Manila

[ShinyCrazy]

Finding girls online to meet now is a 5 minute process: Open Tinder, Pina Love or Date in Asia; message an an attractive girl with in a 10 mile radius that you are in Makati, would she like to meet for fun and what is her WhatsApp; sort and seal the deal immediately on WhatsApp; no need to discuss watching sunsets or your cute puppy; expect her to be late but complete no shows for meeting now are much less likely than agreeing to meet next week or after you arrive next month. Newbie rates are 3 k ST, 5 k LT for a 7+. XLT is mentioned below. Repeats, referrals and 7 minuses are cheaper.

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Thanks for the very helpful feedback! Your description of the process with Pinalove / Tinder is very encouraging. I will almost certainly rely on that for Bohol, and I'll probably give it a try in Makati, too. I am not on a tight budget, so most of my energy will be spent in the Burgos bars. I hear you loud and clear about the flakiness of Filipinas and of the whole country. I had the same experience on my last visit and even posted on ISG about it. When facing flakiness, I like to create a comprehensive list of options so that I can switch plans on the fly when the first venue (or second and third etc.) is a bust.

[Goferring]

Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and Bohol

I commend you in the amount of research and planning that you have done. I just hope you realise that very little of it will eventuate as intended. The Philippines and especially Philippinas are not known for their punctuality and dependability.

Most of your statements are correct. I'll just add the following:

If you still have old numbers, feel free to try them. If the numbers are still active then the girl will still be broke and looking for a cash top up. Repeats are the easiest hookups and don't rule out her having a cousin for you to meet if she's busy.

Finding girls online to meet now is a 5 minute process: Open Tinder, Pina Love or Date in Asia; message an an attractive girl with in a 10 mile radius that you are in Makati, would she like to meet for fun and what is her WhatsApp; sort and seal the deal immediately on WhatsApp; no need to discuss watching sunsets or your cute puppy; expect her to be late but complete no shows for meeting now are much less likely than agreeing to meet next week or after you arrive next month. Newbie rates are 3 k ST, 5 k LT for a 7+. XLT is mentioned below. Repeats, referrals and 7 minuses are cheaper.

All of your requirements from girls are readily available. Only rimming, prostate massage and an overnight stay should be explicitly clarified early on.

A 7 pm start LT will be difficult to find in a gogo or club, though not impossible. Girls at this time will normally be expecting to return to the bar after you for more lady drinks and possibly a second customer. Your payment will have to cover this perceived lost income. Definitely clarify your expectations before leaving.

Your first Burgos cost was the correct one: 3900+tip. 6 k LT is being generous. 15 k all in and you have either had a few drinks or said / done something to have her up her rates.

There are many girls on Pina Love looking to meet at short notice.

Be careful in Greenbelt. 99% of working girls are truly horrific or ladyboys. 99% of the attractive girls are wealthy civilians doing their shopping or meeting friends. You do not want to walk up to one of these and ask for a $50 blowjob.

You left out sneakouts from Burgos or club employees (dancers etc). It's not difficult to get their number in the bar or post session and agree to meet outside work hours. This is often at much reduced rates esp for repeats.

Enjoy but remember to be flexible with your very detailed plans.

Good luck. G.

[ShinyCrazy]

Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and Bohol. I was last in the Philippines prior to COVID, so my personal knowledge is now worthless. I have done everything I can to find fresh info online, including from ISG. As I mentioned earlier, it is more difficult than I would have expected, particularly finding freelancers online or in person without spending hours and hours and hours. Please provide any criticism or clarifications or insider info.

I am mainly looking for girls 18-25. Do not like fat girls or tattoos or silicone. Best girls for me are innocent and enthusiastic. Prefer independents over agency girls. Prefer cute girl next door to bimbo porn star. Best sessions for me include intense DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CIM, rimming, prostate massage. I mostly like a long session, at least 2 hours and overnight would be nice. I realize one of the big selling points of the Philippines is bareback sex and relatively inexpensive overnight dates. I am a little concerned about the risks of bareback, particularly HIV, so I might try visiting Pulse Clinic for PREP if I decide to indulge in bareback.

My target for girls for LT starting around 7 pm: blow job no condom, finish in the mouth, eating pussy, kissing with tongue, fucking (with or without condom), prostate massage (rimming), 4 pops (one before dinner, two after dinner, one in the morning), and stay until breakfast.

Here is a summary of what I have learned (most of this was copied directly from ISG and other forums and is NOT my personal experience):

TRIP PLANNING:

Sex workers in the Philippines may use local sex phrases on Facebook to get the attention of mongers. Search on Facebook for groups with: klaw, lakad, walker, raket, pok pok, walker pinas, pinaywalk, or legit PSP. Get the GRAB app. Uber does not work in the Philippines. Get the Telegram app and Viber apps. Try to contact some of the massage parlors via Telegram or Viber and ask about full service. There are also Telegram channels with independent girls:

T. me / PinayWalkersV_1.

T. me / PinayWalkersV_2.

In the local forums for spas, like ManilaTonight and HappyBudgetMeal, most of the discussion is in Tagalog. Many reviews also use abbreviations, which I finally figured out: FV (face value), BV (body value), AV (attitude value), MV (massage value). The nice hotels / condos that are girl-friendly. Peninsula, City Garden Grand, Rockwell Condos, Gramercy Residences.

PREP clinic. Prep Pulse Clinic open 9-6 p every day, Unit 202 Plaza 100 building, VA Rufino corner Dell Rosa Street, Legaspi Village Makati.

Websites that cover sex work in the Philippines. PhilippinesAddicts (general chatty forum of expats), SingleManForum (forum mostly for Vietnam, but with Philippine section), HappyBudgetMeal (spa forum), PinayWalkersLounge (pay site for locals looking for independents but it requires payment in local e-currency), ManilaTonight (spa forum).

BURGOS STREET GOGO BARS:

The red-light district of Manila with multiple gogo-type bars, although very limited nudity compared to Thailand. Best bars mentioned currently include Lips, Maison, V8, Dimples, and Neon Nights. Maison is most likely to allow in-bar action, like fingering. In the past, Kojak and PlanB were considered the best. Burgos bars are the easiest and most expensive option for a short trip. The Burgos tip. You aren't required to pay it until she is ready to depart your place after the agreed-upon service (s). Usually this is in the morning. However, you must negotiate it in advance, in the bar that night, with the girl, before she will agree to barfine with you. To depart the bar, the bar will add the barfine amount to your drink slip. Besides your drinks, the chit will read EWR p3900 -- Early Work Release -- and there will be a total. For example, if your drinks were p750, and the EWR is p3900, your chit will read total p4650. The tip request from the girl does not show on the chit (however, she may quietly tell the mama the amount before departing the bar). You pay the bar p4650 while the girl is changing into her street clothes. You depart with the girl, spend your time, she does what she agreed to, and in the morning as she is ready to depart your place you hand her the p5000 pre-negotiated tip. Total cost: p9650 (about $180 USD). Some Burgos bars open early (around 2 pm) and have lower barfines at that time.

STREET GIRLS IN BURGOS:

You shouldn't really pay them more than 1,000 Pesos, maximum 1,500 Pesos. And also be careful when taking them back to your room. The current price for an 8 (and maybe even a 9) from clubs like Lips and Plan be on Burgos St is around P10,000 for short time and 15,000 for overnight.

KTVs:

Weird Korean or Japanese karaoke-style establishments that you visit with a group of guys, buy a lot of alcohol, flirt with young pretty girls and hope that you can leave with her phone number. No clear barfine and no guarantee of even having sex ever. No sex on premises.

ONLINE INDEPENDENTS:

The largest website is Pinalove, but full of naive girls looking for long term boyfriends and may take weeks of work for one date. Pricing can range from 2 K overnight, but most pretty girls are 4-5 K overnight. Since most of these options are slow fishing expeditions, the only ones that might work for a short trip would be Tinder or Locanto.

Other options:

https://www.locanto.ph/manila/Escorts/20905/

https://www.locanto.ph/manila/Women-...for-Men/20702/

https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_522...E-TONIGHT.html

TanTan (asian version of Tinder).

Facebook groups.

DateinAsia.

ESCORT SERVICES:

*Manila Courtesans. One of the best escort services in Manila. Considered reliable. Point and shoot. No clear list of services on their website, unlike some of the other escort services. Avoids barfine, but otherwise expensive. Pricing is best VFM for overnight (basically twice the 2 hour rate gets you 12 hours). Not sure how many pops that includes. I will have to check with them via WhatsApp. Girls with positive reports include Mika, Maggie, Yuki, Raya, Jasmine. AVOID Sarah and Laura.

https://manilacourtesans.com

*Manila Asian Escort. Looks very promising and has clear details of services, including who performs bareback and rimming.

https://www.manilaasianescortph.com

*Smooci. Mix of independents and escort service girls. Generally considered reliable. Pricing on Smooci is high for independents.

www.smooci.com

*Other escort websites:

https://naughtymanila.com

https://courtesanhub.com

https://escortmanila.info

This girl is apparently a freak and a dynamo:

https://www.mysticalflower.net

Discreet Massage. Very popular on HappyBudgetMeal. Over 400 pages of posts about this escort service.

VIBER / WHATSAPP / TELEGRAM: listed on HappyBudgetMeal.

FULL SERVICE SEX SPAS NEAR BURGOS:

Starfleet. Full service, similar to Thai fishbowl soapies. #91 Audrey is best rimmer in the city. According to HappyBudgetMeal, they follow "Standard rules for extra service massage parlors. No kissing. No DATY. No BBBJ. No raw sex. No anal. Everything else, YMMV. ".

FULL SERVICE SEX SPAS ELSEWHERE IN MANILA (mostly Quezon City):

These are discussed on Manila Tonight and appear to be full service, Thai soapy-style establishments. The parlors with the most comments (in order) are: Classique, White House, SunriseFrictio.

*White House MP. Girls with good reviews are Mico, Jessa, Bea, Colleen, Vishia, Summer, Jade, Paula, Sakura, Celine, Mira, Des and Gabb. Open 10 am-4 am. 195 Garage, Sct. Chuatoco St, Diliman, Quezon City.

*Frictio Health Spa MP. Girls with good reviews are Kristine and Chelsea. Open 10 am-5 am. 1178 Quezon Ave, Diliman, Quezon City.

*Classique MP. Girls with good reviews are Jhardine, Mariz, Meghan, and Zebby. Open 7 pm-3 am. 1012 Quezon Ave, Diliman, Quezon City.

HAPPY ENDING HANDJOB MASSAGE NEAR BURGOS:

Abacca has been discussed many times on ISG. These are the spas that received the most comments on the local board in order: Encanta, La Bella, San Shai, and Kemosabe.

*Abacca Spa. Only handjobs, but famous for their prostate massage. Located on 2nd floor of RJEM Building, 1132 Antipolo Street, Poblacion, Makati. 1300 for one therapist for 80 minutes or 2000 for two therapists for 90 minutes. Open 24 hours. Reservations "a must". Currently, it appears that the first floor is a coffeehouse called "Fresh Grinds Cafe". I can see why Abacca is popular: It is only a 15 minute walk from Burgos.

*Encanta Spa (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Telegram #) Intersection of Zapiro and Diamante Street, San Andres Bukid, Sta. Ana Manila WAZE: Four Aces Placement and General Services. Open 24/7. Some of the girls seem to offer full service. The regular therapist rate is 1500 for nuru plus entrance. The minimum tip is 1000. I take that to mean massage with handjob ending for a total of 2500. The "all in" rate ranges from 4500 for a regular therapist to 7000 for one of the best therapists. The 7000 rate includes 2 pops. Although it was not clear what "all in" means, I am guessing that means full service. Too far to walk from Burgos. 20 minutes in Grab.

*La Bella Spa (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Telegram #) Victoria De Makati Condo at the intersection of Washington and De La Rosa Street, second Floor unit 202. Open 24/7. Handjob with massage one therapist 1200 for 75 minutes. 35 minute walk from Burgos or 15 minute Grab.

*San Shai Spa, Kendra Branch (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Viber#) Jaka Center, Urban Street, Chino Roces Avenue, Makati.

*San Shai Spa, Legaspi Branch (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Viber#) LPL Suites, Legaspi Street, Legaspi Village, Makati.

25 minute walk from Burgos.

FREELANCER AT NIGHT:

Royal Nightclub near Burgos mainly active after midnight 3 K ST 5 K LT (girls will try to ask 10 K).

FREELANCERS DURING THE DAY: Greenbelt Mall. There was a coffeeshop called Cafe Havana that had freelancers waiting nearby. Cafe Havana has closed since COVID, but apparently, there are some freelancers still in the area.

OUTCALL PROSTATE MASSAGE:

https://manilamassage.org

http://makatimassage.net/

My overall plan for MANILA:

First day: Drop bags off at hotel, then go to Abacca Spa and go to Pulse clinic for PREP until hotel room is ready, then first evening at Burgos clubs, mainly Lips, Maison.

Daytime activity: Tourism, Look for freelancers at Greenbelt Mall area, White House MP or Friction MP, Encanta Spa or Abacca Spa.

Nighttime activity: Burgos bars including Lips, Maison, Neon Nights, V8 and Dimples, Manila Courtesans or Manila Asian Escorts for 12 hour overnight date.

My overall plan for BOHOL:

Best options are apparently Tinder, Facebook walker groups, Locanto, and local bars on Alona Beach. From girls working in the bars or restaurants, I will plan to get girls numbers for contact the next day or when the shift ends. Also plan to look in the "Thai" massage places for leads.

https://www.locanto.ph/bohol/Escorts/20905/

[ShinyCrazy]

Have you researched Casas? .

I did not know about casas in Manila. I have visited many casas in the Spanish speaking world. Usually there is a website where they all advertise discreetly and you send them a WhatsApp message for pics and prices and the specific directions (apartment number etc). Reasonably safe in Spain. Sounds a little too sketchy for Manila.

[Goferring]

Thanks for the detailed post. If info about the mega-city of Manila is lacking, this obviously explains why I can barely find a whisper about Bohol. At least I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one who hasn't cracked the nut. I visited Manila for Burgos mongering before COVID and plan to visit again soon. I'll post my pre-trip plans soon and hope for any constructive comments.

Many visitors to Manila have had analysis paralysis lately and gone away severely disappointed when their precisely planned targets and results haven't materialised.

As you touched on, and many others have commented, the scene in PI changes on a night by night basis and what was great last visit may or may not be tonight.

As there are so many options in Manila, I've found the best bet is to just go out and explore. Have an idea of what you want but don't lock yourself down to one path. Many times I have accidently stumbled upon a great night out.

Have you researched Casas? They sound like the local equivalent of what you're describing. They don't have an internet directory as local guys and taxis already know where they are and services offered. Assuming they survived COVID, then you will need a local contact as well. That can be as simple as asking a local taxi. Obviously be aware of your own security.

Good luck. G.

[ShinyCrazy]

All of Phils is as you describe. There is no one website. *.

Thanks for the detailed post. If info about the mega-city of Manila is lacking, this obviously explains why I can barely find a whisper about Bohol. At least I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one who hasn't cracked the nut. I visited Manila for Burgos mongering before COVID and plan to visit again soon. I'll post my pre-trip plans soon and hope for any constructive comments.

[GDreams]

And yes, I did scour Philippine Addicts, HappyBudgetMeal, SingleManForum. Maybe PinayWalkerLounge is the magical website I seek, but it requires payment in some local e-currency. Manila is a tough nut to crack beyond the obvious Burgos bars and LA Cafe.

Never been to Burgos or EDSA when it existed. Have been to LA Cafe and dislike it intensely. Saying all of this I have never failed to get a relatively attractive girl at and affordable price who is happy to have BB sex. I have scored from Tinder, Tan Tan, Pina love, Date in Asia and WeChat + a couple of referals. My Sweetspot is 18 - 22 but have done up to 25. I'm in my 60's and my good looks faded some time ago. There is always a girl that needs tuition money, rent money an new phone, baby food, medical money or they just want anonymous sex.

[WestCoast1]

Manila is very odd:

All of Phils is as you describe.

Very expensive bargirls on Burgos, moderately expensive escorts on Manila Courtesans and Smooci, very secretive full service massage places which I have to act like a private detective to find, and no clear website for independent girls. Bizarre. Pinalove is apparently a waste of time, Locanto is outdated. Maybe Facebook "walker" groups or Tinder? Where the heck do the locals look for fresh independents online? Telegram groups? Are the full service massage places a good option? How much are they? It's all mysterious, unlike Thailand or Brazil or pretty much anywhere. Is there a local website for independents or for reviews or for massage parlor advertising? Why is Manila so opaque? I feel like I'm missing the one website that will open the lock.

There is no one website. *.

And yes, I did scour Philippine Addicts, HappyBudgetMeal, SingleManForum. Maybe PinayWalkerLounge is the magical website I seek, but it requires payment in some local e-currency. Manila is a tough nut to crack beyond the obvious Burgos bars and LA Cafe.

I think what you are saying is this (correct me if I am wrong): In Phils, you are having trouble finding info on the Internet (advance of your trip) that is meaningful to what you are seeking. Yes?

You are spot on. The entire country can be viewed that way. There might be any number of reasons, including: A public love / hate relationship with sex; legal peril for prostitution and concubinage; porn being illegal; disdain and legal peril of abortion (medical professionals face up to 6 years in prison, and might call the police on a woman who requests an abortion or if they even think the woman had an abortion in the past); and the countries you mentioned are not as heavily Catholic as Philippines is. And further: There is little in the culture that requires clarity of public information (much in the same way that Spanish time allows you to ignore punctuality). There might be other reasons also.

* A number of things are very unclear in Philippines. Addresses to start (your hotel or other places might have no fixed address, making them hard to find by your taxi driver; its best to know a nearby landmark to guide the driver to your hotel's area). Government rules and regulations: You show up at a government office to find that its closed this week for an unofficial holiday (while showing open on Google Maps); or that you must have previously obtained documents L and M in order to do your biz there, but nobody told you that when you called them on the phone to inquire (nor is it listed on their website). Businesses close around holidays (or for no apparent reason), sometimes a week or so in advance and a week after, with no known publication and no way for you to know they are closed until you arrive (they might not have a phone number for you to call). A local person near the closed business might say something like this to you: "You try back next week, Tuesday or Wednesday maybe". Maybe? Why not Monday? "Not sure when they will reopen. They will reopen when their employees come back". Isn't there a set day or date for the return? "Hahahaha". Your local McDonalds stops serving a particular food (say, french fries, or coffee); you ask the manager when they will serve it again, as its been 3 weeks. "I don't know. Never maybe". Shouldn't you remove it from the menu? "What?" or "Corporate won't allow me to tell the customers we don't serving that anymore". When a business is about to close temporarily (or forever), or change its business hours, the manager will not think (or he might not have access to) to change the hours or such in Google maps. In fact during Covid, when 90%+ of all businesses were closed (for months and months), not one of the Google Maps businesses in my city showed they were closed. You show up at the business because Maps shows it open, to find it closed. A local says to you: "They closed 8 months ago". Hungry, you find a Jollibee on the Map, a pleasant 300 m from your hotel. You ask at the front desk of your hotel if there is a Jollibee at that location on your map, and they confirm it for you. You walk or taxi to the Jollibee, to discover it has completely burned to the ground. A local tells you it burned 7 months ago. Eight months ago you had a good massage rub-and-tug at a location, and you see on Maps that its open 24 hours. You taxi back today and find its been closed for 5 months or more. Its a holiday (official or not), and traffic is bad near the schools. You ask the locals if the schools are closed for today. Half will say yes, half will say no. You ask a gaggle of police (standing outside at a substation) the same question, and half will say yes and half will say no. The schools are in fact closed, but there is no notice for that on their website (s). You show up at your business, wait in line 20 minutes to make a purchase, to find that they don't accept CC today (but before, yes). When you inquire if maybe they should put up a sign saying the CC / Debit system is down today, they will look at you like YOU are the one from another planet. If you had to wait in line at your local McDonald's in your country for 20 minutes for a burger / fries / coke, only to find out they don't have any burgers today (or this week), you'd be pissed off that they didn't post a sign, right? Not so in Phils, the locals just walk away to find another McDo or Jollibee.

AND SO ON.

We feel your pain. However, I'd like to posit the following, and old guard who live here please weigh in if I am wrong. Information is not only wildly lacking (or its there, but not correct -- misinformation) on the Internet, but also among the population. In your case you are looking for sex info. In your previous countries its there on the Internet. In this country its not usually there, and should it be there, you have no way to know if its correct, or current. Also within the culture, its extremely common for businesses to disappoint you with: Business is closed, product unavailability, extremely long wait lines, price change, form of payment non-acceptance, and so on. You would think in the days of FB (pinoy are hooked on FB), slapping up public info about your biz / org would be easy and common. Its easy, but its not common.

My analysis: You, and recently other gents, have made me realize that there is a large pool of foreigners using YT and other sources of info, and either not finding it, or finding misinformation. That's not a surprise here. Phils is a tough nut to crack. Like many of us before you, you will have to come here (if you dare), scout out those massage places on foot (and word of mouth after arrival), and then please post a report here so the gents will know where you found good / bad service. However, to the future gents after you, I must say that such businesses don't advertise much, change locations, and they come in / go out / come back in as businesses regularly. Its possible that you would come here, scout out massage places, not find much you like, and have to resort to Burgos or AC.

The only Holy Grail you will find info here is about Burgos, AC, and LA Cafe. And even then things change between the time you read it and the time you arrive.

[ShinyCrazy]

And yes, I did scour Philippine Addicts, HappyBudgetMeal, SingleManForum. Maybe PinayWalkerLounge is the magical website I seek, but it requires payment in some local e-currency. Manila is a tough nut to crack beyond the obvious Burgos bars and LA Cafe.

[ShinyCrazy]

I haven't been to the Philippines since before COVID, but there are two places I know of that might interest you. One is "Starfleet", which is a fishbowl type place, which masquerades as "massage", but is mostly full service. The other is Abacca in Makati, which is a classic massage with happy ending, only hand job no BJ or full service. Their specialty is prostate massage along with the hand job. If others out there can pipe up and mention more, especially in the Makati area, I would be grateful. Heading there soon.

So no one has piped up with info, so I'll add what I've learned from the Internet, not from personal experience:

There are full service massage places and a website called Manila Tonight, which has massage parlors reviews, but they are mostly in Tagalog and many or most of the massage places are merely hand job only.

From what I was able to tease out, it appears that White House, SunriseFrictio, and Classique are considered the best, but you can't even find them readily on Google maps, they don't seem to have websites, and I have no real idea what the pricing and services are. If anyone has more info, I would be happy to hear it.

Manila is very odd: Very expensive bargirls on Burgos, moderately expensive escorts on Manila Courtesans and Smooci, very secretive full service massage places which I have to act like a private detective to find, and no clear website for independent girls. Bizarre. Pinalove is apparently a waste of time, Locanto is outdated. Maybe Facebook "walker" groups or Tinder? Where the heck do the locals look for fresh independents online? Telegram groups? Are the full service massage places a good option? How much are they? It's all mysterious, unlike Thailand or Brazil or pretty much anywhere. Is there a local website for independents or for reviews or for massage parlor advertising? Why is Manila so opaque? I feel like I'm missing the one website that will open the lock.

[ShinyCrazy]

I haven't been to the Philippines since before COVID, but there are two places I know of that might interest you. One is "Starfleet", which is a fishbowl type place, which masquerades as "massage", but is mostly full service. The other is Abacca in Makati, which is a classic massage with happy ending, only hand job no BJ or full service. Their specialty is prostate massage along with the hand job. If others out there can pipe up and mention more, especially in the Makati area, I would be grateful. Heading there soon.

I have recently moved to the Ph (3 months) and one of the things I am missing from my previous countries are massage parlors where you could get HEs or full services. Anything here in Manila area? I have seen numerous ads about services offered in hotel / condo but all of these look dicey from 2 counts: 1. My last experience. Got conned by a 'not a girl' who then had somebody call me up as an agent and ripped more money off me. Fortunately I had met up in one of those book by the hour motels. And 2. Don't want a scene at my condo or get into a situation where it gets embarassing as my work colleagues live in the same condo.

I'm also open to having a regular 'friend' who I can meet up with discreetly but really want to avoid the person coming up and living with me as my GF.

Any suggestions? If anyone has any tried and non scam tested recommendations, will be happy to receive a connect on my DM. Can reciprocate or be a wingman to any of you who have been here for long.

[JeremiahSurd]

I have recently moved to the Ph (3 months) and one of the things I am missing from my previous countries are massage parlors where you could get HEs or full services. Anything here in Manila area? I have seen numerous ads about services offered in hotel / condo but all of these look dicey from 2 counts: 1. My last experience. Got conned by a 'not a girl' who then had somebody call me up as an agent and ripped more money off me. Fortunately I had met up in one of those book by the hour motels. And 2. Don't want a scene at my condo or get into a situation where it gets embarassing as my work colleagues live in the same condo.

I'm also open to having a regular 'friend' who I can meet up with discreetly but really want to avoid the person coming up and living with me as my GF.

Any suggestions? If anyone has any tried and non scam tested recommendations, will be happy to receive a connect on my DM. Can reciprocate or be a wingman to any of you who have been here for long.

[Aml3740]

Jarango: = US $180 for what? To do your plumbing, or to do general maintenance work for a day? Those prices are similar to Western Europe and the problem is the same, that these fat asses think life owes them a living. When you are in the Phils, pay local prices. Burgos girls need a few months back on the farm picking rice and getting bonked for three mangos and a banana..

This is the general complaint about the Burgos bars: They are expensive. However, since its a decades-long profitable enterprise, there is a solid market for it. Like Goferring, for the sake of convenience, I have on occasion just walked into a Burgos bar where I know the girls, and barfined one on the spur of the moment, paid the additional (FL would have been cheaper), just for convenience. You were sure at the time of getting an evening and morning bonk (as the morning tip is for LT and good service). Could have gotten that also for half the price (or less) if had I wanted to put in that effort.

Also the Burgos bars are the go-to organization for gents who don't want to have to put effort into the thing. They are not interested in the Tinder process of getting a girl on cam and interviewing several until they find one they like, then meeting her for coffee in order to decide if she is worth it. In a gogo, you skip the video and coffee sessions as the girl is on display in front of you in a bikini, her tummy and wares already on display. Also some warriors make the case here that the bar scene (pub crawl, perving, desire to chat up / feel up ladies over LD's -- regardless of whether they barfine in that particular bar) really IS their thing.

I'm not making the case that anyone should utilize the gogos there. I am making the case that many warriors literally think of gogos as the defining thing to do in town. They have the money, and older / fugly SW (and the online meet process) are not for them. As such, $180 USD is not out of line. If he's in town for 2 weeks, he might well barfine 10 of the 14 nights (even a good vaxxing doctor like myself must have a rest day here and there), or he might barfine 7 nights and Tinder 3 nights. Its just another option.

As in every large city anywhere, low-end FL for 2000. Dating site or Tinder FL PYT's available for p3000-5000. Gogo girls p10 k. Smoochi and escort girls for more. And much higher-end FL available for multiples of p10 k per hour (even rich Pinoy pay that for high-end private service). Everything is there, but warriors are usually going for the easiest catch for their budget. For cheap-charlies that is Burgos SW, and for gents with a budget the easiest convenient place is a gogo bar.

I've spent a few weeks in Manila on my way to the province several times. I'm not a bar guy, so I've seen escorts or freelancers on Pinalove. Manila Courtesans has two hours from 4. 5 k and up, with most being 5-7 k for two hours and double for overnight. Most girls on Pinalove that are freelancers are 3-4 k short time and 4-6 k overnight. But, if you play it right, the ones on dating websites can turn into a regular thing, and even branch out from there. Coming in for the holidays, I'll be seeing my regular from pinalove (who says she is my GF hehehe) for two days, no discussion of money. Leaving a few weeks later, I'm spending two days with her best friend from back home in Mindanao who messaged me, and she is a hot one! I've been waiting for the usual emergency that it seems like all pinay have, but it's been a month talking to her and nothing. Just asked if I would buy her plane ticket for those two days (a weekend she is not working). 6 k for two days and nights isn't bad. Life is good here!

[FuriousGeorge]

Prices are set by what the market will bear. Complaining about prices is like complaining about the weather. If it bothers you, you have to move on to another market.

When / if I retire in Phils, I will never barfine again. I'll have the time to settle into a rotation of non-pros. But until then, you pay market prices.

[WestCoast1]

It was an interesting evening followed by overpriced Burgos girls wanting 10 k. Manila is a fun place for a short visit but I sure wouldn't want to live there.

Jarango: = US $180 for what? To do your plumbing, or to do general maintenance work for a day? Those prices are similar to Western Europe and the problem is the same, that these fat asses think life owes them a living. When you are in the Phils, pay local prices. Burgos girls need a few months back on the farm picking rice and getting bonked for three mangos and a banana..

This is the general complaint about the Burgos bars: They are expensive. However, since its a decades-long profitable enterprise, there is a solid market for it. Like Goferring, for the sake of convenience, I have on occasion just walked into a Burgos bar where I know the girls, and barfined one on the spur of the moment, paid the additional (FL would have been cheaper), just for convenience. You were sure at the time of getting an evening and morning bonk (as the morning tip is for LT and good service). Could have gotten that also for half the price (or less) if had I wanted to put in that effort.

Also the Burgos bars are the go-to organization for gents who don't want to have to put effort into the thing. They are not interested in the Tinder process of getting a girl on cam and interviewing several until they find one they like, then meeting her for coffee in order to decide if she is worth it. In a gogo, you skip the video and coffee sessions as the girl is on display in front of you in a bikini, her tummy and wares already on display. Also some warriors make the case here that the bar scene (pub crawl, perving, desire to chat up / feel up ladies over LD's -- regardless of whether they barfine in that particular bar) really IS their thing.

I'm not making the case that anyone should utilize the gogos there. I am making the case that many warriors literally think of gogos as the defining thing to do in town. They have the money, and older / fugly SW (and the online meet process) are not for them. As such, $180 USD is not out of line. If he's in town for 2 weeks, he might well barfine 10 of the 14 nights (even a good vaxxing doctor like myself must have a rest day here and there), or he might barfine 7 nights and Tinder 3 nights. Its just another option.

As in every large city anywhere, low-end FL for 2000. Dating site or Tinder FL PYT's available for p3000-5000. Gogo girls p10 k. Smoochi and escort girls for more. And much higher-end FL available for multiples of p10 k per hour (even rich Pinoy pay that for high-end private service). Everything is there, but warriors are usually going for the easiest catch for their budget. For cheap-charlies that is Burgos SW, and for gents with a budget the easiest convenient place is a gogo bar.