fine was PHP3,800 and she wanted a PHP5,000 tip. Add drinks and I paid the bar PHP4,300 and we were off to my hotel. I had the security guard recheck her ID as well and asked the 2nd guard to do so as well. They both approved. BTW: I have not seen this any references in past posts to this, but I have been tipping the security guard PHP100 each time I brought a guest to the hotel. Seemed like an inexpensive insurance policy. And it ensured the guards remembered me favorably.

Up to the room and happy times ensued, with one small issue: I had made a point of asking her for BB when we met 2 days ago and she agreed. I asked again before I bar fined her. When we got naked on the bed she asked me to use one. I calmly reminded her of our conversation and she tried to claim that BB was only for BBBJ and that we needed a condom "for safety. " I stood fast and, again calmly, let her know that we would not be using one and showed her my recent test results. She still balked. I then explained that she had a choice; forget the condom or I go back to the club and get someone else. She asked me what tip she would get if I did that and I told her zero. After about 5 minutes of this, she agreed to skip the rubber and it was game on.

She moved past her trepidations and proceeded to provide enthusiastic services; lots of oral, various positions and I opted to for CIM. Well ok, I just couldn't hold out long enough to CIP.

We drifted off to sleep for about an hour. When I woke up, I knew I was done for this session and I needed to wake early to catch my plane in the morning. So I handed over her tip and sent her off. Then went back to sleep.

Woke up around 6 am, showered and packed up the rest of my kit. Then off to NAIA Terminal 1. Check in was a bit hectic but being a business class passenger, I skipped past the longest lines. Got through security and headed for the A1-Lounge designated for PAL flights to SFO and LAX. A word about this lounge: It sucks. Ok that's two words.

At the appointed time headed to the gate, boarded and the flight took off a mere 30 minutes late.

That was yesterday. And this is my last Field Report for my trip, save one more I will post on the General Info board with my personal observations.

Will I return? Yes. Eventually. I will either plan a longer trip of at least 30 days assuming I can wrangle my work schedule, or I may make additional plans to look at formally retiring in the Philippines in the next 2 years.

For now, it's back to my real life of 5 rotating Sugar Babies: 1 Asian, 1 Latina, 1 AA, and 2 Porn Stars (which ain't so bad, really).

[Errol Flynn]

I spent one night in Makati (Thursday, March 16th) I had planned on spending four nights there, but expats I met in AC convinced me not to. (Had I loved it I could have added on some days later in my trip, but I figured I'd do one night to check it out even though my "advisers" said not to spend any time there.).

I stayed at the City Garden Grand (not to be confused with the City Garden across the street). Nice hotel, although like everything in Makati it (and food and drink there) is expensive compared to AC. Elevators are SLOW. Only two seem to operate regularly and they are not enough, plus the security system where everyone has to flash their keycard for their floor slows things down further. Room was nice. Bed is huge. Bathroom okay, but not overwhelming. No minibar was annoying. I paid my lodging through Agoda so the hotel wouldn't give me credit for anything (no tabs, I would have given them a card if they asked)). Rooftop restaurant and pool have gorgeous views but terrible service. Location is great if you want to with P Burgos.

I had made a last minute decision to bring my 19 year old sweetheart from AC with me (Makati was a stopover on the way to Puerto Galera). At the time I wasn't sure it binging her was a good choice (although ultimately it was). So although I went to check out the Burgos bars I wasn't actively looking (A. Was still on Bar Girl time and having been roused at 10 am she was napping in the evening. I didn't want a late night so I left her and went bar hopping on my own between 10 pm and midnight).

There were quite a few FLs on the street, much more aggressive than in AC, most would ask "You want massage?" A few were cute (none more than a 7 in my book). Some were quite fugly. (Many trannies, but that's the PI. Didn't ask price but it seemed to be a buyer's market even for the better looking ones. I visited five or six bars, starting at the top of Burgos. Compared to AC they were all piss poor. I bought myself a drink in all of them (to have time to look. I didn't always consume the whole thing) and bought drinks for girls in two of them. Mostly from sympathy but also to get intel. I was the only punter in most of these bars (maybe it was early, but not that early). The girls were mostly 5's, the drinks were expensive, the hustle was bigger than AC. It reminded me of NYC Times Square Clip Joints, which as a New Yorker (at the time) I knew better than to visit. I'm not saying that you couldn't find a gem in a bar in Makati. A gem can materialize anywhere. But the idea that you should spend more money searching for a gem in Makati than in AC is ridiculous. You are much more likely to find the gem in AC. If you're there for business, fine. But if you have a choice, and it's girls that you want, choose Sabang (I'll come to that).

After the bars I had a pizza at Argos, good food. The saddest thing was the teenage girls begging with infant children in their arms. Don't eat on the street on P Burgos unless you have a strong stomach. The next day my girl and I had brunch at The Filling Station. She loved it. I get it, 19 years old from the provinces this is a great photo / tik toc opportunity. Plenty of food, decent flavors, overpriced, but that's what you get.

[MrHappyKat]

Makati Day 3:

I had a repeat date scheduled with the Sugar Baby I met on day 3 in Ermita. We met for dinner at a restaurant near BGC; steak, wine, chat and flirting. She was tired, and I could see it in her face as we talked. She's been taking mid-term exams and they have been hectic, some lasting up to 8 hours between written, oral and labs. She had another round at 7:00 am the next day. Although she was determined to stay with me through dessert in my hotel room, I vetoed that part of the plan. I could see she was barely staying awake during dinner, and I didn't want to face the chance that she would doze off in the middle of our horizontal mambo (sadly, it wouldn't be the 1st time, but that is a different story). I paid for dinner and slipped her PHP2,000 when I put her in a Grab to go home.

I went back to P. Burgos and decided to revisit Maison for some eye and hand-candy. Spent a while fondling and getting fondled and the only reason I didn't pull a girl for my room was that I have plans tonight (my last night) to pull a tiny, 25-year old cutie I met at Nautica on Wednesday and I want to make sure my "rig" is fully charged for maximum effect. Assuming she didn't lie to me (ok, ok, yeah I know), and she hasn't been bar fined by someone else, I'll take her to my room tonight and after I pack her bag, I'll have her help pack my bag, so to speak.

I have an early morning flight home tomorrow. This has been an incredible adventure, and I'm already thinking about when I can come back for vacation or to retire.

Look for one more post here on my last night. And then a few days after I get home I will post a "observations and thoughts" write up in the General Info forum.

[Radian]

Kojax has changed. Lips is where Kojax used to be, Kojax is where Plan be used to be. There is still some signage up on outside showing Plan be hence confusion on names when it opened. Quality of girls in Kojax is good, prices of drinks is not.

Lips is normal (ish) bar downstairs and a gogo upstairs. It has some of most attractive girls in area, some fuglies too of course. I have only been in Neon Nights twice for combined total of 20 seconds, it looked like a gogo but music was being played so loud I felt dizzy.

Great stuff. Cheers for the information. I remember visiting Kojax in the spot above Lips (iirc the downstairs used to open midweek and the upstairs was the weekend spot). I'll give it a go.

It would appear you have not RTTF.

Before my inquiry, there were 7 posts in the Philippines forum regarding Kojax in the last year, only 2 of which contained what I would call meaningful information.

[Goferring]

Couple of thoughts:

1) She knows someone who works at MP, and worries that word will get back to her fam.

2) She knows persons in the immediate area, like SW or her former gogo workmates, or a cousin is a guard at Filling Station.

Probably. I'm the eternal pessimist and realise she may have also gone nuts one night and been thrown out and blackballed.

Happy spoke pretty well of her so your much more mundane reasons are more likely. I was once given the number of a girl who worked in corporate sales at a decent hotel. She was keen to meet and spend the night but it was an absolute nightmare logistically trying to find a place where girlfriends and exworkmates would not see us.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

She asked me where I was staying and that's when it all went to shit.

SHE JUST WOULD NOT GO TO THE MAKATI PALACE with me. Full stop. Not going to happen.

Couple of thoughts:

1) She knows someone who works at MP, and worries that word will get back to her fam.

2) She knows persons in the immediate area, like SW or her former gogo workmates, or a cousin is a guard at Filling Station.

[WestCoast1]

I'll be in Manila next week and haven't been since 2019. I previously really liked Kojax and saw it mentioned here recently as being open?

Previously reported, but not much info yet about the new Kojax. Thanks Mutley.

I was of the impression that Lips & Neon Nights were legit clubs from YouTube clips / videos. Is that not the case?

As reported by Mutley, Lips is 2 bars, up and downstairs. Plenty of good-looking flesh in both places, gals rotate nightly between the two. Girls can be barfined in both places. Downstairs has a pool table and about 20-25 girls. Upstairs is a dance / performance floor and 50-60 gals, a more gogo-is party bar.

Neon Nights is upstairs and technically a disco (that music is LOUD, with a DJ who yaps). There are several dance troups who perform nightly. Its a gogo bar with girls who BF. On weekends if you want to sit at a table or booth, you rent it with a consumable food / drink fee (typically 3000). Weeknights no fee, just pay for your food / drink ala carte.

It would appear you have not RTTF.

[MrHappyKat]

Makati Day 1:

After 6 days in Angeles at ABC Hotel, I took the ABC SUV Service to Makati (PHP4700 + tip) and got dropped of at Makati Palace on P. Burgos. (See the Angeles Forum for my AC reports.).

Arrived around 2 pm and they let me check in early. I had scheduled two more Sugar Baby dates for my trip and the 1st was that night; dinner in BGC and then back to my room for dessert. We agreed to an allowance of PHP6000, and had a very good time together, wine and dine at the Japanese Food Court by Mango Nut, mutual shower in the room, enthusiastic BBBJ, BBFS, and delightful CIP to finish.

Some notes on brining guests to Makati Palace:

1. Policy is one guest at a time.

2. Your guest must show valid ID at the security station outside the lobby doors.

3. The guard will fill out a form with her name, your room number, and with a space for you sign before she leaves the hotel. I actually took the time to read the form; it's basically a liability release stating that the room renter is responsible for any damage caused by his guest.

4. Before they allow her to leave, Security calls your room for an ok.

She left around 10:30 pm and I cleaned up and decided to do a recon crawl around street. Ended up at Maison, and wow, it certainly is as described! Maybe 2 dozen girls, about half on stage at any time. There are a gaggle of maybe 8 fuglies that swarm every guy who walks in like it's a choregraphed dance number from a 1980's variety show. Grabbed a seat, ordered a drink and tolerated Mamasan and the Pointer Sisters begging me to buy drinks for the Hag Crew. After politely refusing for about 5 minutes, they finally disbursed (to bum-rush the next guy?) and I was approached by 2 smoking babes. They were friendly. VERY friendly. One seemed to be having great fun putting my hands on her tits and under her panties, while the other appeared to be manually measuring me for a new pair of Speedos. I bought each a drink and enjoyed about 30 minutes of fondling fun. I left a little after 11:00 pm and went back to the hotel. Alone. To sleep.

Makati Day 2:

I had the second Sugar Date scheduled at 6 pm at an upscale place in the Grand Hyatt Makati Hotel. The plan was gourmet food, premium wine, and then (if she was into it) back to my room for dessert. We had a very nice time during dinner, talking and laughing for at least an hour after we finished eating. That's when I tried to pull the trigger. She was down and seemed totally into the idea and knew that was required before I would offer any allowance. She asked me where I was staying and that's when it all went to shit.

SHE JUST WOULD NOT GO TO THE MAKATI PALACE with me. Full stop. Not going to happen.

She seemed genuinely sorry. I think she really liked me. (Before you blow off that statement as old fat, loser ego, consider that I have over 10 years of sugar dating experience and my radar is very good.).

I dropped her off at her upscale residence apartment in BGC and headed back to the hotel. After changing into jeans and a polo shirt, I decided to salvage the night (The sildenafil had already taken effect) and went back to Maison. The hotter of the 2 girls form the previous night was giving a very high energy naked lapdance to a guy on the right side benches, so I started looking for alternatives. It took less than 10 minutes to connect with one of the school-girl outfit babes and she wasted no time in getting friendly. We chatted for a while, with her hand stroking me constantly, before I asked her if she'd like to come with me. Once again, I had a girl who insisted on using a condom. Did I spend 8 months reading ISG for nothing?? LOL.

Anyway, I negotiated her back to the path using my well-honed skill set. I just stared at her for 3 full minutes until she said ok. I talked to mamason and off we went. BF-ST PHP4200 (Plus my drink tab), Girl Tip PHP5000. All together it was about the same as the allowance I had agreed for my Sugar date. So I stayed within budget despite the last minute substitution.

Lesson learned: Always have at least one back up plan.

[Dg8787]

AC you will be totally safe as long as you pull the girl from a club. Actually any bar is no problem. Its only if you get the girl online (dating app and the like) that you will have to be vigilant.

In any case it is always a good idea to have a backup plan (getaway plan).

The newbie must have had a target on his back. Twice!

AC bargirls are the way to go. At least a start until you get on to the Friends and Family plan.

No other supply system like AC bars.

[Transporter]

AC you will be totally safe as long as you pull the girl from a club. Actually any bar is no problem. Its only if you get the girl online (dating app and the like) that you will have to be vigilant.

In any case it is always a good idea to have a backup plan (getaway plan).