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12-06-04 04:34 #1959
Posts: 22I agree - an average Western guy has the same chances as an average Korean guy of getting a hot Korean chick - slim to none. If you can't get hot chicks in your home country, you're not going to get them here either. That's what PFP is for. On the bright side, it's been my (limited) experience that the current Korean college-age population has a lot less prejudice against dating Western guys than in years past. There's still quite a bit of prejudice, but in the six years I've been here I've noticed it decreasing. Today's college-age students are much more likely to have travelled and lived overseas than in the past, so maybe that has something to do with it. So, if you're young, good-looking, and have money (or really any two of those three), and aren't we all, your chances will improve - obviously.
Originally Posted by Mofaka
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12-05-04 14:05 #1958
Posts: 168Originally Posted by Cute Guy 9000
Cheers
Jaga
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12-03-04 10:05 #1957
Posts: 11Originally Posted by Cute Guy 9000
Trust me, the Western "superiority complex" will soon fade in the coming years. We'll all be speaking Mandarin or Indian within our lifetimes! LOL :P
Basically, if you don't look or act decent enough to get a date in one's home country, chances are that you won't be able to get the "Cindy Crawford" or Hyolee of Korea. Truth is, many Asian countries are becoming so as well, even SE Asia. The idea of Joe Shmoe getting Asian supermodels has been lost to folklore along with abject poverty(with exceptions: India, Mainland china in the sticks, and Cambodia comes to mind). Of course, that's just not my cup of tea. Kim HeeSun is my Venus.
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12-02-04 03:10 #1956
Posts: 117Originally Posted by Scuba
Father Glenn works with a lot of these women who are trafficked. Sometimes they enter the sex business by their choice, but are prohibited from leaving on their own terms. Being a ***** is perfectly all right if that's the woman's free choice or even just the only way she can make a living, but she should never be a slave. These women aren't meat (or, they aren't "just" meat). They are someone's sister, daughter, or mother and deserve some basic dignity.
Sucking your smelly cock is hard work.
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12-02-04 02:01 #1955
Posts: 46Don't forget Canadian women in Itaewon
It might seem a little strange to go to Korea to have sex with a white woman but if you're American consider there are a lot of horny Canadian women ESL teachers. If they're not given to Korean men, they find it a bit hard finding a white guy. The white guys are all chasing Korean women, of course. Canadian women, like American women, are much more used to the idea of a one night stand and know the score. You're not interested in being their English teacher.
Canadian women find exotic and charming American GIs, especially if you're a fine southern man with what amounts to a very charming accent to a Canadian. Latino men also drive Canadian women wild. There are not many Latinos in Canada. If you're black too you'll find a much more receptive audience in Canadian women. And regardless of race, if you're larger down there, it won't scare them off. Nothing worse than having sex with a Korean woman not used to a dick over 4" and a look on her face like "when will this be over with?"
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12-01-04 14:15 #1954
Posts: 114well found an australian to walk around yongsan tonight. not many chicks about and even the a rows have lost their charm. the b row was just plain disappointing.
however we walked into 3 ta-bangs today (the coffee houses). it was about 7pm on a wednesday night. what we saw was uber scary. like obviously 50+ agewise women. we took a peek and ran out, literally ran out before they could say anything.
anyone got any decent ta-bangs to look at?
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12-01-04 02:01 #1953
Posts: 46Originally Posted by Red 73
There is the fascination with foreigners but even that has retreated. Four or five years ago it would not be uncommon to have a woman strike up a conversation with you in a Starbuck. These days, however, young Koreans don't find westerners entirely exotic. Every school has a western teacher. And the World Cup pretty much super saturated them with foreigner experiences.
That said, it still is easy to get a date in Seoul. But mostly women here want to practice their English and have dinner with a foreigner. This is particularly true, as the poster hints, if you're trying to arrange a "date" to "help" her practice her English. They will take that offer at face value and not read between the lines. As well, they're raised with the notion that any kind of move on their part will brand them a ho. However much they might want it, they'll never, ever make a move. You have to make all the moves.
Young Korea women are also raised on Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt movies. To them, that's a western man. They're hyper conscious about fashion and labels. So, in sum, if you're looking for 20something non-pros in Starbucks, in and around the u-districts, if you're a 20something male, good looking, in shape, and fashionable, you'll have no problem. You won't turn heads if you're old and fat.
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11-30-04 02:05 #1952
Posts: 155Quote...Father Glen Jarron of the Filipino Catholic Center in Seoul said the Army’s health checks were of less concern than the South Korean government’s requirement that entertainers undergo AIDS tests. Jarron has worked extensively with Filipinos trafficked to South Korea.
“Why should they require entertainers to have an AIDS test and not require ordinary factory workers? That is tantamount to saying that the girls are not really going into that kind of work,” he said.
The real problem was not health checks or AIDS tests, he added.
“It is about ending the idea that they [Filipina nightclub workers] are still being used by American GIs or other foreigners,” he said. end Quote
I say, what is stopping these women from going back to the Philippines? If they don't want to be in the sex business, leave! But don't blame others for your ignorance! Servicing the military is a bunch of BS! These gals work in all areas of Korea not just the military bases areas! It's always easy to put the blame elsewhere.
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11-29-04 15:55 #1951
Posts: 22Around Seoul Hilton
Can't speak to the situation at Miari, but the area immediately around the Hilton is pretty dead. There are some super-seedy barbershop type places near Namdaemun, but I wouldn't recommend going to any of them; better to get a porno on the hotel TV and masturbate. However, Bukchang-dong is not too far away, and you could hit a room salon there. Or, if you want a sure thing, try one of the outcall services in any of the English-language newspapers.
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11-29-04 10:05 #1950
Posts: 1762Military checking Hookers health Records for AIDS
This is just an incredulous story!
CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea — Area I nightclub workers are angry that the 2nd Infantry Division continues to examine their health records — including AIDS tests results — a practice they say runs counter to the Army’s campaign against [CodeWord908] and prostitution.
Earlier this month, 2nd ID officials conducted health inspections of nightclub workers in Tongduchon, the city where the largest 2nd ID facilities in Area I — Camp Casey and Camp Hovey — are located.
A 2nd ID memo to nightclub owners states the inspections involved the division’s Preventative Medicine Office and the Tongduchon Health Department.
“All clubs will have all entertainers and club employees present during the inspection. Entertainers will have their passports, alien cards and health records present for verification of identity.
“Since entertainers are in close proximity to soldiers it is imperative that they can demonstrate that they are free of any communicable diseases,” the memo states.
One nightclub worker who passed the memo to Stars and Stripes and claims she was forced into prostitution after being lured to South Korea by the promise of an entertainment industry job, said health inspections give the impression the Army is involved in management of prostitution in Area I, despite a high-profile anti-vice campaign this year.
“They shouldn’t be having these health inspections. If there is no prostitution, they wouldn’t need the inspections,” she said.
However, 2nd ID spokesman Maj. Mike Lawhorn said the health checks do not amount to management of prostitution by the Army.
“We are absolutely not involved in the management of this. It is extremely important to the command, that everybody understands at all levels, that the division is absolutely committed to this zero-tolerance culture for activities that support [CodeWord908] and prostitution. We are not tolerating anything that supports that,” he said.
The health inspections had nothing to do with [CodeWord908] or prostitution, he said.
“They are about enforcing health and safety standards for our soldiers. We have made it very clear to the club owners and we are continuing to make clear to them our stance on [CodeWord908] and prostitution,” he said.
Members of the Korean Special Tourists Association (KSTA), an umbrella organization for nightclub owners serving U.S. soldiers in Area I, understand the Army’s concerns, he added.
“They want to run clean, profitable clubs to the benefit of everyone. It is to everyone’s benefit that the health and safety rules and the laws of Korea are adhered to,” Lawhorn said.
Clubs that break the rules will be declared off-limits, he said.
“It is not going to be worth it to break Korean law or violate the standards of the KSTA,” Lawhorn said.
Recent health inspections of Area I nightclub workers were the same as those carried out at all South Korean nightclubs and were done by Gyeonggi Province officials with military personnel present, Lawhorn said.
The health exams, which foreign entertainers must complete every three months, include a biannual AIDS test. Tests for other sexually transmitted diseases are optional, Lawhorn said.
Father Glen Jarron of the Filipino Catholic Center in Seoul said the Army’s health checks were of less concern than the South Korean government’s requirement that entertainers undergo AIDS tests. Jarron has worked extensively with Filipinos trafficked to South Korea.
“Why should they require entertainers to have an AIDS test and not require ordinary factory workers? That is tantamount to saying that the girls are not really going into that kind of work,” he said.
The real problem was not health checks or AIDS tests, he added.
“It is about ending the idea that they [Filipina nightclub workers] are still being used by American GIs or other foreigners,” he said.
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11-29-04 04:08 #1949
Posts: 30I've asked this before but nobody responded. I've been wanting to try out the new Hamilton Hotel 'Foreigner Only' Sports Massage at the front of the hotel, has anyone been? There were always good reports about the old one downstairs, but I never went. I've never enjoyed the sports massage but really want to try it out now. Could the Hamilton be the best choice for a handsome Englishman to dip his toe in the sports massage world?
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11-28-04 16:24 #1948
Posts: 4Miari
Hi Guys,
I'll be off to Seoul this coming tuesday and would like to pay a visit to the famous Miari..
Been following the posts by fellow mongers of the crackdown on prostitution in September.. Is Miari affected? I'm sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I'm asking cos I'm under the impression that maybe Miari is one of the 'legalised' RLDs in the country - much like Geylang of Singapore.
Would appreciate any info at all.. Or any other recommemdations..
I'll be staying at the Millenium Seoul Hilton in the namdemun area till thursday.. Any action near where i am?
Thanx in advance bros... i'll be sure to post my FRs this visit (if any.. ;>)
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11-28-04 05:08 #1947
Posts: 1Room Service?
I'm in Seoul Sunday the 27th for tonight only. I'd like to clean the pipes but prefer girls who come to me. Is this service available in Seoul? I'm staying at the Hamilton Hotel in Itaewon. Send me a private message if anyone wants to go mongering tonight!
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11-27-04 23:27 #1946
Posts: 22Mongering in SNU Area, Pt II
Yes, I know this is not the most exciting of posts, but not much going on with this board lately due to the crackdown, so:
Love Hotels: Lots of these, maybe 30 or so, all going about 30,000 to 40,000 a night, and you can usually get a discount for short time (4 hours or so). Around these hotels it is pretty easy to find those little advertising cards for the outcall services, which are all pretty much the same: 150,000 for one hour of service (usually including a weak-ass massage), girls are usually decent (6-8), CBJ or BBBJ depends on the girl (many of them are independent operators), and mechanical sex. Once in a while you can find a hottie who provides good service, and then can usually strike up a more long-term deal, but you may have to sort through a lot of mediocre experiences before you find one.
Starbucks, WaBa, etc.: western coffee shops and bars are great places to find regular girls (not professionals), but you have to accept the fact you are going to get rejected 90% of the time, and the remaining 10% may not lead to sex right away. The Japanese-style rampan or whatever they call it is definitely not alive and well in Korea. The SNU area has lots of college students (not just the SNU snobs who go home to mom and dad every night), girls with part time jobs or using one of the study hotels in the area. Best bet is to offer to help them with English practice to get to know them better, but don't use this as your pickup line since I think lots of them have heard it before (I speak from experience). It may take you days or weeks to get them into bed, but hey, it's free. Of course the downside is you might find yourself with a girlfriend and the 20 text messages a day that come along with her.
Okay enough of my crap for now, anyone wants advice about particular places PM me.
Red
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11-27-04 10:25 #1945
Posts: 22Mongering in Seoul National Univ. Area
The area between the SNU subway stop and the Naksungdae stop is full of room salons, Dalan Jujum (noraebangs where girls are provided), love hotels, and the occasional barber shop and sports massage. Prices do not seem to be much cheaper than the rest of Seoul, but I saw zero police presence (Korean or US military) on a Friday night. However, I think you probably need to speak at lease passable Korean or go with a Korean friend to get by. I'm a Westerner, and didn't encounter any problems or rejection, but I also speak half-decent Korean, so that might have helped. It certainly helped some of the girls I met warm up to me.
The room salons are pretty explicit about what's included if you just ask, the raunchier ones that include full nude strip show and potentially sex in the room (depends on girls, establishment, etc.) run about 350,000 won per person including drinks, room, etc. they will generally provide service for one person, but I have not partaken yet. If anyone would like to partner up and explore one of these places, send me a PM.
Next are the Dalan Jujums, or Noraebangs with girls. The girls in these places usually run about 70,000 per hour, but all you get for that is some snuggling in the room and grab-ass (just as often her grabbing your ass). This can be fun, but as they say, there is no sex in the champagne room. Many of the girls make themselves available outside the bar for sex, but this is usually an individually-negotiated thing (I had one invite me roller-blading the other night, so I guess it's possible to meet girls for longer-term relationships this way too). This is a great way to get a big woody before heading to a massage place for relief, but not very cost effective, since drinks and the room can easily set you back 50,000 won and more per hour.
Continued in part 2.