Seoul

[NY Yankees]

Originally posted by seoulman

one last thing IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
and other civalized countries!!!
ITS ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE!!!
ILLEGAL!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
Korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled Decent humans!!!

By your phrase, you are saying there are no discrimination in other countries... Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Korea has it's downsides and I do prefer the States thousand times more but I've seen worse things in NYC than in seoul. Every country has its pros and cons.
Reading all your messages, you seem to take great pleasure in bashing koreans and its culture. I'm fine with positive criticism but your post does nothing but fuel unnecessary controversies. Again, I'm not saying what you wrote doesn't exist but how you said it that's remarkable crude and childish.
Further, your reply to moolman doesn't make any sense. You are missing the point. He is criticizing the foolishness of the women and not being gullible.

[Mookman]

Originally posted by seoulman
JESUS DUDE!!

and you believe this????
since when is Koreas health care system better than that of the west?

ALL KOREAN MEN well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers! These same men who go to THAILAND, PHILIPINES, South East Asia and have sex without condoms and they think we have STDS? hahaahahahhahaha
DO these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us?

Look seoulman,

I never said that non-Koreans have STD's and Koreans don't. I never implied discrimination, I never implied that Koreans were good, Koreans were bad, whatever, can you please, please stop the social commentaries.

All I said was that when I asked a hooker the reasoning behind why she didn't accept foreigners, that's the answer I recieved, I'm just conveying what I heard, not giving a commentary, or my own opinion on things. Like my posts said, the "girls are dumb as nuts". What she told me makes no logical or practical sense to any person but that's what was presented to me and that's what I am reporting because it pertains to the subject of prostitution in South Korea, which is what this forums main topic is.

I never said I agreed with the statements and I make it clear that what I was told sounds stupid. No social commentary intended in any statement.

Yes, I agree with you, let's stick with SEX SEX SEX.

Mool

[Seoulman]

originally posted by moolman
from talking to the girls i've met, the main reason they've told me that they won't serve non-koreans is because of a fear of stds, even with condom use. i think that's kinda understandalbe since if i had to take my chances, i that's what i would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit. some of these girls are dumb as nuts. like i said in my previous post, one girl thought she would get an std because i wanted to use a rubber. since they prefer or don't require a rubber, maybe they think they will get a std from going bb and on top of that some think you can get an std from the condom. seriously, there's a reason why some girls work in this profession.

mool

jesus dude!!

and you believe this????
since when is koreas health care system better than that of the west?
all korean men well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers!!!
these same men who go to thailand, philipines, south east asia and have sex without condoms!!
and they think we have stds? hahaahahahhahaha
do these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us??
jesus chirst!!

i dont want to bash koreans or korea... but i have lived here for 7 years now.. i know a little about korean men and woman!
koreans are hyprocrites!! and embezzling, cheating , takers!!
they hate it when foreigners beat them in anything, they hate it when foreigners sleep with korean girls!!

just look at the stupid events like the winter olympics with the ice speed skating appolo ono.. how childish they acted!!
look how they acted when the military allegedly killed those two girls!
but 30 children are killed daily on the roads here!!
banning foreigners from restaurants, bars etc...
it goes on and on! and yes i know this is not the place to talk about it!! so i will stop!!
one last thing in the united states of america!!
and other civalized countries!!!
its illegal to discriminate!!!
illegal!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled decent humans!!!

dont get me wrong!! i am generalizing.. i love this country and its people!! but these are facts too!!!
p.s this is my last post about koreans in general!
from now on its sex sex sex only!!

[Mookman]

Screw all this political, social, etc. BS happening here, lets get back to the subject at hand, I just got back from the philippines and I will post my FR there but for here I just got back from Young Joo Gol.

As I'm writing this, it's 3am on 7/23, just got back from there and I drove myself, so I will try to give directions, the best I can.

The first thing you are looking for is Camp Stanton, the US Army base, if you figure out where that is, you just found YJG.

Starting from Seoul Station, you know there's like 6 streets that intersect there, you take the most left one, when facing the streets from Seoul Station. Anyway, you are looking for Station 320 Kubabal, from there the road splits, one that keeps going where the subway goes and one that goes toward Paju. When going on the road that the subway runs along, basically, just keep going straight while at Kubabal, the subway will fork to the right road. You stay on this road forever, when you think you went to far, keep going, it's like 30km on this road I think. You pass small bridges, you will come upon a fork in the road kinda, let me explains, first off there is some small stone monument with the Lions Club symbol underneath, hopefully, you guys know what the Lions Club is, it's a L with some fancy design around it, the signs around it will say Paju City Hall, you don't go that way, you can go straight to Paju City Hall but the road on the right lane curves, not a 90 degree turn but a slow right bend. Remember to look for the stone monument with Korean on it, with the Lions Club symbol on the bottom. Ok, now you are on the correct road, from here there are a couple of ways to go but the easiest is, you come upon a bridge, there's an overpass, the first big overpass, like when you are on a freeway and there's a big overpass/road above you. Go underneath the overpass and then make the first possible right turn, you come to a small road, some construction going on, it's a booney road, just keep going until you get to a T in the road, you must go left or right, on the right you will see the Family Mart, you know you are at the right place, next make a Left, you will pass Camp Stanton, salute the the men that protect your freedom, now keep going, you pass a big mountain, keep going over the mountain, when you get to the next big town, keep looking on the left side, you can't miss the lights, if you see another Family Mart, you just passed it, turn around 20 yards and unless you are seriously blind, you won't miss it. It's right before the small bridge.

It was pretty dangerous for me to go there tonight because of the weather, it's pouring like crazy in Seoul right now but this is the only night I'm here so I had to stop by since it's been awhile and I did promise you all directions to the place.

Obviously, the best thing to do, if my directions are sucky is to figure out where Camp Stanton is, from there one road goes toward YJG and the other toward the Family Mart at the T of the road. You're basically between 2 Family Marts at the two towns.

And being that Camp Stanton is like 10 minutes from there and I never seen one American GI, I guess it's known that they don't take foreigners there but when I was there at the back alleys, I said I was looking for my white friend so that this girl would let go of my shirt and I was telling her that he got refused service and I didn't want him to be sad, she told me to bring him after I was done with her, so I don't know if she just said that to make me a customer at the moment but she did offer, the one I did finally get service from said she never takes foreigners and that they don't do that there.

I'm very tired and I will post my experience there in a couple of days of what happened, as well as my philippines expericence so check there too.

Mool

[NY Yankees]

Seoulblade,

Yeah I was also going to stress exactly what you wrote but thought my message was getting long and winded. Let me just add, no country helps another country merely out of sympathy and pity. Everything is business, the foreign countries sure didn't help korea just out of good will. I'm sure those foreign countries benefitted very well finacially too, due to korea's boom. Continental's remark sure sounds like as if the koreans must bow down and hand them the town keys. Like I said before, let's just put our differences aside and enjoy life while it's there.

[Seoul Blade]

Originally posted by TheContinental
With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.

Frankly, I think the statement that you made above is quite delusional; I don't know of any Korean who knows of such 'hypocrisy' you're talking about. Let me see, so in your mind you believe that if a country A helps another country B, B must accept that A has an automatic right to be with B's women? It doesn't exactly work that way, friend. Think about it: If your own motherland country got help from another country, would you readily accept that this country has an automatic right to be with your country's women? This is common sense, man. Geez, put yourself in the Koreans' shoes for once. Economy and the social world are two different things. I may be a foreigner but I know the difference between privilege and preference / choice. Yes, the Koreans may have gotten help from outside countries, but let's be real, please--we don't get automatic privilege in that way.

And I do agree with what NY Yankees said, you do seem to tend to bash Korean men every chance you get in your posts. Any personal feelings you have against the Korean guys?

[Zarkoff]

Originally posted by New World Order
Greetings jimhard69

To get to Finkle:

There is a Starbucks at the Yeoksam station area and it faces the main road (Tae-hang-ro). The main entrance of Starbucks is facing towards a small alley (and not the main road).

Stand in front of the main entrance. You will see two small alleys. Go to the alley that is on the left. Enter the alley and walk (for about 20 meters) until you see another alley on your left.

Walk and on your right, you will see a glass door and a barbor pole of each side. The sign will read "ÇÎŬ" in white letters on a pink background. If you open the glass door, you will see a red-colored stairway down. Go downstairs and you will see the mamasan eating a f*ckin banana and one of the working girls sucking on an ice cream. LOL

Tell them that a Korean-American from Chicago introduced you to that place.

Itaewon, one club I went to was Hollywood. A lot of sl*tty Korean girls go there to meet foreign men. I lie to the girls that I am half Japanese. LOL

Good luck~~~

Sincerely,

New World Order

Well, after more positive than negative about Finkle or Pinkle or whatever, decided to try it out. Directions weren't too bad but here is a few corrections or differences I found. Take the alley from Starbucks as described (left alley), then take the first alley to the right. Finkle is on the left. I walked around several streets and alley's to make sure I had the right place (only one with a pink sign with white letters, red carpet at the enterance).

I specifically asked for Star. Not a lot of English being thrown around but she met the descriptions previously posted here so I think it was her.

Everything also as described up until you get to the "action" after the shower. All she could do was whine how big I was and she couldn't take me. Hey, I'm just a regular guy and all I really wanted was a bj, but even that wasn't going to happen.

I should have adiosed right then and asked for some of my $100 back, but then I got stupid and figured there wasn't going to be any shooting for a while because she'd totally ruined the event with all the things she "couldn't do", so I decided to make her stroke long and hard for her money.

Any, if she's hit and miss, depending on the mood, I would recommend you go somewhere else (like Amsterdam - what a great time I had there a couple of days ago)!

Cheers!

[NY Yankees]

Originally posted by TheContinental

With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.
Also, anyone on here who thinks they are posting for the "benefit" of non-Koreans is sadly mistaken. This board is not a pre-req for finding pros in Seoul. It is an information exchange.

Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way and do pinpoint it if I'm wrong(we always have to assume the writer's tone in written forms) but I feel like you are singling me out with unfair criticism.
I sure am not posting my FRs and infos for the benefits of non-koreans and I'm pretty sure nobody actually post infos with such intentions be it koreans or non. Like you said, this forum is nothing more than an information exchange center. Maybe you didn't like the term "benefit" but that is exactly what this is all about. If the informations weren't beneficial, no one would come around to WSG. I know I have benefitted greatly from other people's information and I don't think there's anything wrong with that(just as long as I give back to the community).
Seriously, this forum has become a political forum of late and I really don't know why you have to bring about your criticism of korean society at every chance that you get. I think it is hypocritical of you to bash korean society at every corner and then wanting to sleep with korean women. Make up your mind bro!! Frankly I do hope you'll chose the later and don't worry too much about the former. I hope you are not offended in anyway, I was trying to be positive.

[TheContinental]

Originally posted by New World Order
Greetings~~~

I'm stuck and bored in Minnesota so I called up an escort to my hotel. She arrvies an hour later and wanted $300 for everything!!! I told her to leave. She then told me that there is a $40 fee for her coming all the way here. So I gave her the $40.

I miss Korea.....

$300? I would say that is the going rate. Some escorts in the US will say $180-200 "full-service." But, "for everything" you have to start upping the anti by $25 increments.

[TheContinental]

Originally posted by jimhart69
Ottoman,

What will help you with all the girls in Korea, is learn Korean and also the culture. If you know the laugage and the culture, you accept by the girls. And you will find girls wanting to talk to you. I have been in many Korean only clubs and bars and had great luck with the girl, both pro and non-pro. I am a average looking white American, not thing special. If you just have fun with girls, and the they enjoy talking with you, you will find the girls line up.

Korea is great! Today, the girls are allot more open with the foreigner than 20 years ago. 20 years ago, if a girl was seen in public with a foreigner, this made her a pro in the eyes of the Korean people. Not today!

To start you down this road and learn what the girls like. Hang out at place that foreigner are accepted and talk to the girls; like the Hard Rock, TGI Fridays, Inter-Continental Hotel Club, etc. Start talking to the non-pro girls and it will help you with the pro's and the non-pros. Good luck!

Excellent advice, I never thought about heading to the HR at all. I guess it is in Apguchong?

I will also agree that learning the langauge and appreciating the culture is the KEY that opens the door to meeting girls.

With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.

Also, anyone on here who thinks they are posting for the "benefit" of non-Koreans is sadly mistaken. This board is not a pre-req for finding pros in Seoul. It is an information exchange.

Speaking of which, I have heard much talk about picking up girls in Hongdae. Any stories about that?

[Tonyacs]

JimHart: Good post. I don't disagree with anything you said. I have lived in Korea for the past 5 years. But I also lived here before the 88 Olympics and I was extremely spoiled by those days when it was too easy to meet girls. But I guess I am older now and only ajummas chase me. But it sures beats the U.S. where there isn't the same quality of massage places and all...

[Ottoman]

jimhart69

Thanks for the advice. it's always nice to hear an opinion from an expert.

[Baby Huey]

Ottoman,

You are some what correct on the working girls in Korea. But I can tell you, after living in Korea for ten year and now traveling to Korea multiple times a year for another 10 years on business, that is not completely true.

What will help you with all the girls in Korea, is learn Korean and also the culture. If you know the laugage and the culture, you accept by the girls. And you will find girls wanting to talk to you. I have been in many Korean only clubs and bars and had great luck with the girl, both pro and non-pro. I am a average looking white American, not thing special. If you just have fun with girls, and the they enjoy talking with you, you will find the girls line up.

Korea is great! Today, the girls are allot more open with the foreigner than 20 years ago. 20 years ago, if a girl was seen in public with a foreigner, this made her a pro in the eyes of the Korean people. Not today!

To start you down this road and learn what the girls like. Hang out at place that foreigner are accepted and talk to the girls; like the Hard Rock, TGI Fridays, Inter-Continental Hotel Club, etc. Start talking to the non-pro girls and it will help you with the pro's and the non-pros. Good luck!

[New World Order]

Greetings~~~

Most of the working girls are working because they need to pay off debt such as credit card debt, housing, family debt, etc.

Also, most of them have no special skills which are required in today's world--computer skills, English, etc.

I'm stuck and bored in Minnesota so I called up an escort to my hotel. She arrvies an hour later and wanted $300 for everything!!! I told her to leave. She then told me that there is a $40 fee for her coming all the way here. So I gave her the $40.

I miss Korea.....

[Ottoman]

OK, here's what I think. BTW I am a guy from SE Asian nation living in Korea for two years.

Korean working girls don't want to do it with foreigners because they don't want to be labeled as a 'non-Korean server' by their co-workers or the people around them.

Serving foreigners means she is either too ugly or too old to have enough Korean customers. What they fear the most is being gossipped by the women around them actually.

When I had Korean girlfriend, what bothered me the most were her friends who constantly asked her to break up with me. And also the ajummas were the ones who gave us dirty looks.

In my opion, as long as the girl is NOT cute, Korean men don't give a shit whether she does it with a pig.

Why do you guys think you have never seen a really cute Korean girl hanging out with a foreigner?