Seoul

[KyleIrving]

What the hell are you talking about?

You clearly think stealthing women without their consent or knowledge is not a problem, and I am trying to explain to you how big a problem it is not only for you and the girl, but for other mongerers in Korea as well.

I don't care whether you fuck a girl with one condom, two condoms or no condoms. Just MAKE SURE she agrees with you taking your condom off. That is HER CHOICE and her choice alone.

Please stop with the shitty mongering antics and advice. This country is already enough of a mongering desert as it currently is, no need to actively try to make it even worse.

Also by your logic of "fuck you all I'm keeping m info to myself and just read the forums. You can all pay 400 k imma stick to my secret gems of 120 k for FS. Hahaha. " why the fuck should I care about how stealing makes foreigners look when you yourself don't give a fuck about helping foreigners anyway. Amazingly selfish and hypocritical. Hypocritical in more than one sense at this point.

[KyleIrving]

Yes we are on a prostitution forum, not on a forum for tricking women into doing something they did not previously agree to do. You must think you're the only guy, or the smartest to have ever tried it.

You can try to play the dumb foreigner trick every time the girl notices you trying to stealth her, but one thing I've learned about the profession in Korea (and other countries) is that hookers talk, mostly to each other and sometimes to their pimps / mamasan. It's only a matter of time before you're pinned as the dodgy guy who tries to take the condom off without their knowledge.

And no, licking a girl's nipples without discussion / permission beforehand is not the same as stealthing her. If a girl had said at the start that she doesn't like her nipples being touched, and then the punter went on to deliberately touch / lick them. That would also be a shitty thing to do. With a condom, 99% of the time, the girl puts it on you, which means there is a mutual understanding between both of you on condom usage, so for you to take it off without her knowledge is you taking THAT CHOICE away from her.

80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done, and if I ever get the feeling a girl doesn't want to service me I walk. It's that simple! The good thing about girls refusing tonservice you is you can be rest assured they aren't being forced and are doing the job out of choice.

The few times where I started CFS with a girl, and ended up doing BBFS, either I or she made the suggestion and the other party agreed. There have even been times when a girl agreed to BBBJ or BBFS and then tried to sneak a condom on afterwards during the BJ. Guess what, that's a shitty thing to do as well!

You can doubt my experiences all you want. My record here on ISG is there for all to see, and it only details about 20-30% of my experiences in Korea. I stopped giving advice here a long time ago because too many people in this thread are happy with paying KRW 300-500 k for vanilla sex and one shot (LOL). I imagine a lot of other experienced Korea mongerers who are still in country simply decided to stay quiet for the same reason as well, and keep their gems to themselves.

Good luck with your stealthing and overpriced pussy. As for me, I'll continue to get an understanding from my providers BEFOREHAND.

I don't get how you don't understand this concept. You do something she doesn't like without asking. You don't ask to finger them. You don't ask to kiss them. You try and if they don't like it they tell you. I take it off then tell them it came off. And at that time it's their choice to keep going or stop. I don't get how you don't understand that concept. It's so simple.

And again, I literally can ask the multiple pros tuts on kakaotalk what they don't like about foreigners. It's always 1. Fat ugly fucks. 2. Larger than normal cocks. 3. They believe we carry foreign infections. And again, it's so hypocritical to insult my experiences then claim yours are far superior. In my ten or so times doing it, I have not once seen them get the slightest upset. You either don't do well with women or can't read them. You get a feel for how they act / behave and go from there. Like I said previously, if a girl clearly is not into it I probably won't even kiss them let alone sneak it off. And in my experience it has never once been a bad experience. Never once threatened. Never once kicked out. It's 100% a feel for the situation. I'm sure if I tried with a few, they would get mad and call their bouncer or whatever. The difference is as said before, you get a feel for women and what their personality in the thirty or so minutes you have to make small talk.

You know hookers so well right? LOL I'm sure you take one to dinner every week. If anything, they perfer me because I'm not a fat ugly fuck and in decent shape. More so that they actually message me to comeback randomly throughoit the week. I haven't managed to get discounts however.

And like you man, you have taught me to be selfish with my experiences. I was willing to make my oficeltell account be available for all to use to get in the 120 k-160 k full service with hotter Koreans and give their business numbers But nah I'll just keep it for myself.

At this point it's a he said she said deal. You say they hate it and it makes us look bad, I say they don't mind and it depends on the girl. My advice to anyone during any sexual experience is to read the situation. You can feel if your partner is into it. You can feel if she's not. Act accordingly and you'll be OK.

You say you quit giving advice because people are OK with paying to much. So how about not be an ass hole and share to help others out instead of talking down to everyone. You are such a pleasant person.

[All For Bb]

Are you trying to be retarded and hypocritical or were you born that way?? LOL. You told him to check HIV status yet YOU are the one who want to go BB after sliding your condom off during FS hahaha you are such a poor YOUNG MAN.

Let me make the points clear:

(1) I think, as KyleIrving said, if a girl offered or accept the offer BBSF / CIP easily, unsafe, because she might offer / would accept offer easily to everyone. Stop. In that sense, 80-85% agreed BBFS / CIP is not safe. Good luck if you want to do 80-85% or more agreed BBFS / CIP beforehand.

(2) Otherwase, relative safer than case (1) even as KyleIrving did. You do whatever you want including fuck without condom 85% time with girl agreed to let you do it (she sure let all other man do the same), it is your business. KyleIrving just shared his experience and opinion, which we should thank to.

This is the place to share info and experience. Not joking or augueing on hypocritical moral hight. We are all immoral mongers, no one here is a saint. BTW, I am over 60 and the number I stated is honorst true number. I am still learning.

This is my last post in this place. Period. I was out of Korea a week ago, and would not come back very soon. Good luck everyone. So long. Last word, I love Korean girls, some of them are so beautiful and delecious!

[RainMania]

Good. You are talking less about the moral issue. You realized you are an immoral monger too. LOL.

You are still in more dangerous situation though. As I stated below, I fucked a lot of girls, most of them, prostututes, with condoms. You, 80-85% without condoms. Quote from you "You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not" . Did you read the last 2 pages of posts? I am the person who wanted to learn from the expert who shared his experience. I don't even know much how to do it, so keep asking, and need a "sex education" as LovinAsia said. No mistake and be careful before you posting.

We need more sharing, less argueling, particullally on hypocritical so-called moral hight. Thank you and good luck for fucking without condom with girls who agreed to let you do it.

What the hell are you talking about?

You clearly think stealthing women without their consent or knowledge is not a problem, and I am trying to explain to you how big a problem it is not only for you and the girl, but for other mongerers in Korea as well.

I don't care whether you fuck a girl with one condom, two condoms or no condoms. Just MAKE SURE she agrees with you taking your condom off. That is HER CHOICE and her choice alone.

Please stop with the shitty mongering antics and advice. This country is already enough of a mongering desert as it currently is, no need to actively try to make it even worse.

[LovinAsia]

Tell us a real number: how many real pussies you fucked in your life? The more we learn, the better in mongering life. Not other way round, young man.

Less than 3000 but more than your teenage brain can get LOL.

[LovinAsia]

Quote From Rainmania: "80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done".

Even more dangerous.

If a prostitute agreed to let you do BBFS / CIP without a condom, she would agree to every other man to fuck her and come in pussy without a condom. "80-85%" time? You had better to check out your HIV status. LOL.

Good luck with your agreeing with the girls who let you, and let every other man to fuck her without a condom before you BBFS/CIP her (your words BEFOREHAND). LOL.

Are you trying to be retarded and hypocritical or were you born that way?? LOL. You told him to check HIV status yet YOU are the one who want to go BB after sliding your condom off during FS hahaha you are such a poor YOUNG MAN.

[All For Bb]

Not surprised by your response. You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not LOL. You should let scientists know of your new ability to 'feel' STIs!

I get myself checked every six months. Fingers crossed nothing yet!

Thankfully HIV rates in Korea are very low, moreso even lower when we're talking about penis-vaginal sex, and even lower when specifically talking about transmission from women to men through vaginal sex. BBFS is a risky activity, yes. Which is WHY I GIVE THE GIRL THE CHOICE on whether to do it or not, and not try to be a dickhead by stealthing her.

Good. You are talking less about the moral issue. You realized you are an immoral monger too. LOL.

You are still in more dangerous situation though. As I stated below, I fucked a lot of girls, most of them, prostitutes, with condoms. You, 80-85% without condoms. Quote from you "You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not" . Did you read the last 2 pages of posts? I am the person who wanted to learn from the expert who shared his experience. I don't even know much how to do it, so keep asking, and need a "sex education" as LovinAsia said. No mistake and be careful before you posting.

We need more sharing, less argueling, particullally on hypocritical so-called moral hight. Thank you and good luck for fucking without condom with girls who agreed to let you do it.

[RainMania]

Quote From Rainmania: "80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done".

Even more dangerous.

If a prostitute agreed to let you do BBFS / CIP without a condom, she would agree to every other man to fuck her and come in pussy without a condom. "80-85%" time? You had better to check out your HIV status. LOL.

Good luck with your agreeing with the girls who let you, and let every other man to fuck her without a condom before you BBFS/CIP her (your words BEFOREHAND). LOL.

Not surprised by your response. You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not LOL. You should let scientists know of your new ability to 'feel' STIs!

I get myself checked every six months. Fingers crossed nothing yet!

Thankfully HIV rates in Korea are very low, moreso even lower when we're talking about penis-vaginal sex, and even lower when specifically talking about transmission from women to men through vaginal sex. BBFS is a risky activity, yes. Which is WHY I GIVE THE GIRL THE CHOICE on whether to do it or not, and not try to be a dickhead by stealthing her.

[All For Bb]

Yeah I don't need to learn how to take a condom off during sex LOL you're the one who sounds young and immature.

Tell us a real number: how many real pussies you fucked in your life? The more we learn, the better in mongering life. Not other way round, young man.

[All For Bb]

Quote From Rainmania: "80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done".

Even more dangerous.

If a prostitute agreed to let you do BBFS / CIP without a condom, she would agree to every other man to fuck her and come in pussy without a condom. "80-85%" time? You had better to check out your HIV status. LOL.

Good luck with your agreeing with the girls who let you, and let every other man to fuck her without a condom before you BBFS/CIP her (your words BEFOREHAND). LOL.

[RainMania]

Yes we are on a prostitution forum, not on a forum for tricking women into doing something they did not previously agree to do. You must think you're the only guy, or the smartest to have ever tried it.

You can try to play the dumb foreigner trick every time the girl notices you trying to stealth her, but one thing I've learned about the profession in Korea (and other countries) is that hookers talk, mostly to each other and sometimes to their pimps / mamasan. It's only a matter of time before you're pinned as the dodgy guy who tries to take the condom off without their knowledge.

And no, licking a girl's nipples without discussion / permission beforehand is not the same as stealthing her. If a girl had said at the start that she doesn't like her nipples being touched, and then the punter went on to deliberately touch / lick them. That would also be a shitty thing to do. With a condom, 99% of the time, the girl puts it on you, which means there is a mutual understanding between both of you on condom usage, so for you to take it off without her knowledge is you taking THAT CHOICE away from her.

80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done, and if I ever get the feeling a girl doesn't want to service me I walk. It's that simple! The good thing about girls refusing tonservice you is you can be rest assured they aren't being forced and are doing the job out of choice.

The few times where I started CFS with a girl, and ended up doing BBFS, either I or she made the suggestion and the other party agreed. There have even been times when a girl agreed to BBBJ or BBFS and then tried to sneak a condom on afterwards during the BJ. Guess what, that's a shitty thing to do as well!

You can doubt my experiences all you want. My record here on ISG is there for all to see, and it only details about 20-30% of my experiences in Korea. I stopped giving advice here a long time ago because too many people in this thread are happy with paying KRW 300-500 k for vanilla sex and one shot (LOL). I imagine a lot of other experienced Korea mongerers who are still in country simply decided to stay quiet for the same reason as well, and keep their gems to themselves.

Good luck with your stealthing and overpriced pussy. As for me, I'll continue to get an understanding from my providers BEFOREHAND.

[Phloppy]

Got any more info on how to get here at Orange? Also are you white? Were they foreigner friendly?

White. You will have to find them to get location info. That's not mine to give out.

[Wimble]

Magic Johnson's problem was not having sex with prostitutes, or how many women he fucked. The problem was that he was using drug, and was fucking man too.

Unfortunately, most of the women you came across have also fucked men. And, I find many women do not request condoms or specifically ask not to use one. I usually head the other way. Also, I have been told there is quite a large number of bi-men so one is really not safe.

[All For Bb]

Magic Johnson quoted less than you before pulled out.

Magic Johnson's problem was not having sex with prostitutes, or how many women he fucked. The problem was that he was using drug, and was fucking man too.

[KyleIrving]

Hypocritical? The difference between me and you is I don't try to sneak around stealthing people.

You really have no idea how much trouble it can get you into do you? If you're lucky the girl might simply call the police and cry rap3. You'll be charged and will have to pay her compensation, you might even face some jail time if the prosecutor really wants it. If you're unlucky she'll call the pimp, who will call his security and they'll go party on your face.

In both scenarios you not only fucked up for yourself, but you also fucked up for other foreigners who would most likely be blackballed from that service provider / agency.

LOL that is amazingly hypocritical. You are on a Prostitution forum. You can go to jail for years for simply paying women for sex. That act itself is illegal yet you act holier than thou. You are at the mercy of the prostitute at all time. She could simply say you [CodeWord124] her and the bouncer will beat your face in. It's not a legal business under no legal protection so when you go into a secluded room to do an illegal activity, you are already at risk of jail / being assaulted.

Secondly I am beginning to question your experiences. Taking it off is not as simple as "***** take this dick weather you like it or not and shut the fuck up". I take it off. Go "oops it fell off" they either go "it's OK keep going " or "oh OK let me go get another one" in which case I leave it on.

By your example you better never have sex or touch a girl at a club because they are to drunk to consent to anything. So make sure you don't do anything at all or you're at risk for [CodeWord123] and jail time! Your examples are so extreme and out of touch with reality. It's not black and white and takes a rational decision in the moment to make an adult decision.

Half the experiences on here say "the girl was mechanical and not into it". Clearly they do not want to fuck you but that doesn't matter to you cause you want to treat this woman as an object and fuck her regardless. But that's morally OK to you. In these situations, I would never take it off, do my business, and be on my way.

If the girl is making good conversation, seems into you, willing to give her her kakao, then sure I'll give it a shot to take it off. At worst they say "wait a sec let me get a new one" and at that point I would agree would be amazingly ass hole to force it off or keep going when they say wait.