Manila

[Mr Enternational]

This is normally how compensated dating works in countries where this is a thing. Key is just to be fair and equitable but come out on top in these negotiations. The reason this works out in your favor is because you are setting the market and they may or may not be keen enough to really understand what is going on. It is very rare that they do know what's going on because these girls are usually not very well educated. You basically are negotiating with a high school level individual not a PhD student. Hope this gives you an idea of how to proceed with your compensated dating negotiations.

The thing is that this kind of shit is next level for most mongers. They are sex starved back home and are just happy to be sticking their dick into a hole. That is why many of them will try to take some chick on a getaway that they have no chemistry with. I am a pretty good judge (and I can tell that you are too) of whether I should invite this chick on this getaway before even meeting her. I think your advanced methods would be over most mongers' heads though.

How many times has someone asked how much should I give a chick for taking her somewhere for a few days or a week and someone calculates the already exorbitant amount (say $100) that they are giving chicks when they bar fine them or whatever for one day and multiplies that by the number of days? I have always advocated for giving a chick in that case a reduced rate because it is guaranteed money for her and of course on a regular job she is making nowhere near what I paid her for 1 night. I will usually not take a paid chick for an extended time like that because I know so many unpaid chicks that I can wife up with. But in the extreme case that I did, then I would pay her the $30 that I usually pay chicks for one night, but every subsequent night I would only pay her $15 or something along those lines.

Years ago I met a freelance chick in Pattaya and she told me that if she had a boyfriend that would give her $300 per month then she would no longer need to freelance. That was a way more realistic number than the $1000 per month that I see some girls getting sent to them. So try asking that kind of question to the girl. How much did you make on your last job? How much would a job have to pay for you to consider it a good job? You will not get the crazy amounts like $100 per day, that is for damn sure.

That is why it helps knowing something about the cost of living of the place that you are visiting. Stop thinking about what shit would cost back home or how much you would have to pay a chick back home, and get into your head what kind of money people on normal jobs are getting paid locally. Most guys are not realizing that 30,000 pesos per month is way more than the average person would see. My ex-girlfriend works at a massage shop in Angeles and she told me she makes from 15K to 18K per month. And my chick that has a PhD and is a university dean makes about 35K. So I think most chicks would jump at the 30K plus expenses that you gave your friend.

[Member #4794]

Would you be doing this after your first time? It sounds like a bad idea to try to book a girl for a week before you even meet her.

You have to ask yourself what they want from you. In most cases its going to be money. So what I do is ask how much money they want. Ask what they are after and let them create some image / dream of their optimal situation.

You want to be totally fair and up front for both parties and negotiate the larger sum only when you know you have some chemistry. This way you can talk to several girls and choose from which ever one you click with. One way you can do this is set up dates one on each day or 2 a day if you are up for it and tell them you are busy until you find the one you want and then start the negotiations with that one. So you want her to ask you this question. And this is how you answer it.

Girl: How much you give me?

Monger: How much do you want what is a crazy number? Tell me how much you really want?

Normally girls will say 7000 or 10,000 quite low for that kind of question but astronomically high for them.

What you want to do is get some dream number in her head philipinas are not really "pie in the sky" dreamers so more often than not they will throw a reasonable number at you. There are 2 ways you can make this work. If she wants 10 k you could possible get her to stay with you for 30 days for 10 k which is 333 pesos a night plus food. Or per week that 10 k would be around 1. 5 k a day plus food. I have on occasion thrown in a 1 k budget for shopping when ever we go to a mall which is probably 15-10 items during the months in addition to that 10 k so it comes out to 15-20 k a month or 500-600 pesos a day monthly. This is actually much cheaper than normal mongering. Why this works well is the girl is actively getting money and funds and she is waiting for the lump sum at the end of the trip. So you have constant positive reinforcement followed by a pay day for her. What this means for you is. IF you were to agree to 2-3 k a day for a month that's 60-90 k. Which starts to get pretty pricey. Because you are still dishing out meals and transportation and incidentals like a tooth brush and lotion and stuff she throws into your basket at the supermarket. Whatever number you arrive at 20 k 30 k do not exceed your normal daily allotment, Take into account that she might menstruate and you may or may not have sex everyday so I would say lower your normal budget by 30-50% when you are considering a total. You should count food and transport into this total however you need not let her in on this hidden total. You just need this over all total to not exceed your normal budget. If they calculate that you are not giving them the 90 k they would other wise get if they had a LT session for 30 days you can remind them of the food and transportation and other expenses involved in that and ask if she wants to split those expenses or you will find someone else to drop a brick of money onto. They fall in like pretty quickly. (One caveat is this does not work for bar girls or women who have pimps because she is not the only one who is getting enriched and the reason why i don't long term barfine and find freelancers instead for longer term dating situations. )

Never give this lump sum up front no matter what sob story they dream up that is your only leverage. You will be sure they will be on their best behavior if they are shopping and waiting on a pay day. This also does not effect other mongers as this kind of drives the prices down instead of inflating them this helps the community as a whole. This is normally how compensated dating works in countries where this is a thing. Key is just to be fair and equitable but come out on top in these negotiations. The reason this works out in your favor is because you are setting the market and they may or may not be keen enough to really understand what is going on. It is very rare that they do know what's going on because these girls are usually not very well educated. You basically are negotiating with a high school level individual not a PhD student. Hope this gives you an idea of how to proceed with your compensated dating negotiations.

[Donnahito]

MontanaMonger,

Reading your reports really makes me appreciate the level of detail you put in and quality you give us. Now, when trying to negotiate a lump sum for a DIA girl, would you be doing this after your first time? It sounds like a bad idea to try to book a girl for a week before you even meet her. If you're trying to talk after meeting and extend your time together, I guess some potential pitfalls would be her being busy during the times you are available?

[Member #4794]

I like how you practice price discrimination. ...
... And stay away from those dick pills before you kill yourself!

I would like to say I've always been good with prices but that would be a lie it took me many years to learn restraint *eh* These guys have to ask themselves if they would feel smart or cool paying $10-100 per item at the 0. 99 cent store, paying more for the same product is stupid any way you look at it. The girl I gave 2 k per day to ended up getting a little over 10 k but that is spread out over 5 days. Sometimes these girls are horrible at math so if you ask them how much money they want you can negotiate a time frame and budget that is fair for both parties, such as weekly or monthly rates usual 30-50% off, when they hear the lump sum things change. Asking if they really want to have sex with 7-30 guys unless they are a real piece of work they will usually choose to stay with the one guy.

Cheap is not a bad word to me any more gone are my days of being young and stupid and that is the reason why I need the dick pills I find that for whatever reason if I am comfortable with the girl it works normally. But if there is any rushing or extreme excitement involved it sometimes does not work as directed so a little help helps when I don't want to waste that bar fine. And I certainly can not do pop 2 or 3 without dick pills now days. That is the first time that has happened I took it on an empty stomach and I chewed it because I didn't have any water and I didn't want to drink the sink water in the short time room, I also made the mistake of standing up too soon after. I felt light headed while I was still down I should have rested for 5-10 minutes after which I do now.

[Mr Enternational]

Sometimes when opportunity presents itself you got to jump on it no harm in asking a question.

Great fucking reports. I like your style of mongering. I like how you practice price discrimination. You realize that there is no need to give every chick 3K ST, so you pay according to the situation. Like you gave the one chick 2K per day, which is plenty enough.

Smart how you did not fall for the Burgos chick's guilt trip of asking why you were so cheap. You told her that she was not worth 3K, only 1K plus tip. That is a play out of my book. Even if she was worth it, I would make her think she was not. That is what game is.

In LA Cafe the girls are supposed to pay the bar (no idea how much) if they have not bought a drink. I guess this is when you walk out together. So what I always do is tell the girl I will meet her outside for the bar fee to be avoided. And stay away from those dick pills before you kill yourself!

[Member #4794]

I decided to not report on AC because AC is kinda overdone and we know what happens in AC that being said I spent a few days there this gap in the days I had to take care of some personal business and I did have a flight booked to Cagayan de Oro booked but ended up changing these plans for a personal matter.

Day 19.

I moved to Sunny Bay Suites for the duration. These rooms have been renovated and this part of manila suffers from roach infestations. I've found that anywhere near the bay has roaches it is what it is. The room has an older style aircon but its a monster and is either too cold or not cold enough manual dial no way to set a temp. The bathroom is kind of cramped but this hotel is all about the location. You can see LA cafe if you look real hard out the window. This first night I decided to grab some "Shawarma Snack Center" before heading over to LA cafe. While at LA cafe a huge fight between the working girls was in progress. So the mood was kind of tense. I did see a fairly good looking girl eyeing me away from the chaos so I made contact and asked if she was game. We talked a bit and I learned she was an umbrella girl at a golf course and she did this one a week to pay some bills. She asked for 3 k and she was hot enough to where I just agreed. This girl was accommodating and nice but kind of all about business nothing like the GFE experience I am accustomed to. But apparently there is some fee the girls have to pay to LA cafe I don't recall how much I think its the cost of 1 lady drink I think 600 pesos? Or 700? Something in that range. LA Cafe is quite crowded and kind of hard to see the girls you kind of have to take a lap around the bar and have a look at who makes eye contact with you.

Day 20.

I decided to visit the EDSA complex and I took a grab I took a look around and there were some good looking girls in there but I wasn't real interested I think the mama said it was 3 k plus what the girl wants so I assume you wouldn't walk away from there for less than 5-6 k total. As I was waiting for the Grab home I did see some pretty attractive girls get bar fines I don't know where they were when I was in there but there are a few very good looking girls mixed in at EDSA. I decided to go back to P. Burgos st. And this time I decided I would barfine an overpriced bar girl for the hell of it. I have like some memory gaps for a reason I will explain in a second. I don't remember the exact bar but it has this weird blocked of section in the back where its blocked from view behind tinted glass. A heavy set girl decided she would preset her breasts which I reluctantly held. Smeegle from the lord of the rings showed up along with 3 other girls. They were trying to sell me on a round of 6 lady drinks and they said they would give me a blow job and whatever else in this back area. Honestly it might have been a good deal but I didn't have it in me to tell them that I didn't want smeegle any where near me. So I decided to buy one drink for the one girl I was into but they all kind of stayed and kept asking for a tip for all 6, don't be that guy just stick to your guns and pay for who you like and nothing more. I asked them if other guys pay for these rounds and they said yes. So apparently they have no shortage of suckers that come into that bar. So its about 8 pm and I decided I would bar fine this one girl she was maybe around 28 not young but nice rack and turned me on so the bar fine was 3 k short time plus a tip. This is a bit foggy so at least I think this was 3 k I paid too much and ill explain why in a second. So we walked down right across from the mexican cantina is a short time hotel which I don't remember the price of maybe 500? This whole day I only remember bits and pieces of. So we went up to the room and started talking did the pre shower I took a blue pill but I decided to chew it instead of swallow it. Everything went as planned and I had a great time. Right after I finished I went to stand up and go to the bathroom where the girl was already rinsing off and everything went black and it felt like I was in a tunnel moments later I was on my knees with a huge bruise on it and the girl screaming. Evidently a rare side effect that I have never experienced before is fainting with Viagra. This girl actually cupped my head in the bathroom and saved me from any real head trauma. So I laid down for about 15 minutes and It seemed to be fine except for the bruise on my leg. So I gave her 3 k for saving my head and took a grab back to the hotel. I was still not feeling 100% so I ordered some food with GrabFood and stayed in for the rest of the night.

Day 22.

This day I decided to take a walk down M. Adriatico St. Just to take a look. And maybe a few blocks before I got to Remedios Circle. I saw 4 girls walking around looked like a mama san and 3 girls. So I decided to be a creeper and follow them back to their lair. So they made it to Remedios Circle and this is where I approached them one of them was really hot and I asked them if they were looking for a date. The 2 less attractive girls said no but the one I wanted said yes. The mamasan said it was 2. 5 k short time too which I agreed. So we got to talking about 2 minutes later we were in a taxi to sogo. So I asked her why they were out walking around and she said they were looking for someone. Apparently some korean guy called them and they were unable to find him. So I became "Mr. Steal yo girl". Sometimes when opportunity presents itself you got to jump on it no harm in asking a question. It worked out this time I had a great time no fainting this time but sogo wanted an unusually large amount for the room 1200 pesos it was actually quite large had a jacuzzi tub in it and had a drive in garage. I gave her a 500 pesos tip on top of the 2. 5 k and took a grab to The Aristocrat Restaurant where I walked back to the hotel after grabbing some takeout to enjoy the bay air.

Day 23-28.

I called a girl from Quezon City I met on DIA over to my place and we hit it off we agreed on 2 k a day for a few days. This girl apparently had a German boyfriend for 2 years but she had gotten pregnant with some filipino classmates baby so the German guy left her. She was 22 and she said she had been alone for 2 years I don't know if I buy that part but the sex was great very GFE this girl apparently used to spend a lot of time in boracay and was a hip hop dancer. I enjoyed the sex for about a week maybe a little less I did have to pay for her transportation to and from Quezon city because she traveled back a few times to give the money to her mom but I had previously agreed to pay for any travel expenses since she didn't live near by. So she decided to accompany me to the airport the last day and I had a nice send off.

[Renaldo B]

Manila. It is what it is. Trip report.

The next day I was off to AC. To be continued in the AC forum.

Hi MM,

Great post! I'm in AC for a couple of days and hope to learn some tips and techniques from you if that's OK.

[Member #4794]

Manila. It is what it is. Trip report.

Day 1.

Landed in Manila took a metered taxi and got to Dragonlink Suites.

Dragonlink Suites was OK for the most part affordable but Chinese owned. Chinese owned hotels always a pain in the ass when it comes to policy. They beat the Filipinos to death is asinine rules and procedures that only serve to inconvenience the guest. (fines for pushing more than 3 buttons on the elevator and jumping on the elevator for example) But for 22-35 a night can't really complain to much was clean and room wise was nice enough. Their ID policy is a little hit and miss. I fuck almost anything that moves when I first get off the plane so I grabbed a free lancer on P burgos st. She wanted 3 k but I talked her down to 1 k + tip and she asked me why I was so cheap to which I replied "that is what you are worth" to which she agreed. I would say a solid 6/10 not a looker but better than jerking off to take the edge off. Trick to getting these girls cheap is asking if they had any customers if they haven't they will take almost any amount of money. I had a MILF offer me a blow job right before I met the girl I went with for 700 hard pass. So time to call the girls I had lined up and I called over a couple of college girls problem with these chicks is they are dirt poor they don't have money for anything so I ordered a grab to pick them up and bring them to the hotel. I'm going to preface this by saying this was a fail. These girls were both 19 and from the barangay and extremely naive and visibly shaking when they went up to the room. I asked her if she was up for it and she replied no. I asked her if she understood why I called her and she said yes. Long story short I said fuck it and escorted them out, good news is I was only out the money for the grab. It was late by this time. So I went out and grabbed some food at the Filling Station and did some bar hopping. The bars on P burgos street have unreasonably high bar fines plus tip. So I just called it a night.

Day 2.

Early the next morning I called a college girl (20) from cavite which is a little south of manila. This girl had been a lesbian for all of her college years so she hasn't had a dick for many years so she says. I told her I would reimburse her travel expenses which added up to around 750 pesos 2 jeepneys and a grab from the terminal. This girl didn't look like the typical bar girl. The staff kind of gave me hard time at the reception because of the way she looked. They made me photo copy her college ID kind of bullshit but it is what it is. I took her up to the room and we had talked about what we would do to each other when we finally saw each other so it was exciting and I was into the idea that she hadn't had dick for a very long time. She kept saying that she had to go to the bathroom to do something. I wasn't sure what, she said she was "shy" I thought maybe menstruation or some bullshit I was ready for disappointment again. Nope. Full on jungle Bush I'm going to say a little bit off putting I love eating pussy but there was so much hair this was not the day for that but she was dripping wet like a basset Hound in heat. The sex was actually great her body shivered with anticipation and she had some convulsions while doing the deed unlike bar girl dead pussy she squeezed her pussy as hard as she could and came multiple times through the magic of tadalafil I was able to keep up for a few hours. The look in these non bar girls eyes is way different after you have fucked a few 100 bar girls you'll know what I mean. Bar girls have this look in their eyes like they aren't all there as if they are looking past you at at this stage in the game for me disdain and indifference in any form is a turn off for me. I gave her 2 k for travel expenses and another 2 k for her coming out all that way. I also let her tag along with me at a Korean bbq place. Over all I had a good time exactly what I wanted to happen happened.

The next day I was off to AC. To be continued in the AC forum.

[NewImage]

This is VERY do able. Cebu City has everything from sleazy bars on Mango Ave to high end discos and clubs where you can try your Game / luck. It also has what I consider the best online action in all of PI.
Some OKish beaches around town and some very nice places within a couple hours day trip or overnighter. BYO is easiest but again, many are there online. You just need to have a look. Alona, Malapascua, Moalboal are all very nice and girls would jump at the chance of going there for a day or two.
Enjoy. G.

Yes have been looking at this option and it is getting more appealing. Apparently Nalusuan Island has great snorkeling too and an abundance of fish.

NI.

[NewImage]

RK, I'm interested why you used a charter banca vs flying. Last time I was there (admittedly a few years ago now) the Juan Air flight was faster and cheaper than one person hiring a car / charter banca.
If the direct to your door charter bancas have been stopped too, the plane would seem to the the most stress free way to go.
Cheers. G.

The seaplane often cancels flights and is really unreliable re scheduling. Also when I looked at the cost it was way too much compared to getting a fastcraft over.

[Goferring]

Not true ED. Please don't give incorrect information.

The embargo started on July 1.

I was there a few weeks ago in mid-June. Picked up by a pre-ordered banca on a beach in Batangas and straight across to El Galleon pontoon.

Many bancas were still plying the route. It's stopped now though although some resort owners are getting together to buy their own larger fast ferries. Expect them on the water in a few months.

RK, I'm interested why you used a charter banca vs flying. Last time I was there (admittedly a few years ago now) the Juan Air flight was faster and cheaper than one person hiring a car / charter banca.

If the direct to your door charter bancas have been stopped too, the plane would seem to the the most stress free way to go.

Cheers. G.

[Engine Driver]

Not true ED. Please don't give incorrect information.

The embargo started on July 1.

I was there a few weeks ago in mid-June. Picked up by a pre-ordered banca on a beach in Batangas and straight across to El Galleon pontoon.

Many bancas were still plying the route. It's stopped now though although some resort owners are getting together to buy their own larger fast ferries. Expect them on the water in a few months.

Hold your horses RK. We might be talking about different things here. I was talking about the large commercial operations which normal tourists go to. Last November 2018, I got to Batangas and was told that the fast ferry was the only option available. The lady at the counter said that Sabang Pier was permanently closed and that the bancas don't operate anymore. Muelle Pier was now the point of disembarkation. Here below is a picture of the ferry MV Golden Raptor at Batangas which I was about to board. There is also a picture of Muelle Pier. I have also attached a picture of Sabang Beach which shows the shit farm under construction (green canopy). This was where Sabang Pier was previously. When I pulled into Muelle Port, there were 3-4 abandoned Father and Son Lines bancas lined up on the shore. These boats used to take tourists.

Here is also a newspaper article link from August 2018 showing the shit farm under construction, so Sabang Pier was closed before that date.

http://www.puertodegalera.com/dpwh-g...-plants-of-pg/

[Bushes]

At least someone has long term and short term memory intact. NI Guy has been all over the boards. But some of the information given has changed. I still like to fly if have the pesos.

You have been planning this trip for a very long time (nearly a year now). I think we are all looking forward to reading the reports LOL.

[Red Kilt]

This has been the case for over a year now. I was there last year and the large ferries were the only option. The little pier at PG doesn't exist as that's where they are building the much needed shit farm. The disused bancas were all lined up on the shore, obviously with no where to go.

Not true ED. Please don't give incorrect information.

The embargo started on July 1.

I was there a few weeks ago in mid-June. Picked up by a pre-ordered banca on a beach in Batangas and straight across to El Galleon pontoon.

Many bancas were still plying the route. It's stopped now though although some resort owners are getting together to buy their own larger fast ferries. Expect them on the water in a few months.

[Goferring]

Don't beat me up but have been thinking about changing to go to Cebu & then around Mactan & close Islands - better option than a Sabang/ Angeles double?

NI

This is VERY do able. Cebu City has everything from sleazy bars on Mango Ave to high end discos and clubs where you can try your Game / luck. It also has what I consider the best online action in all of PI.

Some OKish beaches around town and some very nice places within a couple hours day trip or overnighter. BYO is easiest but again, many are there online. You just need to have a look. Alona, Malapascua, Moalboal are all very nice and girls would jump at the chance of going there for a day or two.

Enjoy. G.