Manila

[Goferring]

Of course I pay for such things, but isn't that true of any real relationship? I don't have any illusions that the only reasons such a beautiful lady is with me are my good looks and charm. But I find that I much prefer the girlfriend experience to a cold sex-for-cash transaction with some bargirl or unwed mother. If my girl believes that I *might* be the one to bring her to the US and marry her, she's that much more motivated to keep me happy, more so than some girl looking for only short time profit.

RG.

Sure. My reply was point out that the extra room and board can add up to be many times cost to fuck rather than an opinion on your arrangement. Many get surprised at how much extra it does cost to have her around 24/7 especially if taking her to a tourist area.

For the record, I have done the BYO deal but now prefer to split the difference. If she presses the right buttons and I fall in love, she's welcome to come night after night. However, it's great if she has a job or something to go to during the day. I'm both a loner and a cheapskate so I like to have my own time and not have to entertain her all day. It's not unheard of for me to get an infill during this time.

Everyone has their preferences but this fits me pretty well.

Cheers. G.

[Radical Guy]

I don't know RG or his girl so no comment on them. However, when holidaying with a girl, expect to pay many multiples of cost to fuck on meals, bikinis, activities etc. I was flamed heavily for saying it costs more to feed a girl than fuck her but it's pretty accurate, especially in tourist areas.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. To answer your specific question, I pay the equivalent of one ST per day for a XLT. That's 24/7 for several days or occasionally weeks.

Be careful what you ask for. There are downsides to committing to a working girl for long periods or taking her out of town.

Good luck. G.

Of course I pay for such things, but isn't that true of any real relationship? I don't have any illusions that the only reasons such a beautiful lady is with me are my good looks and charm. But I find that I much prefer the girlfriend experience to a cold sex-for-cash transaction with some bargirl or unwed mother. If my girl believes that I *might* be the one to bring her to the US and marry her, she's that much more motivated to keep me happy, more so than some girl looking for only short time profit.

RG.

[Goferring]

G.

After your advice on PL and Davao, I must've collected at least a dozen of single moms! Are these by product of some hidden fuck fest that I didn't know about or does Filipino follows Amish culture strictly 😅. Some of them has 4/5 brothers and sisters.

On another topic, what's up with the "paid drinking companion scam!" Wouldn't buzz for P4 P but will take money to drink with me and then decide whether to spread the legs for another fees!

Sorry, just saw your post.

Yes, it's exceedingly common for boy meets girl then moves on to another when she gets preggo. Add in religious influences on attitudes to contraception and abortion and it's not surprising to have so many single moms. Many of these girls are shunned by local guys so see latching on the a foreigner as their only option.

I've had plenty of platonic dates with girls. Either fact finding missions, to ease her concerns that I'm not a psycho, or I've simply enjoyed her company. Having said that, I've got no tolerance for paying 300 p, to drinks only girls, only to hear "Where you from? Where you stay? When you go home?

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

Just out of curiosity, how much do you pay for such duration aside from buying gifts and paying for food and etc?

I don't know RG or his girl so no comment on them. However, when holidaying with a girl, expect to pay many multiples of cost to fuck on meals, bikinis, activities etc. I was flamed heavily for saying it costs more to feed a girl than fuck her but it's pretty accurate, especially in tourist areas.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. To answer your specific question, I pay the equivalent of one ST per day for a XLT. That's 24/7 for several days or occasionally weeks.

Be careful what you ask for. There are downsides to committing to a working girl for long periods or taking her out of town.

Good luck. G.

[AggieDad1]

So let me get something straight. Are most of these guys that marry pinays marrying hookers or regular girls at the mall. Are the hookers as attractive as the girls that work the counter at the malls. The girl smiles at them and it's marriage visa time.

I personally have never considered bringing any girl to America under any type of visa. Especially a hooker. That's a simp move. Enjoy the illusion for a week and then come back to earth.

Most westerners who marry Filipina women are marrying women who are not hookers at the time they meet. Understand that this is a sex forum and that the men on this forum do not represent the average western man traveling to the Philippines looking for love. Most of us on this forum have questionable morals, and as we say in Texas "birds of a feather flock together". I do agree with you bringing a girl back to the US on a visa will more than likely end in disaster. I would personally want to live with a woman for several months first to see if we are compatible. Sadly my current record for these compatibility tests is four days. So it does not look like marriage is in my future. LOL.

[Radical Guy]

Just out of curiosity, how much do you pay for such duration aside from buying gifts and paying for food and etc?

Last time, I gave my girlfriend 10,000 pesos after her 3 weeks with me. She never asked me for anything, but I thought that was fair. She was thrilled.

[TooDirty]

So let me get something straight. Are most of these guys that marry pinays marrying hookers or regular girls at the mall. Are the hookers as attractive as the girls that work the counter at the malls. The girl smiles at them and it's marriage visa time.

I personally have never considered bringing any girl to America under any type of visa. Especially a hooker. That's a simp move. Enjoy the illusion for a week and then come back to earth.

I don't even want to bring me back to the USA as soon as I escape.

[TjBrazil]

So let me get something straight. Are most of these guys that marry pinays marrying hookers or regular girls at the mall. Are the hookers as attractive as the girls that work the counter at the malls. The girl smiles at them and it's marriage visa time.

I personally have never considered bringing any girl to America under any type of visa. Especially a hooker. That's a simp move. Enjoy the illusion for a week and then come back to earth.

[Aml3740]

Faaaark. Tell me you've been burnt without saying you've been burnt. 😜.

Yes, there are many disastrous mixed marriages but there is also a silent majority of successful ones too. A mongering bulletin board is probably not the best place to go looking for the later.

FWIW, here are some risk factors that I've noticed to both.

Horror stories:

1/. Fall in love after 2 weeks online or in country. Have no awareness of wider PI culture or her values specifically.

2/. Immediately shower her with gifts / use $$ as the main attractant.

3/. Use looks and hotness as the primary selection criterion.

4/. Buy houses, businesses, jewellery etc in country. Lots of sunk costs that are easily garnished by her and require no continued presence by him.

Success stories:

1/. Long term commitment after months in country and getting to know her on a daily basis.

2/. Lots in common for the other 97% of the day.

3/. A 'normal' girl met in 'normal' circumstances. Not online, in a bar etc. Her friends are employed and mostly married to pinoys, not churning thru foreign boyfriends on a weekly basis.

4/. Obviously net worth is likely to be very different but similar social standing, education level and <10 yrs age gap.

5/. Family disasters etc are paid out of her salary / bank account / allowances, not automatically handed to him. Many see no family payments at all.

Most of all, if every girl the guy meets is a money hungry scammer, then perhaps it's not the girls' fault?? Maybe he's just not looking in the right areas. It's great fun to hook up for a few days or weeks but no one is holding a gun to guys' heads to turn this into forever.

Sure there are guys like RG who, despite doing the right things, are still unlucky. I feel for those guys. But there are also many others who ignore the most glaring warning signs and still charge ahead. For those, I have no sympathy.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. For those saying they don't have months to spend in country, then simply don't commit. Come for fun and go back home. If you can't prioritise a few months to make a lifelong commitment, then just don't make that commitment. It will save a lot of $$ and stress.

Man, some people are really jaded by life, and I get it. My first marriage (not to pinay) ended after 15 years and numerous affairs by her, her giving me a std because she didn't have the decency to use a fucking condom even, and then deciding that she was a lesbian and moving her girlfriend in. I stuck it out as long as I could because divorce laws suck in no-fault states and, even though I was honestly faithful that entire time, I still had no realistic shot at physical custody and owe an exorbitant amount of money in child support each month. I will always support my kids, but it sucks to pay and not see them everyday.

My "serious province girlfriend" I spoke of earlier is actually my wife, and has been for over a year already. I'm just not particularly proud messing around on her. We met online, introduced by her cousin living in the US, and had ldr for a couple of years because of pandemic lockdowns. She never once asked me for money; the only thing she asked me for before I came to Philippines was when I wanted to send her a gift for Vday and she asked for a new phone because her old one was really bad. I took that $60 for the phone as an investment; the worst case would have been that it is lost. But it turned out that she was a keeper. After foreigners were allowed in, I was on one of the first flights in so I could be with her in the province and really see who she was. We got married after a few months and she just had our first child a few months ago. She works hard with her own business and, though I send money now, I found out when I went this summer that she actually has been saving most of it and using the money she makes for daily needs and bills. She is a quality woman, and she has never approached me with a family emergency, even though she has 11 siblings, 9 of whom can't manage their lives! The plan is to move there when the right work opportunity opens up for me.

The only drawback is she doesn't really enjoy sex, mostly because of an injury that she is too embarrassed to have fixed. She enjoys during, but hurts for days after. So, I have her tacit approval to play, as long as I don't tell her about it, don't do it in her province, and always use protection. If asked by a provider why I want to use a condom, I'll tell them why. Which is why I found it so hilarious that this young lady I was seeing in Manila was obsessing over not using a condom if I see her in December because she is my girlfriend, too, according to her. It's crazy!

[Zippos]

Just out of curiosity, how much do you pay for such duration aside from buying gifts and paying for food and etc?

I'm not looking for "true" romance in the Philippines, but I enjoy my 3-week flings to be romantic, which is why I'm not into bargirls or P4 P types. I've had those, but they always were disappointing. I'll never overtly lie to girls, by promising marriage, etc. , but I won't tell them it's impossible either. So perhaps I'm lying by omission, so to speak, because they'll then make all sorts of efforts to make me fall in love with them. Yes, perhaps this is dirty pool, but I don't care.

RG.

[Zippos]

G.

After your advice on PL and Davao, I must've collected at least a dozen of single moms! Are these by product of some hidden fuck fest that I didn't know about or does Filipino follows Amish culture strictly 😅. Some of them has 4/5 brothers and sisters.

On another topic, what's up with the "paid drinking companion scam!" Wouldn't buzz for P4 P but will take money to drink with me and then decide whether to spread the legs for another fees!

If this is true, then the guy is looking in the wrong place for a LTR. Broke single moms are great for a night or two of fun. Anything longer or more permanent should be sourced elsewhere.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

One last thought. Think about "Marriage Market Value". The girls you are targeting have zero market value in the Philippines.

If this is true, then the guy is looking in the wrong place for a LTR. Broke single moms are great for a night or two of fun. Anything longer or more permanent should be sourced elsewhere.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

The PI is NOT a marriage market for submissive asian brides trained to worship and serve. It's more of a mental cage match where the most savvy and agile wins. You need to go in with the attitude that "It's a business transaction with a performance artist / con-women".

Be up front that you know the game and are not interested in their life story of family tragedy. Just tell them you will pay them to pretend they are an actress in a TV romance and the better they perform the higher the salary. At the end of the day all you really want is good sex at bargain basement prices..

Faaaark. Tell me you've been burnt without saying you've been burnt. 😜.

Yes, there are many disastrous mixed marriages but there is also a silent majority of successful ones too. A mongering bulletin board is probably not the best place to go looking for the later.

FWIW, here are some risk factors that I've noticed to both.

Horror stories:

1/. Fall in love after 2 weeks online or in country. Have no awareness of wider PI culture or her values specifically.

2/. Immediately shower her with gifts / use $$ as the main attractant.

3/. Use looks and hotness as the primary selection criterion.

4/. Buy houses, businesses, jewellery etc in country. Lots of sunk costs that are easily garnished by her and require no continued presence by him.

Success stories:

1/. Long term commitment after months in country and getting to know her on a daily basis.

2/. Lots in common for the other 97% of the day.

3/. A 'normal' girl met in 'normal' circumstances. Not online, in a bar etc. Her friends are employed and mostly married to pinoys, not churning thru foreign boyfriends on a weekly basis.

4/. Obviously net worth is likely to be very different but similar social standing, education level and <10 yrs age gap.

5/. Family disasters etc are paid out of her salary / bank account / allowances, not automatically handed to him. Many see no family payments at all.

Most of all, if every girl the guy meets is a money hungry scammer, then perhaps it's not the girls' fault?? Maybe he's just not looking in the right areas. It's great fun to hook up for a few days or weeks but no one is holding a gun to guys' heads to turn this into forever.

Sure there are guys like RG who, despite doing the right things, are still unlucky. I feel for those guys. But there are also many others who ignore the most glaring warning signs and still charge ahead. For those, I have no sympathy.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. For those saying they don't have months to spend in country, then simply don't commit. Come for fun and go back home. If you can't prioritise a few months to make a lifelong commitment, then just don't make that commitment. It will save a lot of $$ and stress.

[Radical Guy]

This is an excellent discussion thread with sage advice. Everyone contemplating marriage in the PI should read it twice. Intra-cultural marriages are risky ventures whatever the nationality. Add in an income and age disparity and the risk is higher.

The PI is NOT a marriage market for submissive asian brides trained to worship and serve. It's more of a mental cage match where the most savvy and agile wins. You need to go in with the attitude that "It's a business transaction with a performance artist / con-women".

Be up front that you know the game and are not interested in their life story of family tragedy. Just tell them you will pay them to pretend they are an actress in a TV romance and the better they perform the higher the salary. At the end of the day all you really want is good sex at bargain basement prices.

If you are looking for true romance then you are in the wrong place. Join a church in your home country and find a nice parishioner.

One last thought. Think about "Marriage Market Value". The girls you are targeting have zero market value in the Philippines. They are past their "Sell-By" date, and are essentially desperate leftover women. In this world, men control access to marriage, women control access to relationships (hookers excluded as that's not a relationship). Don't waste your pick for a long term partner on leftovers.

I'm not looking for "true" romance in the Philippines, but I enjoy my 3-week flings to be romantic, which is why I'm not into bargirls or P4 P types. I've had those, but they always were disappointing. I'll never overtly lie to girls, by promising marriage, etc. , but I won't tell them it's impossible either. So perhaps I'm lying by omission, so to speak, because they'll then make all sorts of efforts to make me fall in love with them. Yes, perhaps this is dirty pool, but I don't care.

RG.

[Mahaba]

You are a divorce attorney and still married a chick in the US. That's like a prison guard marrying a serial killer under her watch. "Ted has changed. He has found god, and is really sweet. ".

This is an excellent discussion thread with sage advice. Everyone contemplating marriage in the PI should read it twice. Intra-cultural marriages are risky ventures whatever the nationality. Add in an income and age disparity and the risk is higher.

The PI is NOT a marriage market for submissive asian brides trained to worship and serve. It's more of a mental cage match where the most savvy and agile wins. You need to go in with the attitude that "It's a business transaction with a performance artist / con-women".

Be up front that you know the game and are not interested in their life story of family tragedy. Just tell them you will pay them to pretend they are an actress in a TV romance and the better they perform the higher the salary. At the end of the day all you really want is good sex at bargain basement prices.

If you are looking for true romance then you are in the wrong place. Join a church in your home country and find a nice parishioner.

One last thought. Think about "Marriage Market Value". The girls you are targeting have zero market value in the Philippines. They are past their "Sell-By" date, and are essentially desperate leftover women. In this world, men control access to marriage, women control access to relationships (hookers excluded as that's not a relationship). Don't waste your pick for a long term partner on leftovers.