Taipei

[Knobbyxx]

Hey everyone. Due to Covid restrictions its been a few years since I have been to TW. But, I'm heading over this month, finally! And I can't wait.

A friend over there has told me that a lot has changed though. The free-bees of old seem to have dried up. Its much harder to find now. And, now that Carnegies is gone, what is the new "pick up" place for Pros? Or Non-pros. Thanks!

[Amazake]

Agreed. The girl seemed nice and friendly, however as soon as she started you know she is going to rush. Barely doing any massaging and just randomly touching your back.

Luckily there are many others to pick from.

Yes, good points.

I always avoid spas that look like glorified brothels. You get cheated in them in so many ways. She usually has no massage skills, they cheat you time, and they do the perfunctory hand slide wand motion on your back, ask you to turn over, and brutally, savagely torture your junior member until he coughs up his essence. And total price tag is usually over 2000 NT for that debacle.

Far better to find a bonafide legit massage parlor with possible privileges, with a probably less attractive girl that knows her skill well, nurtures your body with a healing massage, and finds it in her heart to finish you off for a fair tip.

Don't we deserve that?

It is possible since a purely legit massage in Taiwan usually goes untipped. I mean the girls are usually flabbergasted when I tip on legit massage. So, a 500 NT stipend for a nice tender kind release, on a great 1200 NT, 90 to 120 minute massage, for a grand total of 1700 NT is a great deal for service and soothing on so many levels.

And, it is totally possible to get all your time on legit massage, plus special attention because you pay up front for your time to the boss, and if you leave early before your allotted time was completed, she knows the girl whacked you early, and you left. The boss in a legit place frowns on that type of behavior from her girls. She will be reprimanded and could lose her job.

But, we must show restraint, and not show our sexual gratification desire until the near end of the allotted massage time. It is like game management in this last Super Bowl. You wind down the clock to the last seconds with your legit massage before you ask her to attempt the field goal.

One time I went to a place for a 2 hour oil massage. I got horny way too early during a good massage, but she was splashing oil and kneading way too close to the boys, and I was starting to paw at her way too early, and she finished me, and I was out in an hour, not two hours and I wanted to pay the hour rate and not the agreed to 2 hour rate, and the owner was furious at myself and the girl because she knew the girl got tipped well, and the house lost money.

[AsiaFever]

I went to that spa a while back, intrigued by the name. The girl was in fact Cambodian, or she lied. Who knows? I don't remember details except that the girl was a tad plump, as they say "pleasantly plump" but warm-hearted. I left contented.

Sometimes it is just luck of the draw, and more importantly, do you match well together?

These days, if I am turned off by what the mamasan wants to unload on me, I have no problem bolting for the door. Oftentimes, the mamasan relents and shows me what is behind door number two, the stunner she was saving for her good customer.

If not, I will mosey on down to the next spa, because often they appear in clusters, until I find a spa that is willing to give me what I am paying for.

"The Customer Is Always Right!

Agreed. The girl seemed nice and friendly, however as soon as she started you know she is going to rush. Barely doing any massaging and just randomly touching your back.

Luckily there are many others to pick from.

[AbcGators]

Hi all,

So amazing to find this forum here. I'm a longtime poster on the USA site. Now based in Asia for the foreseeable future. Any basic overview or words of wisdom for a Taiwan newbie? I have friends who are well versed in the KTV experience, but their norm is to drop NT 25 k-35 k for a full evening GFE. I'm much more interested in 30-60 minutes for a fraction of the cost, but would like to maintain a similar safety / security level that the higher price tag seems to offer. Anyway, point is, I know nothing about the scene here besides the high-priced KTV outcalls.

Thanks in advance.

Met a very friendly and accommodating young lady in the XiChang Market. For some reason, I avoided the Diamond Building / Kangding area today. Looked like a lot of commotion, and I didn't want to get frazzled.

Anyway, this girl was just simplicity personified, in a good way. About maybe 30, Vietnamese, tiny, cute enough. 1. 5. No hassle, all smiles, diligent. Skipped the BJ because her enthusiasm and cuteness got me up fast. Overlubed, but that is okay.

Wonderfully, she was so petite and pliable, like a Gumby Doll. Really amazing how she flowed with no resistance. Super accommodating, warm, friendly, cooperative, and appreciative. However, she was not very tight downstairs. Surely was a mother. But, she made up for it. I was allowed to have her my way, and she just danced with me, completely submissively. She said she was busy.

Odd thing, she was just dressed in common ordinary street clothes, and wasn't adorned with makeup or glitz, or showing skin. Looked like a pedestrian. But, she was standing in the zone, so I approached her. Glad I did. No rush. She was so happy I picked her. Good mutual exchange..

Nice writeup. Where do you go in this type of situation? You meet, discuss, and then you all went where?

[Amazake]

Went to Cambodia Spa, it's by Raohe market. Yellow door and a big blue sign with Cambodia outside.

Waste of time, lady seemed like she was doing a Speedrun to get you out of there.

I went to that spa a while back, intrigued by the name. The girl was in fact Cambodian, or she lied. Who knows? I don't remember details except that the girl was a tad plump, as they say "pleasantly plump" but warm-hearted. I left contented.

Sometimes it is just luck of the draw, and more importantly, do you match well together?

These days, if I am turned off by what the mamasan wants to unload on me, I have no problem bolting for the door. Oftentimes, the mamasan relents and shows me what is behind door number two, the stunner she was saving for her good customer.

If not, I will mosey on down to the next spa, because often they appear in clusters, until I find a spa that is willing to give me what I am paying for.

"The Customer Is Always Right!

[AsiaFever]

Went to Cambodia Spa, it's by Raohe market. Yellow door and a big blue sign with Cambodia outside.

Waste of time, lady seemed like she was doing a Speedrun to get you out of there.

[Amazake]

Good for you man! Hopefully I can find her too. When you say zone in the market, was she on the main Xichang road or the small alleys? Would little bit of broken Chinese do or did she speak English?

Yes, there is all that sort of flea market activity in the center of the street. And, in front of the stores, close to the alleyways, the ladies like to congregate. There are ladies on both sides of the street.

Honestly speaking, by far the better looking girls are in the Diamond Building alleys. But, as I stated, there was crowded commotion there that I viewed from Guilin, and I didn't want to walk into it. She was Vietnamese with no English and I am a foreigner with limited Mandarin. She also had limited Mandarin. Aside from agreeing on price, nothing else was spoken and it was all physical.

In the future, I will insist on my own condom. Her's did not fit well, too small or maybe the lube interfered. But it was unstable. I prefer my own premium quality, respected name brand, to avoid worry. So, be careful in that respect.

[Analyzer123]

Met a very friendly and accommodating young lady in the XiChang Market. For some reason, I avoided the Diamond Building / Kangding area today. Looked like a lot of commotion, and I didn't want to get frazzled.

Anyway, this girl was just simplicity personified, in a good way. About maybe 30, Vietnamese, tiny, cute enough. 1. 5. No hassle, all smiles, diligent. Skipped the BJ because her enthusiasm and cuteness got me up fast. Overlubed, but that is okay.

Wonderfully, she was so petite and pliable, like a Gumby Doll. Really amazing how she flowed with no resistance. Super accommodating, warm, friendly, cooperative, and appreciative. However, she was not very tight downstairs. Surely was a mother. But, she made up for it. I was allowed to have her my way, and she just danced with me, completely submissively. She said she was busy.

Odd thing, she was just dressed in common ordinary street clothes, and wasn't adorned with makeup or glitz, or showing skin. Looked like a pedestrian. But, she was standing in the zone, so I approached her. Glad I did. No rush. She was so happy I picked her. Good mutual exchange.

Upon leaving, I felt happy, refreshed and uplifted.

Good for you man! Hopefully I can find her too. When you say zone in the market, was she on the main Xichang road or the small alleys? Would little bit of broken Chinese do or did she speak English?

[Amazake]

Met a very friendly and accommodating young lady in the XiChang Market. For some reason, I avoided the Diamond Building / Kangding area today. Looked like a lot of commotion, and I didn't want to get frazzled.

Anyway, this girl was just simplicity personified, in a good way. About maybe 30, Vietnamese, tiny, cute enough. 1. 5. No hassle, all smiles, diligent. Skipped the BJ because her enthusiasm and cuteness got me up fast. Overlubed, but that is okay.

Wonderfully, she was so petite and pliable, like a Gumby Doll. Really amazing how she flowed with no resistance. Super accommodating, warm, friendly, cooperative, and appreciative. However, she was not very tight downstairs. Surely was a mother. But, she made up for it. I was allowed to have her my way, and she just danced with me, completely submissively. She said she was busy.

Odd thing, she was just dressed in common ordinary street clothes, and wasn't adorned with makeup or glitz, or showing skin. Looked like a pedestrian. But, she was standing in the zone, so I approached her. Glad I did. No rush. She was so happy I picked her. Good mutual exchange.

Upon leaving, I felt happy, refreshed and uplifted.

[AsiaFever]

Any tips here? I could use help in this area. I have been to several massage parlors (not necessarily advertised as Thai), and with closed doors (not curtain) private room, for full body oil massage. But I have never been offered anything more than the massage. I purposely avoid the commonly mentioned ones in hopes of finding a less investigation prone shop with a Taiwanese lady. I am not looking for anything past a HJ.

Am I missing a signal from the masseuse? A question that has a hidden meaning? Or am I just always going to 100% legit parlors? (I am just searching by high rating and reviews in typical search engine). I purposely try to avoid tenting an erection (I've come close but try not to). Typically I have good conversations with the masseuse (I am ABC so my Chinese isn't amazing but it's enough for regular conversation).

Do I need to start giving in during the massages and start sporting an erection when flipped over?

It's a hit and miss. Some places look like they might offer extras, and others don't. Certain areas are just known for it, like the massive amount of parlous near the Rahou market.

The smaller ones in the middle of nowhere, well, 50% chance.

[Amazake]

Any tips here? I could use help in this area. I have been to several massage parlors (not necessarily advertised as Thai), and with closed doors (not curtain) private room, for full body oil massage. But I have never been offered anything more than the massage. I purposely avoid the commonly mentioned ones in hopes of finding a less investigation prone shop with a Taiwanese lady. I am not looking for anything past a HJ.

Am I missing a signal from the masseuse? A question that has a hidden meaning? Or am I just always going to 100% legit parlors? (I am just searching by high rating and reviews in typical search engine). I purposely try to avoid tenting an erection (I've come close but try not to). Typically I have good conversations with the masseuse (I am ABC so my Chinese isn't amazing but it's enough for regular conversation).

Do I need to start giving in during the massages and start sporting an erection when flipped over?

Thank you; you really inherently answered your own question.

In a less than certified by reputation 100% legit spa, run by a mamasan / general, a tent or a request for a HJ is usually accommodated, depending on the playfulness of the lady.

The spas that mostly accommodate women, for their 3 hour beauty treatment are less likely.

All I can say, is that it is half the adventure, to find girls that will accommodate. In the same spa, some will and some won't. So, you must investigate.

And, although asking and being denied might be a little embarrassing, so what? You might have to make your needs known. She can't make the first move. That will label her.

The other day, I warmly touched her as she was massaging my thigh. I urged her. If she did not want to, she could just shake her head.

I mean, you are not a brute. You could almost half-heartedly investigate and let her decide.

You probably won't be banned from the spa, if you love it for good legit, by making a friendly request. And, your needs being known, she might do it next time.

And, almost assuredly, this is not her first rodeo, and she knows how to handle it.

[TigerLol]

Most Thai spas have some activity. For myself, almost any closed room massage room with a girl has possibilities. I mean, if you tent an erection, she will almost always address the elephant in the room.

Any tips here? I could use help in this area. I have been to several massage parlors (not necessarily advertised as Thai), and with closed doors (not curtain) private room, for full body oil massage. But I have never been offered anything more than the massage. I purposely avoid the commonly mentioned ones in hopes of finding a less investigation prone shop with a Taiwanese lady. I am not looking for anything past a HJ.

Am I missing a signal from the masseuse? A question that has a hidden meaning? Or am I just always going to 100% legit parlors? (I am just searching by high rating and reviews in typical search engine). I purposely try to avoid tenting an erection (I've come close but try not to). Typically I have good conversations with the masseuse (I am ABC so my Chinese isn't amazing but it's enough for regular conversation).

Do I need to start giving in during the massages and start sporting an erection when flipped over?

[Amazake]

That's good to know about the leniency. I just wonder if they would treat foreigners (whether on tourist visa or work permit) with the same leniency as a Taiwanese who they couldn't deport.

I also worry about something being on my permanent record here, however minor it may be. It would be hard to explain to significant others / family members if found out.

When I asked my LINE agent what happens when caught, he said it's usually just a 1 k TWD fine for Taiwanese. But he was not sure what happens to foreigner customers who are caught.

In both cases that I mentioned, the deportation, and the theft / run / capture, they were both non-Taiwanese.

But, as far as a record and report of incident, I can't see that ever "NOT" being permanently attached to one's record, even if not guilty and no fine was imposed. That is just the proper way of maintaining a history. It must at least be recorded as a footnote.

In the world we live in, and especially in Taiwan, every movement is recorded. We just take risks in this thing that we do. That is just the way it is. Fortunately, getting laid is not an egregious, unforgivable offense. Nobody was hurt or harmed in our exchange. Money was contributed to the economy. Hey, for all we know, even the act itself, behind closed doors is quite possibly recorded by somebody, for some purpose.

There is never a moment when I travel in and around the "known hot spots," and eye the ladies, that I am not fully aware to be on my best behavior and appear gentlemanly, because a "movie-of-my-life" in that moment is being created.

Even your MRT / Bus / Bike, Easy-Card creates a permanent record of your travels. There is no way around it. It is a risk that I and others choose to take.

But, if you are not running for public office or engaged in a high-profile profession, there is just no need that an investigation and smear campaign commence, checking your phone records, websites and whereabouts.

We remain in the class of commoners, just peacefully looking for some touch.

[Optional]

I do know of an incident of deportation in Taiwan.

For some reason a highly educated man, and also a usually very peaceful and spiritual man, never partaking in mongering activities, felt that on many occasions, he was disrespected here. In actuality, he wasn't, but just could not adjust to the flow of life here. Had trouble on a deep level, acclimating to the deeper Asian sentiments, and the stark differences between eastern and western communication. He just embraced his western value system fervently with a self-righteous attitude.

He had a number of incidents and he had a 60's hippie mentality of not backing down, and fighting for his rights. He seemed to always be in a grievance. If he held it in and didn't complain, he was given to rather frequent outbursts of anger.

Anyway, long story short, he did assault somebody on camera. He was deported within 24 hours. Not even a trial, but caught on video. Ant****ial behavior like touching a civilian without consent in any way is entirely frowned upon here. Taiwan is a very peaceful and safe society, and violence and molestation are considered despicable, and rightly so.

But, peacefully paying, and being on your way for a biological need, seems to be a sort of overlooked necessary evil, that in many ways greatly reduces illegal sexual harassment in society, thus allowed, but monitored..

That's good to know about the leniency. I just wonder if they would treat foreigners (whether on tourist visa or work permit) with the same leniency as a Taiwanese who they couldn't deport.

I also worry about something being on my permanent record here, however minor it may be. It would be hard to explain to significant others / family members if found out.

When I asked my LINE agent what happens when caught, he said it's usually just a 1 k TWD fine for Taiwanese. But he was not sure what happens to foreigner customers who are caught.

[Amazake]

I just had a major scare. I regularly book southeast Asian girls via a LINE agent. These are the girls that are situated in their own individual hotel rooms or studios.

Oftentimes the papasans rent a whole cluster of hotel rooms for a group of these girls.

I was visiting a girl in one of those hotel rooms today, and afterwards, as I left the room, I saw police knocking on the room right next door, asking for ID & passport.

If I had left just one minute later, they would have been knocking on my room! I count my blessings.

Anyone know what happens to non-Taiwanese citizens who get caught in one of these situations? I am wondering what my penalty (and the girls penalty) would have been. Deportation?

I do know of an incident of deportation in Taiwan.

For some reason a highly educated man, and also a usually very peaceful and spiritual man, never partaking in mongering activities, felt that on many occasions, he was disrespected here. In actuality, he wasn't, but just could not adjust to the flow of life here. Had trouble on a deep level, acclimating to the deeper Asian sentiments, and the stark differences between eastern and western communication. He just embraced his western value system fervently with a self-righteous attitude.

He had a number of incidents and he had a 60's hippie mentality of not backing down, and fighting for his rights. He seemed to always be in a grievance. If he held it in and didn't complain, he was given to rather frequent outbursts of anger.

Anyway, long story short, he did assault somebody on camera. He was deported within 24 hours. Not even a trial, but caught on video. Ant****ial behavior like touching a civilian without consent in any way is entirely frowned upon here. Taiwan is a very peaceful and safe society, and violence and molestation are considered despicable, and rightly so.

But, peacefully paying, and being on your way for a biological need, seems to be a sort of overlooked necessary evil, that in many ways greatly reduces illegal sexual harassment in society, thus allowed, but monitored.

Illegal status, being on the lam, criminality, a bad record are what the authorities are looking for.

I even know of a guy in Taiwan who was on camera stealing from a convenience store and outrunning everybody until he was caught. To his pleasant surprise, he was treated extremely lenient, fairly, and compassionately. And, after a brief, minor legal process, with almost no interruption in his job or life, returned to normalcy, paying a small fine and an receiving an admonition.