Makati

[Lance Link]

Dear Trim,

Have been a lurker for years just recently became a mbr as I wanted to post as I am getting ready to return to the P.I.

Anyway, in answer to your question regarding the motel, you went to - if I am correct it is the Victoria Court(picture of a woman with a her finger to her lips, as if going shhh)is their logo.

They are designed just for just that LT and ST. The Victoria Court is a chain and they are pretty much all over Manila and Makati.

My cousin did a marketing report for their corporation a couple year back, and found out that depending on the hour of the day, the demographics of their guests were different. Late Am to Early PM, it is bored housewives and their lovers - Early PM to Early Eve, Husbands and their secretaries, and after hours college kids, and the rest of us mongers! If not the Victoria Court Change, their competition is the Anito Lodges.

They are pretty awesome for our purposes as the are totally discrete.

Lance

[Mookman]

Frequent Flier,
I saw the pics you posted, I'd rate her a 7 almost an 8 on the mookman scale. haha. You can see my previous pictures there to get an idea of my scale or I'll send you a picture of a 10 I met, that I didn't post, just PM me.

Anyway, yeah, the famous mother is sick and needs medicine story. I'm surprised she asked for so much from you, you must be a high roller because the most I've been hit up for is 15,000p.

I think that is the true test of a honey ko. I'm contemplating getting myself one there too and I found a cutie in Cebu. Obviously she's after the money, I guess you can't really help that. But I'm just hoping she's not so greedy, hopefully, about $100 a month is enough with no surprise bills.

[Frequent Flier]

Cheers fellow mongers,

This is just a report of one of my conquest while I was in Makati over the last 40 days. Also have been in Hong Kong. You can read on some of my activities on that board.

On one note. I did end up in the Philippines for longer than 21 days in a row. Evidently this is a violation of their immigration law. I found this out during my departure. They made me pay a 2,520.00 peso fine. That was all.

This girl, Ester (see picture section), I took out of Rascals on P. Burgos Street. I was in there drunk and buying a few girls some drinks. At first she wouldn't go with me. But after consulting with her friend she agreed. I'm not sure why she had to consult with her friend. She is in school and her friend also. I think that they were doing this job only for the money between school semesters. That they only intended to do drinks only. Not to go out. But somehow I got the best of her.

What really caught my attention was when she was standing beside me and I reached around and grabbed her butt, it was one of the best I had ever felt. So I kept begging her to go with me. Take a look at the Pictures, so see if you agree with my vote for one of the top butts in the Philippines.

I really liked this girl and was prepared to take her and make her a steady girl friend. Help her with her studies and other things. My own little Girl Friend in the Philippines. That's right brothers. I was going take for my own and away from you fellow mongers.
She had already quit working because school started and I saw her twice after she left the bar.

But, Oops! She sent me the dreaded text one day with the message "I'm not doing so well." What is wrong? I text her back, knowing what is coming already. She then sends me a text that her mother is sick and in the hospital back in the province and she need to go back to see her. She then says I hate to ask you this, but can I borrow some money.

I ask back "how much do you need" Her response is "50T peso" "You mean you need 50, 000 peso?" I respond. Yes, she says. Well, I have to give it to her for having the nerve to try to take me for so much. Most girls try to ease you into the trap with small amounts to start with. Of course, I play along and tell her that I'm leaving for Hong Kong in two days. That I don't have the money right now, but will send it from Hong Kong. Hope she is still waiting for her pot of gold thinking how lucky she is to find a sucker like me. I'm sure that it was either a Boy Friend or the school mate girl that dances with her that pushed her into this.

The text of death for a Honey Ko.

Well, her little game is your gain as now I will post her picks for your enjoyment. I went through the whole story for you new guys so you'll be aware of the game in case you get played by one of these beautiful girls.

FF

[GoodEnough]

Wasserratte:

Thanks for the post. The "studio" apartment sounds suspiciously like the one that my (mostly live in) girlfriend still maintains, and I suspect it's the standard of luxury for young women here who do not make much money. My lady here earns about $200-$225 a month as a sales manager, and her parents, who do not choose to work, are always after her for money to support them. This seems to be the universal story here.

As you report, a small investment goes a long way and is repaid many times over.

GE

[Pinay Lover]

GE,

You are so right when you say there is not enough jobs for those who graduate from college. Last week, the company I worked for has decided to hire 30-40 new computer techs for expanding the call center. I've been assisting the HR managers all week and sorted out thousands of applicants. So many are qualified but the hardest finding the best among the group. The job pays only P20,000 a month on average compared to what the company would pay someone in the States. About $2,000 per month.

One applicant touched me so bad that if she couldn't get the position, she'd like to be considered for a security guard or elevator girl. It is easy to see why a female would sell herself during desperate times. Also that when looking for applicants, they have to be between the ages of 18 - 25 years old. Age discrimination is still practiced here. If your over 28 to 30, you are considered old in the work force.

[Need Some]

I have found it very easy to pick up bar girls in the 88 internet cafe located between the clubs on P. Burgos street and City Garden Hotel without having to pay the high bar fines. Lots of girls hang out there chatting with there many online boyfriends. Everytime I've gone there, I've found a wide selection to choose from with an easy atmosphere to get to know the girl.

[Wasserratte]

To elaborate on what Good Enough said: I have been dating a single, 27 y/o Makati woman (no kids) who has a B.S. in accounting. She works for a large Brit auditing firm and earns 15,000 pesos (about $270.00) monthly. One day she took me to her little one room "studio" apartment. By any western starndards, her place was a hole-in-the wall, but she though it was the greatest thing because she did not have to share it with another room mate which is the norm there. I send her a $100 a month (5500 pesos), which is like a great finanical windfall to her. For my modest cash investment, I get unlimited, on-demand, bare-back sex and a travel companion whenever I am in the P.I.

Cheers,

Water Rat (aka Wasserratte)

[GoodEnough]

Spidey, Grizzled and Colompuss:

It's true, I have never seen women anywhere else in the world respond with so much warmth and genuine pleasure to just a little kindness. It's also true that this attitude persists regardless of occupation or social class. The fact is however, that most women here (or probably men for that matter) do not live well, even if college educated, for the simple reason that there are so few jobs and those that do exist are poorly paid. It's a universal human tendency to want to live a better, more secure life and these girls cannot be blamed for wanting more than they have. Most of the bar girls I've met here come from poor families, have children from local boyfriends who abandoned them early in their pregnancies, and become GROs because there's nothing else for them to do. Most of them, I think, give most of the money they earn to their families to which they feel an enormous obligation, and most pay for the education of their younger siblings.

The employment situation here is so bad that even university educated young, Filipinas will take any jobs they can get. I have a friend whose maid has a BS in Commerce and the PhP4,000 plus room and board that he pays her is far more than she could earn elsewhere, provided she could even find a job.

For any of you who hae not been here, and contemplate coming, respect is, as Grizzled indicated, the key attitude that determines if you will truly experience Phillipine hospitality or not. This holds true no matter the situation in which you meet someone. A touch of genuine kindness goes a long way here.

GE

[Grizzled]

Colompuss,

Well said my friend. When you monger for a number of years you begin to develop a sixth sense regarding "genuine warmth" vs. "anything for a dollar" kind of attitudes. You are right that in the Philippines, these girls are not the same as girls in other countries. There is something different about them and I'm not a poet so I can't capture it in words. You know what I mean though, I'm sure of that. That is why I always indulge the girls of the Philippines a little more than anywhere else. They are truly a friendly and genuinely happy and beautiful people. Treat them with respect because at the end of the day, isn't that what you want in return?

[Spidey]

If the jobs are in the Philippines, I am sure that many Filipinas, or Filipinos would stay. Due to Economic circumstances, that is not the case.

What the Philippines have is cheap labor, with education enough people. This is what investors/ businessman looks for. The problems with the Filipinos is that they are known to shoot themselves in the foot. What I am saying is that they finally get a okay job, and within a month, or 2, they go on strike! Business people are here to make money, not to get clobbered. So, the businessman closed shop, and what have the people now?

Anyway, to get back on track. Filipinos are not the loyalist people to their country. They will leave in a flash. Not like the Thai. They love their country, and are really not willing to leave.

Sorry about the non-sex report, guys!

[Columpuss]

I have been mongering all over the world for years and have ran into many different situations with many different types of girls, goods and bads. Since my first trip to the PI 3 years ago, I never wanted to go anywhere else because my encounters have been very positive. Most women in the world don't do this sort of thing out of pleasure or to get to go shopping in Hong Kong. As you all know, the folks back in the province or the kid(s) at home are the only reasons. Even the college educated living in these countries would have hard times finding jobs, what chances would these girls have with elementary level of education.

Phillipinas are more real and caring than others. This applies to both bar and regular girls. I have never been married, but like Flying Scotsman, I would see myself marrying one in the future, no question. All I beg of the friends in the WSG community is first, have fun, but leave with some RESPECTS to the girls and with this in mind, you may go back to your nice home or appartment in your country and back to your secure job, but most of these girls go back to their "rat holes" wondering when the next pesos will come. I'm not preaching, just reminding some of us that might forget.

[Pinay Lover]

Just to add to your observation, GE.

Less than 5% of the population is very rich. I'm not talking about those ones that live in Alabang or other gated subdivision. The onn's I'm talking about at the names that you see on Streets and buildings. Zobels, Araneta, Lim, Puyat and others. Only about 30% live above the poverty line. Many of the middle class are struggling just to maintain what they have and live that "image". That image is very important to filipinos.

Filipinas have the advantage over men when it comes to getting a chance to migrate to another country. Most of the men go to the middle east or china to try to earn those dollars as contract workers. Filipinas just have to find that right gentleman or prince to take them away. Not all, filipinas but a lot. If not, many them ladies work overseas as, domestic helpers in Hong Kong or Saudi, GROs in Japan or nurses in London or Canada.

Yes, Juniour. There are more good girls than bad girls. Many would like to start a relationship first before anything else. Its just that the economic situation in the country drives many to do desperate things and look for what the locals call a "gimmik". For one that works in the Makati Business district everyday. I get to see a lot of stunning beautiful everday women in their company uniforms. It then becomes a challenge to pick one up. My only advatage, I'm white (puti or a kano to them).

[GoodEnough]

Juniour:

I don't think it's a question of "good or bad" girls, but a difference in socio-economic orientation and status. You're correct that the strong desire to find someone who can get them the hell out of here is not unique to the Philippines...it's a univeral phenomonon in developing countries. However, the desire to relocate is more prominent here than any place I've ever been, and I have lived in the developing world for 25 years. Last year, the Social Weather Station, which is probably the most reputable of the national polling services here published survey results that indicated more than 70% of Filiponos said, if given the opprotunity, they would emigrate. This is, at least to me, an amazing statistic.

The percentage of young women (or men for that matter) who can afford to go shopping in Singapore or Hong Kong twice a year is extremely limited. Most such young people have been or will be educated in the West, come from very rich familiies and are not representative of the majority of Filipinos.

Most of the women I have met here, including the very middle class ladies with whom I work, are registered with one or the other internet services. Most of them (though not all it's true) are seeking some sort of relationship with an overseas male who will offer them the kind of financial security they are simply unlikely to find here.

GE.

[Member #1005]

GoodEnough

Its true that a majority of girls are looking for some knight in shining armour to take them to away to this romantic vision of a new life, but don’t all girls in every country? But in my experience the majority of girls I know in the Philippines don’t hang out at bars to find them. The sort of girl that does three night a week is not the sort of girl you really want to take home to meet your family. That said, let’s not confuse these girls with the city girls, professional, earning a good wage and go shopping in Hong Kong for long weekends, twice a year, who like to socialize with their friends after a hard day at the office.

In my experience Philippino girls like correspond with guys, by regular mail or e-mail, either way the reality is that there is a greater number of decent girls to be found than let’s saythe bad girls.

[GoodEnough]

I agree with Flying Scotsman. I have many expat friends here who have been happily married to Filipinas for long periods of time. However, most of these relationships involve women from upper middle class families, most of the ladies are well-educated and reasonably well off and are the socio-economic and educational equals of their partners.

This is not the case with lesser educated women from poorer families who may consider a marriage with a foreigner as a ticket out of a difficult situation. That's why (as usual) the Slayer is correct in his advice. Take the time to know not only the woman, but her family. Make sure that the latter is not going to regard you as the golden goose who is going to provide their means of support, and perhaps their visas out of here.

The chances are good, I think, that a lovely-looking, very young woman who hops immediately into bed with an older but richer expat, and within two days claims that she loves him has another agenda. This is not always the case of course, but it frequently is...I have seen it too many times not to think it's true most of the time.I guess the old adage of not thinking with your dick applies strongly here if you're considering some sort of longer term commitment.

Juniour:

Your point is well-taken, but it's equally true that many (certainly not all) of these stunning young women working at mundane jobs for low pay hang out at the clubs two or three nights a week looking for expats who will take them away from their prosaic, low-paid jobs.