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[Yellow Fever]

This is old news but when I was a GI there in 86/87 we were told that if a girl tested positive for HIV she was sent to an Island which is a leper colony off the coast between North and South Korea. Back then Clap and Herpes were the big thing being spread.

[MrGhostRider]

Bottom line guys:

ALWAYS USE A JIMMY

I've been to all of the RLD's (588, miari, etc.) and have at one point or another been offered - even insisted - bare back FS at all the places ... this always scares the bejeezus out of me.

Mr Dance Air makes a good point about the lag time. Remember if I had taken any of these girls up on their offer (of course I never would) and say I had any kind of infection - then by logic they would be vulnerable to infection as well. And in that scenario, imagine the number of guys she would have passed that to before she is ID'd in the system (if ever).

Testing may weed out a number of them - but you never know who is incubating what and when - do you really want to be unlucky number 13?

Plus that new UN AIDS report on the massive rise of HIV cases in Asia (China in particular) is very very sobering indeed.

The reason why China is relevant to Korea is that China is now one of the number one mongering destinations for Korean local guys (including BKK which is on the rise as well) - its close, relatively cheap, etc. More to the point, they are in many cases used to the "no jimmy" method of mongering like back at home. I'm betting that any significant rise in infectious diseases, STDs in Korea is directly related to these dumb-asses who come back to the homeland and then start spreading it via their "no jimmy" method.

Sobering thoughts, but one I felt compelled to share.

Safe hunting gents

[Mr Dance Air]

Byung,

Thanks for the information. Good to know. Was concerned because some overseas Korean buddies of mine have gone BB when they went to Miari. Stupid, but they got caught up in the moment. Out of curiosity, where did you get the info on Miari's testing policy? Did you learn it from your aunt or one of the Miari girls? Are you pretty sure the info is credible? If the girls really do get blood tested every month, I guess that is probably as good as it can be. AIDs takes 3 months to show up through an antibody test so monthly tests should be good for tracking when the virus has high dangerous levels for infection, although the risk is still high even with monthly tests. Also, what does the health police (are they cops?) do to the girls if they have a disease? Do they actually quarantine them, or just kick them out of Miari? Curious how the Korean government deals with that.

[Byung]

Mr Dance Air,

In Miari, the girls get tested once a week. However, it's more of a "visual" test. Physical examinations, I guess. Then, once a month, the girls get a blood test, to check for AIDS and whatnot.

In the event a girl is found with an uncureable disease, the "health police" will come and take the girl away, and not allow her to work there any longer.

Yes, you can bang these girls without condoms. Or at least the Koreans can. However, it's not something I do. I always use a condom. Always. God forbid I catch something and accidentally pass it onto a girlfriend or whatever.

Oh, and another thing, you can actually bang the girls at 588 without condoms either. Girls on the main road, even the hot ones, have told me they'd let me do them without a condom, so that they could lure me in. Some of my crazy Korean friends have gone for it. They really should test themselves, but I guess they feel fine.

[Ho Man]

I forgot to mention the mileage card that FRIENDS now has (although I may have mentioned in an earlier post).

Basically, every ninth service is FREE, provided you get your card stamped each time you go. This reduces the unit cost from 60,000Won to 53,333 Won.

It's not for everyone - but I like it!

[Voltron]

First time post. Thanks to all the info here, I decided to check out Pinkle in Yeoksam.

Here's my report:

It's 100,000won, add 5,000 ifyou pay by card.

The girls there werent that great. Ajumma there to take your cash, and didn't see anyone else. It was Friday night, midnight. I was expecting some real hotties as mentioned in the other reports. maybe they were 'busy' or off? but i didn't hear/see anyone else.

I had to wait around a while and got some cucumber massage on my face during the wait. plus some peach ice tea. then the girl came in to take me to the shower.

She was nice. they were all nice. body - a bit of a belly, nice tits, ok face. She wasn't ugly at all, just not as hot as I expected. My friend that went got an older woman, maybe mid 30's? Wasn't too happy with her, or was she just prepping him for the other girl?

Anyway, shower go in, and get the rub down. less then average shoulder/back massage. she flips me over and off go my shorts. Then some lotion/liquid on me and her tits and there goes the the booby massage. nice feeling since she had something to do it with. then she starts kissing me up n down. up oneside and down the other. sucking on my toes! so think about that nex time you think about kissing, hahah.

Then she gives me a BBBJ. very good. but not for a long time. She bust on a rubber (have you seen them? kept in foil, which causes me to suspect they're reused? yuck! watch that they carefully take the spent one, with the wrapper) and jumps on top. Go at that for a while, then she asks to do doggy (this is one to get guys off, or hurry) but I'm fine at doing that, so she asks to flip again, me on top. I just kept going and was smiling cuz I knew I wasn't close. Anyway, TMI didn't ask her name, but her tits look great when she's lying down. Cum, she says shower off, and she gives a few more licks.

No tip. No need to. I liked the place, but as I said, not exactly as I expected. I'll have to try again to see where the babes are at. But it is friendly service and worth it. If you go at night, you can sleep there, although on the massage table.

For those into other massage places. some anma, or massage shops just give you a hj at the end. I dont know where, heard of one in kwanghwamun. I think they just ask if you get a woody 'would you like to be relieved". So look for those.

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[Ho Man]

Photoman

IMHO everything about In & Out has deteriorated. In the past, there were girls who would give quite a bit up: Jeong-ah and Cherry were always good for some DATY, at the very least. Hyun-jung gave me a blowjob the second time I saw her...but these girls are gone. In their places are: Yoo-jeong (who is now the manager's girlfriend and, as such unjlikely to give up anything more than the most perfunctory of services), Joo-song (or Soo-jong) a real estate student, who delays the start of the handjob until the last possible moment and then tries to squeeze and extra session (another 60,000 Won) from you. When you refuse, the HJ becomes extremely rushed. Then there is Ji-hee (aka Oh-rang). Now, Hyun-jung, in a private moment, confessed to me that Oh-rang is, in reality, a 2nd year High school student - which makes her 18 in Korea and 16 or 17 in real life (ILLEGAL). The boss insists she is 21 - but is he REALLY going to tell you he has a 17 year old on the premises? She gave me her phone number and I rang her a couple of times in the early afternoon - and would swear I heard the sounds of high school girls in the background.

The worst thing about In & Out is definitely that the session times have been reduced from 55 minutes to 45 minutes, so everything is more rushed - unless you pay 120,000W. Far better to go somewhere like FRIENDS (Soongsil University Stop, exit 2) where 60,000 buys an hour - or 70 minutes if the place is not busy. The girls there have been given very clear instructions to be foreigner friendly at all times - AND THEY ARE.

[Mr Dance Air]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the "health policy" is at Miari and other RLDs? I'm curious if anyone has talked to a madam or the girls about this subject. I've been told Miari is the only RLD where there is service without a condom if the customer wants it. Is that true? Do they only do this for Koreans and Japanese, or does it include white foreigners? If Miari does have some kind of self testing policy, do the brothels regularly test these girls for AIDs and other STDs? How often? Just curious, the Big H report sort of freaked me out.

[Carrick]

Sorry about the confusion. I should have been more specific. The Big H = Herpes.

[Byung]

To add-on to what Nedski said:

...or Herpes?

BTW, I've been doing a lot of thinking about my situation with this working gal. I met her yesterday and she was originally going to quit next year, but seems like she's really disliking the business. Lots of "in-house" drama. She says if it gets worse, she'll just leave sometime this year.

Until then, I'll just think of it as "friends". She told me it could be "normal" after she leaves; however, she did mention she wouldn't know what to do for money. She doesn't want to be making 3,000 won/hour working at some restaurant, clothing store, etc. when she's currently making 5,000,000+/month.

Yup, lots to think about.

[Photoman]

KDOC -- The Itaewon BBS I've talked about is across the street from the Hamilton. Walk from the subway portal toward the Subway (I think) sandwich shop. Go down about three flights of stairs, or look for the public loo and enter from the outside entrance on the back street.

Went there Saturday. First I stopped by In and Out, and it was closed at 4 in the afternoon. When I went to the Itaewon BBS, another woman came out. Not great, but not dead ugly. I asked about Ms. Kim. Since my Korean is not good, I think she said Ms. Kim was off, or didn't work there anymore.

As I was getting my massage, some little hottie came in. Younger, skinny and much better looking. She didn't have the standard BBS garb -- she had street clothes on. She comes into my cubicle, and starts playing with the meat. I'm thinking here is a chance at a double banger. Then the phone rings.

After a long conversation she comes in to get the towels, and then plays with my bare ass and grabs my dick a couple of times. I tried to play with her tits, but no luck. She then leaves me to the regular gal who hangs up the rubber curtains.

She let me pull her panties off and have a lick, but not for long. She acts like she is going to climb on bareback, and I said "condom." She said no problem. Yeah, no problem. I insist so she gets a condom.

Don't think it really was penatration. This gals are so good. I think I got the ol' hand job disguised as a little in-and-out service.

Best part was when a couple foreigners walked in and asked what was the price. The young woman ran everything off like a menu. HJ, BJ, FS, whatever you like. 60,000 starting price for massage with HJ. The guys didn't have any money so left. A bit of advice: Don't go asking unless you have the money to play. Or, it could have been some undercover sting operation. At any rate, the the younger woman was shy about quoting available services.

Her English was pretty good. I asked if she was the owner, and she said yes. She is worth checking on again, but I do miss the big nipples of Miss Kim.

Is it worth going to In and Out, or it just too much a pain in the butt? Try the six-pole BS at Sadang. One of my better experiences.

[Hades]

The big H? Does that mean Hepatitis C or HIV?

[Carrick]

I have enjoyed your posts, Byung. I wanted to let you know that I did the fall-for-a-working-girl routine when I was in Central America one time. She was everything I ever wanted in a woman…except that one “little” thing. I finally came to my senses after considering the psychology of a working girl. Believe me when I say that I am not judging these gals, God love ‘em: where would they be without people like me!? Likewise, I am not casting stones in your direction either. My point is this (IMHO): here is a population of females who treat their body as if it were a taxicab, providing rides to any john that has the fare. Don’t give credence to the possibility that this is a passing fancy. In most cases, there is a deep-seated neurotic tendency at work—developed long before you met her, and you are most likely never going to “reach” her. This said, enjoy, but take martial steps.

[Carrick]

I haven't posted for a good bit following an experience from hell. I introduced a good buddy to Miari late 2003. I warned him that he should not FS bareback. He didn't listen; he had read the posts at this forum and got complacent. He contracted the Big H. Then, to add insult to injury, he inadvertently (not realizing that he has contracted an STD) gave it to his Korean girlfriend. He was so bummed (he'll have his whole life to get over it), and I was bummed for him, saying nothing of what an STD does to a female in this culture (socially speaking). I did my part in warning him. Gents, don't believe for a second that these ladies are all disease free, and there are no brands or tattoos to warn you.

I read back to my last post, and I saw at least one request for information concerning inexpensive accommodations in Korea for a long visits (where one's business place would not pay for a hotel, etc.). Westerners are welcome guests at 'ko shi won'(s), and they are everywhere in Seoul. These one-room, community-bathroom residentials have traditionally been used by salarymen and students studying for exams (particularly law school exams). The cost for a 'ko shi won' is anywhere from 150,000-300,000won/month (YMMV). Finding a 'ko shi won' can be tricky if you don't read Korean. Ask a Korean/bi-lingual friend for help.

Another option is a 'livingtel.' There is a chain of these livingtels called 'Cocolivingtel' (a franchise) in Seoul, and you can find information on the internet at any search engine. The livingtels are a step up from a 'ko shi won.' Most are new. They offer a small room about 7' x 10'. Believe it or not (for the tight space), there is a small bathroom (shower and toilet) which makes up the last three feet of the 10'. There is a bed, a TV with cable, a frig, a closet for clothes, a desk, and shelves; it's airconditioned and has free laundry service. Another great advantage above ko shi wons is that the livingtels have a kitchen which provides (24/7) rice, ramien, kim chi, and eggs. With a little innovation, a person certainly wouldn't starve. The cost for the livingtels is about 550,000won/month (no deposit, no key money) for a room with a bathroom and about 300,000won/month for a room without a bathroom (in which case you must use the community bathroom...again YMMV). I checked out two separate livingtels before posting just to have the wherewithall to say firsthand that they are small rooms, but the are very nice places to stay if you are looking for a reasonable long term stay alternative (works out to about 18,000won/day for a month-to-month stay). The individual room's door locks and the outside door is locked (with coded entry) after around 12am. Of course, I do not know about bringing girls back to the room, but I don't see why it would be a problem.

I can verify that there are married women out and about looking for action. I met a beautiful Korean woman (looks 8, body 10+, age 35) at E-Mart of all places about a year ago. We hit it off immediately, and we kept in touch over that year by IM and sporadic phone calls. I would always do my part to tease and tempt. She would want to go to dinner, but she was always conserative in public. I was happy to spring for outings just to see where things would lead. She started to become interested in where I lived, etc., and she wanted to see my apartment. She met me for lunch and persistently asked to see my place. So we went. When I shut the door of my apartment behind us, instantly she threw off her sheep's clothing exposing the ravenous wolf underneath. We were in the throes of passion within a few minutes. She giving me a BJ, and she indicated that she wanted to go right for the main event. I went to get a condom, and she insisted that I didn't need one ("I want to feel you cum inside me."). My little general was giving the orders, but I pulled rank and mustered the discipline to grab a condom, remembering "never stick it in without your latex skin." We started missionary, but I had my 21 gun salute doggy style. It was a fun time, and I would never have guessed she was going to come on that strong.

Hobby responsibly.

[Mr Dance Air]

Hey guys,

A buddy of mine told me about his Miari experience last week. He and a buddy picked out two chicks and paid 70,000 won. It was apparently a pretty good experience. It was one of the places on the main row. One of the chicks did a nice show for them - smoked with her pussy, stuck an egg in there and drank some coke using her pussy and stomach muscles. She suggested that he drink from it after she transferred the coke from one glass to another but he declined for obvious reasons... The service was good according to him. Nice BBBJ and licking around the body. Girls started blowing them in the visiting room where they served some drinks. Standard fuck but they were pretty enthusiastic about it so it was supposedly enjoyable.

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