Makati

[TjBrazil]

What makes you think I'm retired in the Phils? I would never live in that Cesspool. I'm strictly in and out. Pump and dump. I live in Singapore, a proper first world country which also BTW has a ton of gorgeous (to me because I love Asian) women. And a short cheap flight from Asia's premier mongering destinations. I am retired though. So you were half right.

I started at bourbon street bar all the way to blue parrot and only found attractive girls at plan be. I went in and out of every bar. The amazing thing is you guys say all these bars are about 9 to 10 k all in. No way Jose.

[TjBrazil]

There's no way you went in Lips, Maison, and Plan be and only found 2 girls to meet your requirements, unless you simply aren't into Asian women. If you're not into Asian women why bother coming to the Philippines? It's not as if you didn't know what you were getting into as you plagued the forum with queries for months before your visit. Between those three bars alone there are probably 150 girls on the roster. When I last went into Lips there were easily 60 girls milling around, I probably would have done 58 out of them.

Lips was awful. Not one was my taste. I loved the inside of blue parrot but the girls just weren't attractive. Neon nights had a lot of girls dancing on the floor but there wasn't anything I liked. I liked the setup of NN. It was like a real small dance club with tons of girls with no sex appeal. Oreillys was a horror show. I should have tried Bangkok for a few days before I left or find a Time Machine and go back and bang Raquel Welch.

[Benja85]

Just had a short stint in Makati and hired two girls from Manilacourtesans.com.

The last time I had Mika and Maggie, both were awesome. Accurate pics, good skills, attitude. Generally not a bad option if you don't want to go to the bars.

This time however, I had Sarah and Laura-both were epic failers. Sarah for one has terrible acne; a huge backpiece and a missing tooth. While Laura was dead fish (with a IQ to match) and on her fucking period. Worst of all, the GM Jennifer Sanchez is absolutely no help- she can't make recommendations, suggestions or do anything beyond answering "yes" or "no" questions.

This is my second time coming to PI and honestly I don't see the appeal. Not to be prejudice, but Thailand has far better food, hotels and girls.

Besides being marginally cheaper and speaking broken "English". I don't see why PI gets the love it gets.

Anyways, word of caution when using MC. Seriously, I can now understand why some girls get tossed out the hotel balconies now and then and why these girls get treated like they do in M. E.

[WestCoast1]

What makes you think I'm retired in the Phils? I would never live in that Cesspool.

Ya, its true. Haha but ahem, its MY cesspool.

There's no way you went in Lips, Maison, and Plan be and only found 2 girls to meet your requirements, unless you simply aren't into Asian women. If you're not into Asian women why bother coming to the Philippines?

I think you have found the recipe's key ingredient. There is a clear difference between S American girls that Teej is used to, and Asianas.

It's not as if you didn't know what you were getting into as you plagued the forum with queries for months before your visit.

And again you hit a key ingredient. Teej failed to do his due diligence, and paid the price for it. In fact, with his post-visit confession that the pics that we post here are not girls to his liking, he fairly admits he either didn't pay attention, or he did pay attention and ignored the evidence in front of him. More on this lack of due diligence among newbs later.

Between those three bars alone there are probably 150 girls on the roster. When I last went into Lips there were easily 60 girls milling around, I probably would have done 58 out of them.

I like the lineup at Lips the best. 60 girls is typical, and they get that many within an hour of opening. Lips has not only has 60+ girls (upstairs, and about 20 downstairs), IMHO they have the highest percentage of thin girls. Notice I did not say 'stunners' or 'lookers', or 'shapely', or such, as 'thin' is easier to defend. To defend Teej a bit, he (and many men) prefer girls with a more curvey figure, a slightly wider ass and / or hips, who retains a skinny waist, and then large rack. This would be more typical of Latinas, S American, or Russian girls, and for the most part applies less to Asian ladies. A matter of perspective.

While M81 might like 58 of 60, on one of my last few waltzes thru Lips, of about the same number of girls, I saw: 4 chubs, 8-10 fugly (not chubby, but not attractive to me due to age or other issue), leaving about 45 that were YES (mostly '7' spinners with a few 8's there also) for me. Just guessing that my 8's might not be acceptable as a YES girl for Teej (not curvy enough).

[WestCoast1]

I can't believe I found it again. Don't know this creator but it's a story of a first timer going to a Burgos gogo bar. You can start at 2:35. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeIjR5af9_A.

Great. Thanks BB, I watched it. More coming on this later.

Thanks G and WC. My next trip is between PI and Jakarta now. Clearly Jakarta is cheaper and I don't need to tell anyone has beautiful girls as well but I really want to try something new even if that means spending more on current market rates.

Welcome. Jakarta is great, with hotter girls (fewer chubs, and more like Thailand). You are already on good footing.

I'm a beginner here. Which area / streets are these street girls located? I like to see everything when I go to a new place.

SW in Makati are along P Burgos St, in the area of the bars. Starting across the street from Maison (Burgos corner Badajos Streets) and Citadel Residence, near the 7-11. Further up Burgos, is another gaggle in front of Makati Palace Hotel and Plan be bar (Burgos corner Durban St). Across the street at the same intersection will be more, in front of Durban Hotel. Up Burgos another half block will be another gaggle next to the old Go Bananas, now an unoccupied building next door to Nautica gogo bar.

Use Google maps for all of that. See pics. Single-tipped arrows are bar or hotel locations. Double-tipped arrows are where the ladies congregate. Caution: LadyBoy Alert in ALL AREAS (no vlogger can help you with this).

[Banana Boi]

BB: What video?

I can't believe I found it again. Don't know this creator but it's a story of a first timer going to a Burgos gogo bar. You can start at 2:35. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeIjR5af9_A.

if in Burgos (not in AC), her agreeing to ST with you might NOT change her tip request amount. It might be gringo thinking that if she wants p5000 tip for LT (w /2 pops), that she should logically be willing to reduce that tip request to p3000 for a ST (w /1 pop). Pinay math is not your math.

Well then she's staying all night and I'll try snoring as loud as I can!

Some bars and girls will not welcome western foreigners at all. Japanese and Korean focused KTVs jump to mind.

I'm not Japanese but I've managed to learn a bit of casual Japanese having spent so much time in Japan in the past couple of years. Do you think I will be able to get through the doors if I can converse in Japanese?

Thanks G and WC. My next trip is between PI and Jakarta now. Clearly Jakarta is cheaper and I don't need to tell anyone has beautiful girls as well but I really want to try something new even if that means spending more on current market rates.

You can get a street girl for 1500 Peso (30 bucks)

I'm a beginner here. Which area / streets are these street girls located? I like to see everything when I go to a new place.

[Muttley81]

The problem with the street girls was I didn't always know who was a ladyboy and who wasn't. I asked the bouncer what percentage of street girls were Ladyboys and he said 70%. They spend so much money looking like women, I didn't want to take the chance, so I didn't participate. I knew the price on Burgos, but I thought I would find one hot chick, pay the 9 k, and then get her for 100 dollars when she was off, but Burgos bars looked like the walking dead. It was so hard to find anything nice there. Place was a fucking cesspool. I can't believe these bars stay open charging 10 k pesos. How anyone thinks 99% of those girls were worth 180 dollars is shocking. At least go to AC, since the quality is the same, and the number of hookers I saw in such a small space was something I have never experienced in 20 years of mongering. At 4 or 5 k in AC, start early, and I guess it could be a good deal. You have to bounce in and out of every bar tho to find a gem, but it's so humid you're ready to go back to your hotel and shower after 15 minutes. Enjoy your retirement in the Phils. LOL.

There's no way you went in Lips, Maison, and Plan be and only found 2 girls to meet your requirements, unless you simply aren't into Asian women. If you're not into Asian women why bother coming to the Philippines? It's not as if you didn't know what you were getting into as you plagued the forum with queries for months before your visit. Between those three bars alone there are probably 150 girls on the roster. When I last went into Lips there were easily 60 girls milling around, I probably would have done 58 out of them.

[Expat American]

Enjoy your retirement in the Phils. LOL.

What makes you think I'm retired in the Phils? I would never live in that Cesspool. I'm strictly in and out. Pump and dump. I live in Singapore, a proper first world country which also BTW has a ton of gorgeous (to me because I love Asian) women. And a short cheap flight from Asia's premier mongering destinations. I am retired though. So you were half right.

[GreenBud]

To contrast the AC system. If the barfine is p5000, and the girl agrees to barfine with you, your bar chit will show p750 drinks + p5000 EWR, total p5750. There is no tip discussed in the bar (unless you'd like to discuss one with her, which would thrill her). You pay the bill of p5750 to the bar while she is changing into her street clothes. After her service to you, when she departs, usually in the morning (unless you specified ST -- which she will probably like), you don't have to tip her anything. Unless you want to. Many guys tip for good service. However its not required (unless previously discussed with her).

In Angeles, if you don't tip the girl afterwards, she will think you are a cheap charlie. And she probably will talk shit about you with the other girls.

The girls should be happy with 500 pesos.

Also, you should tip your waitresses. They all make below minimum wage. They rely on their tips. Don't be like the Koreans. The consensus is that they are the worst tippers. Some even take the change. Of course some Koreans are extremely generous. Overall consensus, is that the Americans are the best tippers (for the waitresses).

For the girl's tips, I hear conflicting stories about the Korean tips. IMO, it seems Koreans are not better tippers than the Americans; probably the same.

[WestCoast1]

At WC1: Your post reads as if the 5000 is paid upfront. At BB: Just to clarify for you and others, the girls will want to confirm how much they will receive before leaving the bar. Her payment is made after services are rendered in the punters room.

@WC Yes I read it that you actually had to pay the 5000 up front, not just agree to a price. Even in Thailand you have to agree to a price now. There is no more Up to You. That went away around 2016.

Good catch gents. More on this later *.

I prefer ST. I prefer to sleep alone. I like to go to a bar, feel up a few girls and take home the one I feel I will have the most fun with. I have no problem each night buying multiple lady drinks at each bar to find the right girl.

Then gogo bars are definitely for you. Caveat: As to looks / attractiveness, please also consider TjBrazil's recent post.

I know a few guys with lots of PI experience but I'm not sure they've gone post COVID. Also know a fellow ISG guy who lives in AC so I will be leaning on him for info when I get to AC.

That's the best advice. He will know the ins / outs of the situation, and can possibly point you to his previous better performers in this or that bar.

Just want to clarify still. Are there lots of girls who won't do ST or LT with guys like I saw in the video? It's one thing that really turned me off about PP.

BB: What video? I just looked thru the first two pages of the Makati thread, I don't see one. You weren't specific in your LT / ST question. Were you talking about AC or Burgos? In AC there is no tip needed; in Burgos its required. Since this is the Makati thread, I will assume Burgos bars. Here is a piece of advice that should help in any bar: For any girl you are thinking of barfining, specify that you want ST (as that is your desire). No girl will complain about not having to spend the entire night and giving a morning pop with you. However, if in Burgos (not in AC), her agreeing to ST with you might NOT change her tip request amount. It might be gringo thinking that if she wants p5000 tip for LT (w /2 pops), that she should logically be willing to reduce that tip request to p3000 for a ST (w /1 pop). Pinay math is not your math. There is a strong girlie stigma about not departing the bar without the minimum agreed tip amount. Making such an argument with her in the bar will get you: Nowhere.

* The Burgos tip. You aren't required to pay it until she is ready to depart your place after the agreed-upon service (s). Usually this is in the morning. However, you must negotiate it in advance, in the bar that night, with the girl, before she will agree to barfine with you. To depart the bar, the bar will add the barfine amount to your drink slip. Besides your drinks, the chit will read EWR p3900 -- Early Work Release -- and there will be a total. For example, if your drinks were p750, and the EWR is p3900, your chit will read total p4650. The tip request from the girl does not show on the chit (however, she may quietly tell the mama the amount before departing the bar). You pay the bar p4650 while the girl is changing into her street clothes. You depart with the girl, spend your time, she does what she agreed to, and in the morning as she is ready to depart your place you hand her the p5000 pre-negotiated tip. Total cost: p9650 (about $180 USD).

To contrast the AC system. If the barfine is p5000, and the girl agrees to barfine with you, your bar chit will show p750 drinks + p5000 EWR, total p5750. There is no tip discussed in the bar (unless you'd like to discuss one with her, which would thrill her). You pay the bill of p5750 to the bar while she is changing into her street clothes. After her service to you, when she departs, usually in the morning (unless you specified ST -- which she will probably like), you don't have to tip her anything. Unless you want to. Many guys tip for good service. However its not required (unless previously discussed with her). She will get her cut from the barfine EWR later (most bars, its about 1/2 the EWR amount). Total cost to you is p5750 (considerably less than Burgos). Again, if ST is desired by you, tell the girl in the bar before you agree to barfine her.

More coming on this topic later. WC.

[Goferring]

Just want to clarify still. Are there lots of girls who won't do ST or LT with guys like I saw in the video? It's one thing that really turned me off about PP.

There are bars and girls all over Makati who cater to all types of customers and requests. Not trying to be pedantic or split hairs but:

Some bars and girls will not welcome western foreigners at all. Japanese and Korean focused KTVs jump to mind. I'm not aware of anywhere along Burgos nor the westerner haunts that fits in here.

Few girls will not accept a ST. Good girls with a group of friends in a club or maybe she just doesn't like how I look, smell, or pay.

Some girls will not accept a LT. See the earlier reasons.

All of the above happen but I wouldn't call it common. Of course, this assumes you are not too offensive and are happy to pay market rates.

Remember that very, very few girls are indentured or have to accept all offers presented.

Substitutes are readily available to replace any that do refuse your offer. Don't sweat it too much.

Enjoy. G.

PS. I should have added that I have also had girls who cannot be seen in public going with someone lest Daddy or a cousin get word of it. They will, however, discretely give their number and meet in private later. I've had that many times.

G

[TjBrazil]

Thats just silly. You can sleep with Filipinas for free with the slightest game. You can get a street girl for 1500 Peso (30 bucks). You can sleep with them in your own country. And again, whining about lack of curves on Asian women is just ignorant of basic genetic traits. Even so Filipinas are more curvy than say Chinese or Japanese women. So you went to Phils, it wasnt your thing. Thats cool. But Burgos bar girls are one of the most expensive ways to get laid. Anyone who did the slightest research before going knew the price. I find it interesting that you complain about things thart you should have easily known before coming.

The problem with the street girls was I didn't always know who was a ladyboy and who wasn't. I asked the bouncer what percentage of street girls were Ladyboys and he said 70%. They spend so much money looking like women, I didn't want to take the chance, so I didn't participate. I knew the price on Burgos, but I thought I would find one hot chick, pay the 9 k, and then get her for 100 dollars when she was off, but Burgos bars looked like the walking dead. It was so hard to find anything nice there. Place was a fucking cesspool. I can't believe these bars stay open charging 10 k pesos. How anyone thinks 99% of those girls were worth 180 dollars is shocking. At least go to AC, since the quality is the same, and the number of hookers I saw in such a small space was something I have never experienced in 20 years of mongering. At 4 or 5 k in AC, start early, and I guess it could be a good deal. You have to bounce in and out of every bar tho to find a gem, but it's so humid you're ready to go back to your hotel and shower after 15 minutes. Enjoy your retirement in the Phils. LOL.

[Banana Boi]

At WC1: Your post reads as if the 5000 is paid upfront.

@WC Yes I read it that you actually had to pay the 5000 up front, not just agree to a price. Even in Thailand you have to agree to a price now. There is no more Up to You. That went away around 2016.

@Gof @WC Thanks always for your useful information.

I prefer ST. I prefer to sleep alone. I like to go to a bar, feel up a few girls and take home the one I feel I will have the most fun with. I have no problem each night buying multiple lady drinks at each bar to find the right girl.

I know a few guys with lots of PI experience but I'm not sure they've gone post COVID. Also know a fellow ISG guy who lives in AC so I will be leaning on him for info when I get to AC.

Just want to clarify still. Are there lots of girls who won't do ST or LT with guys like I saw in the video? It's one thing that really turned me off about PP.

[Expat American]

The only reason I took the girl out of plan be and paid 9 k was so I can say I slept with a Filipina. She was attractive but not a lot of curves. Another reason to avoid Manila is the price. Makati isn't worth 10 k, ac is cheap but the girls there aren't worth 5 k. The whole mongering lifestythere is a shit show. Every girl should be 50 bucks IMHO.

Thats just silly. You can sleep with Filipinas for free with the slightest game. You can get a street girl for 1500 Peso (30 bucks). You can sleep with them in your own country. And again, whining about lack of curves on Asian women is just ignorant of basic genetic traits. Even so Filipinas are more curvy than say Chinese or Japanese women. So you went to Phils, it wasnt your thing. Thats cool. But Burgos bar girls are one of the most expensive ways to get laid. Anyone who did the slightest research before going knew the price. I find it interesting that you complain about things thart you should have easily known before coming.

[Goferring]

BB: I didn't understand this part. What did you learn in the last 30 years that was blown by GE's experience?

At WC1: Your post reads as if the 5000 is paid upfront.

At BB: Just to clarify for you and others, the girls will want to confirm how much they will receive before leaving the bar. Her payment is made after services are rendered in the punters room.

Hard core girls who only ST fall into a few groups: hotties who can easily score multiple customers per night to maximise income; kids at home; promised a pinoy husband that she is a cashier. Part timers or online girls may have real job, study or kid commitments.

Burgos girls are known for their easy going attitudes but yes, they too have hardened over the years. Burgos is nowhere near as ST hit and run focussed as Pattaya but some will insist on ST only (see above). Breaking a LT promise is rare as the girl is payed after performance.

Lots of club and bar options within walking distance of Burgos. Poblacion is your keyword to search.

Of course, online is also an option. I'm actually an online fanboi. You will save the barfine but don't expect a hot 19 yo to be less than 5 k LT.

Enjoy. G.