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[Cgfog]

Hi fellow hunters,

I've been viewing a few postings and I most say great job everybody. I'll be in Seoul around mid-september and I'm looking for a place where I can find a nice Korean that provide great service for a first-timer (Asian girl). There are so many options to choose from. I'm so confused. Help need here. Thanks ahead.

Cgfog

[Three I]

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/ht...505300011.html

Two-Thirds of Married Women 'Can Imagine Affairs'

Celibacy Is Bad for You: Survey

If one day your wife looks out the window and starts smiling for no reason you can discover, it may be because another man is in her heart. "It started out of curiosity," says 38-year-old Kim Yeong-mi (not her real name). Three months ago she met an old classmate through her Cyworld blog. They had dinner together, short dates grew into long drinking sessions, and one thing led to another.
"When I heard him say, 'You're still as pretty as ever,' I felt like a woman for the first time in a long while. It had been ages since I heard that or got that feeling from my husband."

The entire time she dated her lover, she felt pain thinking of her husband, her nine-year-old daughter and seven-year-old son. Yet each time she decided to break it off, she found herself waiting for her lover’s calls instead and arrived early at their place of rendezvous.

"I confessed to my friend, but she said to keep meeting him until I grew sick of him. Don't break up your family, she said. She said there’s barely a married woman who doesn’t have a bit on the side these days."

In a poll of 1,000 married women conducted by the Chosun Ilbo, the Korea Institute of Sexology, Pfizer Korea and Research Plus, 63 percent of respondents said they could imagine having sex with a man other than their husband. Some 21 percent said they were sitting on the fence, and only 16 percent said they could never sleep with anyone other than their husband.

Park Mi-jin (not her real name) is 43 and seeing a younger man despite being married for 15 years. "In the past, when I told my friends I had a lover, they used to say I was crazy, but now they say I'm clever."

Chun Kyoung-hee of DeRyook International Law Firm says, "Fewer people now think of marriage as an eternal promise, so infidelity and divorce are rising rapidly." As women grow more active in society and their economic power increases, their thinking about marriage and affection has grown freer, she said.

For a thesis on extramarital relationships, Sungkyunkwan University student Yang Da-jin interviewed 196 women in the Seoul-Gyeonggi Province area. “Of the respondents, 26 percent said they had had an extramarital affair,” she says. “The women were frank and unconcerned writing down their experiences on the questionnaire."

Some attribute this atmosphere to TV dramas and movies that make infidelity look good. Since the 1996 drama "Aein" (Lover), women’s infidelity has ceased to be the stuff of controversy, with films such as "Happy End", "Ardor", and "Three Women" following the trend. The Internet, too, makes illicit relationships easier. Most of the respondents who confessed they had lovers said they met the men on school alumni sites or online chat. Psychologist Lee Eun-ha says, "The environment, like dramas and films, just helped break social taboos; infidelity on the part of women is rising as they grow confident that they can live on their own even after divorce thanks to their increased economic power."

Choe Yeong-lee (assumed name), 37, who is having an affair with a colleague, said, "My husband thinks of me as someone who's there to do housework, but my lover is always considerate of me." What makes her stay with her husband? "My husband has had many flings with bar girls. We just pretend not to know," she says.

(englishnews@chosun.com )

[Guy In Seoul]

Yes. (English) teachers in Korea require an E2 (work) visa. An E2 visa requires a university degree.

That said, many teach here illegally. There are problems associated with this and recently, as with the crackdown on prostitution, there have been efforts to crack down on illegal teachers. There is in fact some connection...

As a canadian, you have the easiest ability to teach here privately (illegally) because you get an automatic 6 month visa. This is the longest tourist visa. But, you might need to explain why you come and go every 6 months. Korea is not much of a tourist destination. You will also need to work in cash. But, each time you leave the country and return you will have a legal right to export up to US $10,000. This includes wire transfers or cash out of country. You can always just mail money home as well.

There are many horror stories our there, in fact I saw an entire site devoted to problems some native English teachers had encountered after they started the job and the schools did not honor their contract and vice versa. I would imagine that there are many university degree students/graduates who would have the edge on you but then it may depend on where and why you want to teach.

Here is a good link from the U.S. Embassy with advice on this subject (I'm assuming that you're an American, but if not much of this info still applies)

Read, do your homework, and conduct a thorough research before you sign the contract, the job does not appear to as attractive (in many forms) as one would think.


http://usembassy.state.gov/seoul/wwwh3550.html

and also this
http://www.kotesol.org/

and more

http://www.teamenglish.com/recruit/why.php

http://www2.ald.net/~roden/korea/pages/culture.htm

http://hifromseoul.********.com/2005...ing-media.html

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/pub...th_korea.shtml

[Guy In Seoul]

Thanks for the article reference.

Can anyone tell me what person in their right mind would come to America to be a fucking waitress?

Exactly.

Of course there are the few exceptions but let's get realistic here.

DH

I think that if there are the specific clues that it's a sex job, most would probably be savvy. But there's a lot of Korean girls who want to go to an English-speaking country. They even go so far as to pay agencies to setup work-travel visas for them where they do the most crappy jobs, least of all being a waitress. I think that there might be gals who would fall for this, even if it's too good to be true.

But, you're right. If it says anything more than "waitress" or mentions ridiculous amounts of money, then they should know what they're getting into.

[LexLuther]

Is Ms Kim still living in Songtan City?

LexLuther

[Run Mann]

You have to wonder why there are so many Koreans involved in these type stories. There's a lot more than other (poorer) countries you never hear about in this light. Can't just be economics, or maybe these girls are so much more easily influenced or just dumb.

Canada overun with South Korean women in prostitution exodus

July 13, 2005

New report says B.C. is a major hub for Korean sex trade workers as websites in Seoul urge women to go overseas and make up to $28,000 a month in massage parlours and bars.

A crackdown on prostitution in South Korea has triggered an exodus of sex trade workers to Vancouver, Toronto and cities in the United States, authorities in Seoul warn. Several human smugglers and pimps in Seoul have also posted websites in Korea urging the sex trade workers to make money overseas.
Korean media quoting local police said the sex workers are moving abroad after new anti-prostitution laws made the world? oldest profession more difficult at home.
They are heading for the U.S., Canada and Australia, but some settle for countries such as Thailand, Vietnam, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan better known for export rather than import of sex workers, one report said.

In North America, they apparently work in smaller cities and towns as well as big urban centers like Los Angeles, New York, Washington DC, Toronto and Vancouver, the report said. Hong Kong and Europe have recently been added to the list of destinations. It seems that since the Special Law on Prostitution went into effect, the number of pimps and prostitutes going abroad is skyrocketing,??a police officer said. "But we don't have the full picture since most leave the country ostensibly for tourism."

Dedicated web groups are awash with advertisements drawing prostitutes abroad.
A typical post on one such site boasting no fewer than 1,430 members said, 'we know that in Korea these days, unemployment, the recession and the Special Law on Prostitution make it hard to earn even half of what you made before. Try a new W8 million a month (CDN$9,500 to CDN$12,000) in a bar, W18-24 million (C$21,000 to C$28,500) a month in a massage parlor guaranteed. Advances possible. We take care of visas and bad credit.'

There are dozens of groups on the Internet portal site Daum that hook up women looking for work abroad with pimps. Most of the sites require detailed member registration. To join one group (www.cafe.daum.net/goldgold486) with 320 members, applicants must indicate their height, age, weight and work experience and upload a genuine photograph.
This month, federal prosecutors in the U.S. arrested about 50 members of two criminal organizations who fixed Korean sex workers up with jobs in San Francisco.

They are now holding about 100 Korean prostitutes, many of whom are believed to have entered the United States after arriving in Vancouver or Toronto. U.S. prosecutors claim the bust was one of the biggest prostitution takedowns in history. The nine-month investigation of Korean prostitution rings was codenamed 'Operation Gilded Cage.'

The women allegedly worked as prostitutes at 10 massage parlors in and around San Francisco. Authorities said the alleged San Francisco sex ring involved an elaborate operation that used a travel service to entice and bring in young women from South Korea and a cab company to shuttle them between brothels.

Authorities believe that operators of the alleged sex ring targeted women from impoverished parts of South Korea. The operators allegedly told the women they could work as waitresses and bar hostesses in America if each paid a fee of C$12,300 to C$18,600. The fate of the women will hinge on whether prosecutors determine they were forced to work against their will or whether they participated in the sex ring voluntarily, said Bradley Schlozman, acting assistant U.S. attorney general for civil rights.

The women, who are being kept at an undisclosed location, will be considered victims of [CodeWord908] if they were forced to participate in labor or commercial sexual activity, Schlozman said. "The women need not have been locked in a room in order to be a victim of a severe form of trafficking," he said. "Maybe they've been forced to do this in order to pay off a debt that is unreasonable, and maybe there have been threats to their families or to them. It's a whole variety of considerations."

If they are found to have been victims, then the women will be provided with help from private organizations. Ivy Lee, an attorney with Asian Pacific Islander Legal Outreach in San Francisco, said the immediate tasks would be getting the women health care, counseling and help for their children and finding them a safe place to stay, likely in a shelter for victims of domestic violence.

"We would focus on stabilizing her situation and trying to explain to her what her situation is," she said. "A lot of them are going to be confused about what the hell is going on. 'What's happening to me? What are my options? Am I going to jail? And also, who are all these people?'"

If law enforcement requires them to stay in the United States to help with the investigation, the women are entitled to the same health coverage, cash assistance and English classes that refugees and those seeking asylum receive, Lee said.

The women can at any time decide to return to South Korea, although law enforcement officials could then declare them a 'material witnesses' to the case, forcing them to stay in the United States without any benefits.
The women can simultaneously apply for visas, which will allow them 'as trafficking victims willing to cooperate with law enforcement' to stay for an additional three years. They are then eligible to apply for green cards.

Lee said one of the biggest threats to the women is if the alleged traffickers hire attorneys to find the women and offer them legal assistance. In the past, she said, lawyers for alleged traffickers would lure the women back into a sex ring. Last February, it emerged that an organization sold 38 women to brothels in Australia, New Zealand and Canada in conditions of virtual bonded labor. Police say the organization would advance the women millions of Won they had to pay back at 60 percent interest and forced them to pay medical expenses for diseases contracted on the job.

The women had to sign up to a 'Code of conduct' that fined them CDN $372 for arguing with customers and CDN $62 for showing up a minute late to work. At an international meeting on [CodeWord908] in Bangkok, Thailand last October, Kim Yeong-Ran of the Naeil Women's Center for Youth said an increasing number of Korean men who go on sex tours abroad was paralleled by a growing number of Korean sex workers going overseas.

The U.S. State Department in a report last month said Canada is a primary destination and transit country for women trafficked for the purposes of labor and sexual exploitation.

The Trafficking in Persons Report 2005 said the majority of foreign victims transiting Canada are bound for the United States. Numbers are hard to gauge, but in February 2004, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) estimated that 800 persons are trafficked into Canada annually and that an additional 1,500-2,200 persons are trafficked through Canada into the United States. Some estimate that this number is much higher.

The report said law enforcement efforts in key provinces like British Columbia - through which a significant number of Korean and other female victims are trafficked to the United States - were weak in 2004. Canada struggles to identify trafficking victims inside clandestine migrant smuggling operations. There are growing concerns that South Koreans and others may be abusing the lack of a visa requirement to enter Canada to facilitate the trafficking of men and women, mainly to the United States.

To enhance its anti-trafficking efforts, Canada needs to use its anti-trafficking law to vigorously increase investigations, arrests, prosecutions, and convictions of traffickers, especially those who may be abusing visa waivers and entertainment visas. In British Columbia, a transit zone for trafficking to the United States, there has been few convictions, the report said.

Additionally, there continues to be anecdotal reports of large numbers of South Korean women trafficked through Canada to the United States. The lack of a visa requirement to enter Canada, lack of prosecutions, and an inability to determine the scope of the problem has made Canada, particularly British Columbia, an attractive trafficking hub for East Asian traffickers.

Airline passenger analysis shows that the number of Koreans returning to Korea on flights from Vancouver Canada is 25 percent less than the number arriving on flights from Korea, but the ties to trafficking are not known.
Observers believe that several hundred South Koreans have been trafficked through Canada to the U.S. since 2000, but they state that this estimate is modest.

[Dizz Hizz]

Thanks for the article reference.

As a California native, I think everyone, or at least every straight heterosexual Korean American male realizes what Los Angeles and San Francisco have to offer in the Korean areas of town. You can pick up newspapers at any given Korean supermarket and find advertisements for massages all over the place! It's no surprise as outcall massage places, actual massage establishments, room salons are run by exported talent so to speak.

I have friends who love to play and every one of my buddies have told me that the girls are fresh off the boat, do not even speak a word of English and are somewhat familiar with what they are doing. I can guarantee that not all these girls come to America thinking that they will be a waitress.

Can anyone tell me what person in their right mind would come to America to be a fucking waitress?

Exactly.

Of course there are the few exceptions but let's get realistic here.

DH

[Run Mann]

Bonuses for bikini-clad bathers anger South Korean women's group

July 13, 2005


Bonuses for bikini-clad bathers, while poular, are angering South Korean women's groups. Meanwhile plans for a nude beach further stir emotions.

Seoul - A local government campaign to attract more bathers to a South Korean beach resort by offering incentives to swimmers wearing bikinis has upset women's rights activists.

Ahead of the peak summer bathing season, Buan County administration southwest of Seoul renamed its Byeonsan Beach Bikini Beach and promised wearers of skimpy swimsuits a 10-percent discount on bills for hotels, meals and beach equipment rentals.

The county put up wall posters with pictures of bikini-clad beauties and the inscription: "Show off your beauty and get a 10-percent discount."

Women's groups denounced the campaign as exploitation.

"This is an outrageous attempt to stimulate the regional economy by exploiting the female sex," said a statement from the association of women activists of North Jeolla Province.

A campaign to attract more visitors should focus on publicizing the southwestern county's "natural beauty instead of the naked female body," it said.

"We are appalled at this preposterous campaign and cannot suppress our mounting anger," it said.

But officials at the Buan county office were unrepentant and said by telephone that they had no plan to stop the campaign.

"I don't understand why they are so angry. This is just part of a publicity campaign aimed at promoting the name of the Bikini Beach. We have no intention to exploit or commercialize the female sex," an official told AFP.

This latest controvery comes amid tentative plans for South Koreas first nude beach. Last month authorities in Kangwon Province announced that they would seek public support for their plans to designate a part of Kangnung or Kosong region beaches for nude bathers.

[Run Mann]

Kind of a strange post, are you more interested in historic sites or sex? Thailand has just about as many, if not more historic sites than Korea. There's an abundance of tours they try to sell you the minute you land at the Airport. If you're looking for sex, there's no comparison, I never heard of any monger not having a great time in Thailand and unlike Korea, there's no crackdown and it’s much cheaper. Can you say Nana Hotel, Nana Plaza, Eden Club or Soi Cowboy?

Korean chicks are available if you come to Korea, but they will cost you more in terms of time and money. "Hotter" is subjective and depends more on what you like.

I am debating whether I should go to Korea with two of my co-workers or go to Thailand alone for my 2 weeks paid vacation. After doing a few research, I conclude that in Korea, chicks are hotter and there are more historic site scene than Thailand. On the other hand, Thailand is basically a sex tour or a disneyland for mongers. Any suggestions?

[Dizz Hizz]

Amper,

I'll make this simple as I can. Apparently some fellow mongers have been somewhat discontent due to their skin color and eye shape (excludes Seoul Survivor).

If your from Korean descent or have very good Korean language speaking abilities, then by all means come to Korea and sample what this place has to offer.

If your Korean sucks and you just want to ***** it up, go to Bangkok.

DH

[Amper]

I am debating whether I should go to Korea with two of my co-workers or go to Thailand alone for my 2 weeks paid vacation. After doing a few research, I conclude that in Korea, chicks are hotter and there are more historic site scene than Thailand. On the other hand, Thailand is basically a sex tour or a disneyland for mongers. Any suggestions?

[Ho Man]

Aha! I see!

[Run Mann]

I've done that with some articles in the pass, but after a while some of those stories gets removed from the orginal source thus rendering the links invalid or to read "page not found."

Dear Messrs Mann and Mirrors

Would it be possible, in future, rather than posting long newspaper articles, to simply paste the weblink? THis forum should be for the exchange of original information.

Thanks

[Ho Man]

Dear Messrs Mann and Mirrors

Would it be possible, in future, rather than posting long newspaper articles, to simply paste the weblink? THis forum should be for the exchange of original information.

Thanks

[Run Mann]

US officials ask if sex trade forced on South Koreans

Women allegedly not told they'd be prostitutes in US

By Heather Knight
July 4, 2005

More than 100 South Korean women who were taken into custody during a federal crackdown on alleged prostitution and [CodeWord908] in San Francisco and Los Angeles are being interviewed to determine whether they were forced into the sex trade and how they were treated, authorities said Saturday.

The women allegedly worked as prostitutes at 10 massage parlors in San Francisco and one in Emeryville that were raided Thursday by hundreds of federal and local law enforcement agents. Authorities said the alleged San Francisco sex ring involved an elaborate operation that used a travel service to entice and bring in young women from South Korea and a cab company to shuttle them between brothels.

Authorities believe that operators of the alleged sex ring targeted women from impoverished parts of South Korea. The operators allegedly told the women they could work as waitresses and bar hostesses in America if each paid a fee of $10,000 to $15,000. On Thursday, agents arrested 27 suspects in Northern California and 18 people in Southern California believed to be involved in the operations.

The fate of the women will hinge on whether prosecutors determine they were forced to work against their will or whether they participated in the sex ring voluntarily, Bradley Schlozman, acting assistant US attorney general for civil rights, said Saturday. The determination should be made within the next three days, he said.

The women, who are being kept at an undisclosed location, will be considered victims of [CodeWord908] if they were forced to participate in labor or commercial sexual activity, Schlozman said.

"The women need not have been locked in a room in order to be a victim of a severe form of trafficking," he said. "Maybe they've been forced to do this in order to pay off a debt that is unreasonable, and maybe there have been threats to their families or to them. It's a whole variety of considerations."

If they are found to have been victims, then the women will be provided with help from private organizations.

Ivy Lee, an attorney with Asian Pacific Islander Legal Outreach in San Francisco, said the immediate tasks would be getting the women health care, counseling and help for their children and finding them a safe place to stay, likely in a shelter for victims of domestic violence.

"We would focus on stabilizing her situation and trying to explain to her what her situation is," she said. "A lot of them are going to be confused about what the hell is going on. 'What's happening to me? What are my options? Am I going to jail? And also, who are all these people?' "

If law enforcement requires them to stay in the United States to help with the investigation, the women are entitled to the same health coverage, cash assistance and English classes that refugees and those seeking asylum receive, Lee said.

The women can at any time decide to return to South Korea, although law enforcement officials could then declare them a "material witness" to the case, forcing them to stay in the United States without any benefits.

The women can simultaneously apply for visas, which will allow them -- as trafficking victims willing to cooperate with law enforcement -- to stay for an additional three years. They are then eligible to apply for green cards.

Lee said one of the biggest threats to the women is if the alleged traffickers hire attorneys to find the women and offer them legal assistance. In the past, she said, lawyers for alleged traffickers would lure the women back into a sex ring.

If the women are found to have come to the United States illegally, but were not victims of trafficking, they would be deported. The federal government would not prosecute them for prostitution, although the San Francisco district attorney's office could file those charges, Schlozman said.

The women are now staying one or two to a room in a "secure and safe" facility that authorities won't disclose for fear of others involved in the alleged sex ring attempting to contact or harm the women in some way, Schlozman said.

Attorneys with the civil rights division of the US attorney's office, FBI investigators, immigrations and customs enforcement officers and linguists who speak English and Korean are all present at the facility, Schlozman said.

The women are being interviewed one at a time by federal prosecutors trained in dealing with victims of trafficking with a translator present. The women will be provided with legal counsel if they ask for it. Schlozman added they are not being interrogated.

"We're not trying to get any information on them for use in any kind of criminal proceeding," he said. "We're just trying to get information on whether they're victims

(and this....)


US busts tell sorry tale of Korean prostitutes abroad

Korean sex workers look for greener pastures

July 4, 2005

The number of Korean women looking for work as prostitutes abroad or being trafficked for the purpose is on the increase. Some 50 members of two gangs busted in California on Friday on charges of selling hundreds of Korean women to places of prostitution are just the tip of the iceberg.

Destinations for Korean sex workers are no longer limited to developed nations like the US, Canada, Australia and Japan. Korean police say the number of women working in bars, karaoke clubs and massage parlors in countries frequented by growing numbers of Korean tourists like Thailand, Vietnam, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan is increasing. Meanwhile in North America the realm of activity of Korean sex workers is spreading from major urban centers like Washington DC, Los Angeles, New York and Toronto to smaller cities and towns.

In February, it emerged that an organization sold 38 women to brothels in Australia, New Zealand and Canada in conditions of virtual bonded labor. Police say the organization would advance the women millions of won they had to pay back at 60 percent interest and forced them to pay medical expenses for diseases contracted on the job. The women had to sign up to a "code of conduct" that fined them US$300 for arguing with customers and US$50 for showing up a minute late to work.

At an international meeting on human traficking in Bangkok, Thailand last October, Kim Yeong-ran of the Naeil Women's Center for Youth said an increasing number of Korean men who go on sex tours abroad was paralleled by a growing number of Korean sex workers going overseas. Police said it appeared that since the Special Law on Prostitution went into effect in September, the number of pimps and prostitutes heading overseas was rapidly increasing. But they have no idea of the exact scale of the problem since most of the women leave the country ostensibly for tourism.

Meanwhile, federal prosecutors in the US have arrested 27 members of an organization who fixed Korean sex workers up with jobs in San Francisco, and are holding about 100 Korean prostitutes. In Los Angeles, which has a large Korean population, 18 were arrested on charges of smuggling Korean prostitutes into the country and setting them up in safe houses as part of what US prosecutors claim was one of the biggest prostitution busts in history. The nine-month investigation of Korean prostitution rings was codenamed "Operation Gilded Cage."

US authorities believe the gangs sold the women to places in Los Angeles, Texas, Colorado, Massachusetts, New York and Las Vegas after smuggling them in through Mexico and Canada, where they served local and Korean clients. Most had worked as prostitutes in Korea and went overseas as domestic anti-prostitution laws started to bite. Federal prosecutors said the gangs were abusing the hopes and dreams of immigrants.