Seoul

[ShimShimHeyo]

I've been to a bunch of Gangnam Anmas so far, including Fish, Ace, and Donut. My experience has been very mixed. Of my 4 trips, only once resulted in an actual hot young girl. The other ones were clearly leftovers that Korean clients did not want. So I'm curious. Do the RLDs, such as Cheon-Ho, have better looking and younger girls than the Anmas? Or is it about the same? If the quality is higher in the RLDs, I might go check one out this weekend. Any advice would be appreciated!

What Rain said is all spot on. Also, you have to be warned that the accommodations in Cheonho are pretty ghetto compared to Gangnam anmas. The room is tiny, the bed is tiny and the showers are. Well not is the best of shape. It's not filthy in any way but the buildings and rooms are run down. Also you should be aware that Cheonho is like fast food. Unless you are a repeat customer and the girl knows / likes you, expect zero GFE. Cheonho girls are also notorious for super strict clock watching. Especially during prime time, the girl wants to get back downstairs and land another guy as soon as possible.

However there is a game that I play with some of the guys. "Iron Man Triathlon" or "The Triple Crown" There is a street of bars just down the road from Cheonho. Drink a few pints of beer there and take a shot. Head to Cheonho and bang one girl. Go back down the street to the bar area and drink a few more pints of beer and another shot. Go back and bang another girl. Head back to the bar and drink a final few pints and take one last shot. Trek back to Cheonho and bang a third girl.

Fun times.

[Jolem]

Some interesting Euros advertising on MR: anyone have experience with Tattoo Lune? Looks hot with all her ink. And a French (girl Erin?

I've had good experience with other Euro girls on MR (ex Luna) so I'm opting for easy outcalls to save me going out (Yeah, I'm lazy). If seniors have outcall reccs, they're much appreciated!

[RainMania]

I've been to a bunch of Gangnam Anmas so far, including Fish, Ace, and Donut. My experience has been very mixed. Of my 4 trips, only once resulted in an actual hot young girl. The other ones were clearly leftovers that Korean clients did not want. So I'm curious. Do the RLDs, such as Cheon-Ho, have better looking and younger girls than the Anmas? Or is it about the same? If the quality is higher in the RLDs, I might go check one out this weekend. Any advice would be appreciated!

The best girls in Cheonho would be around the same (looks-wise) as the average Anma girl. The thing with Cheonho is you won't be able to score A-row girls unless you look East Asian, if you're white or black A-row girls probably won't go with you (unless it's a particularly quiet night and the stars are aligned).

Be and see row girls however, are in plenty supply and will be happy to service you. They tend to be older (average mid-late 30's), but many are still hot and will give good service. Damage is 100 k won. BBFS is on the table, though some might not let you on your first visit.

You'll have much better luck at Miari. These days virtually all the mamasans call out to me (didn't always happen in the past), and they have a range of women from late 20's to women well into their 50's LOL. Mostly 5-7's, with the occasional and very rare 8. Don't be afraid to be picky, and don't accept the first girl that is chosen for you (you are usually allowed to choose from a lineup). The houses will have an average of 3-5 girls, on some busy weekends some will have as many as 10. Damage is around the 80-90 k region. BBFS is mostly available.

[Optional]

I've been to a bunch of Gangnam Anmas so far, including Fish, Ace, and Donut. My experience has been very mixed. Of my 4 trips, only once resulted in an actual hot young girl. The other ones were clearly leftovers that Korean clients did not want. So I'm curious. Do the RLDs, such as Cheon-Ho, have better looking and younger girls than the Anmas? Or is it about the same? If the quality is higher in the RLDs, I might go check one out this weekend. Any advice would be appreciated!

[LovinAsia]

Depends on where you go and how you play. Looks like you been burned lot in Korea LOL.

Nope not at all! I've read enough on here where guys are paying 200 to 300 u s an hour for a single pop LOL.

I'm not that dumb or desperate with my money yet LOL.

[RainMania]

I guess my point is here that economics happens, which is your point too. Most 1st world countries don't have 'local' girls providing because they have better options. Very few German girls are going to go down on a guy for 70 Euro or whatever the rate is at an FKK now, but that's big money for a Ukrainian girl. I was with a super-hot girl in France that was advertised from Kazakh and asian, but she turned out to be the perfect Russian ballerina type and happily provided my ugly ass good GFE for 250 Euro.

My knowledge of the Korean sex industry is limited to how it affects the California AAMP market, which is super-healthy with fairly hot K-girls, although they might not be as young or new as girls at the top of their game here. My guess is the racism and economics mix so that most of the market is left to non-Korean girls. Same thing happens in Japan, where without language skills service is either expensive or non-Japanese girls or both.

I don't particularly think cheap pussy is a human right, and having an attractive girl provide outcall GFE to me for US $250-300 is maybe a little pricey but not spectacularly so. Yes, Thai or whatever girls trying to charge 400 K need to be rightly laughed at, but they have a right to charge what they wish, and apparently they or their agencies found some sort of market at that price point. It's not unique. There's several (sketchy) orgs pushing Russian girls in Japan that want the equivalent of US $500. As always, guys should do their research to see what the going rate is for their market -- the market and rate for long-timer Korea hands is going to be different from guys in Korea for a long weekend, etc.

On a semi-related note, in doing my research on places to wet my wick while in Korea coming up, I've found a bunch of places called "Massage Clubs". I'm sure these places are definitely not foreigner-friendly, but are they akin to anma or something else? They have really long term courses, which seems a little strange.

You're right that girls have the right to set their prices however high they want. However, their customers also have the right to point out that simply having a pussy, or simply just existing, does not justify those high prices. Especially when those prices are predatory (at best), and there are very reasonable alternatives around.

The Russian girls in korean officetels can be had for roughly 150-170 k won, where the pimp typically gets 40% of the cut or more, but we're supposed to pay the ones on Massage Republic 300 k won? You can get a Thai massage and boom boom for a combined 120 k won (150-170 k for 2 pops) at Thai massage places in Korea, but the ones on massage republic are starting at 300 k won for a pop? You can get a ticket to Manila for as low as 90 k won (I've seen them go for 70), but the Filipina advertising on MR from her Gangnam hotel is worth 300 k won? None of it makes any sense when you look at what's behind the scenes.

Not every German girl in the sex industry would with for a customer for 70 EUR, but the vast majority of them will do it for 150 EUR, which is on par for that region (UK, France, Germany etc), outside FKK, given FKK are essentially budget brothels.

The massage clubs you're referring to might be the legit Thai ones, or the freaky Thai ones with extra services.

[Justemp]

You mean for an hour with mechanical service and a clock watcher with 20 min or so of ACTUAL fun?? LOL no thanks.

Depends on where you go and how you play. Looks like you been burned lot in Korea LOL.

[LovinAsia]

If your going to spend $200 $300 you can have fun in Korea also.

You mean for an hour with mechanical service and a clock watcher with 20 min or so of ACTUAL fun?? LOL no thanks.

[Meiji]

Even during the FKK glory days when German women made up the majority of providers, I don't think non-German mongerers were kept out to the degree we see in Korea and Japan.

In all the countries you mentioned, I can't think of one where foreign girls come in and charge double and sometimes triple what the locals charge, whether said foreign girls work for an agency or are independents. It's just bizarre and makes zero sense when their target market is a tiny number of transient visitors who may or may not fall for the trap. If anything these girls should be trying to undercut the locals, but it seems they have all banded up to form a cartel of sorts and have all agreed to keep prices in fantasy zone.

And then when the customers start voting with their feet and wallets, the cartel increases rates even further and puts the extra losses on the few remaining customers. Economics 101 LOL.

I guess my point is here that economics happens, which is your point too. Most 1st world countries don't have 'local' girls providing because they have better options. Very few German girls are going to go down on a guy for 70 Euro or whatever the rate is at an FKK now, but that's big money for a Ukrainian girl. I was with a super-hot girl in France that was advertised from Kazakh and asian, but she turned out to be the perfect Russian ballerina type and happily provided my ugly ass good GFE for 250 Euro.

My knowledge of the Korean sex industry is limited to how it affects the California AAMP market, which is super-healthy with fairly hot K-girls, although they might not be as young or new as girls at the top of their game here. My guess is the racism and economics mix so that most of the market is left to non-Korean girls. Same thing happens in Japan, where without language skills service is either expensive or non-Japanese girls or both.

I don't particularly think cheap pussy is a human right, and having an attractive girl provide outcall GFE to me for US $250-300 is maybe a little pricey but not spectacularly so. Yes, Thai or whatever girls trying to charge 400 K need to be rightly laughed at, but they have a right to charge what they wish, and apparently they or their agencies found some sort of market at that price point. It's not unique. There's several (sketchy) orgs pushing Russian girls in Japan that want the equivalent of US $500. As always, guys should do their research to see what the going rate is for their market -- the market and rate for long-timer Korea hands is going to be different from guys in Korea for a long weekend, etc.

On a semi-related note, in doing my research on places to wet my wick while in Korea coming up, I've found a bunch of places called "Massage Clubs". I'm sure these places are definitely not foreigner-friendly, but are they akin to anma or something else? They have really long term courses, which seems a little strange.

[RainMania]

I mean, outside the US, Canada, and Australia -- too isolated, although there's a substantial percentage of non-citizen sex workers in those countries, too -- I can't think of a single country where it's a valid comparison to Korea or Japan, especially Europe. The girls at FKKs are predominantly from Eastern Europe, not actually German. You look at Singapore where sex isn't expensive but ain't cheap, virtually ALL of their sex workers are imports, some with long term visas.

Korea and Japan have a 'closed' market for that very reason. Germans probably don't care that there's an influx of foreigners visiting FKKs because the girls working there are foreigners too.

Even during the FKK glory days when German women made up the majority of providers, I don't think non-German mongerers were kept out to the degree we see in Korea and Japan.

In all the countries you mentioned, I can't think of one where foreign girls come in and charge double and sometimes triple what the locals charge, whether said foreign girls work for an agency or are independents. It's just bizarre and makes zero sense when their target market is a tiny number of transient visitors who may or may not fall for the trap. If anything these girls should be trying to undercut the locals, but it seems they have all banded up to form a cartel of sorts and have all agreed to keep prices in fantasy zone.

And then when the customers start voting with their feet and wallets, the cartel increases rates even further and puts the extra losses on the few remaining customers. Economics 101 LOL.

Korea's sex industry wasn't always anti-foreigner either. Up until the government crackdowns of the late 2000's, getting your dick wet in Korea was as easy as walking in the street. There were just so many RLDs and brothels that openly operated back then. In fact, a lot of US military veterans will tell you Korea in the 70's and 80's put Philippines and Thailand to shame when it came to mongering. By the 90's things were starting to change, but girls and establishments were still plentiful.

[Justemp]

Thanks for the advice. Macau sounds like a better idea, it looks like $200-300 can get you pretty far in terms of service at saunas. I still might spend some time in Korea just to eat. I don't really want to go to Bangkok because I don't want to be asked, "Why did you go to Bangkok for only 3 days?" kind of thing.

If your going to spend $200 $300 you can have fun in Korea also.

[Meiji]

I'd say otherwise. Most providers in first world countries are citizens of those countries. Whether they're agencies, brothels or independents.

I mean, outside the US, Canada, and Australia -- too isolated, although there's a substantial percentage of non-citizen sex workers in those countries, too -- I can't think of a single country where it's a valid comparison to Korea or Japan, especially Europe. The girls at FKKs are predominantly from Eastern Europe, not actually German. You look at Singapore where sex isn't expensive but ain't cheap, virtually ALL of their sex workers are imports, some with long term visas.

Korea and Japan have a 'closed' market for that very reason. Germans probably don't care that there's an influx of foreigners visiting FKKs because the girls working there are foreigners too.

[Justemp]

Thinking to going there for vacation. I heard tenpro are basically celebrity level gals but seems to be a bit exclusive? Just curious if there are sites there with them or I need referrals? Is it not possible as a first time visitor to the country?

And are prices standard at clubs or need to negotiate?

You need to be with Korean or be able to speak Korean in order to go into tenpro. Girls are hot but I would not pay 10 k for one night fun. There are other types of setting like tenpro but little different. All cost around 250 300 per person but again you need to be either with Korean to enter into these places.

[JonRam]

I know what a real review looks like, and I am not going to teach you how to write one.

Most services are not 250 k, the only people charging 250 k and above for just sex are the agencies and deluded providers on massage republic. They used to spam crackr too till it got shut down.

Even in most anmas, you get a legitimate massage from a separate person at the end. You can actually see where your 250 k goes (building, multiple staff / helpers, food, drinks, provider, masseur and sometimes pickup / dropoff). What does your 250 k get you with an agency or an independent provider?

In most European countries most people would laugh at a provider asking for what we see on the korean section of massage republic. Even the guys on business trips from Singapore / Malaysia / Indonesia are keeping their pants on because they are aware they can get much better back home for a fraction of the price. Like I said before, they are gearing their attention to anmas these days for good reason. And these guys are mostly using company cards and travel expenses, how shitty must your services be when someone isn't even willing to spend another's person's money on you?

There's no "real review looks like", any person can write its own way. I just came here to say what I had to say, let's leave it like that.

Like I said I didn't try anmas and I follow what you say. Thanks for the info.

I wanted a korean girl and I was really satisfied with the service so I just came here for that.

If I would be happy with another service that you mention? Maybe. I don't know because I didn't go there.

[BaddHabbit]

Thanks for the advice. Macau sounds like a better idea, it looks like $200-300 can get you pretty far in terms of service at saunas. I still might spend some time in Korea just to eat. I don't really want to go to Bangkok because I don't want to be asked, "Why did you go to Bangkok for only 3 days?" kind of thing.

Macau is also quite expensive though. Out of those mentioned I would definitely suggest Kuala Lumpur. Plenty of English, prices are good, can do clubs like Beach Club or Thai Club, or a fishbowl. Better value for what you are after. Or go to the Philippines and have everything (except price) x200!