Taipei

[Hawaii Kane]

I guess I should consider myself lucky then, my recent run of girls from my mamasan have all been 9s (at worst 8) for me and at the bargin price of 3500. Them being China girls did nothing to dull my libido and I have Taiwanese freebies already.

Aloha,

I will be in Taipei for business in a few weeks and would appreciate any advice on finding a good time. Price is not an issue, I will pay for quality. I do not speak Chinese and from reading these forums, it may be a problem. Any advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Hawaii

[Hawaii Kane]

Going to Taipei in a few weeks for business. I have never been there before and would like to enjoy a good time. I am more than willing to pay for a great outcall. I don? T have time to go to a KTV or go hunting in general. I need an outcall to my hotel. From reading through this forum, it seems there are a few hit-or-miss mama services. I would much rather skip through the uglies and pay for the hotties. I don? T speak Chinese, so keep that in mind.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[Bluerose]

One detail I do not understand is the big picture on prostitution in Taiwan. Is the KMT serious about decriminalizing the oldest profession, and if so what will change and who will benefit? They have more or less legalized both gambling and prostitution on a national level, but it seems that on a local level, they didnt get the memo yet. To compete for convention and tourist dollars, esp. in a poor economy, Taiwan has to serve up more pussy to the West in order to stay competitive. But at the same time they hide the good mongering from us in order to suck up to Western morality. Will there really be regulated red light districts here in a couple years, and if so how is the money we spend ultimately split up? At least I can say, follow the money.[/QUOTE]KMT, on the whole, is reluctant to decriminalize prostitution not for sucking up to Western morality or to hide mongering from us, the feminist lobbies are far more powerful than has been acknowledged in Taiwanese politics and they are against the bill.

In any case, Taiwanese pussies aren't the best in the region, to say the least, and there is little chance that this industry can compete against its rivals in Macau, Thailand, China and Japan.

[Pleasure Dude]

Great advice below about sticking to one mama but it is very difficult for us guys that only come here every 3 months or so for only a few days at a time. By the time I return to Taiwan next trip, the mamason probably will not remember me anymore. As for paying extra for 9s, I was talking about local Taiwanese girls, not girls from China. I already had my share of 8s and 9s during my trip to southern China a few days earlier at even lower price than 3500NT during my last trip. I really need to consider moving back to Taiwan and try to hook up with the local hotties. If I get bored with the local flavor there, southern china is just one hour flight away. Anything is better than living in the states where all the hotties are extremely stuck up and superficial beyond belief.

PD

I guess I should consider myself lucky then, my recent run of girls from my mamasan have all been 9s (at worst 8) for me and at the bargin price of 3500. Them being China girls did nothing to dull my libido and I have Taiwanese freebies already.

My advice is as always. Try and stick with one mama that has been good with you so you can build up trust and credit. She will be much more willing to try and make a long term client happy than just getting you out of the way before her next one time client calls up making the same " I want a supermodel but I wont pay" request.

[E Z Rhino]

Last night, I originally wanted to take another attempt at shinning star (I will succeed one of these days!), but decided to try Yuki...

The search for a 9 Taiwanese girl outside of KTV continues.

Hiro, I searched back 100 posts and found this 'I have talked to a lot of the girls and found out that this is how it works: Most of the girls are students or working jobs, but live with parents. Because of this, 2pm – 8pm is the best time to call an outcall. The way the system in TPE works is that the girls are all independents. The usually work for 1-3 managers who will call them and tell them where the client is. These managers are typically NOT the people to deal with the clients. Those are usually Miss Ma, Yuki types (we'll call them 'Aunts') who coordinate between customers and the managers. The price can range from 3k-10k depending MORE on your negotiating ability than the quality of the girl. Its much better to try to get the phone of the managers directly because they are the people who have actually seen the girls, so you can explain what you want to them. I'm sure some of you have realized that using outcalls in TPE seems like they send random girls to you. This is because most of the 'aunts' have never seen any of the girls. In TPE, the girls keep half the money, the managers/aunts keep half. (raw deal.) A good way to test to see if you deal with a manager or aunt, is to ask your girl the name of her contact person. If its not the same name as the person you call, then you are not dealing with someone who sees the girls, and there is more chance you will not get what you want. (more middlemen= higher costs too.)'

By talking to people, and finding the details, maybe we can improve our odds. I am thinking that if you go outside the time frame JC describes above, there are simply fewer quality girls available. I also agree with Ragnaroks advice to cultivate a relationship with a direct manager. And PD's idea of scheduling ahead of time.

One detail I do not understand is the big picture on prostitution in Taiwan. Is the KMT serious about decriminalizing the oldest profession, and if so what will change and who will benefit? They have more or less legalized both gambling and prostitution on a national level, but it seems that on a local level, they didnt get the memo yet. To compete for convention and tourist dollars, esp. in a poor economy, Taiwan has to serve up more pussy to the West in order to stay competitive. But at the same time they hide the good mongering from us in order to suck up to Western morality. Will there really be regulated red light districts here in a couple years, and if so how is the money we spend ultimately split up? At least I can say, follow the money.

[Ragnarok42]

Trust me, it will be very difficult to find a 9 or 10 wg at just 4000 or 5000NT. You get what you pay for here.

cheers,
PD

I guess I should consider myself lucky then, my recent run of girls from my mamasan have all been 9s (at worst 8) for me and at the bargin price of 3500. Them being China girls did nothing to dull my libido and I have Taiwanese freebies already.

My advice is as always. Try and stick with one mama that has been good with you so you can build up trust and credit. She will be much more willing to try and make a long term client happy than just getting you out of the way before her next one time client calls up making the same " I want a supermodel but I wont pay" request.

[Pleasure Dude]

yeah. it is always a hit or miss with this outcall girls in taiwan. i am usually in town for only a few days so i do not have the time to look for freebies. when you call the outcall service, you are pretty much stuck with whomever is available at that time and also at that price range. it also depends on your luck. i think the best way to find your 9 in a short time is to arrange something with a mamason ahead of time. trust me, it will be very difficult to find a 9 or 10 wg at just 4000 or 5000nt. you get what you pay for here. when you try to arrange something earlier, tell the mamason exactly what you want (height, bust size, skin color, smoke or not, etc..) for example, you can request a model that has either appeared in a magazine or on tv before. once you narrow down your choices, you will probably have to go along with that girl's schedule in order to hook up. at the end, if you don't like what you see, you can still turn her away. good luck digging and report back.

cheers,
pd

last night, i originally wanted to take another attempt at shinning star (i will succeed one of these days!), but decided to try yuki.

bought taipei times (15twd) at a 7-11, went to a motel close by the office. the rest rate is 450 twd for 2 hours. they only asked me for my id because i wanted to use my credit card.

i actually called “helen” (2784-6622) first, asked for a massage and asked if they do specials, she said no specials, just a therapeutic massage; however i think that’s because i was using mandarin.

so then i called yuki (8671-2001).
[just for everyone’s info the number for aiko is (2700-0509)]

this time i spoke in english and she immediately asked if i wanted full service or a massage (ofcourse full service!). she quoted 5000twd at first, then i said, but the going rate is 3000, no? she then agreed to 3000.

then i started to negotiate with her by saying if she sends better quality girls i may offer to pay 3500twd. she promised she would send better quality girls for 3500. 20 minutes later, knock on the door, a taiwanese girl walks in; a 7 in my opinion but as soon as she started to talk i thought ‘no’ to myself as her teeth were yellowish and her breathe was a mix of cigarettes and beer (eww~~).

sent her away, felt kind of bad since i rarely send girls away, called yuki again and asked her to send a better girl who doesn’t smoke. she said ok and another 20 minutes later in walks a 6.5, chinese girl (i really wanted a taiwanese girl).

her name was dou dou (bean bean). she was kind of cute and i really was not in the mood to wait another 20 minutes. she was fairly nice (pluses on the gfe).

we showered together, then bbbj, then fs (cowgirl, mish), pretty standard. in the middle of it her phone starts to beep and she says she’s sorry but her time is almost up. (i did not know the session was for 40mins only?!)

anyway overall it was an “okay” experience. overall damage was roughly 4.2k as i had to add extra time to my 2 hour rest.

my advice is, if you have time, you can keep sending back girls and negotiate with yuki until she sends a 9 girl at a decent price, but i did not have that much time.

next time, maybe i will just stay for the night and send back like 5 girls until i get the one i want (might be shot in the process but hey).

the search for a 9 taiwanese girl outside of ktv continues.

[Abc Boy]

Hi everyone,

With Shinning star you basically need some serious skills to take out the girls, sadly skills which I do not have. Do not ask the managers up front about anything FS related, it would not work. You need to discuss and persuade the girls in private, having said that, I have so far been unsuccessful (ouch!). I have been there five times with 3 different girls and have not managed to take any of them out (double ouch!), leaving with only their numbers. But I will keep trying since Caesars is getting boring and KTV is a no, since I do not have anyone else to go with.

So to conclude, I have no skill, but then again I will keep working at it because there really is no other option out there. Now I wish I can go across the strait everyday, but then don't we all.

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With shining star girls here is what you need to do, in this order:

1) Find a girl you like to do FS with and do a 2-hour massage. Chat with her honestly and friendly and funny.

2) Tell her that you really enjoyed her company and would like to take her out next time, they will say yes because minimum take out is 3 hours (I think) and it's easy money (also 200 TWD more per hour). Say you like to take her out for dinner and some fun.

3) When you're out and time is almost up tell her that you are very interested in her and would like to take her for special, and tell her to name her price.

Ok, at this point here are the possible scenarios:

1) You're a moron and she doesn't like you one bit, sorry, no luck there.
2) She likes you but will try to milk you, she will say 20K TWD or something ridiculous like that.

Don't fear: say, "HA!, the going rate is $7000 TWD for a FS", and she will submit.

Not really that hard in my opinion, but shining star girls are only average face in my opinion. I rated one 8 and the rest are 7 or less.

[Hiro Nakamura]

last night, i originally wanted to take another attempt at shinning star (i will succeed one of these days!), but decided to try yuki.

bought taipei times (15twd) at a 7-11, went to a motel close by the office. the rest rate is 450 twd for 2 hours. they only asked me for my id because i wanted to use my credit card.

i actually called “helen” (2784-6622) first, asked for a massage and asked if they do specials, she said no specials, just a therapeutic massage; however i think that’s because i was using mandarin.

so then i called yuki (8671-2001).
[just for everyone’s info the number for aiko is (2700-0509)]

this time i spoke in english and she immediately asked if i wanted full service or a massage (ofcourse full service!). she quoted 5000twd at first, then i said, but the going rate is 3000, no? she then agreed to 3000.

then i started to negotiate with her by saying if she sends better quality girls i may offer to pay 3500twd. she promised she would send better quality girls for 3500. 20 minutes later, knock on the door, a taiwanese girl walks in; a 7 in my opinion but as soon as she started to talk i thought ‘no’ to myself as her teeth were yellowish and her breathe was a mix of cigarettes and beer (eww~~).

sent her away, felt kind of bad since i rarely send girls away, called yuki again and asked her to send a better girl who doesn’t smoke. she said ok and another 20 minutes later in walks a 6.5, chinese girl (i really wanted a taiwanese girl).

her name was dou dou (bean bean). she was kind of cute and i really was not in the mood to wait another 20 minutes. she was fairly nice (pluses on the gfe).

we showered together, then bbbj, then fs (cowgirl, mish), pretty standard. in the middle of it her phone starts to beep and she says she’s sorry but her time is almost up. (i did not know the session was for 40mins only?!)

anyway overall it was an “okay” experience. overall damage was roughly 4.2k as i had to add extra time to my 2 hour rest.

my advice is, if you have time, you can keep sending back girls and negotiate with yuki until she sends a 9 girl at a decent price, but i did not have that much time.

next time, maybe i will just stay for the night and send back like 5 girls until i get the one i want (might be shot in the process but hey).

the search for a 9 taiwanese girl outside of ktv continues.

[E Z Rhino]

So to conclude, I have no skill, but then again I will keep working at it because there really is no other option out there. Now I wish I can go across the strait everyday, but then don't we all.

If we were naturals, we wouldn't be here. We all need to work at it but like any skill it can be developed. Mongering has been a key component of my personal growth. At the very least, just knowing that you can, or having recently, scored some p4p, makes you less desperate. Now, there are a lot of books about how to pick up girls, and lots of them are bullshit or at least not useful for me, but most of them would agree that women can detect a desperate guy from 250 meters and will run the opposite direction. I know a lot of guys who are really stuck in their interpersonal or sex lives, and I often encourage them to just go out there and buy some so they can prime the pump. Though, the USA is a particularly screwed up place when it comes to um, screwing. As the Australians like to say "I'm bloody glad we got the convicts and they got the Puritans." Anyway I wanted to point out that there are some websites with lots of PUA (Pick Up Artist) books shared over p2p torrents. If its within the rules I'll find the names of those sites. I still think a lot of the material is bad, but some of it does actually work. Gambate!

[Hiro Nakamura]

Hi everyone,

Just got back from a very long business trip (China and the Middle East), could not access the forum there so have been unable to post.

But I just have to say, 500RMB to have 2 hours of full body to body wash, BBBJTC, body massage, another BBBJ, AR, finally FS PLUS GFE with a 9 girl is seriously what we need over here on the other side of the strait.

Back to Taipei and back to reality, last time I talked about Caesars, I'll focus on shinning star and my other adventures this time.

With Shinning star you basically need some serious skills to take out the girls, sadly skills which I do not have. Do not ask the managers up front about anything FS related, it would not work. You need to discuss and persuade the girls in private, having said that, I have so far been unsuccessful (ouch!). I have been there five times with 3 different girls and have not managed to take any of them out (double ouch!), leaving with only their numbers. But I will keep trying since Caesars is getting boring and KTV is a no, since I do not have anyone else to go with.

Moving on, met this person who use to be a manager at Taoyuan KTVs and he told me do not bother going to the KTVs in Taoyuan as the ones in Taipei are much better. Girls are better looking, and the price is about the same. He gave me some names of KTVs in Taipei which provide cheap and good service such as girls get completely naked and give lap dances every half an hour. He says if you go in a group of 4 the price will work out to be around 3 4k per person. Ofcourse, having said that, I do not have anyone to go with!

So I have been checking out other massage establishments around the "Big Taipei Area". So far I have been going to this particular one called xiao niang niang (little women women?). It is 1800TWD for a 2 hour massage. The girls there are between 7 8 (looks), age around 23 29. Not bad right? I've been there 6 times with 3 different girls and yes just like shinning star I have failed to take any of them out.

So to conclude, I have no skill, but then again I will keep working at it because there really is no other option out there. Now I wish I can go across the strait everyday, but then don't we all.

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[Exile]

I agree with Traveler, but exercise the proper caution with either "one time wonder" brothers or any tauts that solicit you without you knowing them, just common sense really.

.....which was the warning was about. I believe that all but three or four people in Taiwan know about SanChong, LinSen, Ceasar's and LongShan. As Rag said, it's not like you are committing a crime, even if you are caught with a working girl. Of course, it's (nearly?) impossible to monger in Taiwan without being involved in organized crime, so some caution should always be taken. Being that Taiwan is one of the richest freebie markets you could hope for, it isn't worth the risk most of the time, unless that really is your thing.

[Ragnarok42]

No disrespect to any of the senior Taiwan board members but LE knows well where the foreigners monger. ISG only scratches the top of underground sites that Asian well know, particular where japanese and locals normally hang. And that's where the real money is.....

Continue to enjoy and don't worry too much

I agree with Traveler, but exercise the proper caution with either "one time wonder" brothers or any tauts that solicit you without you knowing them, just common sense really.

I have only met 3 or 4 brothers in person and these were senior members, like yourself, with thousands of post and PM ability, so that narrows the field quite a bit. While it still technically not illegal to be charged here if caught with a WG, its still wise to exercise caution.

Play hard but play safe. I think its wise if senior brothers PM any information in the future and pass on legit and safe mamas or other info.

[Traveler1234]

No disrespect to any of the senior Taiwan board members but LE knows well where the foreigners monger. ISG only scratches the top of underground sites that Asian well know, particular where japanese and locals normally hang. And that's where the real money is.....

Continue to enjoy and don't worry too much

[Exile]

I know some people will complain about us veterans being too strict, however, it's for our and really your own protection. Do you think LE don't read this site and gather intel, and they are not ready to bust you when they have the chance?

Play with fire if you want, but I prefer to be safe rather than sorry.

I have no idea if they read this site and was just passing on what I heard. However, being that it is the most well-known and best source of info outisde of the Chinese discussion boards, I see no reason why they wouldn't. That being said, the places talked about here are fairly well-known to the general public and nobody here is making any money off the industry so this wouldn't be fruitful for the Internet police. Con men and gangsters would probably find more targets in such places than LE.