Manila

[Abhi9]

That is typical for dive shops, resorts, and hotels in the Philippines. You may have to call them. I booked a shop in Bohol some years ago. When I got there they did not have my reservation. I showed them a copy of all the emails back and forth of me telling them what kind of room I wanted and what dives I wanted to do. They sent me back the price and I said okay. The fucking ladyboy said I did not RECONFIRM. I asked what kind of bullshit is that? How many times do we have to go back and forth about me wanting a room and to dive with your shop? Too many times it is just pure incompetence in that country.

Thanks Mr E. Let me call them and inquire once again. Also as ED mentioned, I will try and keep an extra day just to roam around and checkout the dive shops.

The 4 k barfine is actually 2 k barfine payable before leaving and 2 k tip paid to the girl after finished. As a new face, you will be asked but do not pay the full 4 k upfront. This is generally LT but agree with the girl on services and time before leaving. Most are pretty good on not trying to do a one pop runner but it does happen, more so in the K (or now Chinese) dominated bars.

Freelancers come and go depending on the local attitudes. There are regular sweeps which clear the FLsNo need to be nervous about the GoGo process. It's very simple. Just walk in, sit down and order a drink. If you see or are offered a girl (s) you like then you can by her a lady drink and talk a little to see if you are comparable. There is no need to buy all her friends drinks. If you like her, pay 2 k to release her from the bar then another 2 k after you have finished in your room. Don't feel like you are under pressure. It perfectly acceptable to not buy any LDs if you don't see anyone you like or buy a LD and then not bar fine if you don't want to take it further. For your first night you might want to have a drink in every bar just to get the vibe of the place and see which bar (s) you like the best. You could easily cover every bar in Sabang in a couple o
Enjoy. G.

I would avoid staying at Big Apple. But as you mentioned, it might be a good place to sit around for drinks and look out for potential FLs. I might want to choose a better place to stay and dive. Also thanks for giving me confidence on GOGOs. Looks like this is an experience I must have. I will try in Sabang as well as in Manilla. Hope to beat some Koreans to find a stunner LOL. But yes will go easy and display confidence. That newbie look gets you conned most of the times.

tition from cashed up Koreans is crap.Why maybe my last trip. Partly judging hassle of getting there, judging perf vs money (other places are much cheaper) and been there done that. Doing a Manila- Angeles. Sabang - Manila ( Burgos ) trip in Dec so stay tuned for lengthy reports. Unfort in Sabang if you are not diving not much to do. I mean young guys can fuck all day. I can't. LOL.

Looking forward for some crazy reports from your end NI. I would do the same once I finish my trip. I love to write descriptive reports. Thanks to all the folks who shared their valuable inputs.

Please send us a report and some pictures of the new shitfarm. It might have been commissioned by the time you go. I'm very interested.

Definitely ED. Will try and share as many reports and images as possible.

[Sidtip]

5. What is the possibility of getting a decent looking freelancer below 30 yrs of age and making her stay with me for 3-4 days at a lesser price. I am not a variety seeking person. If a decent looking hygienic girl can give me a good GFE, I won't mind repeating her for a few days. I am stressing on this because I am currently inexperienced in picking girls through GOGO's. I am quite presentable and certainly not a cheap charlie but no past GOGO experience that's all.

Don't do this. You will form an attachment and start sending her money once you go home. I speak from experience. Men are weak, men are idiots.

[Tachibana]

Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.

Comes down to your judgement call. If she truly is just a regular mom then I would say risk of contracting something is manageable. But I would never go bareback with a working girl, not worth it for me. But there are tons of mongerers who frequently or exclusively play bareback. And also the more reprehensible ones who coerce their girls (often uneducated on the risks) into doing it with them.

Think about it this way, do you really want to be sharing a girl bareback with one of those bareback allstars who has himself pounded over a hundred working girls? With 6 degrees of separation you can bet your last dime somewhere along the line there is HIV and though the risk of transmission from one interaction is low, ask yourself if its worth it.

[El Ted]

Run fast and run far.

Guys,

Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom.

Si.

[PilotPaul]

Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.

Life is a game and there are no guarantees. I had one former lovely 24 year old that after a few months discovered that she had Hep be since birth. Fortunately I had previously had a full Hep be vac course.

As a regular Filipina fucker for many years I was always using a condom until one girl convinced me that if I was serious on her, then it's without a condom. She already had one child and she was meticulously taking contraception pill. Was with her for two+ years.

As disciplined as I try to be, it is just so much better going BB with a trusted partner.

During my time in Ph I had 2 rounds of STI which were cured on home soil, 1 time was my straying, the 2nd time as my 'trusted' partner playing away from home.

Of greatest concern for me would be contraception.

PP.

[NewImage]

Re Sabang: Big Apple. Sabang central. Good place to sit & peruse. Food for me ok. Shithole is a bit rough IMO. We've all been in worse. Don't book before you go. See what's available when you get there dive wise. Negotiate one against another when you are there- best deal wins or one you feel most comfortable with.

GFE will be your biggest hassle. Not all bars are created equal. Not that many doable FL ers around when I was there. You WILL have to pay for quality GFE. But negotiate with girl for extended rental. Keep eye out during the day for pre work and post work WG sessions. Why pay 4000 when you can get for 2000. Need to get into the habit of interviewing and negotiating. Just do it. Lay down the ground rules and expected behaviours. Be prepared to walk if you get negative feedback. There are PLENTY.

Re Burgos / Manila. Let Wechat etc be your friend. Not a fan of dating sites. A lot changes in a day. Sit in a cafe. They come to you- you interview and negotiate.

Re money. When you get to 80 would you rather have an extra 50 k in your bank account or great memories of the hot 19 year olds that you fucked in the Philippines? (Now 50 k US = 2,500,000 peso = 625 bar fines at 4000 peso each LOL).

NI.

[Si6798]

Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.

[Goferring]

there is no way the Big Apple will meet your expectations. It is a run down shit hole

I'd agree the Big Apple is a shit hole but it's a shit hole with character and its location is hard to beat with access to all the bars, freelancers, floating bars and daily conveniences less than a 5 minute walk away. Anything can and does go in the bar, hotel and pool so if the OP want to be entertained, give it consideration; if he wants a vanilla flavoured safe haven then you are right and he should give it a miss.

2. There are six massage parlours in Sabang, all Korean owned. They are completely legitimate and don't offer any extras.

Very true for us visitors who may shoot off our mouths and get the girls fired. Long term Resident Dive Masters / Instructors often get Full Service.

4. You will find freelancers of varying standards walking up and down the pathway outside Big Apple. If one catches your eye, just grab her. 2,500 per night should be enough. You may also try PL or FC.

During the day there are a lot of bar girls walking around town meeting friends and doing their chores. Many can be convinced to drop by for a pre work ST. Again, the front barstools at the Big Apple make a good vantage spot to see everyone walking by as you have a drink or meal.

6. Sabang exists for the Koreans and Chinese, more so than AC. You just have to stay focused on your own task and not be distracted.

Unfortunately this is becoming more and more the case over time. The result has been an increase in the number of very good looking girls but a decrease in service standards and the overall "fun" atmosphere.

7. Your budget may be a bit tight. I would always bring more money.

That can be said about any and every mongering holiday. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[Engine Driver]

Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.
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This whole discussion belongs in the "Other Areas" thread, not the Manila thread. Perhaps Abhi would be kind enough to shift it.

1. If you are coming from India, there is no way the Big Apple will meet your expectations. It is a run down shit hole, full of old drunks and toothless hags. It will suit poor Aussie, working class or pensioner mongers. The British dive master and the Australian owner of the Big Apple are alcoholics. You should avoid this place. Why not go to Sabang a day early and check out the dive shops before handing over your money? Interview the dive master, check out the equipment and get a feel for the place. Some dive places are exclusively Korean or Chinese.

2. There are six massage parlours in Sabang, all Korean owned. They are completely legitimate and don't offer any extras. Best to not even ask as you may look foolish. Many of the girls have Korean boyfriends. The best massage I had in Sabang was by the lady that threads beads and weaves bracelets. She has a stall on the ground outside one of the hotels. If she asks "Massage Sir?" just say yes.

3. You won't need any transport in Sabang. Everything you need is no more than 300 meters away.

4. You will find freelancers of varying standards walking up and down the pathway outside Big Apple. If one catches your eye, just grab her. 2,500 per night should be enough. You may also try PL or FC.

5. If you want to go to the bikini bars, start lining up at 5. 30 pm. The doors open at 6. 00 pm. By 6. 01 pm, the Koreans have grabbed all the hottest girls. At 6. 02 pm half the club will be empty. Only the ugly ones or those on menstruation duty will be left.

6. Sabang exists for the Koreans and Chinese, more so than AC. You just have to stay focused on your own task and not be distracted.

7. Your budget may be a bit tight. I would always bring more money.

Please send us a report and some pictures of the new shitfarm. It might have been commissioned by the time you go. I'm very interested.

[NewImage]

Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.
definitely New Image (If you hadn't posted so many queries on Sabang, this thread wouldn't be having enough information for noobs like me). You guys have literally shared an ocean of information which is very different from Indian threads where information is shared within closed circles as Law Enforcement is strict and new mongers are quite irresponsible. I would love to help you all unconditionally if you ever plan to travel to New Delhi or Bangalore.

I ask lots of questions cause knowledge is power and when I am there I write lengthy reports to help others. Eg So you want to bang bang Sabang reports Hopefully people appreciate.

In response Sabang would be your go to place for diving & girls. Yes now its harder to get to because they won't allow bancas direct to Sabang port but they go to Muelle (Port Gal) or white beach. A quick trike ride and you are at bang bang Sabang.
Yes bar fines are 4000 (pretty expensive for Phil) but you can negotiate after work or before work meetings. Unfort perf is not great BUT I found a very good provider and we had wonderful GFE time together.As people said Sabang is small you can walk everywhere which I like. I stay 2 minutes walk from bars and dive shops. Diving is excellent and cheap. Food good, accom good but competition from cashed up Koreans is crap.Why maybe my last trip. Partly judging hassle of getting there, judging perf vs money (other places are much cheaper) and been there done that. Doing a Manila- Angeles. Sabang - Manila ( Burgos ) trip in Dec so stay tuned for lengthy reports. Unfort in Sabang if you are not diving not much to do. I mean young guys can fuck all day. I can't. LOL.

[Goferring]

Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.

If you are looking for cheap, girl friendly accommodation with onsite dive training it's hard to go past Big Apple. Don't expect luxury. It's getting quite run down but it's in a fantastic location right in the centre of the activity, has everything onsite and is the meeting place for all the freelancers in town. Booking both rooms and training via their website is reliable.

There are spas and massage places peppered all through town. All offer the same quality and level of services and are unlikely to include "extras". Most masseuses are well trained and capable but if you find one you especially like then you can request her by name in follow up visits. Often they will do hotel / room visits but will charge more.

E is right. Sabang is small. All of it and 3 of the nearby bays are all within easy walking distance. Many trikes are available for runs in to Puerto Galera should you want or need to go. Same for the waterfalls. You can hire a motorbike if you want but they are notorious for ripping people off with fake damage scams etc so take the usual precautions if you use one for a longer trip. You certainly don't need one for daily use though.

The 4 k barfine is actually 2 k barfine payable before leaving and 2 k tip paid to the girl after finished. As a new face, you will be asked but do not pay the full 4 k upfront. This is generally LT but agree with the girl on services and time before leaving. Most are pretty good on not trying to do a one pop runner but it does happen, more so in the K (or now Chinese) dominated bars.

Freelancers come and go depending on the local attitudes. There are regular sweeps which clear the FLs out when the bars tire of all the competition but a month or so later they are all back. Just check local conditions when you are actually there. If you don't see any in Big Apple, then they have been cleared out of town. Keeping one for a few days even "rolling" barfining someone from a bar will be no problem. Cost savings over just a couple of days will be minimal.

No need to be nervous about the GoGo process. It's very simple. Just walk in, sit down and order a drink. If you see or are offered a girl (s) you like then you can by her a lady drink and talk a little to see if you are comparable. There is no need to buy all her friends drinks. If you like her, pay 2 k to release her from the bar then another 2 k after you have finished in your room. Don't feel like you are under pressure. It perfectly acceptable to not buy any LDs if you don't see anyone you like or buy a LD and then not bar fine if you don't want to take it further. For your first night you might want to have a drink in every bar just to get the vibe of the place and see which bar (s) you like the best. You could easily cover every bar in Sabang in a couple of hours and then return to your favorite (s). Again, this is all on foot.

The bars do start early. Some at just 6 pm and are notorious for being emptied of all the stunners by Koreans by 6:15. This should not concern you as the girls involved are very K or Chinese focused and generally give hopeless and only ST service anyway. Just go, have a look but act quick should you find someone you like.

As a newbie, in Manila for a day or two, with a 10 k budget, just go to Burgos. It has many beautiful and service focused girls who will show you a great time. Internet or freelance girls are less than half of that but you don't have time to sort the good from the bad.

Enjoy. G.

[Mr Enternational]

1. A good dive centre that offers a certification. Ideally not too expensive. I sent an email to the centre that Mr E had shared but there was no response from their end. I don't mind staying at the same place if their accommodation is girl friendly.

That is typical for dive shops, resorts, and hotels in the Philippines. You may have to call them. I booked a shop in Bohol some years ago. When I got there they did not have my reservation. I showed them a copy of all the emails back and forth of me telling them what kind of room I wanted and what dives I wanted to do. They sent me back the price and I said okay. The fucking ladyboy said I did not RECONFIRM. I asked what kind of bullshit is that? How many times do we have to go back and forth about me wanting a room and to dive with your shop? Too many times it is just pure incompetence in that country.

2. A good spa: Would love to go for a good massage and sauna after diving through the day.

3. Local commute: What is the best mode to commute locally without spending a lot. I read about bike rentals. Can someone point me towards a good operator.

5. What is the possibility of getting a decent looking freelancer below 30 yrs of age and making her stay with me for 3-4 days at a lesser price.

What you are not realizing is that Sabang is a really small place. No idea how many massage places are there because I did not use any. But if I had to guess, then I would say 2. Not really anyone to point you to to rent a bike. You just walk down the street and see who has them for rent. The only reason we rented one was to drive to see the waterfall. After that, we drove over to White Beach to see it and eat, then came back and turned it in. Any other place that you may go in the town will only be a short walk.

If you are looking for FL then I suggest you bring one with you from Manila. I am not sure if such a thing exists in Sabang. Before I went, I met a nonpro on DateInAsia that made the trip with me.

To give you a better idea of the place, imagine a seashore, part of it having a beach. Right behind that shore are hills and mountains. There is a small road carved into those mountains that contain grocery store, a couple of restaurants, a couple of bars, i.e. things that make a town run. That is pretty much Sabang. Even the dive resort that I stayed in is right on the shore, but to get to your room you have to walk up a bunch of steps because the mountain comes right up from the seashore. Farther down the shore is a beach with white sand hence the name White Beach. There were a couple of bars and restaurants and hotels on the White Beach side as well. I don't think you can walk there down the shore. You have to go around and through the mountains to get on that side.

[Abhi9]

Couple of months ago I was wondering which destination to travel to in SEA. Aim was to get my Open Water Padi Certification and obviously, some beautiful Filipinos to goof around with.

I reached out to Mr E, Goferring, Transporter and a few other folks asking for advice and most of them responded immediately. Surprisingly, all 3 of them gave me the same suggestion I. E. Sabang. Initially I was a little sceptical due to the high priced flights during my travel dates and decided not to go further with it. But I read through some of the posts on Sabang and realized that I should rather change my travel dates or increase my budget a little to ensure that I visit Sabang, since it is definitely one of the best place to learn diving. I am visiting in the 1st week of January and needed help on some of the below queries. Some may argue that I am reaching out too early but I really want to make all reservations and plan my itinerary at least 2 months in advance.

1. A good dive centre that offers a certification. Ideally not too expensive. I sent an email to the centre that Mr E had shared but there was no response from their end. I don't mind staying at the same place if their accommodation is girl friendly.

2. A good spa: Would love to go for a good massage and sauna after diving through the day. Some authentic spas that offers variety of treatments, scrubs, etc. Won't mind an upscale one also. Extras would be a delight but certainly not expected from such a setup.

3. Local commute: What is the best mode to commute locally without spending a lot. I read about bike rentals. Can someone point me towards a good operator.

4. I read a few reports stating that there are multiple Gogo's in Sabang where the ongoing BF rates are around 4 k. Is this just the bar fine or is it inclusive of ST / LT? I won't ask which bar which girl since most of the information is already shared and I know people hate spoon feeding.

5. What is the possibility of getting a decent looking freelancer below 30 yrs of age and making her stay with me for 3-4 days at a lesser price. I am not a variety seeking person. If a decent looking hygienic girl can give me a good GFE, I won't mind repeating her for a few days. I am stressing on this because I am currently inexperienced in picking girls through GOGO's. I am quite presentable and certainly not a cheap charlie but no past GOGO experience that's all.

6. Lastly, I am thinking to spend a day or 2 in Manilla as well. Thinking to avoid AC as I don't want to waste time traveling. Really want to meet a stunner for long time who can ensure a great GFE. I am willing to spend up to 8-10 k PHP for such an experience. Again a ton of information available on the Manilla thread, just need time to process all that. But any existing free lancer contact would be an added bonus. Otherwise I will RTFF and try my luck in Burgos st.

Hoping to get some valuable pointers and sorry for such a long query. But I don't shy away from accepting the fact that I am a noob when it comes to Philippines and want to be fully prepared to ensure I have more hits than misses. Overall trip budget is around 65-70 k php for 6 days excluding flights.

Special thanks to EngineDriver, Natty, Mr E, Transporter, Goferring, Soapy and definitely New Image (If you hadn't posted so many queries on Sabang, this thread wouldn't be having enough information for noobs like me). You guys have literally shared an ocean of information which is very different from Indian threads where information is shared within closed circles as Law Enforcement is strict and new mongers are quite irresponsible. I would love to help you all unconditionally if you ever plan to travel to New Delhi or Bangalore.

[QuackUp]

The premium bus that picked us up actually had a designated stop one island before the t to t stop but at least now, people know about it. I stayed in Cairns and one all day tour was with sea-star. This was a good company but the food kind of sucked. They provide all the gear. I only snorkel but you can also dive with them, but cost more. I also took a half day tour but I can't remember the name of the company. This tour was just okay, but I didn't want to be out all day that day.

[BusyDiver]

Staying one night here in Eastwood area any suggestions for local place near or best place.

In the mall for pickups? Thank you.