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12-12-04 01:12 #1964
Where exactly is friends? I'll be going there next week and want to check it out. I see Korea is not like it used to be last time I was there, but i'll check out Miari and 588 and post what I see.
If any one out there wants to check out some business clubs send me a message as I dont speak Korean and have never been there.
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12-11-04 23:18 #1963
Massage Service
Tried to call the massage services listed in the Herald on Thursday. The time was just after 11pm. Was told no more for the night, even if the add says 24hr service. I guess you need to call early and make a reservation.
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12-08-04 20:41 #1962
You'll be happy to know that Hyun Joo is still there, although I think she works at night. She wasn't there when I went, but I was told she's still around (she was a favorite of mine too). The owner said that next time I should call up and make a booking if I REALLY want her, or just come early evening for a good selection.
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I'm kinda answering my own question here, but yesterday I took a walk around Yongsan and saw quite a few girls sitting around in jeans and tshirts. The quality was only up to about 8 with maybe a 9 somewhere in there, but that was the A row. I didn't even venture down the B row alley. I wasn't in a buying mood anyhow. My friend also tells me that 588 in Cheongnyangni is open again. I'm guessing it might be in the same limited capacity.
Happy mongering!
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12-08-04 09:57 #1961
Friends
Does that mean Hyun-joo is gone Y.Y
Anyway, Gonadz, I'll be heading there this weekend to check out the less experienced one if I can, I haven't been since the crackdown, so looking forward to it. Will write up on Monday.
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12-07-04 10:36 #1960
New Girls at FRIENDS
I just got back from my weekly de-stress at FRIENDs and was pleasantly surprised by the presence of two new girls. Both are quite cute.. I asked which one I should choose and the guy who works there said that one (don't ask me to remember the name) has worked in a massage place before and the other is completely new. I decided on experience and plus she was really cute..
The massage was excellent although I asked her to really get into it. Sometimes the girls hands are really small and they can't give me enough punishment. But with a little encouragement, it was a great massage. Then came the "special service" (read HJ). Nice and sloppy... told her to slow down because its been a slow week and I have limited staying capacity. All in all I have to give her a definite thumbs up.. Great service.
Maybe next time I'll try the other girl.. Has anyone been there since these two have come along? Just wondering what the service is like..
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And just wondering about the status of the RLDs around town. Are they on or off. I'm not hearing much about the crackdowns these days, so is anyone getting any luck or is it still slim pickings?
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12-06-04 04:34 #1959
I agree - an average Western guy has the same chances as an average Korean guy of getting a hot Korean chick - slim to none. If you can't get hot chicks in your home country, you're not going to get them here either. That's what PFP is for. On the bright side, it's been my (limited) experience that the current Korean college-age population has a lot less prejudice against dating Western guys than in years past. There's still quite a bit of prejudice, but in the six years I've been here I've noticed it decreasing. Today's college-age students are much more likely to have travelled and lived overseas than in the past, so maybe that has something to do with it. So, if you're young, good-looking, and have money (or really any two of those three), and aren't we all, your chances will improve - obviously.
Originally Posted by Mofaka
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12-05-04 14:05 #1958I'd take this advice with a grain of salt. I am an ESLer here and the first thing to point out is that there is a gender imbalance in the community here, for every 65 males teaching esl here there are 35 females (my estimates based on observations of my area over the last year). Job ads would also back this up as there is increasing demand for female teachers. Most, but not all that I know are in their early 20s, having graduated from college and then come here to pay off loans. Most of them will be out in places like Hongdae, trying to get it on with the young bucks who go there. Believe it or not, there are guys here who prefer western chicks. Also, many of the younger crowd find Itaewon sleazy and it generally attracts an older crowd, mostly long termers like myself. Another thing to remember is that alot of young, liberal Canadians despise the US, and would probably pass you over if you looked like a GI. That being said, I have done some white girls here, 2 Canadians and an English girl, but they were far from hot and were looking for a relationship as they are sick of being passed over for Korean chicks. It is there, but not on tap, you really have to work for it and the quality is poor. I save my time and effort by going to the bbs instead. Originally Posted by Cute Guy 9000
Cheers
Jaga
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12-03-04 10:05 #1957Great post Cute Guy 9000. Agree on your points. In fact, the hustle and bustle of Seoul is right up there with many western metropolises; San Francisco, LA, NY, etc... Of course Seoul has some pluses! Namely, the Korean women! Originally Posted by Cute Guy 9000
Trust me, the Western "superiority complex" will soon fade in the coming years. We'll all be speaking Mandarin or Indian within our lifetimes! LOL :P
Basically, if you don't look or act decent enough to get a date in one's home country, chances are that you won't be able to get the "Cindy Crawford" or Hyolee of Korea. Truth is, many Asian countries are becoming so as well, even SE Asia. The idea of Joe Shmoe getting Asian supermodels has been lost to folklore along with abject poverty(with exceptions: India, Mainland china in the sticks, and Cambodia comes to mind). Of course, that's just not my cup of tea. Kim HeeSun is my Venus.
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12-02-04 03:10 #1956Sometimes it's iron bars on the windows, seizure of their passports by their new "owners", and fear of a hell of a good beating. Oh, also no money to pay for their escape, because the pimp takes that from them too. Usually they owe money to some kind of gangster back in the Philippines, so even once they get back home they're in danger of retribution. Originally Posted by Scuba
Father Glenn works with a lot of these women who are trafficked. Sometimes they enter the sex business by their choice, but are prohibited from leaving on their own terms. Being a ***** is perfectly all right if that's the woman's free choice or even just the only way she can make a living, but she should never be a slave. These women aren't meat (or, they aren't "just" meat). They are someone's sister, daughter, or mother and deserve some basic dignity.
Sucking your smelly cock is hard work.
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12-02-04 02:01 #1955
Don't forget Canadian women in Itaewon
It might seem a little strange to go to Korea to have sex with a white woman but if you're American consider there are a lot of horny Canadian women ESL teachers. If they're not given to Korean men, they find it a bit hard finding a white guy. The white guys are all chasing Korean women, of course. Canadian women, like American women, are much more used to the idea of a one night stand and know the score. You're not interested in being their English teacher.
Canadian women find exotic and charming American GIs, especially if you're a fine southern man with what amounts to a very charming accent to a Canadian. Latino men also drive Canadian women wild. There are not many Latinos in Canada. If you're black too you'll find a much more receptive audience in Canadian women. And regardless of race, if you're larger down there, it won't scare them off. Nothing worse than having sex with a Korean woman not used to a dick over 4" and a look on her face like "when will this be over with?"
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12-01-04 14:15 #1954
well found an australian to walk around yongsan tonight. not many chicks about and even the a rows have lost their charm. the b row was just plain disappointing.
however we walked into 3 ta-bangs today (the coffee houses). it was about 7pm on a wednesday night. what we saw was uber scary. like obviously 50+ agewise women. we took a peek and ran out, literally ran out before they could say anything.
anyone got any decent ta-bangs to look at?
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12-01-04 02:01 #1953Keep in mind too that South Korea is not a third world nation. It has a GDP just shy of Canada's GDP. Most young Korean women don't necessarily want to escape from Korea. The ones that can speak English usually come from a good family and can find good careers in Korea that will support a middle classed life style. The upshot is, unlike the sticks in China or Thailand, being white doesn't scream "that's my ticket out of here" in the minds of Korean women. The odds a 40-something American man with a beer belly is going to score with a 21 year old university student in a Starbucks is not likely. Originally Posted by Red 73
There is the fascination with foreigners but even that has retreated. Four or five years ago it would not be uncommon to have a woman strike up a conversation with you in a Starbuck. These days, however, young Koreans don't find westerners entirely exotic. Every school has a western teacher. And the World Cup pretty much super saturated them with foreigner experiences.
That said, it still is easy to get a date in Seoul. But mostly women here want to practice their English and have dinner with a foreigner. This is particularly true, as the poster hints, if you're trying to arrange a "date" to "help" her practice her English. They will take that offer at face value and not read between the lines. As well, they're raised with the notion that any kind of move on their part will brand them a ho. However much they might want it, they'll never, ever make a move. You have to make all the moves.
Young Korea women are also raised on Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt movies. To them, that's a western man. They're hyper conscious about fashion and labels. So, in sum, if you're looking for 20something non-pros in Starbucks, in and around the u-districts, if you're a 20something male, good looking, in shape, and fashionable, you'll have no problem. You won't turn heads if you're old and fat.
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11-30-04 02:05 #1952
Quote...Father Glen Jarron of the Filipino Catholic Center in Seoul said the Army’s health checks were of less concern than the South Korean government’s requirement that entertainers undergo AIDS tests. Jarron has worked extensively with Filipinos trafficked to South Korea.
“Why should they require entertainers to have an AIDS test and not require ordinary factory workers? That is tantamount to saying that the girls are not really going into that kind of work,” he said.
The real problem was not health checks or AIDS tests, he added.
“It is about ending the idea that they [Filipina nightclub workers] are still being used by American GIs or other foreigners,” he said. end Quote
I say, what is stopping these women from going back to the Philippines? If they don't want to be in the sex business, leave! But don't blame others for your ignorance! Servicing the military is a bunch of BS! These gals work in all areas of Korea not just the military bases areas! It's always easy to put the blame elsewhere.
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11-29-04 15:55 #1951
Around Seoul Hilton
Can't speak to the situation at Miari, but the area immediately around the Hilton is pretty dead. There are some super-seedy barbershop type places near Namdaemun, but I wouldn't recommend going to any of them; better to get a porno on the hotel TV and masturbate. However, Bukchang-dong is not too far away, and you could hit a room salon there. Or, if you want a sure thing, try one of the outcall services in any of the English-language newspapers.
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11-29-04 10:05 #1950
Military checking Hookers health Records for AIDS
This is just an incredulous story!
CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea — Area I nightclub workers are angry that the 2nd Infantry Division continues to examine their health records — including AIDS tests results — a practice they say runs counter to the Army’s campaign against [CodeWord908] and prostitution.
Earlier this month, 2nd ID officials conducted health inspections of nightclub workers in Tongduchon, the city where the largest 2nd ID facilities in Area I — Camp Casey and Camp Hovey — are located.
A 2nd ID memo to nightclub owners states the inspections involved the division’s Preventative Medicine Office and the Tongduchon Health Department.
“All clubs will have all entertainers and club employees present during the inspection. Entertainers will have their passports, alien cards and health records present for verification of identity.
“Since entertainers are in close proximity to soldiers it is imperative that they can demonstrate that they are free of any communicable diseases,” the memo states.
One nightclub worker who passed the memo to Stars and Stripes and claims she was forced into prostitution after being lured to South Korea by the promise of an entertainment industry job, said health inspections give the impression the Army is involved in management of prostitution in Area I, despite a high-profile anti-vice campaign this year.
“They shouldn’t be having these health inspections. If there is no prostitution, they wouldn’t need the inspections,” she said.
However, 2nd ID spokesman Maj. Mike Lawhorn said the health checks do not amount to management of prostitution by the Army.
“We are absolutely not involved in the management of this. It is extremely important to the command, that everybody understands at all levels, that the division is absolutely committed to this zero-tolerance culture for activities that support [CodeWord908] and prostitution. We are not tolerating anything that supports that,” he said.
The health inspections had nothing to do with [CodeWord908] or prostitution, he said.
“They are about enforcing health and safety standards for our soldiers. We have made it very clear to the club owners and we are continuing to make clear to them our stance on [CodeWord908] and prostitution,” he said.
Members of the Korean Special Tourists Association (KSTA), an umbrella organization for nightclub owners serving U.S. soldiers in Area I, understand the Army’s concerns, he added.
“They want to run clean, profitable clubs to the benefit of everyone. It is to everyone’s benefit that the health and safety rules and the laws of Korea are adhered to,” Lawhorn said.
Clubs that break the rules will be declared off-limits, he said.
“It is not going to be worth it to break Korean law or violate the standards of the KSTA,” Lawhorn said.
Recent health inspections of Area I nightclub workers were the same as those carried out at all South Korean nightclubs and were done by Gyeonggi Province officials with military personnel present, Lawhorn said.
The health exams, which foreign entertainers must complete every three months, include a biannual AIDS test. Tests for other sexually transmitted diseases are optional, Lawhorn said.
Father Glen Jarron of the Filipino Catholic Center in Seoul said the Army’s health checks were of less concern than the South Korean government’s requirement that entertainers undergo AIDS tests. Jarron has worked extensively with Filipinos trafficked to South Korea.
“Why should they require entertainers to have an AIDS test and not require ordinary factory workers? That is tantamount to saying that the girls are not really going into that kind of work,” he said.
The real problem was not health checks or AIDS tests, he added.
“It is about ending the idea that they [Filipina nightclub workers] are still being used by American GIs or other foreigners,” he said.
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