Manila

[Member #4794]

Now she is asking money on the monthly basis...

If you are a fan of overpaying, paying for nothing / simping has to get your juices flowing.

[WestCoast1]

IMHO Lips is the best if you're also looking for the most attractive girls. They also have the most to choose from, which also helps with selection. However most any bar in the Burgos area can meet your needs on any given night.

Lips is also my fav. Next door is Maison bar, often with 60-100 girls. A short 1-2 minute walk up Burgos street is V-8 bar, smaller selection but attractive girls. Cost for any of these bars is about $200 all-in for the night (that pays the barfine, drinks in the bar, and the girl's tip in the morning). Please RTTF thru the Makati thread.

[HunterMonger]

Indeed, SA has become an escort site. Even some non pro girls are into PPM only and do not want any exclusive relation as this might bring down their monthly allowances from different Sds. Bygone are the days when mistresses were exclusive to one man, now almost every girl thinks its their right to see many men despite any man offering an exclusive relationship.

I think my sb is descent girl and she is just into me but I can see she is active on SA nearly everyday. That scares me. Even after spending good money I don't think that satisfies her monetary need.

SB is supposed to be something between a mistress and an escort. A mistress is supposed to be exclusive to you, available whenever you want and in return you support her almost completely. It is an open ended relationship with no fixed end date. A SB may not be exclusive (but can) and is usually a Short term contract. SB will spend more time with you and companionship is part of the expectations along with sex. We all know what escorts are.

However, after the advent of sites like SA, SB are much closer to escort than mistress. Hardly any are exclusive and many do PPM which is just another word for hooking. Years ago when I was sugaring there were genuine non pro girls who needed some financial help and acted as casual girlfriends on demand. That I think has gone the way of the 500 P LT.

[Houston Player]

I have one night layover, staying in a hotel in Makati. What is your opinion on the best place if I want to bring one (maybe two) girls back to my hotel for the whole night?

IMHO Lips is the best if you're also looking for the most attractive girls. They also have the most to choose from, which also helps with selection. However most any bar in the Burgos area can meet your needs on any given night.

[Expat American]

A question for the SB gents. I thought the idea behind SB is that SD's routinely provide the occasional between-meetups some flowers, money for nice clothes, or other nice items for the girl. Its almost like dating from afar, showing up in her town for occasional weekends, or alternately flying her into your town for trysts. I know two SB's in my country who describe it exactly as that. They have multiple 'clients' who pay them for their time a few days here and there, and the various clients provide other between-meet items such as money for rent, clothes, an evening out with her friends, paying utility bills, and so on. I get the feeling that those ladies would drop quickly any client who stopped giving money for her between-meetup needs.

Given this, I can understand HM's desire to send money while he is away; might not his SB in Phils legitimately expect it? If not, is she a SB, or simply an escort?

SB is supposed to be something between a mistress and an escort. A mistress is supposed to be exclusive to you, available whenever you want and in return you support her almost completely. It is an open ended relationship with no fixed end date. A SB may not be exclusive (but can) and is usually a Short term contract. SB will spend more time with you and companionship is part of the expectations along with sex. We all know what escorts are.

However, after the advent of sites like SA, SB are much closer to escort than mistress. Hardly any are exclusive and many do PPM which is just another word for hooking. Years ago when I was sugaring there were genuine non pro girls who needed some financial help and acted as casual girlfriends on demand. That I think has gone the way of the 500 P LT.

[WestCoast1]

Prices in Euros, roughly the same rate as USD:

I can add some input to this topic as I've been to a couple of FKKs in the past year and researched a few in Frankfurt.

Germany and more specifically Frankfurt are by far the best destination for FKKs still. FKK Sharks is regarded as the best. Prices have gone up with standard half hour service (no extras) being 70 or even more. Extras like BBBJ cost 50. I'm not familiar with any club in Europe offering BBFS. Club entrance fees have also gone up to around 95, think it is less at Sharks and the Frankfurt clubs.

The clubs I went to were Goldentime in Vienna and Sauna Club Prague. Goldentime in Vienna was great, although a little pricey with 30 minutes standard service starting at 100. I do love having drinks in a club surrounded by gorgeous naked women though, and would recommend that everyone here tries this experience at least once. It's a shame that quality of most clubs has gone downhill, as mentioned above there is a significant amount of Romanians in these clubs whose service is lacklustre. That's why selecting a good girl is key and not being pressured by the first girl who flirts with you. I remember walking into GT and straight away two Moldovan girls grabbing my arm and starting some heavy persuasion.

SNIP

My patience was rewarded at GT as I had an amazing time with a pale, auburn haired Hungarian who had an amazing natural body. She gave me an awesome GFE for 200.

Informative comparative post-covid post. I believe previous reports were of pre-covid. I contacted two non-euro mates who frequented the FKK's before covid. They also report to me that the girls started going condom before covid. The FKK's appear to be a god-send for Euros in the area who can get there on small coin, even at the higher recent prices reported by RPR. However, a scroll thru other Euro countries shows difficulties for mongers to find singular destinations like FKK clubs or asian gogo bars (or FL places), hunting down escort agencies, fake pictures, high prices (see my previous report quoting LKS2021, post #19932 in this thread).

For about $200 (100 entrance fee + 100 to the girl) you can enter an FKK and have 1 girl (and cross-euro beauties, even if its a short 30 minutes), then stay and have more girls in the same day for another $100. That same $300 for 2 FKK girls (1 hour total) can get you 1 girl in the US for an hour (covered only), but not necessarily a beauty (plan $500). For those outside the euro-zone, adding in flights / hotels makes asia look better (the Filipina goes to *your* place, its uncovered; AC = $75 for up to LT, or easily ST of several hours; Burgos = $200 for LT at your place; FL = $50-$100 for several hours or LT at your place). Asian girls also are *a bit more* akin to allowing pics: While there are more than 19,000 pics in the Phils PG, there are 139 PG pics for Germany, 138 for France, and 220 for the UK.

They are just different animals. Good work Rprogta.

[HunterMonger]

Thank you Westcoat1, Goffering, MrHC, them.

I find SA is bit tricky and its really difficult to find a SB whom you would love to spend time and have intimacy. Most of the girls are into Mechanical arrangements / PPM which I don't like at all.

Luckily, I found a lovely college girl who is 10/10 on looks and figure and want to be my GF forever but at the same time she needs money too. So keep insisting on sending some money till the time I visit her next time. Sometime for food, sometime for mother's health.

I know I will be sending money for nothing in return but hope all experienced SDs can understand how it is difficult and tiresome to find quality girl for the next time. I am active on SA for sometime only, all guidance and suggestions are appreciated from all senior members.

HM we have seen this issue before. There is not really a good way to send money internationally to someone without disclosing your personal info. Many governments don't allow it as they won't know who is sending money to terrorists. Remit services, and general transfer services (ie, Venmo or such) would require bank account info or full name info.

Another way to do it would be to remit the money in Phils to someone you trust, who would then GC or remit the money to your SB for you.

[NRandom940]

I have one night layover, staying in a hotel in Makati. What is your opinion on the best place if I want to bring one (maybe two) girls back to my hotel for the whole night?

[WestCoast1]

At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.

All suggestions are welcome.

HM we have seen this issue before. There is not really a good way to send money internationally to someone without disclosing your personal info. Many governments don't allow it as they won't know who is sending money to terrorists. Remit services, and general transfer services (ie, Venmo or such) would require bank account info or full name info.

Another way to do it would be to remit the money in Phils to someone you trust, who would then GC or remit the money to your SB for you.

[WestCoast1]

Like Expat American says, this is a bad idea. I can guarantee you she is fucking other men right now, as well as getting cash from other guys who are not in-country. Do you really want to supplement some other guy's pussy access?

Not to jump into the question of the stupidity of pre-paying from out-of-towners. But as SB's are simply escorts con simps, isn't it understood by everyone that they are with multiple guys?

Sorry if I offend anyone and I shouldn't generalise but Sugar Daddies seem to be the biggest simps on the planet and happy to be lead by the nose where ever girls want to take them usually at $100's a time.

I find two kinds of SD's:

1) Some SD's are simps, who will do anything to get (and stay) near a young beauty. No level of groveling is too low. Simps may or may not be SD's.

2) Richer fellas for whom money is not an issue, and does not keep them up at night if they lose it. For example, he is about to overnight with a new SB for $8,000 USD. During the evening she unfortunately gets her mens. Many gents might be upset with that (especially #1 above), but not our guy. He's fine having a nice dinner with her, some wine, and a movie maybe. Then to the hotel to sleep with nearly naked young beauty, and turn her loose in the morning with her $8 K prize. He can easily book a $1,000 girl for a ST the same day. He will look forward to bagging the $8 k girl later, to possibly include sending her flowers and chocolates with a note telling her to feel better and contact him soon for a repeat. No groveling required.

A question for the SB gents. I thought the idea behind SB is that SD's routinely provide the occasional between-meetups some flowers, money for nice clothes, or other nice items for the girl. Its almost like dating from afar, showing up in her town for occasional weekends, or alternately flying her into your town for trysts. I know two SB's in my country who describe it exactly as that. They have multiple 'clients' who pay them for their time a few days here and there, and the various clients provide other between-meet items such as money for rent, clothes, an evening out with her friends, paying utility bills, and so on. I get the feeling that those ladies would drop quickly any client who stopped giving money for her between-meetup needs.

Given this, I can understand HM's desire to send money while he is away; might not his SB in Phils legitimately expect it? If not, is she a SB, or simply an escort?

[Goferring]

In the words of the Shark Tank's Mr. Wonderful: "I forbid you from paying her any money until you are balls deep!" (Ok, I may have paraphrased those words a bit. : p).

Here's a Shark Tank pitch for you: Happy Kat's Mongering Escrow Services.

You could provide anonymous payments for buffaloes' vet bills and younger sisters' college fees.

You could even offer executive packages confirming that Daddy's monthly stipends do actually result in services being delivered in full.

It's a win-win. You keep a skim off the top and get to fuck Princess on his dime too.

You could be quite busy if John, Frank and Geoff are all her one true love at the same time. I'm sure you are up to the task.

Let me know how you go. I'm happy to provide occasional contracting services when required. I'll plead guilty to being a side dick several times, having had to fuck out of frame when Daddy calls at the most inopportune time.

Cheers. G.

[Goferring]

Why do you want to pay her while you are not there? Don't do it.

I'll go one step further: why is he even talking to her while he is away? What purpose does that serve beyond more opportunities for her grandma to get sick and a few buffaloes to go lame.

My favourite comeback for requests for money while John is away is "I'll be back in XXX. Will you still need money then?

As an aside, I've never had a girl refuse to see me when I'm back in country because I didn't send her cash while I was away.

All "my" girls know that I'm generous while in country but that making contact while I'm home serves no purpose.

Enjoy. G.

Sorry if I offend anyone and I shouldn't generalise but Sugar Daddies seem to be the biggest simps on the planet and happy to be lead by the nose where ever girls want to take them usually at $100's a time.

[MrHappyKat]

I am just wondering about the best anonymous way to pay regular SB. On the initial visit I paid her in cash, Now she is asking money on the monthly basis but I am away and not going to visit for few months.

At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.

All suggestions are welcome.

Like Expat American says, this is a bad idea. I can guarantee you she is fucking other men right now, as well as getting cash from other guys who are not in-country. Do you really want to supplement some other guy's pussy access?

I've been doing sugar dating for over 10 years. The single most important lesson I've learned in that time is no cash without pussy. Ever. Even if she tells you (and she will!) that you will get a freebie with you return, she will forget that promise the moment you land at the airport.

In the words of the Shark Tank's Mr. Wonderful: "I forbid you from paying her any money until you are balls deep!" (Ok, I may have paraphrased those words a bit. : p).

[Expat American]

I am just wondering about the best anonymous way to pay regular SB. On the initial visit I paid her in cash, Now she is asking money on the monthly basis but I am away and not going to visit for few months.

At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.

All suggestions are welcome.

Why do you want to pay her while you are not there? Don't do it.

[HunterMonger]

SA Manila can be hit and miss.

I had all set up before landing in Manila, even with a backup option.

Both the girls were amazing and confirmed with the video call but they changed their mind after I landed. I guess It also depends on the girls you chose.

BTW how did you find girls on reddit.

I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th to Feb 17th and am also interested in a sb. I've contacted a few girls from Reddit, but am unsure wether it's worth getting a SA membership.