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[Dick Johnson]

Thanks mrvee. Quality posts.

Needless to say if you go to Thailand those two chicks will give you total GFE.

[MrVee]

My one night in Singapore, January 2, 2003.

LONG VERSION Part 2:
Side-note: just as we were walking down the final flight of steps to exit the OT building, six Singapore policemen were entering the building. I have no knowledge of why or what (if anything) happened as a result. I’m just mentioning it because I saw it. There may have been unruly customer somewhere, or it may have just been some kind of standard operating procedure.

We walked back to my hotel, but looking back on it, should have taken a cab for $S10 – I was just buzzed enough that I wasn’t paying attention to the difference between my comfortable walking shoes and her not-made-for-walking platform shoes.

She said she’d never been in the Marriott before, and looked around cautiously as we entered. I told her not to worry. I had the room and bathroom all prepared for a guest (treat female visitors as you would any houseguest, and they’ll generally respond with appreciation that also serves your interests). First thing she asked for was payment, and I remembered all the advice you guys have written: never do that. So I wiggled on my response, but she was politely adamant, and I paid her just to avoid any tension, and I thought, welll, if she’s smart, she’ll still give me great service in hopes of a tip. Let me tell you in advance, she’s smart. She showered, then me. Next, a massage for her, which she seemed to genuinely enjoy. (I’ve had training.) It was a labor of love – I got to roam, touch, squeeze and stimulate every square inch of that fantastic body and perfect, tanned, tight skin. The kissing commenced and I was soon DATY in a shaved area that couldn’t have been nicer.

After she came, it was my turn and then I had a surprise – she asked me for a condom. I’m thinking, ‘What?? Surely these girls carry condoms! That would be like me showing up at a client site without my laptop computer. Second of all, if I was the girl, I’d want to know exactly what type/quality was being used.’ Luckily, I had brought three along with me, “just in case.” But I’ll also say this: Those were at least 5 years old, although they still seemed to be OK. I hate using condoms, but it’s the necessary evil of our day (lesser of two evils, the other one being AIDS … I’m already fixed so fear of pregnancy doesn’t come into play.) Point being: bring your own, guys. And if you don’t have one? Well, she might, but even so, she might just choose instead to say ‘no condom, no sex’ and give you two choices: 1-go buy one (yeah, that really ignites the libido), or 2-settle for a manual release. And here’s my next suggestion: think about how many you might need, then bring double that number. (You’ll know why in my next story.) Every position, every vantage point, lots of mutual interaction, kissing, etc. If I had to guess, the back door was closed, but I didn’t want to upset any of the already-glorious moments by introducing a potentially tense subject. Final moments were in 69 position and I yanked off that damn umbrella just before spackling the ceiling (slight exaggeration) so that she could watch. It was incredibly intense, even though just a day earlier I had my fourth blow-out (out of four total) in Manila. We cuddled a short while, she showered, dressed, I gave her $S50 for cab fare & extra tip for a fantastic session, then she left with a long, slow kiss at the doorway. She walked down the hall and I was just admiring that body all over again; she turned her head, smiled and winked knowingly as she rounded a corner.

I showered, changed and went back to OT to see if my friend was still there (well, that was partially my reason for going back). I used it as a cover to wander in and out of the clubs, ‘looking for my friend.’ Naturally I ran into my first girl, who was also looking for a friend. I was very, very tempted to just grab her for the rest of the night, but I really yearned for variety (like any good research scientist). We did casually embrace and interact, though, as we ran into each other in different clubs. I could tell she was occasionally watching my movements to see what I was ‘up’ to. The girl-to-guy ratio was still pretty bad, and where I found girls in abundance (like the country-western bar), a quick scan confirmed that they were mostly 6’s and maybe some 7’s - none of them came even close to girl #1 (9.5 out of 10). In one club, a girl was fairly assertive but she got somewhat put off when I asked her, as graciously as possible, if she was really a girl – she could have been a guy and I just wanted to be really sure. Well, that was the end of that – she still would have gone home with me, but the last thing I want is to spend the night with a girl who’s probably still smoldering over the implied insult. Working girls or not, they’re still girls. And let’s face it: those of us in various, skilled, highly educated professions know how to conduct a business – I think it’s safe to say that most of these girls wouldn’t necessarily be good business people.

[MrVee]

my one night in singapore, january 2, 2003.

long version part 1:
arrived in the early afternoon, mrt to orchard station, checked into the marriott, got settled and cleaned up. met with an email acquaintance that now lives in singapore and offered to show me around. drank from about 4:30 until 7:30, most of that time at the hotel’s outdoor café. the pedestrian traffic was phenomenal. my new friend and i could barely hold a conversation for all the visual distractions. the women! those nice, tight rear-ends, built for speed. what a prelude to the night ahead!

stopped by my friend’s hangout, a bar called the down under, close to my hotel. the plan was for us to quickly tour o.t. – yeah, right! but that really was the plan – then head over to geylang area just so i could put mental pictures to my research (all the posts by you guys).

we quickly moved in and out of numerous ot clubs, wound up on the fourth floor at crazy horse around 9:40 pm. remember, it was a thursday night, only one day after the new year. my buddy said things looked ‘dead’ compared to all his past experiences, even though 9:40 pm could be considered early.

here were my very first impressions: 1) the place is loud and dark. no good way to conduct a thorough study of the subjects. 2) there was an almost one-to-one ratio, girls to guys. i was hoping for at least two-to-one in favor of us guys, and had imagined more like a five-to-1 ratio.

my friend asserted that the dark/loud part is pretty standard for all the o.t. clubs, but there are ways to mitigate, such as just narrowing the field, then ask a girl to chat with you outside the club (like, will you walk with me to the restroom so we can talk?). the only potential downside to that is, by the time you get to that point, the girl is probably going to assume that your interest has reached the point of making an offer, but as sure as you get outside, you’ll see one, two, three or four girls wandering around that you’re equally if not more interested in than the one you’re talking to! point being, take your time, but don’t take too long over-analyzing your prospects or you’ll watch in frustration as some other guy is departing with your #1 candidate, possibly not to be seen again that night. but even if that happens, there will be another one – you’ll just have to consume more time in the hunt, which could be time better spent in the hump.

when we first got into crazy horse, we sat at a table near the entrance, so it was a brighter area than the rest of the club. there was a girl very subtly dancing at the adjacent table where two guys were sitting, so i naturally assumed that she was already spoken for, and i didn’t want to have any confrontations. but my friend and i were greatly admiring her and extolling her many physical attributes. she was wearing this form-fitting white leotard (for lack of the appropriate clothing name) and a midriff white top that tied in the middle. long back hair, looked 25 or so, but turns out she’s 30 (or so she said). beautiful eyes, face and wonderful lips. after several minutes of devoted study, i wanted to approach her but was worried about how the two asian-mafia looking dudes might react. my friend just tapped her on the shoulder and she shuffled over. thailand. she wasn’t particularly interactive with us, and i almost got the feeling that she was the one waiting for an ideal companion, and that i just wasn’t it. she half-listened and her eyes wandered as though in search of a bigger, better deal. my friend encouraged me to touch her, put my arm around her, feel her body (gently though, not groping). she didn’t flinch at all. she felt even better than she looked. at his next suggestion, i asked her “how much?” to leave with me. she wasn’t interested in “long time”, so we discussed short time. “1 hour, s$200” [us$120] price wasn’t the issue for me, but the time was. negotiated for 2 hours. she agreed. we left hand-in-hand. (continued in long version part 2 )

[MrVee]

Had another encounter in Green Mango – a petite and somewhat compelling Thai girl, but her friend was the one I really had my eyes on. They were both at a table with some guys hanging out there, so I just assumed it was the same situation as before, but as soon as I tapped the other girl on the shoulder to start a conversation, an aussie angrily threatened me to keep my hands off the girl – she was already spoken for. No problem, mate! Lighten up! Geez. But I suppose the unfavorable girl-to-guy ratio was partially to blame for his territoriality. But I’m wondering, if the girl’s already spoken for, why are you still in the club and not back at your place? (they had been there the whole 20 minutes I was wandering around) I bumped into another girl that was intriguing and I thought, maybe, why not? But after we started chatting and I didn’t instantly take her offer of ‘long time’, she got defensive in that way people do when they’re rejected even though I had not outright rejected her. But her emotional reaction and her statements giving evidence to it were a self-fulfilling prophecy – I’m not going to spend the night with some girl who’s pissed at me.

By now it’s 1:30 AM or so, and I’m thinking that I’d better find something fairly soon. It was odd to me that many of the girls I would have liked to talked to never bothered to make eye contact, smile or anything. Hell, I get that in the States 24x7, but I was surprised to find it in OT. And I’m not bad looking, if I do say so myself. And if the right girl (hot, hot, hot) with the right attitude pays extreme attention to me, price is no object – I would not have any problem giving her $S500 or $S600 for long time, but I mean, it would have to just the most incredible experience ever. While looks are important in these matters, attitude and service still reign. That’s why I really don’t care for escort agencies – you don’t know either what she looks like OR how she acts until she’s inside your room.

Last girl who approached me was all smiles and just assertive enough, but not pushy. Thai. She wanted me to take her and her friend home for the night, $S400. I negotiated to $S300 and we left (cab this time). In the cab they were very suggestive and touchy-feely. That alone was great, but the best was yet to come (twice, actually, though I didn’t think I had it in me). Got to the room, had a 3-way shower experience, had them lay down beside each other while I gave them both one-handed massages, then alternated deep French kissing and DATY, deep French again, more alternating DATY, then they alternated sucking me (covered) and fucking me. After drifting asleep, the younger girl and I went at it again, this time uncovered – she seemed to want it and intuitively trusted that I was clean. Finished after a prolonged session with uncovered 69 and release. In the AM before parting company, gave the older girl $S150, as agreed for her share, plus $S50 to cover an extra tip and their cab fare home. The older girl was the one who first approached me and appeared to be the business person of the pair. Gave the younger girl $S300 just because she serviced me all that much better than the first one, especially considering the early morning uncovered session. Total gift: $S500, about $300US. Could I have sent them home with the originally agreed upon $S300 + cab fare? Sure. Did I freely choose to give them extra? Absolutely. Do I regret it one bit? Abso-fucking-lutely not. So, I did my part to keep the general prices down, but at the same time retained the option to generously give them more than what we originally agreed to. They’ve got my email address; probably hear from them after they get back to Thailand next week. Or not. Either way, I have one helluva campfire story for my high school buds next time we go on our annual hiking trek.

[MrVee]

I did not interpret DJ's reply as attack or defensive, and it sounds like everyone is on the same playing field again. Cool. I've returned from Singapore and I'm going to give two versions: a Short version and Long version for those of you who want very personal editorial insights.

Here is the short version, to be followed by the longer narrative in my next post.

My one night in Singapore, January 2, 2003.

SHORT VERSION:
O.T. ‘short time=2 hours’ 30-year-old Thai girl with fantastic body. $S200. DATY, covered BJ, covered intercourse, numerous positions, finished with 69 and uncovered hand job during 69. An hour later, back at O.T., two Thai girls, in their 20’s, about 7.0 out of 10 in the looks department, 9 out of 10 in attitude/approach. ‘long time=from 1:30AM until 7AM’ offered at $S400 but negotiated to $S300. Girls shared but not simultaneously interactive. Deep French kissing, Sucked and fucked by both until I came explosively. Slept for awhile, awoke to the kissing of the younger one, who earlier had been the shy one. Wound up mounting me uncovered and we went at it while her friend either slept or just lay quietly. Finally came after a long 69 session, then cuddled with both of them through the remaining hours before having to get ready to catch my 9:45 AM flight (damn!). I’ll be back in Singapore, oh yes sirree.

Look for LONG VERSION in adjacent post from me.

[Dick Johnson]

I might have sounded harsh but I was merely stating some facts.

I recommend blowing a few hundred Sing dollars in Geylang.

[Dana]

thanks for responding to my post dj, and i guess it was pretty stupid of me to make the comment about singapore being more expensive than thailand. all i really meant was that you'd be better off spending the money and taking a trip to thailand if what you were looking for was a pretty girl to take back to your hotel.

i do live in asia now, and will probably be here for a very long time because of my line of work. the only reason i am in singapore now is to check out a potential job offer. i actually love it here, but i just thought i'd comment on orchid towers because i've heard so much about it in the past. i've actually had guys tell me they fly to singapore just to go to orchid towers!

i did read all the other posts on singapore, but i'm just not interested in the brothel scene. i'm not really that big of a sex tourist type guy, but i do like to have fun once in a while. also, i like the comfort of a nightclub. i actually did peek in top ten last night, but it was almost completely empty even at around midnight. i never went back up to see if it got busy.

one more thing. i was just reporting on what i saw, and i thought that's what this forum was for. no need to attack!

[Dick Johnson]

Originally posted by Dana
Singaporean visitors who are coming here to pickup girls at OT have got it rough! I've spent the last 3 nights at Orchid Towers and the quality of the girls is low, with prices incredibly high compared to Thailand or even the Phillipines!

--Dick J : Of course it's more expensive, Singapore's per capita income is 15 times that of Thailand! Quality is high if the money is right. No money no honey baby! LOL.

--DJ : I have posted a while back that Singapore is not a cheap country to visit.

--DJ : Also don't come to Singapore if all you want is sex.

--DJ : Come here to do business or sighty seeing and have a little sex on the side. Singaporeans go to other countries to get laid and the working girls in Singapore are from other countries.

--DJ : Lots of people visit Asia and they generalize things about Asia. I met a stupid guy in a third world country and he was being rude and insulting. Some guys goes whoring in 3rd world countries and all they see is the sex scene.

--DJ : It's like a guy who goes to South and Central America, to Peru, Mexico, Brazil and then goes to North America, to California and says, "Why things are so expensive? It's all America?!" It's amazing to me people would know about Orchard Towers but not know about the very basic fact that Singapore is a first world country and you cannot expect third world prices in a first world country!

--That said there are many people who have great experiences in Singapore and in OT. Just look at past posts.



I think it's a beautiful place here and all,

--Go around the Marina area at night, the whole stretch of Orchard Road, plus Night Safari, Bird Park etc etc.

but they really must get the rejects from gogos in Thailand, and retired old bar girls. Almost all the women were in thier late 20's early 30's, or are just plain dumpy and ugly. I've seen only two girls out of hundreds that were worthy of even talking to so far. I tried to drink enough Jack and Coke last night to elevate my mood and blur the vision a bit, but to no avail.

--There is quantity, not quality, I think I posted that before... however, quality is in Top Ten for more $$$.

There are so many strikingly beautiful women walking around during the day, you just wish some of them were available at night too.

--Unfortunately.

I have to admit I didn't make it up to top ten.

--There you go! I always go there if in OT.

Does anybody know if that place is better than Ipanema or Green Mango? Those seemed to be the only places open with any real crowds.

--Of course Top Ten is better. How else can they get away with that cover charge? High ceiling, good sound system, live band, good seating, beats most discos in USA.

I'm open for suggestions if anyone can help!

--Sounds like you didn't even go to Geylang. My suggestion : read past posts on this board.

[Dana]

Singaporean visitors who are coming here to pickup girls at OT have got it rough! I've spent the last 3 nights at Orchid Towers and the quality of the girls is low, with prices incredibly high compared to Thailand or even the Phillipines! I think it's a beautiful place here and all, but they really must get the rejects from gogos in Thailand, and retired old bar girls. Almost all the women were in thier late 20's early 30's, or are just plain dumpy and ugly. I've seen only two girls out of hundreds that were worthy of even talking to so far. I tried to drink enough Jack and Coke last night to elevate my mood and blur the vision a bit, but to no avail. There are so many strikingly beautiful women walking around during the day, you just wish some of them were available at night too. I have to admit I didn't make it up to top ten. Does anybody know if that place is better than Ipanema or Green Mango? Those seemed to be the only places open with any real crowds.

I'm open for suggestions if anyone can help!

[Giffy]

To Wolf:

OKT = "Oh Kui Tao" (pronounced as Hokkien, wide known and spoken dialect), Chinese direct translation means "a tortoise's head" but it really means a pimp

Hope this would enlighten everyone's confusion & misery about this abbreviation.

Regards
GIFFY

[Wolf]

Hi Guys,

I just had a great time in Singapore and wanted to provide details.

Geyland :

Thanks to Mr Giffy's post, I went to L16H10 in Geyland on last Monday at 15h00. I requested the OKT (still do not know what it means) to get me a girl for a multiple shot for at leadt one hour. He propsed a 2 shots/60mn deal for 150 Sing $ which I accepted immediatly.
Miss Ping Ping being on rest I ask the OKT (to provide me with a nice girl with special attitude and aptitude. I wanted a chinese malay. He got me one. A superb girl of 178cm with a wonderful 32 C breast and a tongue which would wake up a dead.
She took my clothes off, play with our friend, took me to the shower, wash we everywhere, I mean it, everywhere, making me remember places I had forgotten... inside and out....
She then drieed me and put me on the bed face down and started to provided a nice and very light massage joint with a delicious tongue rim all over my body. From head to toes liteerally she licked me. So good gents. She gave me that wonderfull ass rim for about 5mn, french kissing my ass. For those who never tried, I assure it worth the try. I was like you and thought this was a trouble guy's trick. Well, either I am troubled or I definitely liked it. Try it.
She then turn me on my back and played with my nipples and my ears, caressing my dick so gently it was hard wood to hurt. She rubbed me between her to wonderfull breast till I was almost exploding.
She ask me what I wanted and I requested a very good blow job. She simply gave me a wonderfull sucking making me yell and allowed me to come in her mouth my fill load. Then with no hurry, she cleaned me and went towash her mouth. She came back and caressed me again till I came back hard bone again. She then gently put a condom on with her mouth and went sitting on top of me. She rock me for about another 5 to 10 mn and make me come another time.
She then washed me again completely and helped me to dress.

Superb experience for a very decent price.

Girl : 8 to 9 for sure
Breast : 9
Face : 8
Body : 9
Technic : BJ = 10, FS = 8
Name = Kitty (available every day from 12 to 21 apparently)
Eager to serve in hotel as well. Call 9272 4103.
Speaks limited but ok English.

Place : 7 for the choiced offered, 5 for the cleaness.... or the what you believe is cleaned.

OKT : Mr Ah Meng is eager to please and to find you the girls the way you want them as long as you fuck them in his establishment. Prices are a little negociable according the hours and the type of girls you wanyt. Multiple girls deal possible. Cheaper if pure chinese girls. More expensive if Chinese Malay.
Tel = 747 2664 / 744 3063.

[Aussietoy]

franco....OT and Geylang will probably be difficult, though you might have a bit of luck in some of the Geylang brothels who might provide fetish themes. You would probably have to provide the clothing yourself, have fun explaining those items to Singaporean Customs Officers*lol*

Big Wang...i think you are in the wrong forum mate. Share with us tails of love,or at least lust, fantasy and all things pink & furry(or shaved) & wet attached to soft subtle bodies.
This is not a political site, so other comments are neither appropriate nor appreciated.

the aussietoy

[Franco]

Any advice on getting fetish services in Singapore :
* uniforms (teacher, nurse,...)
* nylon fetish (garter belts, nyloned footjob...)
* high heels domination

[BigWang]

Yeah, I know it was around Jan 12 newspaper but didn't mention the date just yet so as to get a little more response. If I said it was a yr ago then people would asy it's yesterdays news. Anyway thanks lobo cuz I didn't find much of an answer searching thru the net. Glad the Singapore Governement seems to solve thing most of the time.

BTW, someone mentioned a long time ago about a ho being murdered. That was more then 10yrs ago and it happened when a ho A told another ho B's boyfriend what B does to other customers. Ho B received the death sentence.

Singapore is quite safe. BTW, the authorities busted a few Al Queda members who infiltrated Singapore.

[Lobo]

Gents,

The double murder that Dick J. refers to happened almost a year ago and was solved quite awhile ago. I believe the murderer was a Brit who was apprehended in Australia. I don't know the details, but one of my Singaporean friends told me this guy was totally into ecstasy (the drug, not necessarily the emotion). Speaking of ecstasy, I'm also told that there's some of it going around in OT - some of those sketchy looking guys who lurk and monger in the darker corners of the OT dance clubs.

Anyway, it's always a good idea to be careful around OT, but this specific case was solved. For more info, check out http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/yr2002/story/0,4395,162736,00.html?

Lobo