Seoul

[Run Mann]

Thanks Ho Man, I accept and I understand, but I took your post more as a frustrated member not wanting to keep reading the same garbage we were posting here daily.

Now that the storm appears to be over, l hope we all get the quality and informative posts we want from all posters.

Finally a note the news posters on this board, if your post are filled with nothing but asking for information and not sharing, please don't PM me asking for info, or if we can meet. My advice is to read the board, yes some of this stuff is outdated, but a lot of it is still good.

I apologize to Run Mann - your posts are usually first class. Cute Guy 9000, some of your observations are informative - but would, perhaps, be better expressed in an "Advice and Opinions" section, as suggested by #2966. That way, this page can be reserved for what we all crave.

[Parlour Paul]

What a weird thread this is. Oh well, here is my 2 pence.

I love Seoul. What a city for hobbying. I have no experience at all north of the river. I always stay south in Gangnam or Jamsil/Olympic park area. The place I really like is the area just across the street form the Grand Intercontinental (nice Hotel by the way). Gotta love it. There are a lot of places with rotating barber signs. When there are more than one sign rotating, it is an AMP Korean style. Worked every time so far. You just walk in, mumble the word massage and off you go. The standard price seems to be 70,000 Won ($70).

They have a great routine: First you take your cloth off and they put you in a sort of shorts. Then you lay down on your belly, they give you a 2 minute rub and then they take the shorts of which is not easy since you lie on it. No idea what the shorts is about - maybe some legal deal.

Then they start with the serious massage business. I have massages all over the world (both types) and I have to say that I really like the Korean style. Sometimes they put a plastic sheet under you and then wrap you in a lot of hot towels and then cover you with plastic on top, thereby creating a local sauna effect. Then they walk on your back. Heaven! And it goes on and on, for about 40 - 50 minutes. Oil, hot towels, you name it. And all done in a similar way, I think the Korean guys expect a certain standard.

Then you turn around and from here I had a lot of variations. One lady offered FS or hand job, but FS consisted of a faked intercourse with her on top using her hand to simulate, you know the drill. Another (my favourite) offered mutual masturbation (she was hot!), another did hand job with prostate massge, and so on. Wonderful.

You pay the girls when you leave the 70,000 and then you tip them. Whatever you tip, they always ask for 10,000 more. Must be in their manual. So I offer them a 20,000 tip and pay 30,000 tip plus 70,000.

You do not seem to be able to chose a girl. However, they are all lovely and cute (as you can tell I like the Korean girls).

Happy hunting

[Hades]

Anyhow after being at pollys and not picking up anything, I decide to go down to tiger tavern for some fun with Yu-Mi or whatever her fucking name is.

Anyway she once again complains that she hasnt had any customers that night *cough* whatever *cough* so I say how about another 75k for bj and talking and she turns it down. Im like WTF, its not like im the incredible hulk but since im not the typical GI that walks in there and she sucks 5 times and bam he's done. She actually has to earn her money makes her disinterested. So I went whatever im not coming back then and going to spread the word.

Hell gentlemen, looks will only get you so far. But compared to the Thai women, SK prostitutes are spoilt.

I wasnt that fussed when I walked out, but I did want a massage from the place just up from Seoul pub and Nashville.

Tell you one thing, these girls must chug back shots of Soju between clients because they were NUTS! But I got a good massage and declined the happy ending, but they persisted and I said whatever. But afterwards I kinda felt dirty. The massage was only so so at that.

Anyone know what other barbershops are about in Itaewon? I thought there was on down the alley next to Geckos but i couldnt find it.

Oh and also the Barbershop said 60k cash and 70k Credit Card and I went bull shit. 65k Credit card. So she does the card, I look at it and she has charged 75k. I said gimme 10k and we will call it even. She obviously thought I was drunk and wouldnt notice.

Bah!

[Ho Man]

I called Kim's today and asked to speak to Jean. The girl who answered told me that there are TWO Jeans (and she was one of them). I asked about the New Age Massage and she told me that it was the OTHER Jean who used to offer that service - but that it had been discontinued since January.

After further probing, she agreed that it was something best discussed with the other Jean, in person, rather than over the telephone.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to get near Itaewon for about 4 or 5 weeks, so it would be appreciated if another WSGer could test the veracity of the above paragraph sooner - and post his findings.

On another Itaewon matter, does anyone know what has happened to "Chez Vous", the place that served a variety of beers, authentic Thai food and massage?

[Ho Man]

I apologize to Run Mann - your posts are usually first class. Cute Guy 9000, some of your observations are informative - but would, perhaps, be better expressed in an "Advice and Opinions" section, as suggested by #2966. That way, this page can be reserved for what we all crave.

[Yella Man]

To stop all the Bullshit that's going on in this thread, I have suggested to Jackson to create an "Advice and Opinions" section in South Korea. Go to "Site Administration" which is at the bottom of the page when you first enter the WSG site. Then click on "Suggest New Topic". Then tell Jackson you would like an "Advice and Opinions" Section in the South Korea section so that you can vent whatever the hell you want to vent about. The Seoul thread is for locating sweet, tight pussy, not bashing each other with your opinions, no matter how much validity they hold. Do this Fellow hunters, and free us of the "No-it-alls" who have been ruining this thread.

Yella Man

[Run Mann]

Great first post! Now what are the chances that this post is written by the same person that he is purporting to validate? 100 percent.

S & M

Check your pm box, I just responded.

Absolutely. Every foreign male I know with a Korean-raised spouse or a long-term relationship with a local either 1) got married in the 1980s or earlier, 2) is fluent in the Korean language and lived in Korea long-term before marriage, or 3) married an extremely open-minded Korean, something that is rare indeed. I've always had far better luck with Korean-Americans or Korean-Canadians visiting or studying here.

Korea is a very Confucian society, built on hierarchical relationships. Everyone, upon first meeting, determines their relative social status. Foreigners' status in this system is undefined. Therefore, they have no status.

Korean women with foreign men here risk total ostracization by family, society and government. One who is ostracized by their family risked (until very recently) being crossed out of their family's geneaology, meaning they were no longer citizens in the eyes of the Korean government.

Hurdle 4 is very true - Koreans think deep down that their way is the best. Buying a foreign car is almost an act of treason and opens the door to an instant tax audit. Koreans really do think that theirs is the only country in the world with four distinct seasons. Koreans ridicule Kyopos (overseas Koreans) who use Western logic and do not exhibit the correct Korean 사고방식 ("sago-bang-shik" - way of thinking).

If you're a foreigner in this part of the world, and have neither the time nor inclination to settle here for years, Angeles City is only a plane ride away.

[Run Mann]

As I posted before, the only one as far as I know that does it is the girl name "Jean,” she also does outcall. Your best bet may be to set up an appointment with her for outcall. I must tell you though that she is not the most attractive girl of the bunch. If this was your first visit, or as you said lots of people were there, they may have been a bit cautious. Try the regular massage with her and ask for it towards the end of the session may be another way to go. Also try the other outcall massage girls from the newspaper too, I'm sure they would be glad to offer that type of service.

Runn Mann,

When was the last time you were there. I went to Kim's after reading the above post and was told they don't do New Age. There were a lot of people there at the time. So I am going to go back after typing this and see what's up.

[KGB420]

I have never had a problem finding a nice goodlooking girl and getting good service. I have seen people of mid-eastern origin get refused. I have also seen Russian people told to take a hike! I suppose alot of it depends on you too. A few tips would be dont dress like a slob as this is Korea and appearance is the most important thing. I am as blond and blue eyed as they come so I will never be confused for a Korean. I have had a few chicks turn me down and Im thinking that the number would be something you could count on one hand.


Problems I have had have been with Korean men who are also looking to get some. I am basically verbally abused. Now given the fact that I could plant these guys in one second.....I really question there sanity. This really pisses me off but if I do give them the beating they deserve I will get fined and deported and shit will happen to them. I have known way to many people who have suffered this fate. (Most Koreans I know are reasonable people but when it comes to chicks that changes everything) Anyway I will never take shit from anyone. If your gonna descriminate against me cause Im a foreigner then go a head I will tell you to F-Off, not a problem! So I hope you guys go hunting proudly and dont worry if some guys give you some flap they wont do anything. I have asked some of them oh do we have a problem here and they look away or just walk away.



Anyway just my thoughts on this.....


RM

[Ho Man]

Dear Jackson

If it is within your ambit, PLEASE do regular readers of this forum an almighty service and suspend the membership of Run Mann and Cute Guy 9000. They are ruining the Seoul thread for many other contributors by engaging in a never-ending flame war.

I used to enjoy Run Mann's contributions - but he has allowed himself to get sucked in by Cute Guy 9000, whose only "contributions" seem to be aimed at agitating responses in kind from Run Mann. It's a lot of shit to trawl through, just to get to matters of importance. You know WHY this forum was set up by your predecessor. It used to be so good...

[Bangalot]

Hey guys,

I have firgured out why we are all having a hard time getting Korean Pussy. Because there are enough fucked up and perverted foreign guys in Korea who think so lowly of the people and cons't stand the fact that the girls here are not like the girls in south east Asia. The balls you all have gt to be enormous and they probably swell up to the size of mellons when you walk down the street and see all of that nice Korean pussy with their arms around Korean me. CUTE GUY 9000, keep it up. You seem to be one of the only guys online that actually tells the truth. Damn, what a bunch of scum suckers.

Oh yes, the writing, I write well. It's the typing that sucks, but hey, that is what my administrative assistant is for. What do you do? Beat off in front of a computer screen all day. oh. My point Nick Belane, is that you are not going to see any older foreingers with their hands around Korean girls as much as you will back in the states. It is not a racist mentality, Korean women just feel more comfortable with Korean men. It is not that big of a deal. I have given up on finding someone to marry, I am just looking for some tight pussy that I can pay for. I will go back to the states for a serious relationship with a nice girl from Chicago.

[Deep Kimchi]

Wow, is all I can say. Get out of Itaewon.

(snip)

I'm done. Welcome to Korea.

Absolutely. Every foreign male I know with a Korean-raised spouse or a long-term relationship with a local either 1) got married in the 1980s or earlier, 2) is fluent in the Korean language and lived in Korea long-term before marriage, or 3) married an extremely open-minded Korean, something that is rare indeed. I've always had far better luck with Korean-Americans or Korean-Canadians visiting or studying here.

Korea is a very Confucian society, built on hierarchical relationships. Everyone, upon first meeting, determines their relative social status. Foreigners' status in this system is undefined. Therefore, they have no status.

Korean women with foreign men here risk total ostracization by family, society and government. One who is ostracized by their family risked (until very recently) being crossed out of their family's geneaology, meaning they were no longer citizens in the eyes of the Korean government.

Hurdle 4 is very true - Koreans think deep down that their way is the best. Buying a foreign car is almost an act of treason and opens the door to an instant tax audit. Koreans really do think that theirs is the only country in the world with four distinct seasons. Koreans ridicule Kyopos (overseas Koreans) who use Western logic and do not exhibit the correct Korean 사고방식 ("sago-bang-shik" - way of thinking).

Hurdle 6 goes like this: "AIDS is a foreign disease, therefore all foreigners have AIDS."

There is a national museum in Chonan, about 60 miles south of Seoul - the Independence Hall of Korea. In it, there is (or there was; the last time I was there was 1993) a little display on the supposed cranial capacities of all the "races." (Koreans consider themselves a separate and distinct race, as different from Chinese as white is from black) Guess who they say averages the world's biggest brains? And this is an official national museum!

This is a country that has been invaded hundreds of times over their history and yet has maintained the most homogeneous society in the world. It was the "hermit kingdom" whose kings posted stone markers throughout the countryside warning people of foreigners and had to be opened to the world at gunpoint in the late 19th century. Every year, bills to counter racial discrimination are introduced in the National Assembly and never make it out of committee. Another telling sign of the "official" Korean governement attitude towards foreigners is the legal definition of murder: "causing the death of a Korean citizen." That's right: if a Korean kills a foreigner wrongfully, it is not murder under Korean law; merely a serious class of assault.

If you're a foreigner in this part of the world, and have neither the time nor inclination to settle here for years, Angeles City is only a plane ride away.

[Run Mann]

Hey don't look now but you've got forum members calling you a punk and a fool for posting the same repetitive unsubstantiated junk over and over. Keep it up, you may eventually convince yourself this is true.

Wow, is all I can say. Get out of Itaewon. Take a look around Sinchon or Kodae or SNU or Myeong Dong or Dongdaemoon or Jongno. Look at all the young hot Korean girls. See any on the arm of a middle aged white man? Head to a Starbucks. Watch Korean women when a lone white man walks in. See any heads turning? Go to Thailand or the Philippines and sure you see a lot of older men with their little fun time honey for the week. But that's a rare sight here. Again, there's a good reason.

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I'm done. Welcome to Korea.

[Dark One]

That massage is still available, but you have to ask for it because it's no longer written on the menu. It appears that only one girl (Jean-I think her name is) gives this massage, at least that's what the receptionist told me the last time I was there.

Runn Mann,

When was the last time you were there. I went to Kim's after reading the above post and was told they don't do New Age. There were a lot of people there at the time. So I am going to go back after typing this and see what's up.

[Cute Guy 9000]

Wow, is all I can say. Get out of Itaewon. Take a look around Sinchon or Kodae or SNU or Myeong Dong or Dongdaemoon or Jongno. Look at all the young hot Korean girls. See any on the arm of a middle aged white man? Head to a Starbucks. Watch Korean women when a lone white man walks in. See any heads turning? Go to Thailand or the Philippines and sure you see a lot of older men with their little fun time honey for the week. But that's a rare sight here. Again, there's a good reason.

(Once in a while you see a nice looking Korean woman with a real pig but that sure doesn't imply they're a couple. There's a lot of "language exchange" dates going on here. Which generally amounts to the Korean woman thinking "oh I'm going to meet a foreigner and practice my English for free" and the foreigner thinking "I'm gonna get lucky!" Sometimes, sure. But again don't lay money on it. Curiously, this is a land where the direct approach works better. Probably because Korean men are very direct about what they want. "Give me your cell phone number because I want you to be my girlfriend.")

I guess it's a little much to expect career Asian prostitute mongers to accept the idea that there exists a place on earth where young Asian women don't all speak English and the ones that do are typically middle and upper classed and aren't willing to over look a big age difference and your slovenly dress because you're a white man. In a nation where females were aborted regularly and where men outnumber women by 15%, a woman of breeding age has lots of options domestically and can command a lot from highly paid Korean professionals where the tax rate is 3%.

I know it's hard to believe because, you know, you understand how Seoul women think because you pay a Korean woman in New York to jerk you off.

Here's the skinny:

Hurdle One: A Korean woman who dates or even considers marrying a westerner runs the very real risk of being disowned by her family. Family is everything in Korea. A Korean without a family is a persona non grata. The Korean social welfare system almost wholly relies on an extended family to take care of their own.

Hurdle One point one: Being called a ho by older Korean men. This is a culture where women aren't allowed to smoke in public because an older man will swat the cigarette out of her mouth. With the recent English Spectrum controversy and the never forgotten "those Americans like to run over our school girls with tanks" incident, a Korean woman doesn't generally view a white man on your arm as a social status marker like an LV purse.

Hurdle Two: English. Even those that can speak it don't for fear of looking stupid. Losing face is a huge thing here. One of my female friends is quite good at English, works at an international hotel in marketing, and if she's stopped on the streets by a foreigner for directions she'll suddenly adopt the "me no speak englishee!" Your ability to go outside of the Itaewon/Yongsan track (where Korean women with real white fever go) and try your pickup skills is much more limited.

Hurdle Three: Expectations. A Korean woman fluent in English with a university degree doesn't need a white guy and a green card to fashion a good life here.

Hurdle Four: Korea is the superior culture. Koreans like some aspects of Western culture, sure, but Koreans are some of the most partisan, xenophobic people in the world. Korea is the only nation on earth where McDonald's is not the number one fast food restaurant and domestic movies out gross Hollywood films and Wal-Mart is floundering, badly. Koreans like made in Korea. Everything here is better, in their view. One of the hardest things for Koreans to believe is other countries have four distinct seasons too. They literally learn from birth that Korea is the only nation on earth that has four seasons. Other crazy things they have a hard time believing is, like, Korean food actually came from some place else, like China or Japan or Mongolia. Telling a Korean their food isn't always the most wholesome food on the planet would win you no friends. It's not uncommon for Korean tourists to pack their own Korean food and never actually eat the local cuisine when they visit Europe or Thailand.

Hurdle Five: The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Korea is one of the great monocultures. Being different here isn't generally considered a good thing. The ultimate insult is being called a "wang ta", an outsider. Your average status conscious Korean woman wants exactly what her status conscious friends want: designer purses and a future husband who is a doctor or Samsung executive.

Hurdle Six: AIDS and other diseases. Foreigners they think bring these things. Why do A row prostitutes wave white people along? Disease fears.

Hurdle Seven: The ex-pat competition. You've got ESL types that have been here long enough to speak Korean. You've got young GIs.

If you like Korean women, Korean culture, and food, come here. Expect your chances with women here to be roughly equivalent to your chances with women back at home. Time and luck. Don't come expecting a nation full of women burning with white fever. You'll be very disappointed. If you want a sure thing, pay for play or stick to Itaewon or join ten million other men who message every Korean woman who lists her ID on MSN or Yahoo and set up a sure thing. Get out of Itaewon for some of the most remarkable eye candy, especially in summer. Skirts seem even shorter this summer. If you want to take your shot, well, go for it. But the safe money is that your little trip to Apukjong or Gangnam or Sinchon or Dongdaemoon will result in a world class case of blue balls.

I'm done. Welcome to Korea.