Seoul

[Nother Monger]

I'd generally agree that the service in the states is better than in Korea, but it's gone downhill since of the main review sites went offline. I've still had some really memorable sessions in Korea though, so it's always going to be YMMV. As for looks, I'd say it's subjective, but for me (as someone who mongered in the states in since the 90's, specifically California / LA / SF) I find girls in Korea are generally younger and there is much, much more selection if you can get into Officetels. I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

The girls and owners there have the routine down to a science.

60 min session:

-5 minutes of GFE arms wrapped around your neck sensual DFK soon as you step in the apt by the door.

-5 minutes bend down upzip pants and BBBJ.

-10 minutes of mutual shower, DFK, bubble body rub, HJ, BBBJ, rub your dick in front of pussy hole teasing bareback.

-20 minutes of FS, 69,CG, BBBJ, rimming, CIM, bareback sometimes.

-15 minutes of DFK, GFE, HJ or 2nd shot attempt.

-5 minutes final shower, DFK, bye.

Service like this reason so many guys end up dating or marrying the chicks in the US. Korea is lame service wise. Barely any GFE and all clock watchers. I rather hobby in US at 300 then 150 that I pay in Korea.

[KgirlPower]

The girls and owners there have the routine down to a science.

60 min session:

-5 minutes of GFE arms wrapped around your neck sensual DFK soon as you step in the apt by the door.

-5 minutes bend down upzip pants and BBBJ.

-10 minutes of mutual shower, DFK, bubble body rub, HJ, BBBJ, rub your dick in front of pussy hole teasing bareback.

-20 minutes of FS, 69,CG, BBBJ, rimming, CIM, bareback sometimes.

-15 minutes of DFK, GFE, HJ or 2nd shot attempt.

-5 minutes final shower, DFK, bye.

Service like this reason so many guys end up dating or marrying the chicks in the US. Korea is lame service wise. Barely any GFE and all clock watchers. I rather hobby in US at 300 then 150 that I pay in Korea.

Hear hear!

If you're paying an agency 300+ per hour (10 mins BJ, 10-20 minutes fuck and she's out of there), just know at least half of that is going to some guy sitting in a chair doing absolutely nothing other than spamming websites looking for gullible mongerers. And let's not forget you probably forked out for the hotel / motel room too, and an extra 20-50 bucks for her 'taxi' (aka pimp).

If you're paying an independent girl for the same, you're still shorting yourself because she's just earned a month's rent for what is essentially half an hour's work, which you probably worked at least a day or two to earn. You just dropped 1-2 day's wages (16 hrs work) for 30 mins of sub-par action. And you're supposed to be satisfied with that?

Even at 100 per hour independent girls are in the top 1% earners in the country, and I damn well guarantee they wouldn't have a shortage of customers.

I once did a breakdown of generic costs of running an establishment and why the likes of anmas and officetels charge what they charge, you can actually see where your money is going in terms of staffing, the venue and services. But some bullshit one man / girl operation deserves the same fee or more for offering less? Take a fucking hike LOL.

[KgirlPower]

I'm saying is if a foreginor comes to seoul and see advertised rates of 300 they would not be shocked since that's the going rate in the US etc. Now after seeing all the grannies and fatties also advertising at those rates the guy probably will think the hoe scene in Korea is trash and / or theres alot of fetish needs in Korea to pay 300 for a fattie.

US cost breakdown goes like this: 300=150 to the girl, 100 to the owner, 50 to the booker. Korean girls take less of a cut here since alot try to work overseas in the US or Japan.

Hear hear!

If you're paying an agency 300+ per hour (10 mins BJ, 10-20 minutes fuck and she's out of there), just know at least half of that is going to some guy sitting in a chair doing absolutely nothing other than spamming websites looking for gullible mongerers. And let's not forget you probably forked out for the hotel / motel room too, and an extra 20-50 bucks for her 'taxi' (aka pimp).

If you're paying an independent girl for the same, you're still shorting yourself because she's just earned a month's rent for what is essentially half an hour's work, which you probably worked at least a day or two to earn. You just dropped 1-2 day's wages (16 hrs work) for 30 mins of sub-par action. And you're supposed to be satisfied with that?

Even at 100 per hour independent girls are in the top 1% earners in the country, and I damn well guarantee they wouldn't have a shortage of customers.

I once did a breakdown of generic costs of running an establishment and why the likes of anmas and officetels charge what they charge, you can actually see where your money is going in terms of staffing, the venue and services. But some bullshit one man / girl operation deserves the same fee or more for offering less? Take a fucking hike LOL.

[RainMania]

Is it like. Real?

Years back when I hadn't my own website and just started to learn about advertising online, I had met people who run ads on Massage republic and CL) Eunhee advised me a few tips. I'd never used them actually.

There's one European lady now living in Hongdae area who provides massage therapy like me, I emailed her once, but never got a response. She wrote in her blog that nowadays, CL is not like it was before. I agree with her, about 4 5 years ago it was so easy to run a private ad, including escort.

It's very real LOL.

She would write paragraph after paragraph (about 10 in all, if not more) of nonsensical bullshit about what she expected from the lucky client that meets her criteria and how her massage and sex are world class. She started to tone down on the criteria bit after a few months, I imagine because very few mongerers, as horny and dumb as we might be, are not that dumb.

Advertising is only one piece of the puzzle to running a successful SP business. Most foreigner-oriented SPs in Korea still don't understand repeat customers make your business last, not one time visitors flying in on a business trip. They had a good base of customers back in the day's rates were 150, but most of us have moved on to greener pastures after the price gouging started. I don't know about other guys, but I won't be back in the local independent scene because I've found literally a million other ways and places to spend my money.

[RainMania]

Thanks for making my point.

Anyone who pays that kind of money to these "providers" is ignorant and being played a fool. Cheated.

Just look at the photos of some of these girls expecting 300 k and up. Look a few posts down from this, for an example. You would seriously have to pay me to even consider something like that, and then there is no way I could get it up for it.

The agencies are all overpriced scam artists. Naive fools come here and think they're getting some pretty 20 year-old K-pop lookalike, based on a false photo, and they're sent some broken down divorcee in her 40's with plastic surgery gone awry. Most men are too guilt or embarrassed to say anything, and just walk away poorer, and hopefully wiser.

Even worse. A hook-glam want to be creates a webpage highlighting a pantyhosed body only captain Nemo could love, and advertises that she wants 300 or more.

Please.

Only completely naive or drunk foreigners would pay for that 2nd example, because nobody in a bar, Tinder, or anywhere else is going to give that the time of day.

People need to be educated that you should just not come here expecting good service for the money from these people.

A guy can pay to fly a beautiful thin lady from the Phils, or elsewhere, and have days of fun, for not much more. And she'll be grateful.

Hear hear!

If you're paying an agency 300+ per hour (10 mins BJ, 10-20 minutes fuck and she's out of there), just know at least half of that is going to some guy sitting in a chair doing absolutely nothing other than spamming websites looking for gullible mongerers. And let's not forget you probably forked out for the hotel / motel room too, and an extra 20-50 bucks for her 'taxi' (aka pimp).

If you're paying an independent girl for the same, you're still shorting yourself because she's just earned a month's rent for what is essentially half an hour's work, which you probably worked at least a day or two to earn. You just dropped 1-2 day's wages (16 hrs work) for 30 mins of sub-par action. And you're supposed to be satisfied with that?

Even at 100 per hour independent girls are in the top 1% earners in the country, and I damn well guarantee they wouldn't have a shortage of customers.

I once did a breakdown of generic costs of running an establishment and why the likes of anmas and officetels charge what they charge, you can actually see where your money is going in terms of staffing, the venue and services. But some bullshit one man / girl operation deserves the same fee or more for offering less? Take a fucking hike LOL.

[SeoulSearching]

Sounds like her. Kelly's in her 40's or probably 50's now. She has a real nice body and nice ass, usually bob haircut, and tan.

She ran the old Texas on the hill and now the one on the main strip that you're talking about. Soo-ae was working there last December when I visited for vacation, but Kelly wasn't there.

I asked Soo-Ae if Kelly was available and she said 'Never! I laughed to myself and thought about 2014, just before I left Korea, when I paid Kelly about 300,000 won for a tryst with Candy's friend at VIP, despite her 'retirement'.

If you have a picture of Kelly and would like to PM me, that'd be nice. She's one of my ATF and hopefully she's still DTF when I get back there in a year or so.

Ah, the pics I have are from 2010, due to the date stamp. Video, actually. They aren't nudes, or anything like that. People sometimes have let me take photos in confidence, and I just can't share them, unless they're long, long gone and would never remember me. If we're talking about the same lady, and I think we are, she's more of a mamasan these days. Back then, in 2010, she was working at Either Avant Garde, Tiffany, or Happy Days. Might have still been called Hobby Horse, back then? Can't remember. It was one of those 3 on the line, below old Polly's. She was new to the hill in 2010. I remember the night, because I was with Nadia the same night, down the street at Moonshine, and took pics, then, too. She was drunk off her ass, or probably wouldn't have let me. Both time-stamped same evening.

About 2 years ago, there was a hottie working at Texas 1, then Texas 2, with Kelly. I have photos and video of me blowing my load all over her, a few times. Her name was YoungEun. Cute little thing in her mid 20's, I'm guessing. Really miss her.

For old times sake, I will include a photo of the Thai lady who used to walk independent around the hill.

By the way, I heard Sunny has left Tiffany, recently. She comes and goes.

[Garthie1]

I'm trying to remember her name. Is Kelly the lady who is maybe late 40's and speaks English somewhat well? She was in the other Texas on 'the hill' before going to this 2nd Texas, across from the lower International Food Store? If so, she was there, and the International Food Store Texas, last month. She seemed to be having trouble keeping girls working long-term. Easy come, easy go. Once they make the money they want for whatever, they're gone in short order. She's a nice lady, so it's nothing negative about her. I may have a photo of her, but I don't post pics of people without permission.

Sounds like her. Kelly's in her 40's or probably 50's now. She has a real nice body and nice ass, usually bob haircut, and tan.

She ran the old Texas on the hill and now the one on the main strip that you're talking about. Soo-ae was working there last December when I visited for vacation, but Kelly wasn't there.

I asked Soo-Ae if Kelly was available and she said 'Never! I laughed to myself and thought about 2014, just before I left Korea, when I paid Kelly about 300,000 won for a tryst with Candy's friend at VIP, despite her 'retirement'.

If you have a picture of Kelly and would like to PM me, that'd be nice. She's one of my ATF and hopefully she's still DTF when I get back there in a year or so.

[Garthie1]

Bean has a remarkable body for a Korean woman. She wouldn't look out of place in a hip hop video (perky tits, flat abs, small hip, HUGE ASS), all packaged around 5 ft tall.

Bean is the only Korean woman that I know that can lay on her stomach and her pussy is right there for you, without spreading her legs or lifting her hips. Amazing! I love it.

LOL, maybe too much information, but she tends to 'queef' a lot, especially when you DATY.

Not sure if DATY is a smart idea considering she has boxes of condoms that she runs through weekly.

Add that up over 13 years (I first saw her in 2006) and that's a lot of dick.

I will say, though, that after you DATY and then hit it BBFS, she feels like heaven. Wow.

[Garthie1]

I agree about Bean being YMMV. First time I saw her the service was amazing. Second time was a complete bust. BTW, Kay and Cherry have both moved to Avant Garde. Kay told me that Happy Days has a new owner but it wasn't even open when I went by last night.

Kay, Cherry, and Bean at Avante Garde. That's a crowded house.

Cherry has those enormous tits, but is pretty fat, now, too. There was a time when she had a waist that complimented her tits and she was 'wow'.

[Garthie1]

Do you remember the Korean woman who ran Moulin Rouge in the early 200's? Per the pictures, it's CC Bar now. Used to go there and get blowjobs from her and she had a couple of tasteful nude paintings of herself on the wall. One evening I went in, she was tending the bar and there was an old German guy sitting at the bar chatting with her. I sat a few stools away and said to her, "I'm thinking of getting another blowjob from you tonight, OK?" he face turned red and she was making facial expressions to tell me to shut up. Learned later that she was dating the German dude and they were planning to get married. Also used to pay $120 K apiece for 3 of her girls and have a fuck fest on top of the pool table. Mamasan would lock the door, cover the pool table with a cloth and we'd go crazy. She liked to watch and would grin from ear to ear. I really miss that place the most.

I remember back in 2008 the lady that worked there or owned? It. I think she drove a little convertible that she parked out front, Mercedes maybe? Was short and had curly hair, bolt on tits, firm body, nice face. She was a hotty, but I never did romp with her.

Anyway, there's so many of those women who've come and gone through the hill. I can only remember faces and places, but few names.

[LeahChoi]

Saw her once back when her rate was 250. Must've been 2014-15, and back then I didn't feel it was VFM.

There was even a time when her rate was 500 k per 'hour' LOL!

The most entertaining ad was this ajumma who used to post on backpage. Username was something like 'aphrodite'. Completely delusional posts about how amazing she was and how she was very picky about her client's age, weight, occupation etc, and was 'offering' a great deal of 400-500 k for a pop. Mind you she was an average mid 30-40's ajumma with a-cups!

Now posts similarly on MR, minus the picky criteria, but still asking for 250 k LOL.

Is it like. Real?

Years back when I hadn't my own website and just started to learn about advertising online, I had met people who run ads on Massage republic and CL) Eunhee advised me a few tips. I'd never used them actually.

There's one European lady now living in Hongdae area who provides massage therapy like me, I emailed her once, but never got a response. She wrote in her blog that nowadays, CL is not like it was before. I agree with her, about 4 5 years ago it was so easy to run a private ad, including escort.

[SeoulSearching]

So these "Hi priced" girls know that and that's the client they are after anyway not locals. So to a foreignor US guy visiting Seoul they see it as normal since that's what they are use to paying. So its not being weak, rich, or not being wise just different in perspective based on what the guy is used to. When I first looked into banging the local korean girls arriving from US I was actually put off by the low prices ie. Under 200. Had the impression they had to be ugly, fatties, or grannies at those cheap prices because that's what you usually get back in the states for those prices.

Thanks for making my point.

Anyone who pays that kind of money to these "providers" is ignorant and being played a fool. Cheated.

Just look at the photos of some of these girls expecting 300 k and up. Look a few posts down from this, for an example. You would seriously have to pay me to even consider something like that, and then there is no way I could get it up for it.

The agencies are all overpriced scam artists. Naive fools come here and think they're getting some pretty 20 year-old K-pop lookalike, based on a false photo, and they're sent some broken down divorcee in her 40's with plastic surgery gone awry. Most men are too guilt or embarrassed to say anything, and just walk away poorer, and hopefully wiser.

Even worse. A hook-glam want to be creates a webpage highlighting a pantyhosed body only captain Nemo could love, and advertises that she wants 300 or more.

Please.

Only completely naive or drunk foreigners would pay for that 2nd example, because nobody in a bar, Tinder, or anywhere else is going to give that the time of day.

People need to be educated that you should just not come here expecting good service for the money from these people.

A guy can pay to fly a beautiful thin lady from the Phils, or elsewhere, and have days of fun, for not much more. And she'll be grateful.

[RainMania]

No offense to anyone that likes her, but she looks rather. Large for a Korean girl. Also, for 300 KRW / HR you can do a lot better IMO.

Saw her once back when her rate was 250. Must've been 2014-15, and back then I didn't feel it was VFM.

There was even a time when her rate was 500 k per 'hour' LOL!

The most entertaining ad was this ajumma who used to post on backpage. Username was something like 'aphrodite'. Completely delusional posts about how amazing she was and how she was very picky about her client's age, weight, occupation etc, and was 'offering' a great deal of 400-500 k for a pop. Mind you she was an average mid 30-40's ajumma with a-cups!

Now posts similarly on MR, minus the picky criteria, but still asking for 250 k LOL.

[KgirlPower]

So these "Hi priced" girls know that and that's the client they are after anyway not locals. So to a foreignor US guy visiting Seoul they see it as normal since that's what they are use to paying. So its not being weak, rich, or not being wise just different in perspective based on what the guy is used to. When I first looked into banging the local korean girls arriving from US I was actually put off by the low prices ie. Under 200. Had the impression they had to be ugly, fatties, or grannies at those cheap prices because that's what you usually get back in the states for those prices.

I just want to reiterate an earlier post by someone very smart.

There is a point where the prices on these "escort sites" get ridiculous. In my world, I don't see why anyone would pay a dollar more than 200 k for FS. Personally, I don't bother paying over 150 k, and I often work the Itaewon fair down to 100 k, if interested in that (but even then, I avoid FS, usually).

Save up and plan a trip out of the county, for gosh sake. These providers expecting 300 k and up? They can pound sand. Anyone willing to pay that is either weak, rich, or just not being wise with their money.

[SeoulSearching]

I just want to reiterate an earlier post by someone very smart.

There is a point where the prices on these "escort sites" get ridiculous. In my world, I don't see why anyone would pay a dollar more than 200 k for FS. Personally, I don't bother paying over 150 k, and I often work the Itaewon fair down to 100 k, if interested in that (but even then, I avoid FS, usually).

Save up and plan a trip out of the county, for gosh sake. These providers expecting 300 k and up? They can pound sand. Anyone willing to pay that is either weak, rich, or just not being wise with their money.