Makati

[Muttley81]

The problem with the street girls was I didn't always know who was a ladyboy and who wasn't. I asked the bouncer what percentage of street girls were Ladyboys and he said 70%. They spend so much money looking like women, I didn't want to take the chance, so I didn't participate. I knew the price on Burgos, but I thought I would find one hot chick, pay the 9 k, and then get her for 100 dollars when she was off, but Burgos bars looked like the walking dead. It was so hard to find anything nice there. Place was a fucking cesspool. I can't believe these bars stay open charging 10 k pesos. How anyone thinks 99% of those girls were worth 180 dollars is shocking. At least go to AC, since the quality is the same, and the number of hookers I saw in such a small space was something I have never experienced in 20 years of mongering. At 4 or 5 k in AC, start early, and I guess it could be a good deal. You have to bounce in and out of every bar tho to find a gem, but it's so humid you're ready to go back to your hotel and shower after 15 minutes. Enjoy your retirement in the Phils. LOL.

There's no way you went in Lips, Maison, and Plan be and only found 2 girls to meet your requirements, unless you simply aren't into Asian women. If you're not into Asian women why bother coming to the Philippines? It's not as if you didn't know what you were getting into as you plagued the forum with queries for months before your visit. Between those three bars alone there are probably 150 girls on the roster. When I last went into Lips there were easily 60 girls milling around, I probably would have done 58 out of them.

[Expat American]

Enjoy your retirement in the Phils. LOL.

What makes you think I'm retired in the Phils? I would never live in that Cesspool. I'm strictly in and out. Pump and dump. I live in Singapore, a proper first world country which also BTW has a ton of gorgeous (to me because I love Asian) women. And a short cheap flight from Asia's premier mongering destinations. I am retired though. So you were half right.

[GreenBud]

To contrast the AC system. If the barfine is p5000, and the girl agrees to barfine with you, your bar chit will show p750 drinks + p5000 EWR, total p5750. There is no tip discussed in the bar (unless you'd like to discuss one with her, which would thrill her). You pay the bill of p5750 to the bar while she is changing into her street clothes. After her service to you, when she departs, usually in the morning (unless you specified ST -- which she will probably like), you don't have to tip her anything. Unless you want to. Many guys tip for good service. However its not required (unless previously discussed with her).

In Angeles, if you don't tip the girl afterwards, she will think you are a cheap charlie. And she probably will talk shit about you with the other girls.

The girls should be happy with 500 pesos.

Also, you should tip your waitresses. They all make below minimum wage. They rely on their tips. Don't be like the Koreans. The consensus is that they are the worst tippers. Some even take the change. Of course some Koreans are extremely generous. Overall consensus, is that the Americans are the best tippers (for the waitresses).

For the girl's tips, I hear conflicting stories about the Korean tips. IMO, it seems Koreans are not better tippers than the Americans; probably the same.

[WestCoast1]

At WC1: Your post reads as if the 5000 is paid upfront. At BB: Just to clarify for you and others, the girls will want to confirm how much they will receive before leaving the bar. Her payment is made after services are rendered in the punters room.

@WC Yes I read it that you actually had to pay the 5000 up front, not just agree to a price. Even in Thailand you have to agree to a price now. There is no more Up to You. That went away around 2016.

Good catch gents. More on this later *.

I prefer ST. I prefer to sleep alone. I like to go to a bar, feel up a few girls and take home the one I feel I will have the most fun with. I have no problem each night buying multiple lady drinks at each bar to find the right girl.

Then gogo bars are definitely for you. Caveat: As to looks / attractiveness, please also consider TjBrazil's recent post.

I know a few guys with lots of PI experience but I'm not sure they've gone post COVID. Also know a fellow ISG guy who lives in AC so I will be leaning on him for info when I get to AC.

That's the best advice. He will know the ins / outs of the situation, and can possibly point you to his previous better performers in this or that bar.

Just want to clarify still. Are there lots of girls who won't do ST or LT with guys like I saw in the video? It's one thing that really turned me off about PP.

BB: What video? I just looked thru the first two pages of the Makati thread, I don't see one. You weren't specific in your LT / ST question. Were you talking about AC or Burgos? In AC there is no tip needed; in Burgos its required. Since this is the Makati thread, I will assume Burgos bars. Here is a piece of advice that should help in any bar: For any girl you are thinking of barfining, specify that you want ST (as that is your desire). No girl will complain about not having to spend the entire night and giving a morning pop with you. However, if in Burgos (not in AC), her agreeing to ST with you might NOT change her tip request amount. It might be gringo thinking that if she wants p5000 tip for LT (w /2 pops), that she should logically be willing to reduce that tip request to p3000 for a ST (w /1 pop). Pinay math is not your math. There is a strong girlie stigma about not departing the bar without the minimum agreed tip amount. Making such an argument with her in the bar will get you: Nowhere.

* The Burgos tip. You aren't required to pay it until she is ready to depart your place after the agreed-upon service (s). Usually this is in the morning. However, you must negotiate it in advance, in the bar that night, with the girl, before she will agree to barfine with you. To depart the bar, the bar will add the barfine amount to your drink slip. Besides your drinks, the chit will read EWR p3900 -- Early Work Release -- and there will be a total. For example, if your drinks were p750, and the EWR is p3900, your chit will read total p4650. The tip request from the girl does not show on the chit (however, she may quietly tell the mama the amount before departing the bar). You pay the bar p4650 while the girl is changing into her street clothes. You depart with the girl, spend your time, she does what she agreed to, and in the morning as she is ready to depart your place you hand her the p5000 pre-negotiated tip. Total cost: p9650 (about $180 USD).

To contrast the AC system. If the barfine is p5000, and the girl agrees to barfine with you, your bar chit will show p750 drinks + p5000 EWR, total p5750. There is no tip discussed in the bar (unless you'd like to discuss one with her, which would thrill her). You pay the bill of p5750 to the bar while she is changing into her street clothes. After her service to you, when she departs, usually in the morning (unless you specified ST -- which she will probably like), you don't have to tip her anything. Unless you want to. Many guys tip for good service. However its not required (unless previously discussed with her). She will get her cut from the barfine EWR later (most bars, its about 1/2 the EWR amount). Total cost to you is p5750 (considerably less than Burgos). Again, if ST is desired by you, tell the girl in the bar before you agree to barfine her.

More coming on this topic later. WC.

[Goferring]

Just want to clarify still. Are there lots of girls who won't do ST or LT with guys like I saw in the video? It's one thing that really turned me off about PP.

There are bars and girls all over Makati who cater to all types of customers and requests. Not trying to be pedantic or split hairs but:

Some bars and girls will not welcome western foreigners at all. Japanese and Korean focused KTVs jump to mind. I'm not aware of anywhere along Burgos nor the westerner haunts that fits in here.

Few girls will not accept a ST. Good girls with a group of friends in a club or maybe she just doesn't like how I look, smell, or pay.

Some girls will not accept a LT. See the earlier reasons.

All of the above happen but I wouldn't call it common. Of course, this assumes you are not too offensive and are happy to pay market rates.

Remember that very, very few girls are indentured or have to accept all offers presented.

Substitutes are readily available to replace any that do refuse your offer. Don't sweat it too much.

Enjoy. G.

PS. I should have added that I have also had girls who cannot be seen in public going with someone lest Daddy or a cousin get word of it. They will, however, discretely give their number and meet in private later. I've had that many times.

G

[TjBrazil]

Thats just silly. You can sleep with Filipinas for free with the slightest game. You can get a street girl for 1500 Peso (30 bucks). You can sleep with them in your own country. And again, whining about lack of curves on Asian women is just ignorant of basic genetic traits. Even so Filipinas are more curvy than say Chinese or Japanese women. So you went to Phils, it wasnt your thing. Thats cool. But Burgos bar girls are one of the most expensive ways to get laid. Anyone who did the slightest research before going knew the price. I find it interesting that you complain about things thart you should have easily known before coming.

The problem with the street girls was I didn't always know who was a ladyboy and who wasn't. I asked the bouncer what percentage of street girls were Ladyboys and he said 70%. They spend so much money looking like women, I didn't want to take the chance, so I didn't participate. I knew the price on Burgos, but I thought I would find one hot chick, pay the 9 k, and then get her for 100 dollars when she was off, but Burgos bars looked like the walking dead. It was so hard to find anything nice there. Place was a fucking cesspool. I can't believe these bars stay open charging 10 k pesos. How anyone thinks 99% of those girls were worth 180 dollars is shocking. At least go to AC, since the quality is the same, and the number of hookers I saw in such a small space was something I have never experienced in 20 years of mongering. At 4 or 5 k in AC, start early, and I guess it could be a good deal. You have to bounce in and out of every bar tho to find a gem, but it's so humid you're ready to go back to your hotel and shower after 15 minutes. Enjoy your retirement in the Phils. LOL.

[Banana Boi]

At WC1: Your post reads as if the 5000 is paid upfront.

@WC Yes I read it that you actually had to pay the 5000 up front, not just agree to a price. Even in Thailand you have to agree to a price now. There is no more Up to You. That went away around 2016.

@Gof @WC Thanks always for your useful information.

I prefer ST. I prefer to sleep alone. I like to go to a bar, feel up a few girls and take home the one I feel I will have the most fun with. I have no problem each night buying multiple lady drinks at each bar to find the right girl.

I know a few guys with lots of PI experience but I'm not sure they've gone post COVID. Also know a fellow ISG guy who lives in AC so I will be leaning on him for info when I get to AC.

Just want to clarify still. Are there lots of girls who won't do ST or LT with guys like I saw in the video? It's one thing that really turned me off about PP.

[Expat American]

The only reason I took the girl out of plan be and paid 9 k was so I can say I slept with a Filipina. She was attractive but not a lot of curves. Another reason to avoid Manila is the price. Makati isn't worth 10 k, ac is cheap but the girls there aren't worth 5 k. The whole mongering lifestythere is a shit show. Every girl should be 50 bucks IMHO.

Thats just silly. You can sleep with Filipinas for free with the slightest game. You can get a street girl for 1500 Peso (30 bucks). You can sleep with them in your own country. And again, whining about lack of curves on Asian women is just ignorant of basic genetic traits. Even so Filipinas are more curvy than say Chinese or Japanese women. So you went to Phils, it wasnt your thing. Thats cool. But Burgos bar girls are one of the most expensive ways to get laid. Anyone who did the slightest research before going knew the price. I find it interesting that you complain about things thart you should have easily known before coming.

[Goferring]

BB: I didn't understand this part. What did you learn in the last 30 years that was blown by GE's experience?

At WC1: Your post reads as if the 5000 is paid upfront.

At BB: Just to clarify for you and others, the girls will want to confirm how much they will receive before leaving the bar. Her payment is made after services are rendered in the punters room.

Hard core girls who only ST fall into a few groups: hotties who can easily score multiple customers per night to maximise income; kids at home; promised a pinoy husband that she is a cashier. Part timers or online girls may have real job, study or kid commitments.

Burgos girls are known for their easy going attitudes but yes, they too have hardened over the years. Burgos is nowhere near as ST hit and run focussed as Pattaya but some will insist on ST only (see above). Breaking a LT promise is rare as the girl is payed after performance.

Lots of club and bar options within walking distance of Burgos. Poblacion is your keyword to search.

Of course, online is also an option. I'm actually an online fanboi. You will save the barfine but don't expect a hot 19 yo to be less than 5 k LT.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

This is what I do in Thailand. Always cut out the middleman. Didn't know some girls leave at 10. What time do they start work if they leave at 10 (ie what's the earliest I can hit the bars and have some quality girls around)?

Each bar has an opening time. If the girls are getting off at 10 pm, the bar probably opens early at 2 pm or 4 pm (6 or 8 hour shift). I think most bars close at 4 am (but differing opening times), so guessing a 6 hour shift. Some bars offer early (happy hour) drink and / or barfine prices. You can find out hours of operation just by asking the door guards as you pass by on the street.

This goes against everything I've learned the past 30 years!

BB: I didn't understand this part. What did you learn in the last 30 years that was blown by GE's experience?

A caution: Each country has its own way of doing things, and going there the first time involves a learning curve that can't be predicted by reading online about it. Guys coming from their norm of German FKK clubs, or the S American system, are sometimes flummoxed as Asia was not quite how they saw it on YT or here in ISG. Take a look at TjBrazil's recent experience. As you are experienced in Thailand, I think you will be fine.

[Banana Boi]

Never been to Makati / AC. About the last place I haven't been to in Asia other than China. Doing my due diligence researching now.

Been scanning some videos of Burgos and came across one where the guy says many of the girls will only have fun in the bars but won't go home with you. Please tell me this isn't so. I hate having to ask if the girl will go LT even before I sit down with her. Most of the time I lose interest or see someone better within the first drink. Is it really true that lots of girls say no to LT on Burgos? He also implied there were other places in Manila much better than Burgos but doesn't say where. Can anyone enlighten me on where these other places are? I only know of LA Cafe in Manila.

Given that some cute girls will get off at 10 o'clock, perhaps it would be possible to go there prior to 10, and make a separate deal with the girl to meet you at your hotel once she gets off work, maybe not for Php3,000 as the one girl there offered my friend and me, but for 4 or 5 K. It would represent a substantial savings.

This is what I do in Thailand. Always cut out the middleman. Didn't know some girls leave at 10. What time do they start work if they leave at 10 (ie what's the earliest I can hit the bars and have some quality girls around)?

Post-covid, almost every girl asks for p5000 tip up front,

This goes against everything I've learned the past 30 years!

[TjBrazil]

Those numbers are correct. The BF at Maison has been p3900 since it opened a year ago, and almost all girls on Burgos ask for p5000 for their tip in the morning. Pre-covid, prices were pretty much the same at all Burgos bars (3500 or 3900), and girls asking tip prices were 4000 on the low end fuglies, and 6000 for hotties. About 80% of girls were asking (pre-covid) on their high end and willing to drop p1 k down on her asked tip amount if you mention it or ask for it. All tip prices are pre-negotiated prior to leaving the bar (no Burgos gogo girl will agree to a barfine without pre-negotiating her tip amount first).

Post-covid, almost every girl asks for p5000 tip up front, and few are willing to negotiate down (as they would pre-covid). There seems to be a management commanded amount of 5000 asked by every girl, including the fuglies that O'Reillys (myself and Muttley reported on back on page 2). Also including Oculto. The mama said to me: "All girls get tip 5000". In the past few months, over 2 one-week trips to Burgos, girls in Nautica, V-8, Coco Rock, Dimples, Plan B, Maison, and Lips (upstairs, 2 hotties and 1 so-so gal on 3 different nights) all said the same magic words: "Five thousand tip". Girls get 1 k from the p3500 or 3900 barfine + p5 k tip, for 6000 (fugly, spinner, or hottie). Its good money for LT / 2-pop, so if you are in the mood to barfine, choose a hottie to buy a drink with, as you will no longer be saving 1 k by choosing a chub-ette.

I also concur with GE's assessment of the girls: There is something there for everyone. Shift change is 10 pm, and all departing girls are required to do several choreographed dances at shift-change before going home. Its odd, but its fun to watch 50 girls all shake-that / shake-that / shake-that ass at the same time.

The result of this is a p9-10 k evening (3900 barfine, 5000 tip, + LD's). This is almost the exact same amount from pre-covid and for the last decade.

I can't believe all the girls on Burgos street ask for 5 k tip to go plus bar fine. I went into every bar on Burgos street and found 2 that were attractive. THATS EVERY BAR. I wouldn't give 4 k plus 5 k tip, if my life depended on it, to 99% of the girls I saw. Most of those girls were 40 dollar chicks to me. The only reason I took the girl out of plan be and paid 9 k was so I can say I slept with a Filipina. She was attractive but not a lot of curves. Another reason to avoid Manila is the price. Makati isn't worth 10 k, ac is cheap but the girls there aren't worth 5 k. The whole mongering lifestythere is a shit show. Every girl should be 50 bucks IMHO.

[GoodEnough]

Those numbers are correct. Shift change is 10 pm

Given that some cute girls will get off at 10 o'clock, perhaps it would be possible to go there prior to 10, and make a separate deal with the girl to meet you at your hotel once she gets off work, maybe not for Php3,000 as the one girl there offered my friend and me, but for 4 or 5 K. It would represent a substantial savings.

GE.

[WestCoast1]

Out of pure curiosity I asked the mamasan about bar fines and girls' financial expectations. She told me that the bar fine is Php3,900 and that the additional charges were up to the girls, but that most expected Php5,000, which for me, who has lived in the country for two decades, seemed absurd. However, I've no idea if the mamasan was telling the truth or making it up as she went along.

Those numbers are correct. The BF at Maison has been p3900 since it opened a year ago, and almost all girls on Burgos ask for p5000 for their tip in the morning. Pre-covid, prices were pretty much the same at all Burgos bars (3500 or 3900), and girls asking tip prices were 4000 on the low end fuglies, and 6000 for hotties. About 80% of girls were asking (pre-covid) on their high end and willing to drop p1 k down on her asked tip amount if you mention it or ask for it. All tip prices are pre-negotiated prior to leaving the bar (no Burgos gogo girl will agree to a barfine without pre-negotiating her tip amount first).

Post-covid, almost every girl asks for p5000 tip up front, and few are willing to negotiate down (as they would pre-covid). There seems to be a management commanded amount of 5000 asked by every girl, including the fuglies that O'Reillys (myself and Muttley reported on back on page 2). Also including Oculto. The mama said to me: "All girls get tip 5000". In the past few months, over 2 one-week trips to Burgos, girls in Nautica, V-8, Coco Rock, Dimples, Plan B, Maison, and Lips (upstairs, 2 hotties and 1 so-so gal on 3 different nights) all said the same magic words: "Five thousand tip". Girls get 1 k from the p3500 or 3900 barfine + p5 k tip, for 6000 (fugly, spinner, or hottie). Its good money for LT / 2-pop, so if you are in the mood to barfine, choose a hottie to buy a drink with, as you will no longer be saving 1 k by choosing a chub-ette.

I also concur with GE's assessment of the girls: There is something there for everyone. Shift change is 10 pm, and all departing girls are required to do several choreographed dances at shift-change before going home. Its odd, but its fun to watch 50 girls all shake-that / shake-that / shake-that ass at the same time.

The result of this is a p9-10 k evening (3900 barfine, 5000 tip, + LD's). This is almost the exact same amount from pre-covid and for the last decade.

[GoodEnough]

A friend and I were on Burgos St. Last night; the first such sojourn for me in maybe 3 years. Given all that's been written here, I wanted to see Maison, more simply to understand some of the hype. I am a (much) older guy and during the last night of what had been a five day reunion with my friend from the US, I had no interest other than satisfying my curiosity. We went early, about 8 o'clock and while, in my judgment, most of the ladies were uninteresting there were a couple of standouts. Our age didn't seem to be a factor as we attracted interest immediately with 5-6 girls dropping by where we were seated. I noticed that the guy at an adjacent table—who appeared to be at least my age—was getting a handjob having bought a single ladies drink.

We had one persistent woman to told us both that her shift was over at 10 PM and she'the be willing to come and spend the night for Php3,000, or about $56. She didn't appeal to either of us, but she was not wholly unattractive. I've since left Manila, but I did suggest to my friend that he revisit the bar at the same time this evening or tomorrow to see if either of the two very attractive women were working a similar shift and might be open to the same deal.

Out of pure curiosity I asked the mamasan about bar fines and girls' financial expectations. She told me that the bar fine is Php3,900 and that the additional charges were up to the girls, but that most expected Php5,000, which for me, who has lived in the country for two decades, seemed absurd. However, I've no idea if the mamasan was telling the truth or making it up as she went along.

Though the music was deafening and, to my ear, didn't actually qualify as music, I did appreciate the lack of hassle and hustle. No one begged for ladies drinks. The girls largely came over when asked aside from the aforementioned five or six who didn't wait for an invitation.

Having come off of two nights in Subic and another two in Angeles, I was not at all tempted, and perhaps would have been incapable. That said there were a couple of extremely pretty young women whom, in years gone by, I would have grabbed quickly.

GE.