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[LovinAsia]

If your going to spend $200 $300 you can have fun in Korea also.

You mean for an hour with mechanical service and a clock watcher with 20 min or so of ACTUAL fun?? LOL no thanks.

[Meiji]

Even during the FKK glory days when German women made up the majority of providers, I don't think non-German mongerers were kept out to the degree we see in Korea and Japan.

In all the countries you mentioned, I can't think of one where foreign girls come in and charge double and sometimes triple what the locals charge, whether said foreign girls work for an agency or are independents. It's just bizarre and makes zero sense when their target market is a tiny number of transient visitors who may or may not fall for the trap. If anything these girls should be trying to undercut the locals, but it seems they have all banded up to form a cartel of sorts and have all agreed to keep prices in fantasy zone.

And then when the customers start voting with their feet and wallets, the cartel increases rates even further and puts the extra losses on the few remaining customers. Economics 101 LOL.

I guess my point is here that economics happens, which is your point too. Most 1st world countries don't have 'local' girls providing because they have better options. Very few German girls are going to go down on a guy for 70 Euro or whatever the rate is at an FKK now, but that's big money for a Ukrainian girl. I was with a super-hot girl in France that was advertised from Kazakh and asian, but she turned out to be the perfect Russian ballerina type and happily provided my ugly ass good GFE for 250 Euro.

My knowledge of the Korean sex industry is limited to how it affects the California AAMP market, which is super-healthy with fairly hot K-girls, although they might not be as young or new as girls at the top of their game here. My guess is the racism and economics mix so that most of the market is left to non-Korean girls. Same thing happens in Japan, where without language skills service is either expensive or non-Japanese girls or both.

I don't particularly think cheap pussy is a human right, and having an attractive girl provide outcall GFE to me for US $250-300 is maybe a little pricey but not spectacularly so. Yes, Thai or whatever girls trying to charge 400 K need to be rightly laughed at, but they have a right to charge what they wish, and apparently they or their agencies found some sort of market at that price point. It's not unique. There's several (sketchy) orgs pushing Russian girls in Japan that want the equivalent of US $500. As always, guys should do their research to see what the going rate is for their market -- the market and rate for long-timer Korea hands is going to be different from guys in Korea for a long weekend, etc.

On a semi-related note, in doing my research on places to wet my wick while in Korea coming up, I've found a bunch of places called "Massage Clubs". I'm sure these places are definitely not foreigner-friendly, but are they akin to anma or something else? They have really long term courses, which seems a little strange.

[RainMania]

I mean, outside the US, Canada, and Australia -- too isolated, although there's a substantial percentage of non-citizen sex workers in those countries, too -- I can't think of a single country where it's a valid comparison to Korea or Japan, especially Europe. The girls at FKKs are predominantly from Eastern Europe, not actually German. You look at Singapore where sex isn't expensive but ain't cheap, virtually ALL of their sex workers are imports, some with long term visas.

Korea and Japan have a 'closed' market for that very reason. Germans probably don't care that there's an influx of foreigners visiting FKKs because the girls working there are foreigners too.

Even during the FKK glory days when German women made up the majority of providers, I don't think non-German mongerers were kept out to the degree we see in Korea and Japan.

In all the countries you mentioned, I can't think of one where foreign girls come in and charge double and sometimes triple what the locals charge, whether said foreign girls work for an agency or are independents. It's just bizarre and makes zero sense when their target market is a tiny number of transient visitors who may or may not fall for the trap. If anything these girls should be trying to undercut the locals, but it seems they have all banded up to form a cartel of sorts and have all agreed to keep prices in fantasy zone.

And then when the customers start voting with their feet and wallets, the cartel increases rates even further and puts the extra losses on the few remaining customers. Economics 101 LOL.

Korea's sex industry wasn't always anti-foreigner either. Up until the government crackdowns of the late 2000's, getting your dick wet in Korea was as easy as walking in the street. There were just so many RLDs and brothels that openly operated back then. In fact, a lot of US military veterans will tell you Korea in the 70's and 80's put Philippines and Thailand to shame when it came to mongering. By the 90's things were starting to change, but girls and establishments were still plentiful.

[Justemp]

Thanks for the advice. Macau sounds like a better idea, it looks like $200-300 can get you pretty far in terms of service at saunas. I still might spend some time in Korea just to eat. I don't really want to go to Bangkok because I don't want to be asked, "Why did you go to Bangkok for only 3 days?" kind of thing.

If your going to spend $200 $300 you can have fun in Korea also.

[Meiji]

I'd say otherwise. Most providers in first world countries are citizens of those countries. Whether they're agencies, brothels or independents.

I mean, outside the US, Canada, and Australia -- too isolated, although there's a substantial percentage of non-citizen sex workers in those countries, too -- I can't think of a single country where it's a valid comparison to Korea or Japan, especially Europe. The girls at FKKs are predominantly from Eastern Europe, not actually German. You look at Singapore where sex isn't expensive but ain't cheap, virtually ALL of their sex workers are imports, some with long term visas.

Korea and Japan have a 'closed' market for that very reason. Germans probably don't care that there's an influx of foreigners visiting FKKs because the girls working there are foreigners too.

[Justemp]

Thinking to going there for vacation. I heard tenpro are basically celebrity level gals but seems to be a bit exclusive? Just curious if there are sites there with them or I need referrals? Is it not possible as a first time visitor to the country?

And are prices standard at clubs or need to negotiate?

You need to be with Korean or be able to speak Korean in order to go into tenpro. Girls are hot but I would not pay 10 k for one night fun. There are other types of setting like tenpro but little different. All cost around 250 300 per person but again you need to be either with Korean to enter into these places.

[JonRam]

I know what a real review looks like, and I am not going to teach you how to write one.

Most services are not 250 k, the only people charging 250 k and above for just sex are the agencies and deluded providers on massage republic. They used to spam crackr too till it got shut down.

Even in most anmas, you get a legitimate massage from a separate person at the end. You can actually see where your 250 k goes (building, multiple staff / helpers, food, drinks, provider, masseur and sometimes pickup / dropoff). What does your 250 k get you with an agency or an independent provider?

In most European countries most people would laugh at a provider asking for what we see on the korean section of massage republic. Even the guys on business trips from Singapore / Malaysia / Indonesia are keeping their pants on because they are aware they can get much better back home for a fraction of the price. Like I said before, they are gearing their attention to anmas these days for good reason. And these guys are mostly using company cards and travel expenses, how shitty must your services be when someone isn't even willing to spend another's person's money on you?

There's no "real review looks like", any person can write its own way. I just came here to say what I had to say, let's leave it like that.

Like I said I didn't try anmas and I follow what you say. Thanks for the info.

I wanted a korean girl and I was really satisfied with the service so I just came here for that.

If I would be happy with another service that you mention? Maybe. I don't know because I didn't go there.

[BaddHabbit]

Thanks for the advice. Macau sounds like a better idea, it looks like $200-300 can get you pretty far in terms of service at saunas. I still might spend some time in Korea just to eat. I don't really want to go to Bangkok because I don't want to be asked, "Why did you go to Bangkok for only 3 days?" kind of thing.

Macau is also quite expensive though. Out of those mentioned I would definitely suggest Kuala Lumpur. Plenty of English, prices are good, can do clubs like Beach Club or Thai Club, or a fishbowl. Better value for what you are after. Or go to the Philippines and have everything (except price) x200!

[RainMania]

In fairness most of the providers working in 1st world agencies, etc are not themselves from first world countries. It would be one thing if say Thai girls in Korea were jacking up prices.

So for most of these outcall agencies will they answer questions about service level, ie I want to confirm BBBJ, etc, or is it like in the states where legalities make people dance around that stuff?

I'd say otherwise. Most providers in first world countries are citizens of those countries. Whether they're agencies, brothels or independents. It's not just Thai girls jacking up prices in Korea. You've got Cambodians, Filipinas, Russians, Ukrainians and girls from as far as Colombia, Venezuela and other S American countries coming to Korea and charging foreigners far more than most korean men would even think about paying.

There are two markets here. The korean market is mostly closed to non-korean mongerers. This is where premium charges for foreign men arise. The agencies and girls know most foreign clients are short term visitors with almost no chance of accessing the local scene, so they resort to the extortionate figures we've been seeing for the past few years.

Agencies will answer any questions you have, but ultimately the service depends on the girl. And you have no idea or guarantee of which girl they'll send (plenty of bait and switch), regardless of any promises made.

[Meiji]

In most European countries most people would laugh at a provider asking for what we see on the korean section of massage republic.

In fairness most of the providers working in 1st world agencies, etc are not themselves from first world countries. It would be one thing if say Thai girls in Korea were jacking up prices.

So for most of these outcall agencies will they answer questions about service level, ie I want to confirm BBBJ, etc, or is it like in the states where legalities make people dance around that stuff?

[SmashPuss]

You want to see line ups, pay $100, and you only speak English? I don't think you'll find what you're looking for in South Korea (except the food, which is delicious). Hong Kong doesn't really have what you're looking for either. Macau would probably come closest to what you're looking for, unless you wanted to go to Bangkok for the soapy massage parlors or Kuala Lumpur for the spas.

Thanks for the advice. Macau sounds like a better idea, it looks like $200-300 can get you pretty far in terms of service at saunas. I still might spend some time in Korea just to eat. I don't really want to go to Bangkok because I don't want to be asked, "Why did you go to Bangkok for only 3 days?" kind of thing.

[Rick Rock]

Hi all,

I'm an Asian American looking for a weekend trip from Japan. My first thought was Korea because I love the food, but after going through some of the reports here, it seems it is hard to monger if your speaking ability is low.

I can read (who can't) and know basic phrases / sentences, but that's about it.

My preferences are 20-30 year olds, East Asian, $100-200, GFE covered is ok, and preferably to be shown a line up so no bait and switch.

Based on that it seems that I would navigate towards anma's. Looking for rec for younger providers with decent service.

If you had to choose, would you monger in Korea or anywhere else? HK was mentioned here, so that is another option I am looking at, but I speak no Cantonese or know how to read any Chinese.

You want to see line ups, pay $100, and you only speak English? I don't think you'll find what you're looking for in South Korea (except the food, which is delicious). Hong Kong doesn't really have what you're looking for either. Macau would probably come closest to what you're looking for, unless you wanted to go to Bangkok for the soapy massage parlors or Kuala Lumpur for the spas.

[SmashPuss]

Hi all,

I'm an Asian American looking for a weekend trip from Japan. My first thought was Korea because I love the food, but after going through some of the reports here, it seems it is hard to monger if your speaking ability is low.

I can read (who can't) and know basic phrases / sentences, but that's about it.

My preferences are 20-30 year olds, East Asian, $100-200, GFE covered is ok, and preferably to be shown a line up so no bait and switch.

Based on that it seems that I would navigate towards anma's. Looking for rec for younger providers with decent service.

If you had to choose, would you monger in Korea or anywhere else? HK was mentioned here, so that is another option I am looking at, but I speak no Cantonese or know how to read any Chinese.

[RainMania]

Overall, the experience was decent for my first outcall requests. I definitely learned more about the process after each encounter, and while I've read that prices have been increasing, it seems to be in-line with what I paid in Tokyo and Macau for GFE.

Are you referring to Macau as in the in-house girls the casinos, spas and resorts have? Because that would not be an in line comparison one bit.

I'll give you Jace, because she's been reviewed and recommended by a trusted member on here in the past.

Tokyo is already notorious as a ridiculously expensive and difficult place for gaijin to get P4 P, especially if one does not possess the necessary language skills. So naturally the vultures swoon in offering their premium price / sub par services. Even then, there is a lot more variety and much better options / prices than what the Seoul agency / independents offer.

I won't criticise you for your experiences, because at the end of the day it's your money. But I will continue to inform other readers about the scam currently going on in the korean scene, so that they can make their choice.

[Maltagspeii]

Hey guys,

I'm new here to the board but have no mongered some in HK, Macau, and Japan before, usually for incalls. This time I found myself in Seoul for a couple days to visit some friends. Read about the past 50 pages before arriving, so I appreciate all the info about the anmas, officetels, and other joints in Korea. As I was staying separately in a hotel room and have zero knowledge of Korean / could not find time during the day to visit some of the more popular establishments mentioned on this thread, I decided to try out some out all options.

My first night I reached out to Jace, a independent that has been mentioned here before previously. She was really professional, showed up on time, and definitely was not a clock watcher. Her appearance matched the photo she sent me prior to the appointment. She's a real girl-next-door type of girl, but her body was great. Nearly fluent in english too so no difficulties communicating. Her performance was great. She can take the lead and deliver a real visceral BBBJ. Also very much into DFK if that's your thing. Also, she was the tightest out of the girls I saw on my trip, so overall would definitely recommend..

Any recommendation where to find good independent?