Subic City (Subic Bay)

[Member #4698]

Day 48 Tuesday April 15,2014 Subic Day 2:

After T left I relaxed and enjoyed the rest of the day doing the usual resort stuff. I walked the beach and then I lounged around the swimming pool for a few hours. I flirted with a couple of attractive Filipinas who were also hanging out by the pool. I looked over some emails on the computer before having lunch, again by the pool. In the afternoon I took a trike back to Barrio Barretto and stocked up on some necessary provisions. Then back at the ranch, I cooled out in the late afternoon on the Blue Rock Floating Bar. My pretty little hostess girl from the day before was occupied with a new customer. I sat down at the bar and ordered a coke light and met the manager. He seemed like a nice guy. Another gringo was demonstrating the use of his Fly Board PWC Jet Skis. He was pretty good at it and made it look easy. I thought the skis were pretty cool, but there is no way I was going to take a swim in this polluted water.

I glanced over at my little hostess girl. She saw me and smiled, but her customer ordered another round of drinks and I could see she was going to be busy for a while. What a waste because I saw no interaction between them. None! When I was with her, we flirted, and held hands, yada yada. The drinks were a minor thing. Having a good time, enjoying the company of the little darling, and seeing where it might possibly go was the main thing. Anyway she got up and walked around the bar the long way to come over and say Hi. Then she had to go back to her customer. I didn't care; it was all part of relaxing and hanging out on Baloy Beach waiting for the sun to go down.

I received a text from T asking what I was doing. I texted her back and told her I was hanging out at the Blue Rock Floating Bar. She asked if I was coming by Lollipops later tonight and I told her I would come by around 9 pm.

Around 8:30 pm I walked into Alaska Bar and I was mobbed. There were at least 20 girls dancing and shuffling on the stage and I was the only customer. It was too much for me. I didn't even get a good opportunity to size up the talent. I apologized to the girls on stage and told them I would come back a little later. They were visibly disappointed and a couple of girls implored me to stay, but I beat a hasty retreat.

Next, I went back to Wet Spot hoping against all hope that a few of their stars would be there. But no, it was the same handful of girls as the first night. A couple of the girls looked pretty good though. I sat down at a table and ordered a coke light. An early 30 something girl (not a dancer) came over. I think her name was Dory. She put her arms around me. Despite her age she had a tight body and was pretty good looking, so I let her stay and we struck up a conversation. She told me a lot of girls had gone home to be with their families over Easter Holy Week. I hadn't anticipated this mass exodus when I scheduled my visit to Subic because last year I remembered the number and quality of girls was very good. The only difference was last year I arrived 5 days earlier in relation to Easter than this year. So apparently the timing really mattered.

Anyway I liked Dory a lot. She had a head on her shoulders and we had an interesting conversation. If I hadn't made a date with T for tonight, I think I would have asked Dory out. I did ask Dory if she wanted something to drink and she smiled and said she wanted a San Miguel, so I ordered a round of beers for us. I asked Dory if there was going to be a Sons of Bacchus (SOB) dance contest this Friday and she left to find out. She came back shortly and informed me that the next one was going to be held at Rapscallions not this Friday, but the next Friday. Damn! I really wanted to go to one of these parties. Anyway, I reluctantly said goodbye to Dory after we finished our beers and I told her I hoped I would see her around. She smiled and gave me a kiss.

I walked next door into Lollipop. As soon as I entered through the door, I was immediately treated like a Roman conquering hero. A big cheer went up from all the girls on stage and two waitresses grabbed me and escorted me past the pool table and the stage to the seats in the back where T was waiting for me all dolled up. She greeted me with a big smile. We said our hellos and she kissed me. Then we sat down and I ordered a round of Tequila. We made a toast and tossed back the first shots. I immediately ordered a 2nd round. Then I put my arm around T and held her tight. I watched the girls on stage and couldn't help noticing that their numbers were way, way down from last night. I asked T about it and she said a lot of girls were not coming in tonight. Still there were enough customers so the place did not feel empty like Alaska Bar, but it was a long way from a full house.

Early this morning I had promised to take T out for dinner tonight. I now asked her if she was hungry. She said she was and asked if we could order dinner here from the Dryden Deli. I said sure. The Dryden Deli is right next door and it is a surprisingly good restaurant. I especially like their pizza. So one of the waitresses went to get a menu. After looking it over T said she wanted chicken wings and I decided on the sliders. T leaned over and whispered in my ear asking if it was all right with me if she ordered the large 16 piece chicken wing dinner instead of the 8 piece. I instantly knew she wanted to share the wealth, my largess LOL, with her girlfriends in the bar, so I said sure. In no time our order arrived and T immediately started handing out wings to her hungry friends. At least 8 girls crowded around us. T only ate 3 wings herself and she hand fed 2 wings to me. I could only eat 2 sliders and I offered the 3rd slider to the fat, but friendly waitress who had ushered me over to T when I first arrived. Everybody was happy and very grateful for the chicken. I knew from all the smiling faces and thank you's that I had generated some real good will in this bar. That is one of the things I like so much about Subic. It is so easy to make friends here.

After dinner I ordered another round of Tequila for us. I could see it was starting to have the desired effect on T. We stuck around to watch the girls dance and I flirted with a few girls who now were acting very friendly towards me. Before we left, I ordered one more round of Tequila and then we took a trike back to the Wild Orchid.

Last night T had marveled over the swimming pool and I had invited her to take a late night swim tonight. She had not forgotten the invitation and she asked if we could go swimming. Then she looked at me with her trusting little eyes to remind me that she could not swim. I told her not to worry. I would take very good care of her. The only glitch was that T did not have a swim suit, but that was not a big problem because there were two little tiendas that sold bikinis on the sandy beach road that separated the formal grounds of Wild Orchid and the Beach Front Wild Orchid property. So with only a minimum amount of, "please Mak, I want to go swimming," we went out to buy T a bikini. She picked a pretty stripped one. All the suits were one size fits all and the woman at the shop guaranteed me that it would fit little T just right. The price was 500 p. We went back to my room and changed into our suits. Needless to say, T looked really great in her new bikini. She possessed an absolutely no body fat spinner body and the suit fit her perfectly.

I got into the pool first. The water came up to my chest. Next T got into the water and held onto me. I waltzed her around the pool with her hanging on tight. We were the only people around. Naturally, I got a boner and I let T know about it. She reached out and massaged it under my suit. We continued to play around in the pool and had a really good time, but after 20 minutes of so, it began to feel cold. T started to get goose bumps all over and I suggested we go back to the room to dry off and warm up.

Back in the room, I turned on the TV and lowered the lights. We got into bed and cozied up as we watched TV. No shower tonight. We made out now and then and I started playing with her little breasts. Then I sucked on them whole again like last night. T gave me a short little hand job, but soon she flashed a naughty little smile right before she went downtown and smoked me. When she came back up she got on top and we shagged. I loved palming this petite girl's small breasts while she was riding me cowgirl. After a while though I picked little T up and gently placed her on her back where I finished her off in mish. Afterwards we just laid together holding each other and occasionally kissing.

T then started to tell me her life story as most Pinays I have known get around to doing sooner or later. The story is always pretty much the same. She was in love and believed her boyfriend really loved her too. She got pregnant and then he left her in the lurch. T said she was 18 when all this happened. I listened and consoled from time to time and then for my kindness and attentiveness she showered me with kisses and affection. This of course led to our 2nd shag of the night.

T woke up early around 6 am and said she had to go. We made tentative plans to see each other in the afternoon and go swimming. I texted her around noon, but then I forgot my phone in the room and did not hear from her until later. When I did hear from her she said she had something important to do, I forgot what, and she could not see me tonight. That was ok with me. I had an ace in the hole.

[Member #4698]

I'm not sure Fenimore Cooper would approve of your change in appearance or the new spelling of your last name. Fortunately, the little Chinay seems okay with it all.

Skip, I see you are a well read and erudite punter. I read James Fenimore Cooper's Leatherstocking Novels a long time ago in college. The Natty Bumppo character always stuck with me, but who could remember it is spelled with two "P's" and not one. I wish I could make the correction to my ISG handle, but I don't know how.

And yes my appearance has changed a little over time. When I punted almost exclusively in Central and South America I looked more like Lex Barker in the Deerslayer. After I started hanging out in SE Asia for a while I began to look more like Marcello Mastroianni in La Dolce Vita. Interestingly Lex Barker had a small role in La Dolce Vita as Anita Ekberg's jeolous American husband who smacks Marcello around for being out all night with his wife. La Dolce Vita is one of the greatest movies ever made and a personal favorite of mine. I think it had an influence on my life.

[Soapy Smith]

I'm not sure Fenimore Cooper would approve of your change in appearance or the new spelling of your last name. Fortunately, the little Chinay seems okay with it all.

[Member #4698]

Day 47 Monday April 14,2014 Subic Day 1:

After breakfast I packed my bags which amounted to throwing my dirty clothes in a large lawn trash bag and stuffing the trash bag into my suitcase. Then I checked out of the LGH and caught the Subic Super Shuttle (S3) operated by the Dryden Group at 10 am.

http://www.drydensubic.com/transport.php

You must book in advance to ensure seating, but on this trip there were only two other passengers. A one way trip costs 650 p and without a doubt this is the best, easiest, comfortable way to travel back and forth from AC to Subic. I just wish the Dryden Group offered a super shuttle service from Subic to Manila because on Saturday I had to hire a Wild Orchid Hotel driver for the Makati run and it was EXPENSIVE.

The ride to Subic was uneventful, but I enjoyed the country scenery and the company. It began to rain as we arrived in Olongapo. The driver stopped at the Arizona Hotel and let out the other guys. Then HE drove me to the Wild Orchid. I gave him a 100 p tip.

I had reserved a beach front room at the Wild Orchid like last year, but I asked the friendly registration girl if there was a pool side room available. I wanted to try a pool side room just for the heck of it. She said there was one available for two days and I could have it, but then on Wednesday I would have to move to the beach front room. I accepted her proposal and we continued with the check in.

Afterwards I relaxed by the pool and went for a swim. I like this hotel. It is very comfortable and friendly. It is probably the best hotel in the Barrio Barretto Baloy Beach area. While its standards are not quite up to the LGH in AC, it is still very nice if not a little pricey. But you get what you pay for with large rooms, a very nice pool (actually two pools), a quality beach front restaurant, and a prime location on Baloy Beach.

Later in the afternoon I took a trike (70 p) up to Barrio Barretto's main drag, the National Highway to store up on some provisions and walk around a little. All the bars are located on this strip of highway.

Back at Baloy Beach I had a late afternoon drink at the Blue Rock Floating Bar. I met a cute, young, bar girl there and I bought her a drink. She was charming and said she was new on the job. She appeared to me to be an amateur just beginning to learn the ropes. I was tempted to ask her out, but decided against it not knowing if she would accept my invitation or not. I also knew I had 5 days to romance her if that was really what I wanted to do. Anyway I hung out at the bar and enjoyed the company of this petite little girl (aw shucks, we held hands) and the ambiance of the place. You got to love the ocean.

I left the bar as the sun began to go down and relaxed a little while on my room's patio in front of the pool. I had a great Blue Fin Tuna steak for dinner at Captain Rob's Barefoot BBQ Restaurant. Then at around 9 pm I headed over to Barrio Barretto. My 1st stop was Wet Spot. Last year I saw many sexy girls in here. Not so this year. There were only 5 girls on stage and a handful of customers. What's up with that? I thought. The music was pretty good though so I stuck around and had yes; a coke light!

The girls were all friendly, but no Stunners in sight on this particular night. So I headed over to Lollipop. Things were better here than at Wet Spot although I noticed that some of the bar's super stars were absent. I ordered a coke light and checked out the scene. There were maybe 20 girls dancing and hanging around and I noticed a couple of sexy potential barfines. At least here, all the girls were animated and seemed to be having a good time while dancing on stage. The music was good too. There were also a fair number of customers who appeared to be having a good time and interacting with the girls. So not too much change at Lollipop from last year, but some. This is one of the best bars in Subic IMHO, but what a shame they were missing a few of their star girls. Hum! Could it be Easter Week was taking its toll on bar girls?

In any case, I narrowed my selection down to two or three girls. One of the girls was pretty and kept giving me a sexy smile, but her legs were a little too thick for my refined tastes, LOL. Another dark skinned little spinner with a very short hair style intrigued me. And then there was this thin little Chinese / Filipina looking girl that I liked too. Over time I found myself repeatedly looking at the Chinese / Filipina girl. I knew she was aware of my glances, but she seemed very shy about it. I stuck around for 40 minutes or so and still hadn't made up my mind about which girl to pick, so I decided to head over to Voodoo, where I had some real good times with two very sexy girls in 2013.

I was expecting to see a party going on here in Voodoo like last year, so I was really surprised to find the place dead. It was dismal with 4 or 5 plain girls barely dancing on the stage and maybe 4 or 5 additional girls hanging around. Plus there were only 3 or 4 customers. Several waitresses and two bar girls mobbed me as I walked in. I was polite and even ordered a coke light, but I knew this bar had no potential for me on this night. Where were my two honeys from last year? I knew the mama and asked her. She said my two girls where with their families back in the provinces until next week. So it was Easter Week that was plaguing the bar scene here. Go figure. I was here last year around the same time, but five days earlier in respect to Easter 2013 and that apparently made a big difference. The mama called a few girls over and tried to give me a back massage. I politely told her to stop and tried to remain cheerful and upbeat for the sake of the girls sitting at my table. I left the bar a short time later.

Instead of heading over to Alaska or Flash Rat and trying out a another bar, I decided to head back to Lollipop. At least there were still plenty of decent girls dancing about and a pretty good customer base at Lollipop. As soon as I saw the Chinese / Filipina looking girl again, I knew she was the one or at least the one I was going to ask over for a drink. So I went over to T and said Hi and asked her if she wanted a drink. She smiled and joined me at my table. We made bar talk and introduced ourselves. I told her I thought she was very pretty and that I had noticed her as soon as I had entered the bar. She said she saw me smiling at her, but she was too shy to smile back. She told me she was 20 years old that she had only started working at Lollipop 3 weeks ago.

I held her hands and they were very cold. She said she was cold due to the air conditioner. I told her I would try to warm her up. We seemed to be getting along ok so I suggested some Tequila knowing nothing warms up a shy bar girl better than a couple shots of Tequila. She acted a little surprised and happy that I had made this suggestion. Apparently she had not had many customers pay attention to her since she had started working. I don't know why? I found her very cute. I guess it was her shy demeanor. We made a toast and downed our Tequila shots. And so the night began in earnest.

A little while later I ordered a second round and the waitress smiled and joked that little T finally had a customer. LOL. After the 2nd shot I kissed T and she responded well, but I was feeling too exposed in front of the stage and too close to customers to do my thing, so I suggested we move to the back of the bar for more privacy. T found a table in a back corner and the location was more to my liking and we still had a good view of the stage. T's friend came by and T introduced her friend Marie to me. I then ordered 3rd round of Tequila for the three of us.

After that T and I got romantic and started making out. She gave me her tongue and I sucked on it a while. I palmed her small, but attractive breasts. At one point Marie suggested a body shot. I looked at T and asked if she was up for it as I kind of doubted T with her shyness would be into it. But she said she was and I ordered a 4th round. I love Tequila and bar girls. What a combination. When the Tequila arrived, I noticed the waitress had made a switch and gave T the bigger shot glass and we joked about it. Then there was some confusion on T's part because she thought she was going to lick the Tequila off my nipples not the other way around. When I explained to her what a body shot was really all about, her shyness kicked in again. LOL. I whispered in her ear that she did not have to do it if she was uncomfortable. So we just made another toast and kicked back the 4th shot.

After my gallantry, T became very warm and loving towards me and I asked her if she wanted me to barfine her. She said yes. She also said I was only her 2nd barfine since she came to work here and that the other customer had merely taken her out to dinner. No sex. T also started giving me the Filipina "I am a good girl. Can you respect me if I work in a bar?" routine. God I love "innocent" fresh Filipina bar girls. I told her I was in the bar too so if she could respect me than I could respect her. I also threw in the line about the only thing that mattered to me was if a girl had a good heart. Anyway we engaged in a lot of this Tequila love talk as the liquor kicked in and I barfined or rather EWR'd T. In Subic, the EWR is alive and well. It is universally 1500 p, no matter the bar, and you pay in advance. All the girls on the stage applauded and cheered as we made our way to the door and I took T back to the Wild Orchid.

T was very impressed with the Wild Orchard and kept saying how clean the room was, how clean the bathroom was, how clean the pool was, ect. I asked her if she wanted a drink. She thought I meant going to the hotel bar or something. She was completely surprised when I opened the drawer of a cabinet and showed her the wet bar / refrigerator. She had never seen such an innovation. I turned on the TV and asked her what she liked to watch. She said she liked cartoons, naturally. So we sat on the bed watching Philippine TV and snuggling up close. We started to seriously kiss and suck tongue. Then I popped her small breasts out of her dress and they looked great. I started kissing her nipples and she encouraged me to take her entire breast into my mouth. That was a first for me I think. So there I was lying on top of little T with her entire breast in my mouth. After a while I got the hang of it and started tonging her nipple too while her entire breast was still enveloped in my mouth. She really liked this action and encouraged me to do the same thing to her other breast. Then I removed her dress entirely. She was not wearing a bra. She did not need too. I took off my T shirt and then let her feel my hard on. She smiled and said it was so big LOL. Then she took it out and started playing around with it. I took off my pants and we were both naked on the bed. Next, T wanted to take a shower solo (so sad), but I didn't care. I was really looking forward to shagging this delightful little girl. I knew it was going to be good. After we both showered we got back down to business. T smoked me tentatively at first, and then as she got used to it, she took most of my dick into her mouth.

She came up for air and gave me a naughty look. Then she slowly impaled herself on my dick. Her pussy felt warm and snug. Her thin little body was great too. She did not have any stretch marks from the birth of her little girl. I palmed her small round breasts. After a while I picked her up and placed her gently on her back. I then finished her off in mish while again taking her entire breast, one at a time into my mouth. Afterwards we held each other tight.

After we cleaned up and were relaxing on the bed, T asked if it was all right if she could leave around 5 am. I said sure. I never like to keep a girl any longer than she wants to stay. But I really liked this little girl. She reminded me of Edy, my little honey from OEW, back in 2013. T and I made plans to meet again tomorrow night at Lollipops. I invited T for a midnight swim tomorrow night and she was intrigued by the idea. I was glad I had taken a poolside room, if only for two nights.

So all in all it turned out to be a really good first night back in Subic. There is something about Subic girls that I really like. They are really nice simple girls and very sexy. If you are nice to them, they will give you plenty of the GFE back. I fell asleep with T wrapped around me. We both woke up around 8:30 am. T had overslept. We then had nice morning shag. Then we showered together and I body massaged her and played around with her soapy pussy.

We exchanged cell numbers and before we left my room I conspicuously placed a 300 p tip in T's purse. She asked again about tonight and I told her I would text her later and come by her bar around 8:30 to 9 pm. Then I took her to breakfast at the Wild Orchard beach annex restaurant. She had a mango smoothie and I had coffee, OJ, and scrambled eggs. T gobbled up a few spoonfuls of my eggs. After breakfast, I walked her to a waiting trike. She turned and waived until the trike rounded the bend and she was out of sight.

[FreebieFan]

Don't know about London, but adding another runway in Manila would require condemning a lot of private property. So it becomes a question of who owns (or squats on) the property.

Not forgetting that for every legal action taken, including by the government, then theres the omnipresent TRO which restricts any action till the legals are sorted, and that takes forever. If the government said it wanted a new runway today, my guess is it wouldn't be operational for the next 15-20 years.

[Soapy Smith]

If your driver is any good at all HE / she should _NOT_ be heading down "EDSA or through downtown Manila" to get to Angeles City. AV.

I guess it matters what we mean by downtown Manila. I am aware there may be four or five routes for crossing the Pasig River in the City of Manila in order to travel north through Bulacan Province. I have been with van and taxi drivers who have their favorite routes among these, but every one of them that I have been on involve lots of traffic congestion in some section or another of the City of Manila and / or Caloocan. So we could argue perhaps that Magtahan or Ayala Boulevard does not pass through "downtown" Manila, but even these two pass through congested areas on one or both sides of the Pasig River. No driver yet has shown me a quick, congestion-free route through the City of Manila. If your driver has some trade secret route, please consider sharing it with your brothers here, so we can try to convince our taxi drivers to use it. There's really not enough of us to add up to more congestion for your travel through the metropolis.

[X Man]

Now that's a new trick you'll have to teach us AV. How do we get out of downtown Manila without going thru downtown Manila?

Enroute to AC, I think I've avoided downtown Manila only once, but in that case my "driver" was a Cebu P pilot flying out of Cebu city to Clark.

If your driver is any good at all HE / she should _NOT_ be heading down "EDSA or through downtown Manila" to get to Angeles City.

AV.

[Amavida]

Your point is well taken, but for anybody traveling directly from the airport to AC or Olongapo, the grind--either on EDSA or through downtown Manila--is a given except for those arriving 9-10 pm or later at night.

If your driver is any good at all HE / she should _NOT_ be heading down "EDSA or through downtown Manila" to get to Angeles City.

AV.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Thanks for the reply S. Wit.

I had not read thoroughly into the recent conversation because of time constraints, so fired off a quick post. So, if the intent is to get skip AC and get quickly to the Subic Bay area, then I can see that Fly the Bus and S. Cross bus might not be good options.

ALthough I quoted S. Wit, my comment about the Subic City thread (this one) was directed at anyone unfamiliar with the area. Subic Bay is a generic term for the area, but Subic City is not the desired destination. Technically, it would be better that this conversation be held in the Olongapo thread. This has been a problem for a long time. Having the two threads is confusing. I wish the two threads could be merged. I guess it's unlikely someone will end up in the wrong place, but you never know. X.

To X.

I totally agree I ask Jackson that few yr ago to combine to one thread just not enough post and actions to have 2 thread justg confuse the newbie, most of us only know Subic bay anyway.

Fast eddie 48.

[Soapy Smith]

Is it possible to take a report with quote to another thread to reply in?

It is possible and I could have done it, if I had thought to. Just drag and copy everything in the quote, including the two QUOTEs and the outside brackets. Move to the other thread, click on "Add Report" and then paste the quoted section into the new text box. You can trim pieces out from the chunk you paste, but make sure you leave the bracketed QUOTE chunks at both ends. It may be possible to trim before you copy from the original thread, but I have never tried.

Don't know about London, but adding another runway in Manila would require condemning a lot of private property. So it becomes a question of who owns (or squats on) the property.

[X Man]

Thanks for the reply S. Wit.

I had not read thoroughly into the recent conversation because of time constraints, so fired off a quick post. So, if the intent is to get skip AC and get quickly to the Subic Bay area, then I can see that Fly the Bus and S. Cross bus might not be good options.

ALthough I quoted S. Wit, my comment about the Subic City thread (this one) was directed at anyone unfamiliar with the area. Subic Bay is a generic term for the area, but Subic City is not the desired destination. Technically, it would be better that this conversation be held in the Olongapo thread. This has been a problem for a long time. Having the two threads is confusing. I wish the two threads could be merged. I guess it's unlikely someone will end up in the wrong place, but you never know. X.

From my limited experience of about 4 trips, I have found that the bus departs at the advertised time from outside the booking office.

I have read the AC thread, and my impression is the hotel services operate Manila- Angeles and Angeles-Olongapo as separate services. Also, comments have not been consistently positive.

I don't remember bringing Subic City into the conversation, and am aware the bar section is in Barretto, hence the suggestion regarding services to Iba and Santa Cruz. I don't remember seeing this mentioned before, nor anything about Sampaloc terminal. As I stay in Ermita, I have never seen the point of grinding through traffic in a taxi to Pasay, to grind in traffic in a bus past where I have just come from.

VL website quotes " LTFRB & DOTC & LTO Joint Administrative Order 2014-01 "as the reason for the lack of timetables.

Osuul: I don't recall the timetable being off in June, but a great tip re phbus.com. Timings are about what I remember, but the fare seems to have increased. All of 20 p. Phils is going to hell in a hand basket!

[Shining Wit]

Your point is well taken, but for anybody traveling directly from the airport to AC or Olongapo, the grind--either on EDSA or through downtown Manila--is a given except for those arriving 9-10 pm or later at night. Thankfully, according to leaders, the elevated highway connecting the southern and northern expressways will be a reality within three years, and that will be the end of the traffic grind through Manila. Right.

Out of curiosity, doesn't this discussion relate to the Olongapo thread rather than Subic City? Barrio Barreto is in Olongapo, not Subic. From digging back into its beginning it appears this thread initially referred to the area north of Olongapo, where at one time there were apparently a number of bars. Technically, Subic is a municipality, not a city. There are hints in the first several pages of the thread that the girly bar scene in Subic, other than places catering to Filipinos, no longer amounts to much? And many early posts advised foreigners to stay out of the Filipino bars. Anybody with knowledge of the history of the place and current information care to comment?

You are probably right about which thread this should be in, but this is where the report I responded to is. Is it possible to take a report with quote to another thread to reply in?

Fair comment about the grind, but the point I was trying to make was that Pasay terminal is not the only option, as virtually every other post implies. AndyCap also said that HE would be in Manila for a few days, so convenience to Ermita might well be useful.

I take your comment " right " as meaning you are not optimistic. On a side note, as a Brit I am wondering who will get a new runway first. Manila or London?

[Soapy Smith]

As I stay in Ermita, I have never seen the point of grinding through traffic in a taxi to Pasay, to grind in traffic in a bus past where I have just come from.

Your point is well taken, but for anybody traveling directly from the airport to AC or Olongapo, the grind--either on EDSA or through downtown Manila--is a given except for those arriving 9-10 pm or later at night. Thankfully, according to leaders, the elevated highway connecting the southern and northern expressways will be a reality within three years, and that will be the end of the traffic grind through Manila. Right.

Out of curiosity, doesn't this discussion relate to the Olongapo thread rather than Subic City? Barrio Barreto is in Olongapo, not Subic. From digging back into its beginning it appears this thread initially referred to the area north of Olongapo, where at one time there were apparently a number of bars. Technically, Subic is a municipality, not a city. There are hints in the first several pages of the thread that the girly bar scene in Subic, other than places catering to Filipinos, no longer amounts to much? And many early posts advised foreigners to stay out of the Filipino bars. Anybody with knowledge of the history of the place and current information care to comment?

[Andy Cap]

Thank you very much for your help. You are really friends, and. As soon as I will be back, I promise that I will post a little report.

[Shining Wit]

I think your best bet is to go to the bus terminal, find the bus, get on the bus. Wait until every seat is full. That's the departure time. LOL.

Also check out "Fly the Bus" and "southern cross Hotel" bus. Both will take you directly to the Barrio Barreto section of Olongapo city. You can Google search or rtff at the Angeles city thread.

As has been clarified before, Olongapo City and Subic city are both on Subic Bay. The hotel / bar section is technically in the Barrio Barreto section of Olongapo city -- not in Subic City. X.

(I'm not sure what you mean about government departments. As far as I know, the long-haul bus companies are private companies.)

From my limited experience of about 4 trips, I have found that the bus departs at the advertised time from outside the booking office.

I have read the AC thread, and my impression is the hotel services operate Manila- Angeles and Angeles-Olongapo as separate services. Also, comments have not been consistently positive.

I don't remember bringing Subic City into the conversation, and am aware the bar section is in Barretto, hence the suggestion regarding services to Iba and Santa Cruz. I don't remember seeing this mentioned before, nor anything about Sampaloc terminal. As I stay in Ermita, I have never seen the point of grinding through traffic in a taxi to Pasay, to grind in traffic in a bus past where I have just come from.

VL website quotes " LTFRB & DOTC & LTO Joint Administrative Order 2014-01 "as the reason for the lack of timetables.

Osuul: I don't recall the timetable being off in June, but a great tip re phbus.com. Timings are about what I remember, but the fare seems to have increased. All of 20 p. Phils is going to hell in a hand basket!