Quezon City

[Mdemde]

She's 22 (outside my preferred age range of 18 - 19, but still acceptable!) and I met her on pinalove, then took the conversation over to whatsapp.

She lives in Mandaluyong and was willing to come to my condo (in Quezon City), but I decided it would be better to go to a local hotel. She agreed to 3k for a 1 hour session.

We arranged to meet at a local coffee shop which is about a 5 minute walk from my condo, and she asked me to book her a grab taxi, which I did, so I was able to follow her progress. (The original plan was for her to leave at 3pm so we could meet at 4pm, but she wasn't ready to leave until 5pm - the start of rush hour! The journey took her the best part of 2 hours!

Anyway, we met at the coffee shop, and walked to the hotel which is about a 2 minute walk from the coffee shop.

[Jarango]

I have been with hookers in bad straits, pregnant and suckling who offered to take it up the ass straight away. I paid her her fare back to her home town on top of more.

Right now, as I plan to return to the Phils, there is a single mom of a 4 year old who will short time with me. I asked what is the maximum short time (no price mentioned). Until I pop. Sorry, no good to me.

Another is begging me to take her so she can feed her kids. A lady organising a gang bang is saying she is eating food from garbage tips. Some of these are truth telling and some are lying but I can't handle or need the hassle.

Pre Covid, I used to drop into this place for a meal. They hired an ex hooker whose American pay pig had died, forcing her to sell her big flat screen TV and more. I tipped her handsomely for the place, more than the food cost. Then I was back and the boss told me she'd brought her daughter in for free food, was a waste of a worker and was asking about me as she saw me as a meal ticket. Whatever taking the girl out of the bar, I don't need a lazy lump and I am sorry in a small way I tipped her. Last time I bought a top cell phone and tipped the seller 1000 PHP on a whim and her mate 500 PHP. They were over the moon about it. The lazy hookers think it is their right for what is a personal but strictly transactional service.

[ILuvBrownGirls]

Now that you have moved to Quezon City, have you tried any of the famous massage / spa venues in the area, like Frictio, White House, Encanta, or Classique? The local boards, like HappyBudgetMeal and ManilaTonight have hundreds of pages in Tagalog about these venues, but I can't find any expat with first hand experience. Mainly wondering if they are welcoming to expats and what services are offered. Are any of them full service with BBBJ and DFK, or are they only sterile covered BJ and no kissing?

I hit up Pegasus about a week ago. Actually the spa attached to Pegasus called Sylvanus. I have been in the hobby for well over a decade now and yet did not know exactly what to expect when the doorman urged me to try a massage. The "twin" massage was about 7. 5 k so I figured there was some sort of additional charge or that it was just rub and tug. I was even more apprehensive when I went to the fish bowl and saw the talent. Generally older women late 20's through 30's but all were fuckable. This is in contrast to Angeles where about 10% of the girls are fuckable in my opinion. I picked two and they met me in the room. When I got to the room, I noticed the mirrors everywhere including the ceiling and at this point figured it was full service. The girls came in, invited me to shower with them, washed my ass and cock and then proceeded to BBBJ me while the other one sat on my face. Sex was covered and both women were high end pros when it came to skills and enthusiasm. After the pop, I waited for the sting. I figured there would be some sort of hidden charge and I would end up shelling out a lot more, which I was ok with. I do not do drama when mongering. Losing a few hundred bucks is nothing when the alternative is getting stabbed or having a conversation with the cops. Turns out there was no hidden fee. Less than 8 k in PhP and I had one of the best threesomes of my life. I tipped them both another 1000 p note and left a happy man. Highly recommend.

[Dg8787]

Hahahaha. I'm the last one on earth who is anti prostitute. I've been on a monger binge for 15 years now, that was not what I was saying at all. Sounds like though I may have hit a nerve. As I mentioned Philippine's is not a professional working girl venue say like Germany or Amsterdam. These girls are very poor and have no options so negotiating them down a few bucks does not make you savvy, it just makes you cheap. Every monger environment is different. *****s in Germany, sure if I can talk them down great. These girls could work, its a first world country with many opportunities'. Girl I had there on last visit to Frankfurt, said yep I had office job and good money but that sucked days too long. Now I work half that time same money, she made a choice. That situation is not the same as Philippines, not even close or any 3rd world country as its not a choice. Having some compassion for these girls of course does not make you a saint but it does make you a decent human being. There are just heartless people in this world, sorry for whoever I offended for pointing this out and if you think 5 k is a ton of money you may be in the wrong hobby.

Totally agree with you. There are some mongers that are in more need of 5 k than the poor pinay. Hard to believe but true.

[Locamotive]

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You think paying a girl a TON of money and then turning her out is having a heart LOL! Please just keep your foolishness to yourself and don't paint yourself as the monger saint with a "heart on".

Hahahaha. I'm the last one on earth who is anti prostitute. I've been on a monger binge for 15 years now, that was not what I was saying at all. Sounds like though I may have hit a nerve. As I mentioned Philippine's is not a professional working girl venue say like Germany or Amsterdam. These girls are very poor and have no options so negotiating them down a few bucks does not make you savvy, it just makes you cheap. Every monger environment is different. *****s in Germany, sure if I can talk them down great. These girls could work, its a first world country with many opportunities'. Girl I had there on last visit to Frankfurt, said yep I had office job and good money but that sucked days too long. Now I work half that time same money, she made a choice. That situation is not the same as Philippines, not even close or any 3rd world country as its not a choice. Having some compassion for these girls of course does not make you a saint but it does make you a decent human being. There are just heartless people in this world, sorry for whoever I offended for pointing this out and if you think 5 k is a ton of money you may be in the wrong hobby.

[Goferring]

True, broke girls will give in, why, well they are broke. I guess its just not me but I cannot be heartless and show little or no compassion for these people. Am I rich no, but if I can spend 2 grand to get there for travel and hotel a few bucks they want really means nothing. Did I go overboard went I first went there 15 years ago, yep sure did. The poverty coming from US overwhelmed me and I gave them much more than they ask. Do I do this now, of course not but if she is young and a beauty I do not believe 5 k is unreasoble,3 k is just a insult. Post COVID standard bar girl wanted 3 k or 4 k and I do believe in inflation and not taking advantage of people just because you can. That girl in the photos was nice, very nice indeed and young. I would not quibble a second with her for fare and tip. I know some on here view these girls as a warn young piece of meat, no more no less. The more they can screw the better and as cheap as possible, her life be damned. I did notice from the photos there was some CIP action. Do I think a 18 year old from a province is on the pill, my bet would be no from past experience. I hope he is not capable of getting anyone pregnant, if not my piece of meat statement stands. Even in mongering we should have some moral standards as we know better, unless you are pumping working girls in Amsterdam or Germany as they are pros and doing this by choice. These poor girls here are just trying to feed their kids or families.

I think most guys are reasonably generous to deserving girls. Equally, most object to being taken for a ride. The actual dollar amount is irrelevant. It's the intent that counts.

That's certainly the way I work. I've willing spent everything from zero dollars to waaaay too much and don't regret any of it when it was for girls with fun attitudes, who showed me a great time.

Conversely, I've also shown girls the door with no tip and the smallest payment possible while begrudging every cent.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. I don't know the girl, however, maybe this is a case of looks and cost being no predictor of attitude and performance. Unfortunately, very common as girls' expectations rise.

[Locamotive]

Don't forget that, just as Mdeme is facing a negative perfect storm upon arrival in the big smoke, he is comparing it to all the positives having just left Cebu as a 4 year resident.

In QC he is somewhat of a newbie and still weeding out all the overpriced dreamers.

In Cebu, he knows the lay of the land, has a Contact List as long as your arm, has weeded out the 15 k princesses. In fact my guess is that he was actually getting new referrals from his existing pack.

My suggestion to him is to just hang in there as it doesn't take too long to be recognised as a permanent fixture and to build up a stable of quality providers. His offers were fair and will likely soon be taken up by the gazillion broke girls in town or even the princesses who suddenly need money NOW.

Enjoy. G.

True, broke girls will give in, why, well they are broke. I guess its just not me but I cannot be heartless and show little or no compassion for these people. Am I rich no, but if I can spend 2 grand to get there for travel and hotel a few bucks they want really means nothing. Did I go overboard went I first went there 15 years ago, yep sure did. The poverty coming from US overwhelmed me and I gave them much more than they ask. Do I do this now, of course not but if she is young and a beauty I do not believe 5 k is unreasoble,3 k is just a insult. Post COVID standard bar girl wanted 3 k or 4 k and I do believe in inflation and not taking advantage of people just because you can. That girl in the photos was nice, very nice indeed and young. I would not quibble a second with her for fare and tip. I know some on here view these girls as a warn young piece of meat, no more no less. The more they can screw the better and as cheap as possible, her life be damned. I did notice from the photos there was some CIP action. Do I think a 18 year old from a province is on the pill, my bet would be no from past experience. I hope he is not capable of getting anyone pregnant, if not my piece of meat statement stands. Even in mongering we should have some moral standards as we know better, unless you are pumping working girls in Amsterdam or Germany as they are pros and doing this by choice. These poor girls here are just trying to feed their kids or families.

[Goferring]

A dichotomy has occurred. You had a pandemic. Followed by about a 40-50% reduction in foreign inbound travelers. One would think that would drive prices down, not up (just look at the AC price-doubling). Gullible visitors willing to pay more for convenience (the essence of Burgos) is only part of the problem. These higher prices, even before pandemic, are aimed at such gullible 2-week warriors. Mdede is seeing the 'big-city' prices (where most of the warriors stay), while he was used to getting a lesser price in Cebu. Manila and AC are price bubbles, where the online ladies can choose to wait for the next more gullible warrior.

Don't forget that, just as Mdeme is facing a negative perfect storm upon arrival in the big smoke, he is comparing it to all the positives having just left Cebu as a 4 year resident.

In QC he is somewhat of a newbie and still weeding out all the overpriced dreamers.

In Cebu, he knows the lay of the land, has a Contact List as long as your arm, has weeded out the 15 k princesses. In fact my guess is that he was actually getting new referrals from his existing pack.

My suggestion to him is to just hang in there as it doesn't take too long to be recognised as a permanent fixture and to build up a stable of quality providers. His offers were fair and will likely soon be taken up by the gazillion broke girls in town or even the princesses who suddenly need money NOW.

Enjoy. G.

[KumuMan]

There's literally hundreds of them in Metro Manila, a search on Google maps will bring them up. They are a good alternative to s/t hotels if there isn't one convenient to you.

I left the UK (my home country) in 2011 and prior to leaving I used to pay between GBP50 and GBP80 for sex with working girls (PHP3,200 to PHP5,200). This was in London and also in other big cities in the UK, almost all of the girls that serviced me were Asian, mostly Chinese, with some Korean, Japanese and Thais. I never expected to end up in Manila paying more for sex than I was paying in the UK!

Prior to moving to Quezon City a few months ago I lived in Cebu City for 4 years, and the average I paid for sex there was PHP1.5k, sometimes as low as PHP1k.

So I'm now living in the big city in the Philippines and though I expect to pay a bit more than I did in Cebu, I'm not going to throw my money around all over the place. I get that the girls are poor but the more you throw money around the more the expectation from the girls and it only pushes prices up, for everyone. I always try to pay the going rate.

If I can find girls here willing to go with me for PHP4k, why would I pay PHP5k?

Quite often, meter taxis in Metro Manila will try to not use the meter and will instead give you an inflated price for your destination. I have always refused and asked them to use the meter. The drivers will normally back down and turn the meter on, if they don't I have always got out and waived down another taxi. Does that make me a cheap Charlie?

Regarding Taxi's and tips I always use grab and I always tip the drivers I'm not sure how grab system works for the drivers but back in the states uber and lyft have a rating system for the driver AND passenger.

I have a 5 star rating.

There have been numerous times at the mall or restaurant my date will try grab but get no response for over 20 minutes. Then I will log in and within 1 minute the driver is on his way.

My date will be puzzled, I just tell them maybe because they see a USA number.

[Expat American]

Indeed. It will be interesting to see as to whether or not these current OTT prices hold. They probably will for a while, then I think they will start to slowly creep down. My reasoning is that with the current high prices, it will draw more girls into the sector and you will then end up with an over-supply. When there is an over-supply of labour it normally forces down earnings.

You are obviously oblivious of Philippine bar girl economic theory. When there are less customers you need to raise the price on each one to maintain the same income. Hence less the customers, higher the price. They don't teach that in Economics 101 but then again, the girls have never taken that class. LOL.

[WestCoast1]

Yes, they were all for s/t. I might try a fully priced bar fine as a test run, though at the current asking prices I won't be in a rush to do so!

Consider a run up to AC for a few days (not until next week, when the majority of girls have returned to work). All-in its p4-5 k.

[Mdemde]

A dichotomy has occurred. You had a pandemic. Followed by about a 40-50% reduction in foreign inbound travelers. One would think that would drive prices down, not up (just look at the AC price-doubling). Gullible visitors willing to pay more for convenience (the essence of Burgos) is only part of the problem. These higher prices, even before pandemic, are aimed at such gullible 2-week warriors. Mdede is seeing the 'big-city' prices (where most of the warriors stay), while he was used to getting a lesser price in Cebu. Manila and AC are price bubbles, where the online ladies can choose to wait for the next more gullible warrior.

Indeed. It will be interesting to see as to whether or not these current OTT prices hold. They probably will for a while, then I think they will start to slowly creep down. My reasoning is that with the current high prices, it will draw more girls into the sector and you will then end up with an over-supply. When there is an over-supply of labour it normally forces down earnings.

[Mdemde]

Even better is a fully priced barfine as a first test run to show your not a Cheap Charlie nor totally obnoxious. Assuming not, the she is far more likely to answer your messages.

I assume all your requests and offers were for ST. If so, I'd agree that they were fairly priced for anyone who wasn't a stunner.

Cheers. G.

Yes, they were all for s/t. I might try a fully priced bar fine as a test run, though at the current asking prices I won't be in a rush to do so!

[Mdemde]

Two star hotel, did not know there was such a thing.

There's literally hundreds of them in Metro Manila, a search on Google maps will bring them up. They are a good alternative to s/t hotels if there isn't one convenient to you.

You offered 2 k (40 bucks?),. And they did not reply, imagine that. You know we travel around the world, which aint cheap to get to these places where old dudes can get women where no where else on earth this can happen. 3 k up to 4 k so you quibble over 20 bucks, but thankfully you reluctantly agreed. Third world girls who most are very very poor and your taking pride it seems negotiating such small amounts which I'm sure means nothing to you. Agreed I'm not doing 15 k that's just silly but if I offer 3 k and she says 5 k,yeah sure what's 40 bucks to me. Nothing. I usually never comment on these type things but this is just ridiculous. There is a reason the Cheap Charlie name got started, situations like this is probably the reason why.

I left the UK (my home country) in 2011 and prior to leaving I used to pay between GBP50 and GBP80 for sex with working girls (PHP3,200 to PHP5,200). This was in London and also in other big cities in the UK, almost all of the girls that serviced me were Asian, mostly Chinese, with some Korean, Japanese and Thais. I never expected to end up in Manila paying more for sex than I was paying in the UK!

Prior to moving to Quezon City a few months ago I lived in Cebu City for 4 years, and the average I paid for sex there was PHP1.5k, sometimes as low as PHP1k.

So I'm now living in the big city in the Philippines and though I expect to pay a bit more than I did in Cebu, I'm not going to throw my money around all over the place. I get that the girls are poor but the more you throw money around the more the expectation from the girls and it only pushes prices up, for everyone. I always try to pay the going rate.

If I can find girls here willing to go with me for PHP4k, why would I pay PHP5k?

Quite often, meter taxis in Metro Manila will try to not use the meter and will instead give you an inflated price for your destination. I have always refused and asked them to use the meter. The drivers will normally back down and turn the meter on, if they don't I have always got out and waived down another taxi. Does that make me a cheap Charlie?

[ImVirat]

Well I read of the scarcity of information about Quezon City so I found myself camped here in QC for a couple of days.

First thing I notice is far far few foreigners. The foreigners I have seen here are all with pinay in tow. I do like my neighbourhood. I have been very happy with the wide choice of restaurants here. Filipino prices with western styles.

First day in town I was still with my filipina GF from AC. She left one morning abut 7 am to go to her work. I had already primed WeChat with my location and sent out a few NearBy hellos. Found a lovely 26 year old filipina, wonderful BBBJ, wonderful body and a generally nice fuck. She stayed a few hours foe P1. 8 K all up.

Headed to SM North and strolled around Chatted to a chunkier 19 year old. She was nice and had a good vibe. Back to the hotel for the afternoon multiple rounds. P1. 5 k.

Quite a few nice upmarket local bars in the area. Probably more suited to taking pre-existing filipina GF to those places. Did notice a few tables of filipina that were drinking heavily which were open to having me join and pay). Didn't follow this line.

The local bank teller was incredibly nice too. Don't really know how to approach that one.

I can see enough potential here in QC that ii'm going to extend my stay. I'm expecting a few referrals from my wechat friend.

BD.

Searched for AC (filipina GF from AC) but couldn't find its meaning.