Seoul

[Markt1]

Hey guys,

I got 6 hours layover. Is that enough time to do anything? What would you recommend?

[Phloppy]

Never mind I figured out the issue, my prepaid sim plan didn't include text. I went and changed my plan to include text, and the texts are going thru, however not getting any response from Honey Cafe. Any tips on how to get them to respond?

A lot of guys are reluctant to give out info on "their" places because they get inundated with foreigners and ultimately don't allow us any more. You just have to do what we all end up doing: calling / texting a ton of places; getting a lot of no answers, and even more turn downs. Its becoming harder since covid to get into hyugyetels and other places. I gave some info on a good gunma in Youngdeungpo a few months ago. I found that place after about an hour of searching. I'll be back in Seoul soon, but I'm not sure what I'll find this time around.

Unfortunately, Korea just isn't friendly anymore. Hooker Hill is dead. A lot of the RLD that accepted us are gone. Covid killed the walk up game, and MR ladies are pricing themselves out of many people. For many of us, its simply cheaper and better to go elsewhere.

[GorditoSlayer]

Tried tiffany anma today. Was kind of a let down, did the 4th F. The girl was middle 30's, average frame and not attractive and would only do CBJ. I don't know if I just got unlucky with the girl.

[GorditoSlayer]

From opgani15 I found the phone number posted for Honey Cafe. However when I go and text that number, I keep getting a message not delivered error. I'm using a sim card from KT so its a korean number.

Never mind I figured out the issue, my prepaid sim plan didn't include text. I went and changed my plan to include text, and the texts are going thru, however not getting any response from Honey Cafe. Any tips on how to get them to respond?

[GorditoSlayer]

From opgani15 I found the phone number posted for Honey Cafe. However when I go and text that number, I keep getting a message not delivered error. I'm using a sim card from KT so its a korean number.

[ThingStick]

Hi all,

Any registered users want to take pity on me and DM deets for Honey?

I'm here for 72 hours, and as a self proclaimed head lover, have spent the last 6 hours banging my head against the wall trying to find into for this Honey place.

Signed up for an account at the opgani 15 place. Tho that didn't seem to help much. From what I understand, pick "lip" - still can't find the "Seongnam" section (translated, or charecters) - woe is me! Alas, I think I may have found it both on the "Lonely Night" site, and Opgani itself (the yellow / bee / honey backround?

I used to do all sorts of digging like this in China, with even less info, so I'm surprised I can't figure it out to a T right quick.

However. Texting them with a foreign number. SMS style? No Whatsapp / Kakao / Line or anything?

So confused. Would really love to try + report the next two days.

LMK / drop a DM. Just going to be holding the dong anyway.

Cheers.

[LovinAsia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5EvC4aVeE

How true is any of this? I've been to South Korea, had a blast at some anmas and as far as I can tell, everybody in South Korea is pretty loaded. Designer clothes, fantastic cars, highly educated, and damn near perfect English although they're very shy to speak it, and for some weird reason tend to have American accents. Everybody's so polite, and essentially zero crime. I've met some Koreans here in the states and they tell me life is great in South Korea, good work life balance, free education, low taxes. I'm inclined to believe this report, CNA is Singapore's main news outlet, and if you can't trust Singapore, who can you trust? Weirdly, when I had to go do my thing for uncle Sam decades ago in South East Asia, I actually met some South Koreans on our side.

Also, if you're in Seoul, I recommend Tiffany Anma. About 200 bucks for an hour, other options available. A little cheaper if you're local. At this point, it's cheaper to bang a Korean chick in Seoul than in NYC. They cost about 300 bucks now here in the tri-state area, so that's a no go for me.

And who wouldn't love Goshiwons? You get to live apart from people in your own room, it's super cheap rent at 200 bucks for a month? Holy moses. Talk about savings. Rat race? At least there are jobs out there. At this point, I can't even get a job at the post office where I live. Why are things so much better everywhere except where I am now, and where I've been before? Ain't got no luck I tell ya fellas. I just ain't got no luck. God, I'll sell my soul to Mammon for 15 million US Dollars if it'll get me out of this hole that's my life. BTW, the only paradise in Asia is Thailand, just my two cents. No other country comes close.

Are you serious? Have you even been in a goshiwon? You mean to say who WOULD want to stay in one unless you're making minimum wage.

[LovinAsia]

That video is pretty accurate.

- Everybody in South Korea is pretty loaded.

No. People with money in Korea have money and show it off. There are also some people without money that buy fake goods and pretend like they have money because image is important. Most people just eek out a normal life -- to assume everyone is loaded is like visiting Beverly Hills and assuming all of the US is the same. Recently a newspaper surveyed about 5000 people aged 18-25 and found 55.6% of the youth population residing in Seoul now lives in poverty, with many seeking financial support from their parents. Nearly half surveyed said they still live with their parents. South Korea's senior poverty rate is also the highest among member countries of the OECD at 40.4%. By comparison, the US is 22.8%. https://data.oecd.org/inequality/poverty-rate.htm.

- Damn near perfect English although they're very shy to speak it, and for some weird reason tend to have American accents.

You haven't met enough Koreans. Most Koreans I work with do not speak "perfect" English -- I'd say less than 5%. Korean people have varying degrees of English, from barely able to hold a conversation with most speaking just enough to get by in basic situations (ie: order food, ask for directions) if they had to. Yes there are some that speak better because they went to school abroad, or spent extra time studying, but that has not been the majority of people from my experience.

- Everybody's so polite, and essentially zero crime.

They are polite to foreigners because they used to view them as a novelty. With more tourists visiting Korea, it's less of a novelty these days, but Koreans can be really rude to each other. As far as crime goes, sure there aren't mass shootings like the US but that's only because guns are not common. If people had guns, there would be plenty of shootings given the number of hot headed Koreans. That aside, assaults, scammers, and murders do happen in Korea, but yes, overall crime is lower in Korea vs the US for various reasons.

- I've met some Koreans here in the states and they tell me life is great in South Korea, good work life balance, free education, low taxes.

Life in Korea is great but only if you have money, and that's a very small minority and that probably holds true for most other countries as well. The average salary in Korea is about $3 k USD per month. Yes, there is cheap housing, but considering if you want to buy even an old and small place in the Gangnam district it basically starts at $1 m USD, there's no way anyone making $3 k a month will ever be able to afford that in their lifetime. If you make 75-80 k USD / yr in Korea that's considered a lot by Korean standards. Moving outside of Seoul has much more affordable housing but the problem is there are fewer jobs and facilities (hospitals) for older people. Younger people do not want to live there, or can't because again, there are fewer jobs.

As far as work-life balance, it's gotten better over the years, but it's still lagging compared to western countries. Working 6 days a week to make ends meet is still quite common for some jobs. There are still some companies in Korea where you cannot leave the office until your manager has left, even if you finished up what you need to do for the day.

Education is free, but only for elementary and middle school. Pre-school is not free and neither is high school. To get into a good high school and then college you have to have exceptional grades which means parents send their kids to hagwons (after school programs / private tutoring). I know people that spend up to $20 k USD per child on education. Assuming you do go to college, tuition is significantly cheaper than the US.

Korea has a progressive tax system just like the US and it tops off at 38%. If you don't make a lot of money you won't pay a lot in taxes -- same as the US. Someone making 75-80 k USD will pay about 16-17 k USD in taxes which puts them in the low 20%. This is including national pension (social security), national health care, etc. Korea also has a 10% VAT, basically the equivalent of sales tax on most good / services. At least that's one of the lowest VATs.

- And who wouldn't love Goshiwons? You get to live apart from people in your own room, it's super cheap rent at 200 bucks for a month?

I guess it depends on your standards. Goshiwons are barely big enough to fit a twin mattress, a small desk, and a small fridge. You might not even get your own bathroom too. People live there because they don't have much of a choice. It's basically 1 or 2 steps above being homeless.

- Rat race? At least there are jobs out there. At this point, I can't even get a job at the post office where I live.

Jobs that are available are either (a) part-time, low paying jobs, like at a convenience store, (b) manual labor work like farming or construction, (c) delivery jobs which don't pay a lot and you have to work 10+ hrs / day, or (d) highly competitive jobs where having advanced degrees is the common for people applying. Even those delivery jobs are competitive and they don't offer any benefits since it's like Uber / Lyft. According to Statistics Korea, 45.4 percent of the youth population aged 15 to 29 were recorded to have been unemployed for more than a year as of this year, 44.3 percent were unemployed after graduating, and 42 percent had been laid off.

- BTW, the only paradise in Asia is Thailand, just my two cents. No other country comes close.

From a mongering standpoint, yes.

Everything you said is on point. Don't know what the guy you were quoting was smoking hahha.

Only part ID disagree with both of you is for purely ease of sex minus cultural experience or food etc, I would rate the philippines better. At least you can communicate in english and have generally a GFE.

[Nother Monger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5EvC4aVeE

How true is any of this? I've been to South Korea, had a blast at some anmas and as far as I can tell, everybody in South Korea is pretty loaded. Designer clothes, fantastic cars, highly educated, and damn near perfect English although they're very shy to speak it, and for some weird reason tend to have American accents. Everybody's so polite, and essentially zero crime. I've met some Koreans here in the states and they tell me life is great in South Korea, good work life balance, free education, low taxes. I'm inclined to believe this report, CNA is Singapore's main news outlet, and if you can't trust Singapore, who can you trust? Weirdly, when I had to go do my thing for uncle Sam decades ago in South East Asia, I actually met some South Koreans on our side.

Also, if you're in Seoul, I recommend Tiffany Anma. About 200 bucks for an hour, other options available. A little cheaper if you're local. At this point, it's cheaper to bang a Korean chick in Seoul than in NYC. They cost about 300 bucks now here in the tri-state area, so that's a no go for me.

And who wouldn't love Goshiwons? You get to live apart from people in your own room, it's super cheap rent at 200 bucks for a month? Holy moses. Talk about savings. Rat race? At least there are jobs out there. At this point, I can't even get a job at the post office where I live. Why are things so much better everywhere except where I am now, and where I've been before? Ain't got no luck I tell ya fellas. I just ain't got no luck. God, I'll sell my soul to Mammon for 15 million US Dollars if it'll get me out of this hole that's my life. BTW, the only paradise in Asia is Thailand, just my two cents. No other country comes close.

That video is pretty accurate.

- Everybody in South Korea is pretty loaded.

No. People with money in Korea have money and show it off. There are also some people without money that buy fake goods and pretend like they have money because image is important. Most people just eek out a normal life -- to assume everyone is loaded is like visiting Beverly Hills and assuming all of the US is the same. Recently a newspaper surveyed about 5000 people aged 18-25 and found 55.6% of the youth population residing in Seoul now lives in poverty, with many seeking financial support from their parents. Nearly half surveyed said they still live with their parents. South Korea's senior poverty rate is also the highest among member countries of the OECD at 40.4%. By comparison, the US is 22.8%. https://data.oecd.org/inequality/poverty-rate.htm.

- Damn near perfect English although they're very shy to speak it, and for some weird reason tend to have American accents.

You haven't met enough Koreans. Most Koreans I work with do not speak "perfect" English -- I'd say less than 5%. Korean people have varying degrees of English, from barely able to hold a conversation with most speaking just enough to get by in basic situations (ie: order food, ask for directions) if they had to. Yes there are some that speak better because they went to school abroad, or spent extra time studying, but that has not been the majority of people from my experience.

- Everybody's so polite, and essentially zero crime.

They are polite to foreigners because they used to view them as a novelty. With more tourists visiting Korea, it's less of a novelty these days, but Koreans can be really rude to each other. As far as crime goes, sure there aren't mass shootings like the US but that's only because guns are not common. If people had guns, there would be plenty of shootings given the number of hot headed Koreans. That aside, assaults, scammers, and murders do happen in Korea, but yes, overall crime is lower in Korea vs the US for various reasons.

- I've met some Koreans here in the states and they tell me life is great in South Korea, good work life balance, free education, low taxes.

Life in Korea is great but only if you have money, and that's a very small minority and that probably holds true for most other countries as well. The average salary in Korea is about $3 k USD per month. Yes, there is cheap housing, but considering if you want to buy even an old and small place in the Gangnam district it basically starts at $1 m USD, there's no way anyone making $3 k a month will ever be able to afford that in their lifetime. If you make 75-80 k USD / yr in Korea that's considered a lot by Korean standards. Moving outside of Seoul has much more affordable housing but the problem is there are fewer jobs and facilities (hospitals) for older people. Younger people do not want to live there, or can't because again, there are fewer jobs.

As far as work-life balance, it's gotten better over the years, but it's still lagging compared to western countries. Working 6 days a week to make ends meet is still quite common for some jobs. There are still some companies in Korea where you cannot leave the office until your manager has left, even if you finished up what you need to do for the day.

Education is free, but only for elementary and middle school. Pre-school is not free and neither is high school. To get into a good high school and then college you have to have exceptional grades which means parents send their kids to hagwons (after school programs / private tutoring). I know people that spend up to $20 k USD per child on education. Assuming you do go to college, tuition is significantly cheaper than the US.

Korea has a progressive tax system just like the US and it tops off at 38%. If you don't make a lot of money you won't pay a lot in taxes -- same as the US. Someone making 75-80 k USD will pay about 16-17 k USD in taxes which puts them in the low 20%. This is including national pension (social security), national health care, etc. Korea also has a 10% VAT, basically the equivalent of sales tax on most good / services. At least that's one of the lowest VATs.

- And who wouldn't love Goshiwons? You get to live apart from people in your own room, it's super cheap rent at 200 bucks for a month?

I guess it depends on your standards. Goshiwons are barely big enough to fit a twin mattress, a small desk, and a small fridge. You might not even get your own bathroom too. People live there because they don't have much of a choice. It's basically 1 or 2 steps above being homeless.

- Rat race? At least there are jobs out there. At this point, I can't even get a job at the post office where I live.

Jobs that are available are either (a) part-time, low paying jobs, like at a convenience store, (b) manual labor work like farming or construction, (c) delivery jobs which don't pay a lot and you have to work 10+ hrs / day, or (d) highly competitive jobs where having advanced degrees is the common for people applying. Even those delivery jobs are competitive and they don't offer any benefits since it's like Uber / Lyft. According to Statistics Korea, 45.4 percent of the youth population aged 15 to 29 were recorded to have been unemployed for more than a year as of this year, 44.3 percent were unemployed after graduating, and 42 percent had been laid off.

- BTW, the only paradise in Asia is Thailand, just my two cents. No other country comes close.

From a mongering standpoint, yes.

[Phloppy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5EvC4aVeE

How true is any of this? I've been to South Korea, had a blast at some anmas and as far as I can tell, everybody in South Korea is pretty loaded. Designer clothes, fantastic cars, highly educated, and damn near perfect English although they're very shy to speak it, and for some weird reason tend to have American accents. Everybody's so polite, and essentially zero crime. I've met some Koreans here in the states and they tell me life is great in South Korea, good work life balance, free education, low taxes. I'm inclined to believe this report, CNA is Singapore's main news outlet, and if you can't trust Singapore, who can you trust? Weirdly, when I had to go do my thing for uncle Sam decades ago in South East Asia, I actually met some South Koreans on our side.

Also, if you're in Seoul, I recommend Tiffany Anma. About 200 bucks for an hour, other options available. A little cheaper if you're local. At this point, it's cheaper to bang a Korean chick in Seoul than in NYC. They cost about 300 bucks now here in the tri-state area, so that's a no go for me.

And who wouldn't love Goshiwons? You get to live apart from people in your own room, it's super cheap rent at 200 bucks for a month? Holy moses. Talk about savings. Rat race? At least there are jobs out there. At this point, I can't even get a job at the post office where I live. Why are things so much better everywhere except where I am now, and where I've been before? Ain't got no luck I tell ya fellas. I just ain't got no luck. God, I'll sell my soul to Mammon for 15 million US Dollars if it'll get me out of this hole that's my life. BTW, the only paradise in Asia is Thailand, just my two cents. No other country comes close.

Korea has some of the highest household debt in the world. So a lot of those people buying fancy cars, clothes, etc. Are doing so on debt.

I went to a couple MR ladies in the last couple years, but I can't affird to keep doing so. Thankfully, some Hyugyeteks and gunmas still accept white guys. You can go to those for less than 200 k for 2+ shots. Still, like RainMania said a long time ago, if you are going to drop a million won on sex, you might as well get a round trip to Thailand and enjoy a King's sex life in a day for the same amount as you would spend for an hour here.

[PutinBerg1]

They are foreigner friendly but only 1-1.

Despite confirming with them in advance that club experience is available, when I arrived, they said it's a mistake. Paid 280,000 for a bit mature no butt and no English.

[Enter The V]

So where is the hell hole you live in now??

He made it clear the Hell Hole we are living in is the USA.

[LovinAsia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5EvC4aVeE

How true is any of this? I've been to South Korea, had a blast at some anmas and as far as I can tell, everybody in South Korea is pretty loaded. Designer clothes, fantastic cars, highly educated, and damn near perfect English although they're very shy to speak it, and for some weird reason tend to have American accents. Everybody's so polite, and essentially zero crime. I've met some Koreans here in the states and they tell me life is great in South Korea, good work life balance, free education, low taxes. I'm inclined to believe this report, CNA is Singapore's main news outlet, and if you can't trust Singapore, who can you trust? Weirdly, when I had to go do my thing for uncle Sam decades ago in South East Asia, I actually met some South Koreans on our side.

Also, if you're in Seoul, I recommend Tiffany Anma. About 200 bucks for an hour, other options available. A little cheaper if you're local. At this point, it's cheaper to bang a Korean chick in Seoul than in NYC. They cost about 300 bucks now here in the tri-state area, so that's a no go for me.

And who wouldn't love Goshiwons? You get to live apart from people in your own room, it's super cheap rent at 200 bucks for a month? Holy moses. Talk about savings. Rat race? At least there are jobs out there. At this point, I can't even get a job at the post office where I live. Why are things so much better everywhere except where I am now, and where I've been before? Ain't got no luck I tell ya fellas. I just ain't got no luck. God, I'll sell my soul to Mammon for 15 million US Dollars if it'll get me out of this hole that's my life. BTW, the only paradise in Asia is Thailand, just my two cents. No other country comes close.

So where is the hell hole you live in now??

[Enter The V]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE5EvC4aVeE

How true is any of this? I've been to South Korea, had a blast at some anmas and as far as I can tell, everybody in South Korea is pretty loaded. Designer clothes, fantastic cars, highly educated, and damn near perfect English although they're very shy to speak it, and for some weird reason tend to have American accents. Everybody's so polite, and essentially zero crime. I've met some Koreans here in the states and they tell me life is great in South Korea, good work life balance, free education, low taxes. I'm inclined to believe this report, CNA is Singapore's main news outlet, and if you can't trust Singapore, who can you trust? Weirdly, when I had to go do my thing for uncle Sam decades ago in South East Asia, I actually met some South Koreans on our side.

Also, if you're in Seoul, I recommend Tiffany Anma. About 200 bucks for an hour, other options available. A little cheaper if you're local. At this point, it's cheaper to bang a Korean chick in Seoul than in NYC. They cost about 300 bucks now here in the tri-state area, so that's a no go for me.

And who wouldn't love Goshiwons? You get to live apart from people in your own room, it's super cheap rent at 200 bucks for a month? Holy moses. Talk about savings. Rat race? At least there are jobs out there. At this point, I can't even get a job at the post office where I live. Why are things so much better everywhere except where I am now, and where I've been before? Ain't got no luck I tell ya fellas. I just ain't got no luck. God, I'll sell my soul to Mammon for 15 million US Dollars if it'll get me out of this hole that's my life. BTW, the only paradise in Asia is Thailand, just my two cents. No other country comes close.

USA is perhaps on top of the worst countries to live bro its ridiculous anywhere at this point is better.

[SeoulSearching]

Afaik Jane is early 30s, over 15 years ago might not maths. Only seen her at Apple on Fridays past 10 pm.

Otherwise, can only suggest the older pale lady at Texas bar. Not the big woman or the fringe haired tan one sometimes there. Seems the most put together and has a great bod and attitude.

I am curious about who is at Texas. Haven't seen anyone there for a while.

There is also a Candy bar blonde in her upper 40's used to work at the bar above XO. I forget her name. She has been around over 7 years, on and off. White skin and bleach blonde hair. Sometimes red nails. She was the one whose name I didn't know. Not my type, but maybe for others? All of the ladies at Candy are 40-50+. I saw S. There recently. She had me wound up to CBJ and I blew a volcanic load all over her body. Surprised her by how much. Haha. She has the best skin on her butt and hips, even still. Eunie is there too, and looks really cute when she wears this short Chinese dress. I prefer meeting these people 1-on-1 daytime, rather than when the bar is full. Candy bar is a tight space for so many working at once.