Manila

[Gentleman Travel]

I will be coming to the Philippines for the first time in one month, mostly to do a project in a small city in north Luzon, but will have a couple of days in Manila at the beginning and end of my contract.

I have a bunch of leads on non-pros from Filipino Cupid and have some questions about how to handle that, but first I want to figure out where to stay in Manila to maximize my limited time there.

I will be arrive late at night and hope I have enough energy (after a very long flight) to experience a bit of the nightlife and have a quick BJ somewhere. I saw someone mention Flight 168, which sounds like it might fill the bill.

But I gather there are not actual BJ bars like there are in Bangkok?

I am NOT looking to take a pro back to my hotel that night, I don't think I will have the energy. Just want a quick blow & go. Any advice other than Flight 168? I am also interested in seeing the seedy side of Manila nightlife. Should I go to P Burgos Street?

I am thinking of staying in Makita or down by the bay (like Ermita). Any suggestions?

Day Two I hope to connect with one of my FC contacts and go for more of a GFE. I guess a nice lunch and some shopping then back to my hotel for a swim. Will the girls be impressed / receptive to a nice hotel? Or does that set me up as an easy mark? In some places "normal girls" are really excited to experience a nice hotel and nice meals, and it really makes it a fun experience for them. Is this a good strategy for FC girls in Manila?

Then I go up-country for two weeks but have a few days at the end back in or near Manila. I was thinking of going to a beach resort somewhere within an hour or so of Manila. Any suggestions?

And of course I would offer for my new Manila GF to join me there. In fact, my Day Two date (s) could essentially be an interview process for which lucky girl gets to join me at a beach resort later.

Any comments / suggestions on this strategy?

BTW I am over 50 looking to hook up with 25 year old girls.

Thanks for any advice.

GT.

[Mango King]

The pros typically have little or no description of what they want. The term "open minded" typically is used by pros to indicate they are pros but also by GG to indicate they want / expect a gift. However 2 of my GG had empty profiles and refused gifts so it's by no means consistent.

In general profiles which say "serious" are the GG. About 50% of the GG I dated in Manila and Cebu jumped in bed the first date. The rest required 2 dates, though there were 2 first dates with different GG that I had no interest in bedding and never had a 2nd date.

It was not easy trying to guess in advance which girls where first date in bed vs second date in bed. Scheduling and guessing when to expect a girl in bed was very time consuming, but after the first time it was awesome being able to pick and choose which hottie to come over. So lots of upfront work but easy after that.

This was very inventive. I have thought of doing something like this, but I am too cheap to pay for an account!

One question that has always intrigued me: how often did your pros and semi pros have profiles that said that they were "looking for serious", "not looking for a rich man" or " not here for fun", etc. I personally pay no attention to these disclaimers in arranging dates in Manila, but I have never actually figured out whether the stated profiles have any relationship to reality. I suspect you have a very good feel for this now.

A related question is that when you went out with a "GG", how often did you end up having sex on the first date? Do these girls need to feel that you are potentially marriage material (or at least long term boyfriend material) before giving you access to their pants?

It would be great to have a more scientific approach to the PL or DIA profile. I have never tried FC, but I am interested in knowing if someone like me (who is never there more than 3 days at a time) should give FC a try.

Thanks, F.

[AmericanThief]

Going to Ortigas in Pasig to play poker at Metro for a couple of weeks during Christmas. I've been to Makati twice before around burgos, but as I understand Ortigas is on the affluent side and girls there have their own money. I know Entertainment Complex and Burgos is about an hour by taxi, so what do you suggest for girls in that area? I want to avoid online and apps as they just spin my wheels for nothing.

[Soapy Smith]

I think not, but thanks for the suggestion. I found your post interesting and humorous. While I share the pleasure of going down on girls that I am attracted to, I will continue to bypass your circuitous route on the tummy troubled ones. 555. Stay thirsty Soapy Smith and Rock On!

Thanks Natty, and don't let any Huron Indians sneak up on you.

[Member #4643]

This was very inventive. I have thought of doing something like this, but I am too cheap to pay for an account!

One question that has always intrigued me: how often did your pros and semi pros have profiles that said that they were "looking for serious", "not looking for a rich man" or " not here for fun", etc. I personally pay no attention to these disclaimers in arranging dates in Manila, but I have never actually figured out whether the stated profiles have any relationship to reality. I suspect you have a very good feel for this now.

A related question is that when you went out with a "GG", how often did you end up having sex on the first date? Do these girls need to feel that you are potentially marriage material (or at least long term boyfriend material) before giving you access to their pants?

It would be great to have a more scientific approach to the PL or DIA profile. I have never tried FC, but I am interested in knowing if someone like me (who is never there more than 3 days at a time) should give FC a try.

Thanks, F.

I spent about 3 weeks in Manila and Cebu. I started working on some long term prospects for this trip about 3 weeks out using FC. As usual FC is almost all GG looking for serious. About 10 days before leaving for Manila I fired up PL and used 2 different accounts / profiles both paid. Each account had a different "marketing strategy". The first was targeted at girls looking for a BF / serious relationship. The other profile was strictly trolling for one night stand girls. I did this so I could mix my schedule with both types of girls and have a better idea of what to expect from a girl when I chatted her. This worked pretty well, though there was some definite cross-overs between the accounts. I had some P4P girls chat me on my "serious" account and GG girls on my one night stand account. Mostly it worked though.

[Member #4698]

Here's a perverse idea for anybody confronted with your first glimpse of a woman's stretch marks: just think of them as a route map for licking. Start with the most obvious one, and run your tongue slowly from one end of the mark to the other. Then go on to the next stretch mark, or perhaps one on the other side of her torso. When she asks what you're doing, tell her you're licking your way along her stretch marks because they make a great roadmap to her heart (or her puki, or her clit, or whatever comes to mind).

I think not, but thanks for the suggestion. I found your post interesting and humorous. While I share the pleasure of going down on girls that I am attracted to, I will continue to bypass your circuitous route on the tummy troubled ones. 555. Stay thirsty Soapy Smith and Rock On!

[Mango King]

I spent about 3 weeks in Manila and Cebu. I started working on some long term prospects for this trip about 3 weeks out using FC. As usual FC is almost all GG looking for serious. About 10 days before leaving for Manila I fired up PL and used 2 different accounts / profiles both paid. Each account had a different "marketing strategy". The first was targeted at girls looking for a BF / serious relationship. The other profile was strictly trolling for one night stand girls. I did this so I could mix my schedule with both types of girls and have a better idea of what to expect from a girl when I chatted her. This worked pretty well, though there was some definite cross-overs between the accounts. I had some P4P girls chat me on my "serious" account and GG girls on my one night stand account. Mostly it worked though.

I also used Tinder in Manila a few times. Mainly for experimenting. As reported elsewhere there are many LBs, but some definite stunners. I had one tinder girl offer P4P but was asking 4 K for massage and "GFE" which was just kissing and BJ. When I asked for FS she said no, so I didn't follow-up. She did send a naked pick and she was very hot! I chatted another girl from tinder who seemed great but when I popped the question asking if she was LB I got no response. I did hit the jackpot on 1 girl from Tinder in Cebu. She was one of my 2 top girls from this trip and a definite repeater.

Day 1.

Arrived Manila at 11 pm. A few days prior to arrival I contacted Fe based on a fellow ISG member recommendation. Fe shows up at midnight and is just as her pictures show. 5 ft 4 in and very slim. No boobs (flat as an iron), but great ass and very cute.

I had pre-negotiated overnight, multiple rounds, etc for 5 k. More than usual but given the late night arrangements I wanted to insure she delivered. We had one pretty good, but not best ever round and then she takes a shower and puts her clothes on. I re-iterate our agreement and she says she thought it was just for once. She agrees to one more round and then she leaves. I gave her 4 k. Still too much. Would not repeat.

Day 2.

Have a Good Girl (GG) date lined up for 7 pm. We meet and have dinner, but she can't stay. Back to PL and find An (P4 P). She comes over about 1. 5 HR later. Slim, A+ boobs, modest face. Great body. Super friendly, funny, and knows how to please. Really enjoys it. Multiple rounds. She stays overnight. 4 k gift.

Day 3.

Met a GG on PL about 2 weeks prior named are. 33 yo, 4 ft11 in, nice be boobs with giant nipples. A few more pounds than I normally like but not fat. This girl has not had sex in 4 years. She's only slept with 2 Filipino's and both had no idea or desire to please a woman. She was super horny. Really wanted to try all different positions. Loved "learning' things like how to give a proper BJ. She got really really good at it!

Spent a week with are and had some amazing time in bed. She had the sexiest voice I've ever heard too. Completely drained me!

Day 10.

Meet up with another GG I had been chatting on / off with for 1+ year. Never met in person. Finally meet her after work at Mall of Asia. She only has 1 HR so we just talk. Try to convince her to come back to my condo but she has no time due to her son.

After she leaves back on PL, Tinder, and go through my previous contacts. Few choices but finally decided on Camille from PL. Pre-negociate 3 k for 4 HR (she can't overnight) and multiple rounds. She shows up and she's definitely older than her pics. Maybe 28. Blond, 5 ft3 in, slim but not bones. Very shy. Takes a bit of work to get her in bed, but once there she enjoys a very solid, but quiet round. She had a full Bush which was a bit of a turnoff, but then again I hadn't see such a forest in years so it was cool to try one again. She leaves after 1 round claiming I was the first foreigner and my equipment was too large. Yeah right. Would not repeat.

Day 11.

An from earlier in the trip had told me she does lesbian with a friend. I ask for pics and her friend looks great. I'm promised a full lesbian threesome. Both girls show up and her friend is indeed very cute and sexy. Cherry is 4 ft11 in, A boobs, great ass, some small belly, and a pretty face. Once in bed it's apparent they have only done "lesbian" a few times and are very shy about it. Finally An goes down on Cherry for a few minutes and then it's all about me. We did multiple rounds in lots of positions and it was actually really really good despite the lack of lesbian action. The girls are both fun and enjoyed themselves. Best threesome I've had in a while. Would definitely repeat.

Day 12.

Had a date arranged with a GG from PL for 7 pm. She flaked. Too bad because she was 25 and a real stunner. Messages me at 7:30 pm saying she just woke up and it's too late to come over now. Fortunately I had learned my lesson from earlier flakes and had a backup. Had arranged a 10 pm meet with a 22 yo college girl named Josie from PL who "really really need money for school". Messaged her to come early and she was at my condo by 8:45 pm. She was even better than her pics. About 5 ft2 in, not an ounce of fat. Flat stomach, beautiful be sized boobs, and a pretty face. After a few drinks she jumps me and an epic night begins. She is very enthusiastic. Round one is great. DATY her until she cums, a brief rest and then I hope on for a really tight mish session that I only last a few minutes for. After that she gets sleepy. We go 2 more rounds through the night. For some reason she won't let me touch her pussy again. She is tired and horny. She wants to fuck before she gets wet which I find unpleasant. I like a woman not like the saharra desert in a drought. So it was interesting combination of her being horny but not very wet. Sorta like me sometimes when I'm "empty" and have trouble getting hard even though I'm horny.

Would definitely see her again if I thought she wasn't going to be tired. Gave her 4 k for overnight.

Day 13.

Had afternoon session booked with 2 college girls offering non-lesbian threesome. Both girls where slim and 21 yo. Negociated 8 k total with them. I canceled though due to being too tired. What a shame!

Continued in the Cebu forum.

[Soapy Smith]

In my first experiences in the Philippines about a dozen years ago I gradually became aware that some Filipinas did, and some did not, have stretch marks. Childbirth seemed to be the most obvious explanation. But I also began to find that the quality of sex was, on average, better with women who had stretch marks than with women without them. So those without stretch marks had not given birth, and I sometimes found their tight little vaginas just too snug for having an experience that was good for both of us. Some men complain about women whose vaginas are stretched from childbirth. Not me, especially not with Filipinas, whose body size is usually comparatively smaller than Western women.

One explanation is that the more accommodating vagina is the result of childbirth. Another possibility is that women who have borne children just simply relax more easily during sex. So maybe a little of both. One of the best GF experiences I ever had was with a woman I met in LAC. She had had a child or two and was a little chubby. I took her inspite of her chub because she was bubbly, friendly, conversational, and probably worked harder than other women to get me to take her. We showered together, and I just threw all my inhibitions to the wind about her appearance. (She wasn't ugly, she had nice boobs, a nice face, and was a little chubby.) I brought her to a rousing "O" with my tongue. She thanked me profusely. The sex was great. Lots of genuine sounds, serious affectionate effort on her part to please me, and just downright good sex. We just simply moved well together.

Afterwards, during some relaxed "afterglow," she described her situation. She had a couple kids, the father had left her, and so she had to come to Manila a couple times a week to get money for their survival. She said that she often gets wet on the bus ride in from Cavite because she anticipates having sex. She was not getting any sex in her community, probably because Filipino men wanted nothing to do with a woman with kids, and because she was chubby. In fairness to her, she was chubby, but not really fat. I suspect I responded to her friendly approach to me in the bar with words that made her feel safe with me. So by the time we got to my room, she was as eager to have sex as I was. These are conditions for great sex, and in my thinking they outweigh any concerns about stretch marks or tummy fat.

Here's a perverse idea for anybody confronted with your first glimpse of a woman's stretch marks: just think of them as a route map for licking. Start with the most obvious one, and run your tongue slowly from one end of the mark to the other. Then go on to the next stretch mark, or perhaps one on the other side of her torso. When she asks what you're doing, tell her you're licking your way along her stretch marks because they make a great roadmap to her heart (or her puki, or her clit, or whatever comes to mind). Most Filipinas have a great sense of humor, and will probably laugh their asses off. When this happens, get your hand under her ass, roll her over, and start on the stretch marks on her ass. You could also tell her you have a route map or two on your body that you'd like her to attend to.

[Member #4698]

Yeah both of those came to mind, but only the first really holds any water, I'm sure pinays are applying moisturiser (even if it isn't the fancy type). It's just the nature of the stretch marks, that they're always below the belly and that the skin is really wrinkled and loose. I almost never see it on girls of other nationalities.

I hate tummy trouble on a girl. It really turns me off. The last girl that I was with that had it was a very sweet little Soi 6 Pattaya girl and before that a girl from a Perimeter Road bar. By the time I realized my 20-year-old Soi 6 girl had the issue it was too late to bail without creating a brouhaha, ha ha, so I stuck with her and tried to focus all my attention away from her belly. Thus somehow, I managed to salvage a decent session with her. This Soi 6 tryst happened a couple of years ago and I have not been back to Soi 6 since.

I have no idea why some young mothers get it and others do not. Diet, overall health, and genes may have something to do with it; but essentially, I have no clue. What I do know, however, is how to mostly avoid girls with this undesirable trait. In my experience it's not a problem in the better (more expensive) Go Go's and bars like Bottoms & Kojax in Makati, Club Ra & Club Asia in AC, or Crazy House, Twister, & Kings Castle 1 in BKK and it's more prevalent of a problem in lesser bars like Rogues, Bourbon Street in Makati, many of the Perimeter Road bars in AC, and as I referenced above, the Soi 6 Pattaya bars.

Obviously, it's always better to be able to see the girls in the raw before barfining them. This is not possible with FL's in pick up bars and clubs, but again in my experience the better looking, classier girls that have the wherewithal to dress fashionably, look the part, and are able to hang out in the better clubs seem not to have this problem down below. I wonder if there is a statistical correlation between girls that wear expensive makeup and clothes and girls that do not have tummy trouble? Could the common factor be money or more specifically the ability to take better care of themselves? I do not know. And of course, there are exceptions to my observations and experiences.

[CallSign Papa]

I have a couple of theories on this. Neither of which I have any evidence for.

1. Relative physical size of baby to mothers causes relatively more stretching in these smaller pinays.

2. Lack of funds to purchase fancy stretch mark removal creams. This assumes the cremes actually work.

Yeah both of those came to mind, but only the first really holds any water, I'm sure pinays are applying moisturiser (even if it isn't the fancy type). It's just the nature of the stretch marks, that they're always below the belly and that the skin is really wrinkled and loose. I almost never see it on girls of other nationalities.

[Kazeu]

I have a couple of theories on this. Neither of which I have any evidence for.

1. Relative physical size of baby to mothers causes relatively more stretching in these smaller pinays.

2. Lack of funds to purchase fancy stretch mark removal creams. This assumes the cremes actually work.

I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.

About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.

Anyone got any clues?

[Mango King]

I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.

About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.

Anyone got any clues?

I've seen the exact same thing. After carefully questioning I have concluded that most new moms in PH don't know what skin creams and proper techniques are to use after birth. These things are apparently much better known in US and Europe to woman, but not in PH.

[BobLou]

Causes of stretch marks.

Pregnancy.

Obesity.

Pregnancy.

I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.

About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.

Anyone got any clues?

[CallSign Papa]

I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.

About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.

Anyone got any clues?

[Robert Long]

Yes, the banner approach does work. Remember once seeing a girl with a sandwich board hanging around her neck "Under maintenance, BJ's only". Think some falang paid her to walk around with that board. Big smile on her face and everyone who saw the sign.

GB Mongers, means of course. GangBang Mongers. If you walked around with the mates your are sourcing for (Mongers). With a suitable sandwich board, viz "Vacany, apply here". Then when girl wants to know what the job is you could explain, 'blow job' etc. Be discreet of course.

OK, good luck, Gang Bangers.

Make a Tee-Shirt, you'll sell a few of those. 5555.

RL.