Thanks a lot, WC for the very informative input as always!
On AC I meant, 4. 5 k to 5 k in total (BF+LD+Tip).
I will try Burgos Gogo if I make it to Manila this holidays!
Welcome. I forgot to mention a few other hotels in the area: St. Giles, Sogo, City Garden, City Garden Grand, and I'M Hotel. A few blocks further northeast in the Century City area are condos Gramercy, A Venue, Milano, and Knightsbrige (use airbnb).
Happy holidays, and hope you find something (s) worth vaxxing.
Not necessarily. The street scene on Burgos can be chaotic. Mostly older gals, lots of ladyboy.
Correct on the Makati gogo bars on price, 9-10 k PHP is typical. The girl's "Tip" is something she will insist on negotiating with you while still in the bar. Its usually about p5000. She will expect the full tip if she stays the agreed-upon time, her service was good and she does in the room what you agreed upon the night before. Once again, the tip is negotiated while still in the bar, but given upon her departure after service.
Not aware of similar gogo bars in QC. Other gents?
AC = BF + LD. There is no tip that will be pre-negotiated (unless you bring it up in the bar). You are not required to tip anything. However most gents do tip upon her departure if her service was good. Tips usually range from 300-1000, but you don't need to give her anything. Any tip she gets is from the goodness of your heart (or other body part).
AC cost = P4 k to 5 k barfine (depending which bar) + any LD. You said "+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight", which is a touch confusing. Did you mean the tips are mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? Or did you mean the total cost would be mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? The total cost with LD should be about 4. 5 - 6 K, which is about half the cost of a Burgos gogo girl.
There are reports of girls in some AC gogos doing ST (not long time). You might need to ask in advance.
Can't answer that. Would say that you should experience Burgos gogos at least once, if for no other reason than to see the level (or lack thereof) of talent. Burgos gogo girls will cost you about twice what an AC girl will cost.
Makati Palace, right on Burgos St, across the street from Cubana Cafe. There are airbnb options in the area, and a Red Planet 1 block away. Also Coro Hotel is near.
Thanks for all the posts. I am 26 M from London and am planning my first trip outside Europe to hobby and relax (I have previously done: Ams, Barcelona, Vienna and Prague).
I plan to fly into Manila and spend 9 days in Makati staying at the city garden grand. I will then fly to Boracay to spend 4 days on a beach before flying home (if I find the right girl I may bring her with me).
I would like to start by trying my luck on Tinder, but my other options will either be bar girls from P Burgos or escorts from Manilacourtesans. I have a few questions that I hope some of you will be able to answer.
1. This is my first time hobbying in a country where it's illegal. I know being punished for this is rare, but are there any tips to stay legally secure? (Like not having discussing services over text).
2. I have typically only done 1 HR appointments with girls, but the prices here for a long time are only 2 x the 2 HR price. What am I supposed to do during this time; should I take the girl out to dinner first or have drinks somewhere or should I just fuck her, go to sleep and then fuck her again?
3. I do like girls with bigger tits that aren't too chubby, I know most Asians aren't built like this. But, is it still likely that I could find some to suit my preferences? I don't mind fake boobs either. Any bars in particular partial to this body type? I've heard maybe Fyre.
4. I intend to do some BBFS during this trip. Hopefully with civis or semi pros off tinder to reduce the risk. Would you recommend I get some Prep or other antibiotics just in case? Where can I obtain these and how easy / cheap is it?
5. I'm hoping to have a sb relationship with someone whilst I'm there and possibly bringing them to Boracay with me. I'm not sure if seekings membership price is worth it though. So, does anyone know if there are any freelancers in Boracay. And do you think they'the spend the day with me?
6. Any massage place recommendations? I have been trying to get a Nuru massage with the gel for ages.
I'll be in the Philippines Feb 4th to 17th. So let me know if you want to hang out while I'm here. Thanks everyone!
For both QC and Makati. BF+LD+ Girls Tip. Roughly 9 k PHP for every pickup in average, is this right?
Correct on the Makati gogo bars on price, 9-10 k PHP is typical. The girl's "Tip" is something she will insist on negotiating with you while still in the bar. Its usually about p5000. She will expect the full tip if she stays the agreed-upon time, her service was good and she does in the room what you agreed upon the night before. Once again, the tip is negotiated while still in the bar, but given upon her departure after service.
Not aware of similar gogo bars in QC. Other gents?
In AC- I see it's only BF+LD+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight.
AC = BF + LD. There is no tip that will be pre-negotiated (unless you bring it up in the bar). You are not required to tip anything. However most gents do tip upon her departure if her service was good. Tips usually range from 300-1000, but you don't need to give her anything. Any tip she gets is from the goodness of your heart (or other body part).
AC cost = P4 k to 5 k barfine (depending which bar) + any LD. You said "+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight", which is a touch confusing. Did you mean the tips are mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? Or did you mean the total cost would be mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? The total cost with LD should be about 4. 5 - 6 K, which is about half the cost of a Burgos gogo girl.
There are reports of girls in some AC gogos doing ST (not long time). You might need to ask in advance.
Given this is it worth to spend in Makati over AC?
Can't answer that. Would say that you should experience Burgos gogos at least once, if for no other reason than to see the level (or lack thereof) of talent. Burgos gogo girls will cost you about twice what an AC girl will cost.
Lastly, I used to stay in Central Park in AC, what would equivalent girl friendly hotel close, quiet and decent close to the bars and action in makati?
Makati Palace, right on Burgos St, across the street from Cubana Cafe. There are airbnb options in the area, and a Red Planet 1 block away. Also Coro Hotel is near.
Hey Folks, I always frequent AC in Phil's and BKK, Pattaya in TH.
Looking at AC forum I see the action is much less and options are getting thin by the day! Thought of exploring Manila. I RTFF Manila, Makati and QC. Below is my observation and would like to see if this is right.
QC has more massage places / fish bowl. More upscale and quiet precint.
Makati / Burgos street has pick up bars similar to that of AC. FL scene is also better here.
For both QC and Makati. BF+LD+ Girls Tip. Roughly 9 k PHP for every pickup in average, is this right?
In AC- I see it's only BF+LD+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight.
Given this is it worth to spend in Makati over AC?
Lastly, I used to stay in Central Park in AC, what would equivalent girl friendly hotel close, quiet and decent close to the bars and action in makati?
Thanks a Ton and sorry if too many questions hehe!
I was hesitant to share my report......luxury 5-star resort f....... rubbing my cock... I gave her 2 K more .... Back home $500 for a PPM ......, I drive a BMW 4 series, I own a 1-bedroom condo with a mortgage on it,.....I earn a salary of a little over $250 K a year, .... After I applied my filters for girls, it took me until about 150 profiles ..
.I also only eat 2 meals a day in my regular life, so it was only breakfast a. 61-62 K by myself. Which comes out to about $1,100 which is less than the cost of two PPMs in my area and less than 9% of my after-tax monthly wages. It cost me $1,200 just to board my dog while I was on my trip, so I spent more on my dog on this trip than six days of plentiful sex with a beautiful college girl nearly half my age. You can't convince me I overpaid LOL.
I missed the stuff about you being 42 and obese.
Where I come from, we have things called paragraphs. Also, in my case, I know billionaires and paupers and everyone in between. I have stayed in everything from 5 star hotels to prisons. But that is enough about me, let's talk about me.
Your personal income figures don't add up but then SE Asia is full of folk who re-invent themselves. Dream world meets Clown world.
What prompted my reply was I had first seen you mention your dog and thought you brought it as your wingman and I had looked up the costs of bringing a dog to the Philippines.
I previously posted about eating dogs. I see Korean dog owners are under some pressure from animal rights' morons. Maybe next time bring your dog.
A Royal Marine captain was kidnapped by rebels in Liberia and, in conversation with them, he asked whether it was true human meat tasted like pork. His captor replied "I don't know. I am Muslim".
Long story short. I don't care how rich or poor you are and nor, I imagine, does anyone else, because a bore is someone who, when you ask him his life story, tells you. I will be in Angeles in the New Year, sitting in bars deciding who to bonk. Last time, English soccer supporters and their hired holes sat nearby watching their teams play on TV. And I got into small talk with successful American business men, all ships in the night. Go easy on the BS.
Sheer ignorance here. Not talking about CurtisMack. It is CurtisMack's adventure, life and money. Plain and simple.
Go jump on Mercedes Benz buyers. Or Rolex buyers. I don't own those nor pay prices near those for a car or watch. Does the Benz and Rolex buyers affect me? Heck no!
Again, where is the ignorance and value? There are plenty of high earners who live and visit the Philippines and know there's absolutely no need to spend money as if you're in Dubai. That is the whole point of visiting the Philippines, that's what the country is famous for.
I've congratulated him and the girl for both getting what they wanted from each other. You're talking as if he's the only person to have used seeking in Manila. I'm one of the first people to even mention that site here back when seeking started becoming a thing. I've flown Filipinas to me from Manila to all over Asia depending on when I was at the time and never has it had to cost me what I would pay back home. That is the value of going to a place like PH. The moment it turns into a western prices place, it stops being of value to me because I'm already in a country with western prices and would have no need to take the hassle of getting on a plane to spend basically what I would spend where I am. Way too many people put women on such high a pedestal it's actually funny LOL.
Rolex? Merc? Hahaha. The 1900's called, they want their old school mindset back. Why would I care about material items with diminishing value that hold no value to me? Maybe it's just me and having been schooled on how not to get fleeced in the p4 p scene by old timers, and no most of them weren't low earners nursing their $500 pension in some bumfuck nowhere town in Asia.
Anyway, best of luck to those who insist on trying to entice Filipinas in the Philippines with $1000 for 3 days work. I look forward to reading about the adventures. Passport bros blew up in record time, why not bling bling bros too?
It cost me $1,200 just to board my dog while I was on my trip, so I spent more on my dog on this trip than six days of plentiful sex with a beautiful college girl nearly half my age. You can't convince me I overpaid LOL.
PMSL. I've often commented on how little PPM costs are in the overall scheme of a holiday but I never thought about Fido. LOL.
I also don't think you need to justify anything. Your money, your priorities. The original report definitely showed one path to having a good time.
Many forget that different people come for different reasons: budget sex; as many notches in the bed post as humanly possible; relax after a day's touristing; get away from the missus. The list of reasons goes on but they are all valid.
Each of its own, for me SBs never worked. I currently have Dipolog 19 years cutie " was virgin " stunner give me more then I need just for small tuition fee.
She does more then SBs I had, creampie, morning glory, now she sleep while my Cum in her, plus she rides me 120 miles an hour.
All the SBs I had, there end goal was money not satisfying me. And I know why I travel from US to Asia to get better treatment at the low cost.
I was hesitant to share my report because I know having read the posts in these forums that people who are seen as having overpaid get a lot of hate LOL. Even in my earlier posts I got laughed at when I shared that I had booked a luxury 5-star resort for my stay in Boracay, but I would have booked that anyways. I like to spoil myself when I travel, so I stay in the comfort of 5-star suites when available. I stayed in a 5-star suite in Makati as well. But I never shared that I am booked in 5-star hotels with any of the girls except one (the 10/10 hot girl that I never got to meet), because she asked me on whatsapp where I booked for the Boracay stay, so I told her. I didn't book that Boracay suite because as some people said in response to my previous posts that I was trying to impress these girls to get them to come with me. I would have booked that suite regardless whether I was on a mongering trip or not. And besides I know from my experience in sugar dating that trying to impress SBs never works. What works is what is the point of a SD in the first place, to SPOIL these girls. If your goal is to try to get SBs at the minimum they are willing to accept, then you should expect no more from them than to try the minimum to please you. My modus operandi in sugar dating that has worked well for me at home is to spoil these girls beyond their expectations for extra effort. I approach sugaring like I do with stocks LOL. If you FOMO after selling for a gain but could have made more, if you try to hold longer next time you are at higher risk of losing those gains. I don't sit around thinking about how much more I could have made. If I am happy with the gains then I sell. And with sugar dating if I'm happy to give that amount then I do and not worry about whether I could have spent less. I am always happy to give what I give to my SBs, and when the effort starts to decrease or stays stagnant that's when the sugar relationship is over for me and I end it. I didn't share every detail about my report because I knew the potential of ruffling some feathers, but it seems I have upset some people anyways so I will share with you now LOL..
I was hesitant to share my report because I know having read the posts in these forums that people who are seen as having overpaid get a lot of hate LOL. Even in my earlier posts I got laughed at when I shared that I had booked a luxury 5-star resort for my stay in Boracay, but I would have booked that anyways. I like to spoil myself when I travel, so I stay in the comfort of 5-star suites when available. I stayed in a 5-star suite in Makati as well. But I never shared that I am booked in 5-star hotels with any of the girls except one (the 10/10 hot girl that I never got to meet), because she asked me on whatsapp where I booked for the Boracay stay, so I told her. I didn't book that Boracay suite because as some people said in response to my previous posts that I was trying to impress these girls to get them to come with me. I would have booked that suite regardless whether I was on a mongering trip or not. And besides I know from my experience in sugar dating that trying to impress SBs never works. What works is what is the point of a SD in the first place, to SPOIL these girls. If your goal is to try to get SBs at the minimum they are willing to accept, then you should expect no more from them than to try the minimum to please you. My modus operandi in sugar dating that has worked well for me at home is to spoil these girls beyond their expectations for extra effort. I approach sugaring like I do with stocks LOL. If you FOMO after selling for a gain but could have made more, if you try to hold longer next time you are at higher risk of losing those gains. I don't sit around thinking about how much more I could have made. If I am happy with the gains then I sell. And with sugar dating if I'm happy to give that amount then I do and not worry about whether I could have spent less. I am always happy to give what I give to my SBs, and when the effort starts to decrease or stays stagnant that's when the sugar relationship is over for me and I end it. I didn't share every detail about my report because I knew the potential of ruffling some feathers, but it seems I have upset some people anyways so I will share with you now LOL. The 5 K extra I gave my girl at the end was not the only tip I gave her. I gave a tip after each date. After the first date with the overnight and morning sex, she could have taken the PPM which I had already given the night before and left in the morning, but she was the one who initiated the morning after sex by rubbing my cock and getting me hard after waking up. I gave her 2 K more as she was about to leave and said thank you here is some extra for giving me more of what I want. After our second date I tipped her another 2 K again and I thanked her for her affection throughout the day and during sex because she was even flirtier with me throughout the day than the night before and the sex was even better. This has been what in my experience what works best to get the most out of SBs, if they go beyond expectation then give a little extra and tell them that it was for going above and beyond. That for me has been the best way to get SBs to continue to keep that extra sugar coming. It was a little insurance to hedge against the risk that she would only try to do the bare minimum during our stay in Boracay. And I do sincerely apologize and feel for you who are grumbling at my spending, and trust me I know how you feel. Back home $500 for a PPM is about the median for the younger hot girls. I do well for myself, but at home I am probably in the bottom 20th percentile in terms of wealth amongst the potential SDs excluding people trying to scam and just use SA like an escort site. I am 42, I am obese, I drive a BMW 4 series, I own a 1-bedroom condo with a mortgage on it, and the vast majority of my net worth is tied up in my retirement. My net worth is just above $1 million, and I have to compete with more wealthy people who drive lambos, own a multiple-bedroom fancy home, and probably have net worth in the 8 figures. Not to mention the younger, more fit and better looking guys who are on there who might earn less salary than me but girls are more willing to date because of their age and physical appearance. I earn a salary of a little over $250 K a year, which is enough to sugar date, but I have to budget for my sugaring. There are plenty of SDs in my area that can spend way more than me without worrying about their budget. But I still have had success because of the shear number of SBs looking to sugar date in my area. So holding out for a rich SD is not a viable strategy for all the potential SBs in my area because of the large size of the potential SB pool. So while it's far more difficult I still have success because it's a numbers game. And while you mention that the number of quality girls in Manila has gone down since pre-Covid, compared to other destinations Manila has far more SBs on the site. After I applied my filters for girls, it took me until about 150 profiles when sorted by recently active to see a profile that had a girl that hadn't logged on in the past week. I tried a search with the same filters for Bangkok (except "travel with you" girls in Bangkok since I wasn't trying to BYOG) and on the third page of results with 30 results per page, I ran out of girls who are active on the site. So if I take off the "travel with you" filter I would get even more results in Manila. So hopefully that will be encouraging to some of you looking to use SA in Manila, because from my searches in the past (I've also tried searching in Seoul and Tokyo but did not end up using SA because there are so few girls on there) Manila seems to be where the number of available girls is the highest in Asia. I just wanted to enjoy my vacation and come in to Manila feeling like a high-roller for once in my sugaring life. So I am sorry for being that guy, and trust me I know your struggle as I go through the same back home. I do sincerely apologize and empathize with you, but there will always be people with more money and willing to spoil girls more than you. If sitting around and being upset about and blaming them for ruining it for you on the boards makes you feel better, then by all means have at it.
As I mentioned in this TLDR post LOL I actually spent more than what I put in my report. In straight cash it was 58 K. I also only eat 2 meals a day in my regular life, so it was only breakfast and dinners in Boracay (if she got hungry she snacked on the free food they put in the room like chips, cookies fruits). Breakfast is included at the resort so just dinner each night which was about 800 per meal at the resort. No room service only the beers that were in the minibar which was included with the room (only had to pay if we asked for more). Plus the drinks we had and the dinner on the second date I probably spent in total an additional 61-62 K than what I would have spent if I had gone by myself. Which comes out to about $1,100 which is less than the cost of two PPMs in my area and less than 9% of my after-tax monthly wages. It cost me $1,200 just to board my dog while I was on my trip, so I spent more on my dog on this trip than six days of plentiful sex with a beautiful college girl nearly half my age. You can't convince me I overpaid LOL.
I don't think you need to explain anything. Whether someone thinks you overspent or not is not of much consequence. What is important is that you enjoyed yourself and provided a good report here of your fun. Some critics are afraid of tourist induced inflation while others genuinely want to show there's a cheaper way. We read and continue to enjoy ourselves, that's what its all about.
Dude, it's not that you have more money and can spend more on girls than others LOL. Plenty of us could drop 1000 USD on a girl for ST in the Philippines if we wanted to. Heck, I was just in angeles 2 weeks ago for 3 days and my total expense for the trip was nearly $1500.flights and accommodation barely made up 20% of that. The difference is in those 3 days, I was able to sample nine girls and 3 of them were overnight appointments with food, drinks and general partying. I could've stayed at the world famous ABC hotel but it really wasn't necessary, but the one bedroom suite at one euphoria building was a nice alternative.
The point and question is should we really be treating the PH scene exactly like it is back home? As stated earlier the locals just look at most "high rolling" foreigners as fools for the taking. Spending 10 X the amount doesn't mean you get 10 X the experience, it just mostly means you get the same experience for 10 X the amount, that's what the Philippines is all about when it comes to the women in our hobby.
Show me a Filipina on seeking who doesn't want to go on an all expenses paid trip to boracay and I'll show you a liar. Sure, some can't make it because of commitments (school, family etc), but the vast majority would jump at the chance and there wouldn't be a need to entice them as if you're paying time and a half for their effort.
Again, I'm glad you had a great time, but for those of us who have been going to PH for years and have spent significant amounts of time there, all we see is an unexpected 40 k windfall for a girl who won the lottery for the week. She would've done everything you wanted without that extra 40 k regardless, so I'm also happy for her. The question is when she inevitably tells her friends and other seeking SBs, how many will hold out for that 1% chance of finding another ripe whale ready to be gutted for its riches? Further detrimenting the Manila seeking scene..
Sheer ignorance here. Not talking about CurtisMack. It is CurtisMack's adventure, life and money. Plain and simple.
Go jump on Mercedes Benz buyers. Or Rolex buyers. I don't own those nor pay prices near those for a car or watch. Does the Benz and Rolex buyers affect me? Heck no!
I was hesitant to share my report because I know having read the posts in these forums that people who are seen as having overpaid get a lot of hate LOL. Even in my earlier posts I got laughed at when I shared that I had booked a luxury 5-star resort for my stay in Boracay, but I would have booked that anyways. I like to spoil myself when I travel, so I stay in the comfort of 5-star suites when available. I stayed in a 5-star suite in Makati as well. But I never shared that I am booked in 5-star hotels with any of the girls except one (the 10/10 hot girl that I never got to meet), because she asked me on whatsapp where I booked for the Boracay stay, so I told her. I didn't book that Boracay suite because as some people said in response to my previous posts that I was trying to impress these girls to get them to come with me. I would have booked that suite regardless whether I was on a mongering trip or not. And besides I know from my experience in sugar dating that trying to impress SBs never works. What works is what is the point of a SD in the first place, to SPOIL these girls. If your goal is to try to get SBs at the minimum they are willing to accept, then you should expect no more from them than to try the minimum to please you. My modus operandi in sugar dating that has worked well for me at home is to spoil these girls beyond their expectations for extra effort. I approach sugaring like I do with stocks LOL. If you FOMO after selling for a gain but could have made more, if you try to hold longer next time you are at higher risk of losing those gains. I don't sit around thinking about how much more I could have made. If I am happy with the gains then I sell. And with sugar dating if I'm happy to give that amount then I do and not worry about whether I could have spent less. I am always happy to give what I give to my SBs, and when the effort starts to decrease or stays stagnant that's when the sugar relationship is over for me and I end it. I didn't share every detail about my report because I knew the potential of ruffling some feathers, but it seems I have upset some people anyways so I will share with you now LOL..
Please quit apologizing for your adventures and cost. Ignorant people think you are the market maker! Plain ignorance and stupidity. You have achieved an upper level in life that ignorant people will never understand no matter how you try to explain it. There is cost and there is value. 2 different things. You got value. Plain and simple. You put in time and effort to get what you want. That is why you are a USD $250 k earner. Lesser earners will never understand nor will they achieve your level.
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