Manila

[WestCoast1]

Wow, that sounds like fun. Not!! Personally, I hate negotiating an extended tick list of activities and prices.

Its just a different system. And there is a strong push for girls to not break with the system. For example, SW on Burgos or gogo girls might yell your name to get your attention if she remembers your name. In Mexico they will pretend to not know you. Calling out "Westy" would indicate to her fellow Latinas that she's been intimate or friendly with you (you are more than just a customer). Ticking the checklist is needed unless you want her to do whatever is easiest for her (I didn't say fun for her) in the room: Not taking off all of her clothes, no BJ, 1 position only (mish), rushing you to finish, get out the door (because you failed to specify the full 60 minutes, sin ropa, all positions). As you are agreeing in advance to the $60 for 60 minutes, you might as well communicate: "60 minutes, sin ropa, uncovered BJ (or sexo todo), all positions, you stay the full time after the pop". That takes 10 seconds. Most girls are fine with that, but if you don't specify, you will get: She only removes her pants and panty, won't BJ, condom, you get mish only, and if you finish in 5 minutes she will be out the door with your $60 at the 10 minute mark (while you are still breathing hard from your cum). She might want to see the $60 cash in your wallet as you enter the room.

Newbs to this system are often disappointed. It is what it is. As the others have said, those living along the border can get in / out of Mexico quickly and relieve the stress for $100 or less. Throw in some street tacos and some Dos Equis and it can be a fun afternoon / evening. You can arrive in the late afternoon, pop a vitamin V, pick up an alley girl for a $30/30-minute quickie, go get some dinner and carouse around la zona for 2 hours drinking, then go to Adelitas or HK and get a hottie for a $70/60-minute relationship, taxi back to the border and be back in the States by 10 pm to knock off in your hotel room to cap off a happy time.

Lets have a pic to celebrate this cross-cultural diversity.

[The Cane]

Some defense of TjB. Some pics from the Brazil PG, what he is / was used to. Bigger butts, firm or slender waist, bigger boobs, broader at the shoulders. They are curvier. Asian women with boobs like that are chubby. These girls have the Kardashian figure. Pics 9 and 10 are the same girl. The hips and / or asses almost appear enhanced. Pic #3, the girl with the pink bra and panties, you can find that same body in Phils easily, its just a slender / pretty girl with B or C sized boobage (and she's my fav in that batch). Asian girls are more slender, and appear from the front or back (clothed or not) to be more like a wooden fence plank / picket from shoulders to knees, comparatively.

You posted a photo of Elisa Sanches. She's a major Brazilian porn star with her image all over the internet, so no need to blur her face. And she's also totally enhanced right down to her eyebrows (see before and after below). I'm usually not into chasing porn stars, and she has more tats than I normally like, but I saw her on the internet and decided I had to have her for a true PSE in name and in likeness all the way. So, I contacted her fucked her in her pink butt hole (among other things) in my hotel room (pic number 5) over a couple of sessions, including once on my birthday LOL! The hotel delivered a surprise free bottle of champagne to my room while she was still there too hehehe!

[Goferring]

I did find Brazilian girls to be super into sex, even the hookers and had great experiences. But that was like in 2004. I don't think the experience is comparable to Phils and I (like most of us) like the petite tight pinay body, the BBFS, the flirting and the chance to find real GFE or wild kinky ones.

To be fair, it was damn near impossible to have a bad experience in the PIs in 2004. That was also before the infamous Jollie-bellie became so popular.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

EA, correct me if I am wrong. With either SW or the bar girls in Tijuana, you are all in for a similar experience (and I consider it a lesser experience). In HK and Adelitas you can find a wide range of looks, and easily get an '8'. The girl will negotiate a price with you for a specified number of minutes ($1 USD per minute is not unusual). You get 1 pop. If you pop before the time limit, she will be out the door as soon as she can splash water on her panocha and get her pants back on. If you don't pop before the time limit, she is done at the time limit. You WILL wear a condom (she will have some). Few girls will allow BBFS, and those that do are either ugly, or triple the price. You will probably need to get a ST room. A room attendant will knock on the door to remind you to vacate about 5 minutes before the time limit. Unless you negotiate what you want in the bar or in the alley, she will perform as SHE desires, and do what SHE wants, in the room. She might not remove all of her clothes unless you negotiated "sin ropa". You forgot to mention blowjob on the street? Faggedaboutit in the room. Your BJ (if pre-negotiated) will be covered. There will be NO kissing of any kind (I have been rejected for an attempted neck or shoulder kiss in mish). If you f*ck her 20 times this year she might still not remember your name. You mention a camera and she will refuse, or she might say something like: "$100 each picture. Three pictures. And no sexo". She will NOT allow you to take a selfie with her, either in the room or especially on the street / bar). Its a very transactional, biz-like relationship. When she walks out of the room she will not look back at you or chat with you in the hallway, or even outside at the street. When she goes back to the bar or alley she will take up the same spot as before and act like she never met you, unless in the bar you want to go back and buy her a fisha (a LD).

And you'd better have some basic Spanish. Few girls speak English other than the basic sex terms like 'f*ck' and 'blowjob'. From your negotiation (if there is any) to your departing the ST room, there might be very limited convo even if she wanted to.

Filipinas are not only less transactional, they are more malleable in the room. You could easily get several hours from your FL girl for the price. They love to chat (usually). Even if they didn't agree to nawty pics or refused such, they are happy to selfie with you (clothes on). You might get a second pop (she might consider that included, and you can easily negotiate that beforehand).

Its my opinion that latinas are prettier than pinay. But the condom, lack of English, short amount of time with client, and transactional nature send me elsewhere.

Wow, that sounds like fun. Not!! Personally, I hate negotiating an extended tick list of activities and prices. I much prefer, and have had better luck with, a 'go with the flow' attitude. I'm very rarely disappointed. I think it's because the girls get to act out what they are skilled at rather than my predetermined line items.

A Pina will remember your name FOREVER. There are many stories of returning after years and being greeted by name.

All of your list is the opposite for Pinas. Except for the hardest of bar girls, it would be difficult to find more pleasant girls to be with. This is especially true for work to rule and clock watchers. I've had many quiet girls run wild in private, away from prying eyes. It's routine to have to fake other commitments to get them to actually leave the room. Even hookers often offer up additional activities, bi girl friends, cousins etc.

Everyone's preferences are different but I'd agree that, on average, pinas are not the absolute prettiest girls around. Having said that, I've been pleasantly surprised many times when clothes come off. Many bikini models hidden under jeans and a T shirt.

Of course, all the above is meaningless if someone's tastes are different to what is in offer in the Phils. TJB likes a body type that is very rare in AC or Manila. I've also met guys who complained about travelling so far only to find no white girls available. To each their own.

Enjoy G.

[Expat American]

Some defense of TjB. Some pics from the Brazil PG, what he is / was used to. Bigger butts, firm or slender waist, bigger boobs, broader at the shoulders. They are curvier. Asian women with boobs like that are chubby. These girls have the Kardashian figure. Pics 9 and 10 are the same girl. The hips and / or asses almost appear enhanced. Pic #3, the girl with the pink bra and panties, you can find that same body in Phils easily, its just a slender / pretty girl with B or C sized boobage (and she's my fav in that batch). Asian girls are more slender, and appear from the front or back (clothed or not) to be more like a wooden fence plank / picket from shoulders to knees, comparatively.

I know this is a diversion from the PI thread but here's some of my Brazil girls. Not bothering to blur anything as this was 2004. No fake boobs, no fake butts. Great experiences. Photos taken with a real camera. LOL.

[MoonShot]

Yup you described the Tijuana experience to the T. Purely commercial and transactional. When I was still living in the US I used to go to SD often for work and would take the hop across the border. ID go into HK, grab some tits and pussy for some singles, step outside, take a street girl for a $20 pump and dump, get a street taco for $1, repeat and go back across to the US. I found the sex from street girl or HK / Adeliata was equally impersonal. So why pay more? It was okay but no GFE or any notable sex experience over multiple trips. I did find Brazilian girls to be super into sex, even the hookers and had great experiences. But that was like in 2004. I don't think the experience is comparable to Phils and I (like most of us) like the petite tight pinay body, the BBFS, the flirting and the chance to find real GFE or wild kinky ones.

It's two different type of experiences. For guys living on the West Coast, Tijuana is a short hop and a skip. If you live in San Diego, it is just a short drive. For a daytime, the transport might cost you a few dollars to go across the border. So it makes the street girl experience worth it even it is not great. Now, compare the time and money to travel to the PI from the USA. Now you talking 20 hours flight time and maybe $1000 airfare. So, it isn't really an apples to apples comparison.

[Expat American]

EA, correct me if I am wrong. LD).

A. But the condom, lack of English, short amount of time with client, and transactional nature send me elsewhere.

Yup you described the Tijuana experience to the T. Purely commercial and transactional. When I was still living in the US I used to go to SD often for work and would take the hop across the border. ID go into HK, grab some tits and pussy for some singles, step outside, take a street girl for a $20 pump and dump, get a street taco for $1, repeat and go back across to the US. I found the sex from street girl or HK / Adeliata was equally impersonal. So why pay more? It was okay but no GFE or any notable sex experience over multiple trips. I did find Brazilian girls to be super into sex, even the hookers and had great experiences. But that was like in 2004. I don't think the experience is comparable to Phils and I (like most of us) like the petite tight pinay body, the BBFS, the flirting and the chance to find real GFE or wild kinky ones.

[SlickLicker]

Some defense of TjB. Some pics from the Brazil PG, what he is / was used to. Bigger butts, firm or slender waist, bigger boobs, broader at the shoulders. They are curvier. Asian women with boobs like that are chubby. These girls have the Kardashian figure. Pics 9 and 10 are the same girl. The hips and / or asses almost appear enhanced. Pic #3, the girl with the pink bra and panties, you can find that same body in Phils easily, its just a slender / pretty girl with B or C sized boobage (and she's my fav in that batch). Asian girls are more slender, and appear from the front or back (clothed or not) to be more like a wooden fence plank / picket from shoulders to knees, comparatively.

This goes without saying actually, but I do think it's good to underline. What is considered hot is personal! I mean sure, that was clear already, and sure I'm not saying stop saying what nr. Rating 1-10 you would give some girl. But I could easily mark that same girl a 6 even it was a 10 for you, it totally depends on preferences.

As example, I get the feeling (but am not sure) from the line-up you just posted TjB would be interested in pics nr. 6, 7 and 10?

Where as myself I would avoid those easily, I'm not saying they seem ugly but I'd certainly prefer something like Nrs 3, 8 or 9.

Now I'm soon to be on my first trip to PH but been to a few other Asian locations, the flat but is sometimes a little to much. I do like a little round there, but other than that in general Asian body type for me is generally more attractive and thus I'd rank that physique higher.

That plus, from what I know from Brazil ladies, they tend to have a little more attitude (not been there, so corrent me if I'm wrong on that account).

So all fine if TjB didn't like what he's seen, I'm going to find out soon myself, I might come back on these words. But nobody is wrong or right I guess is what I'm saying. Just strongly depends on preference of body and type of "service".

[WestCoast1]

As for Tijuana, its a bigger shithole than AC and orders of magnitude more dangerous. And the girls at HK vary from hot to butt ugly as well.

I'll weigh in. Agreed. About the same number of bars in the zona (all girls are FL, like LAC in Malate) as Burgos. Adelitas and Hong Kong the two main attractions. Girl quality varies over time, and in HK I have seen some fugs. Even the hotter girls are well north of 25, and you can find down to 18 in the Burgos and AC bars. While I feel comfortable walking in most any place in Manila, even late at night, one does not go far from the red zone in Tijuana just for fun after dark. For those not familiar, there is also an "Alley", which is a side street, with SW on both sides of the street. These girls are just a bit different than Burgos SW, in that that on Burgos there are a handful (or sometimes none) of sub-25 girls, with 7's usually the best. In the Tijuana alley there is a wider mix of ages, with some hotties thrown in.

EA, correct me if I am wrong. With either SW or the bar girls in Tijuana, you are all in for a similar experience (and I consider it a lesser experience). In HK and Adelitas you can find a wide range of looks, and easily get an '8'. The girl will negotiate a price with you for a specified number of minutes ($1 USD per minute is not unusual). You get 1 pop. If you pop before the time limit, she will be out the door as soon as she can splash water on her panocha and get her pants back on. If you don't pop before the time limit, she is done at the time limit. You WILL wear a condom (she will have some). Few girls will allow BBFS, and those that do are either ugly, or triple the price. You will probably need to get a ST room. A room attendant will knock on the door to remind you to vacate about 5 minutes before the time limit. Unless you negotiate what you want in the bar or in the alley, she will perform as SHE desires, and do what SHE wants, in the room. She might not remove all of her clothes unless you negotiated "sin ropa". You forgot to mention blowjob on the street? Faggedaboutit in the room. Your BJ (if pre-negotiated) will be covered. There will be NO kissing of any kind (I have been rejected for an attempted neck or shoulder kiss in mish). If you f*ck her 20 times this year she might still not remember your name. You mention a camera and she will refuse, or she might say something like: "$100 each picture. Three pictures. And no sexo". She will NOT allow you to take a selfie with her, either in the room or especially on the street / bar). Its a very transactional, biz-like relationship. When she walks out of the room she will not look back at you or chat with you in the hallway, or even outside at the street. When she goes back to the bar or alley she will take up the same spot as before and act like she never met you, unless in the bar you want to go back and buy her a fisha (a LD).

And you'd better have some basic Spanish. Few girls speak English other than the basic sex terms like 'f*ck' and 'blowjob'. From your negotiation (if there is any) to your departing the ST room, there might be very limited convo even if she wanted to.

Maybe I'm wrong but that's what you can find in droves in HK club and Brazil Termas and is just not a thing in the Phils (thank god for that).

Filipinas are not only less transactional, they are more malleable in the room. You could easily get several hours from your FL girl for the price. They love to chat (usually). Even if they didn't agree to nawty pics or refused such, they are happy to selfie with you (clothes on). You might get a second pop (she might consider that included, and you can easily negotiate that beforehand).

Its my opinion that latinas are prettier than pinay. But the condom, lack of English, short amount of time with client, and transactional nature send me elsewhere.

[WestCoast1]

Some defense of TjB. Some pics from the Brazil PG, what he is / was used to. Bigger butts, firm or slender waist, bigger boobs, broader at the shoulders. They are curvier. Asian women with boobs like that are chubby. These girls have the Kardashian figure. Pics 9 and 10 are the same girl. The hips and / or asses almost appear enhanced. Pic #3, the girl with the pink bra and panties, you can find that same body in Phils easily, its just a slender / pretty girl with B or C sized boobage (and she's my fav in that batch). Asian girls are more slender, and appear from the front or back (clothed or not) to be more like a wooden fence plank / picket from shoulders to knees, comparatively.

[WestCoast1]

Put your money in your safe and fuck away. LOL.

It would be a bit remiss of me to forget to say that similar can be said about pinay. There is at least a small chance you'll be robbed in your hotel by FL. I have known few expats who would say pinay are very honest. And I've had multiple pinay say to my face: "Never trust a Filipina. They all lie". Lying is a bigger part of the pinoy culture than ours, but not necessarily theft. OTOH there are specific SW who are always on the hunt for the next client's electronics.

One thing about manila was it was point and shoot everywhere. WS and Burgos street was so small. All the bars are concentrated in one area, and you found out quick which club had hiring standards.

Did you hit Maison, Lips, or V-8?

Also, some of the SW (both Burgos and AC) are former gogo girls.

The poverty, infrastructure, beggars, homelessness was horrible, and I've been to Tijuana. It wasn't something you can see clearly rtff. You have to experience it live to understand.

This is a good point, and has been discussed before. However its only discussed every few years, and before pandemic. On occasion someone with plenty of experience in Europe and / or latin America has a horrible time in SE Asia.

Around 2010, another Board member was from my neck of the woods, and experienced at the German FKK's, Rio, Colombia, Mexico, and the DR. He was a decade younger than me. I. We were in Jakarta at the same time for about a week when we met. We caroused nightly, and I had trouble keeping up with both his drinking and girls (every night at Dee's Place and Top Gun). It was a blast. He RTTF for Manila and I gave him some info about Burgos. He flew off to Manila. Even as it was his first visit in SE Asia, everything was going well and he had good sea legs. Except in his first 24 hours in Manila, he was nicked for his money (and phone I think), and the some fake Makati police grabbed him and some other fellas off the street for some fake offense, and driven around for hours until he agreed to hit an ATM machine and donate to the fake upcoming police ball (or such). When he was finally released, he went right to his hotel, showered, and taxi'd to the airport days early for the next flight home, disgusted with all the above. He said the same thing that you did: "You got to experience it to believe it". Its and acquired taste. "One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble" -- from some song.

Alot of the girls I saw in the bars would never be hired by HK, the main termas in Brazil, HDR in Costa Rica, and even most casas in medellin. There seemed to be no quality control except at plan be, King Queen. . They were also the most expensive. When I go on these trips, I avoid El Centro in Colombia, villa mimosa in Brazil. It's not my style, but in the Phil's you are knee deep in it.

Quality control, in Phils? Nahhhhh. You forgot to mention, when walking in the streets, you are also playing a game of What's that smell! (like it or not).

Sorry your difficulties. The other gents have suggested you try Indo, Viet, or Thailand for prettier girls. That's correct, but if curvy is your thing, SA girls are your game.

[Expat American]

Alot of the girls I saw in the bars would never be hired by HK, the main termas in Brazil, HDR in Costa Rica, and even most casas in medellin. There seemed to be no quality control except at plan be, King Queen. . They were also the most expensive. When I go on these trips, I avoid El Centro in Colombia, villa mimosa in Brazil. It's not my style, but in the Phil's you are knee deep in it.

Ok I call BS on this. I've been to Brazil a couple of times and for me the big giant fake bundas (asses) are gross as shit. But even there I did find slim sexy fun girls. As for Tijuana, its a bigger shithole than AC and orders of magnitude more dangerous. And the girls at HK vary from hot to butt ugly as well. You don't post any pics of the girls you like but my guess by reading in between the lines is fake boobs, enhanced butts, tatts, nose jobs etc. In other words blow up dolls that can talk. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what you can find in droves in HK club and Brazil Termas and is just not a thing in the Phils (thank god for that).

Not judging your tastes, everyone is different. But in todays world with You tube and tik tok videos you should have a pretty good idea what to expect from a place before you plonk down thousands of dollars and take a 24 hour flight to get there. So getting there and getting exactly what you should have expected and then complaining seems a bit silly.

[FuriousGeorge]

If these aren't your type, then brother, we can't relate. Also PH is not the place for you. Both very pleasant personalities, not money hungry, not criminals. Hell, probably marriage material if a fella is into that. But alas I had to ramble on.

[Dg8787]

Non Sense. Most Pinays have nice firm bodies. Even civies you see in the malls or out walking around. Of course there are different body types in different countries. I do like the taller and slimmer Thai girls but really do not converse well with them. Overall the Pinays are more to my satisfaction.

I was in a Latin country and the girls are much thicker and bigger. Not my type. But after a few days of looking I did enjoy a few thick girls to my satisfaction. YOLO.

[TjBrazil]

Ahahaha. See the pic, from the Brazil Photo Gallery. After asking a littany of newb questions and failing to do his due diligence (RTTF -- Philippines PG), TjBRAZIL forgot to mention his namesake's flaws. Regarding Brasileiras: "You shouldn't trust any of them. They will rob you blind".

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2617769

Also in the Brazil PG there hasn't been a pic posted since early 2022, and they appear to be pre-covid. Are all the Brazil girls still at home with mama wearing a mask? To be fair, in viewing the Brazil PG, the girls are more curvy, more likely to have bigger butts, slimmer waists, and bigger boobs. Like Colombian, eastern Euro and Russian ladies: Well-known curvier figures.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2680869

Six of one (more curvy), half-dozen of the other (hold your wallet while you f*ck).

Put your money in your safe and fuck away. LOL.