Taipei

[JamesDolan]

Does a reasonably good looking white guy have a chance to get freebies with local girls in Taipei? Does making eyes / cold approach work or are there bars where girls go to pick up white guys? I don't speak much mandarin. Just curious where to start.

Your best bet would be LINE, Tinder / Grinder, OKCupid and Brass Monkey FuXing branch.

[TmBenson8]

So, I know there are a ton of reviews of Caesar's, but I've read the vast majority of them, and found, on my first trip there, there were a fair number of things I didn't understand / appreciate about the place (hint: most of it does *not* have to do with the special service). In that light, I hope this will be useful to some.

**Overview*.

I think the key to having a great experience at Caesar's is not treating it as a place to get laid. Rather, it's a destination in its own right a true "relaxation station" and deserves at least two hours of your time.

**Getting There and Getting Started*.

This is the stuff I didn't glean from the board earlier, and that I hope is the most useful.

As is well documented on this board, Caesar's is on the 15th floor of the Asiaworld department store on the corner of Dunhua and Road and Nanjing E Road. I think that Asiaworld is in the process of being rebranded to another Breeze department store, and right now the back pavilion entrance to the elevator is blocked; you need to go in through the doors on Nanjing even if it's in the middle of the night. You take the elevators to the 15th floor (the escalators don't go that far).

Once you get to the 15th floor, the reception desk will give you a number- you don't pay (this confused me). The number is for your locker and will be your identification for your entire stay, and you'll settle your account at the reception desk when you go.

Next, hand your shoes to the shoe shine guy, and don't sweat the extra $100. Even if you're wearing sneakers they'll be spotless when you get them back; I don't think this is optional, but I'd argue it's in fact worth it.

Finally, you'll enter the locker area where an attendant will lead you to your assigned locker (the key will be in the lock). You can come open / close your locker as many times as you like, but you'll need the attendants help to open it: it requires both your personal key and his master key, which I like. Your key has a wristband so you can keep it with you, because you won't be keeping much else.

Take all your clothes off, and grab the towel in the slot above / below your locker if you wish. Or, just stay naked. This is totally acceptable and normal (and keep this in mind: I'll discuss it later).

**The Spa / Shower Room*.

Next, off of the locker room is- in addition to a small exercise room with a treadmill; time to give up my gym membership? -- the shower room. This is a huge space with a bunch of naked guys, but I swear, it doesn't feel strange in the slightest. The foreground is a ton of washing stations where you can sit Taiwanese style and wash yourself. Shampoo / soap is provided, as is shaving cream and toothpaste (there are disposable razors and toothbrushes on a shelf when you come in). In addition, and I didn't realize this till my second time through the room, there are standing showers to the right as well. So if you're like me, and you just want to stand in the water for 20 minutes without your wife yelling at you about wasting water, you'll be very happy indeed!

Once you wash up, definitely take the time to try out the hot pool -- it's the large one to the left -- and follow it up with a dunk in the cold pool -- the even larger one at the top of the room. Very, very refreshing, and relaxing (there's that word again). There are also two saunas, one wet and one dry, but I didn't try them out this time.

Once you're done with your shower, and your hot pool and cold pool routine -- and seriously, take your time here; knowing what's next makes it even better -- then you exit the opposite side of the room from whence you came in. There there are towels to dry off, and shorts and a robe for you to put on. Dumb your towel in the laundry shoot and go through the doors to a large room where there are hair dryers, hair products, etc. , and make yourself beautiful.

At this point I returned to my locker and grabbed my phone (I had stashed it for the shower room part, which is highly recommended. There is no where to put it). Then I headed past the hair dryer room and down the hall to the "restaurant. ".

**The Restaurant*.

There likely will be a bunch of guys around, at least there were for me, both in a room to the right with massage tables and couches, and then also in the restaurant itself. The restaurant consists of a whole bunch of tables with four comfy chairs around them, and given that I was there very early in the morning, it sure seemed like a bunch of folks had spent the night there. More power to them!

While in the restaurant I believe you can order food, and soft drinks and coffee are freely available, but I only had the tea provided. Instead I made a beeline for the far side of the room: past the bar / drinks counter on the left are some stairs, and this is where this board's training took over: I knew that was where the mamasan came down, and after my lovely time in the shower room, I was ready to take my relaxation to the next level.

The mamasan showed up soon after, and I immediately made eye contact; this is the best way to get attention quickly, and there's no need to be shy. You both know why you're here, and everyone is totally cool with that. Again, relaxing!

Anyhow, she gave me a nod, and after taking care of some business behind the counter, she came straight on over and asked if I wanted the special massage. I do speak Chinese, so we then had a discussion about whether the morning shift had started (no, they didn't start until 7 am), what types of girls were available, and she said she had a couple that she thought would be suitable for me, but if I wanted a truly young girl I would have to wait until 10 am or so when a couple started work; the youngest she had were mid-30's. This was fine with me, so up we went with a promise that I could check both out and take the one I liked best.

**Upstairs*.

I thought she was going to give me a mini-lineup, but instead showed me to a room, so I guess her promise was exactly what the board has described: one would come to my room, and I could approve or disapprove. Anyhow, I went ahead and stripped down, hopped on the bed, and a few minutes later the rather tall #16 showed up. She had a very nice body, and the face seemed quite fine as well, albeit very heavily covered with makeup. I thought she looked great and invited her on in.

You all know what happened next: she made up the bed, I hopped back on, and after plugging the door handle hole with a towel and covering the ceiling vent she launched into a pretty good towel massage. She worked on my very tight upper shoulders, back, and legs, and then after maybe 15 minutes or so there was a rustle as she was obviously taking off all her clothes. The soft touch commenced, then a cat bath, which was mostly fine except for the annoying moans that too many of these girls feel compelled to do (apparently it's a Japanese thing? She then prompted me to stick my rear end in the air, which was great because that's my favorite massage parlor move by far, tossed my salad and played with me through my legs from behind. It was great.

She then flipped me over and started right off with a hot tea CBJ (she put the condom on with her mouth). That went on for a bit, then she kissed her way up my chest and mounted me. Right into ACG, and I was getting a little too worked up so I tried to get her to slow down, at which point she pouted and said something to the effect of "Fine, then you do it" and flipped on her back. OK then!

We went at it in missionary for a while, and I feasted on her very nice breasts, but she (sadly) didn't get much out of it. No worries, it was late in her shift, and I enjoyed it! Flipped her over onto her stomach and finished from behind. She cleaned up and covered me with a towel, then jumped in the in-room shower; I got in after her, but only rinsed, as I planned to make another stop in the shower room downstairs. She was very friendly and talkative in a good way throughout, and was from Taichung, which was nice; nearly every other working girl I've had in Taiwan has been Chinese or Vietnamese (except for tea service). Clearly she preferred to be in total control during the hour, which is fine: lots of folks have written that Caesars is about the script, and that actually fits (more on this too, in a moment).

She walked down the hall with me, massaging my neck as we went, and asked me to visit her soon. I will.

#The Aftermath.

I headed down to the restaurant and relaxed in one of those chairs, just relaxing in that post-orgasmic feeling of satisfaction (and honestly, a bit of a desire to call mamasan over for another round). Finally I dragged myself out of my seat, put my phone back in my locker, and went back to the shower room, where I enjoyed a nice long standing shower, then hopped back in the hot and cold tubs. Very refreshing. I dried off, grabbed another shorts / robe combo, then dried / combed my hair. Went back to the locker room, got dressed, grabbed my shoes, and stopped by the reception desk where my $4,300 bill was waiting (the locker room attendant had alerted them I was leaving). Paid up, and was on my way after a fantastic two hours.

Why I'll be back regularly.

Here's the deal with Caesar's: at $4,200, given the only OK level of FS (and apparently, according to this board, it varies), it's may not be worth it if all you want is sex. Minquan Blue girls are probably better looking and definitely younger, and if you speak Chinese, you can get FS easily for $3 k through places like JKForum. And, if you're the adventurous type, you can likely get FS at those Thai massage places that are springing up everywhere for even less (particularly in Taipei County). And, of course, there are the tea delivery services, which have always been hit-or-miss for me, particularly given the high prices. Frankly, as many have noted, if you want a guarantee of great sex with a young and sexy girl (and like me, you don't have the time or interest in getting a freebie) your best bet is to get on a plane.

Rather, I think the best way to think about Caesar's is that it is quite simply pure relaxation. It unabashedly exists to serve men in *any* way they need service. It's not a brothel; penis massage via vagina just happens to be one of the services on offer. This is what I was driving at with all of the "relaxing" comments above: you walk in, you walk around naked, you ask the mamasan for a girl, you get a massage, she has sex with you, all with the assumption that of course that is what is going to happen, it's totally natural, there is no negotiation, and there is no pressure.

For me, it's perfect. I have both a demanding job and a demanding home life; neither are bad, just demanding and it was awesome to just be pampered, both by myself and by a girl, for a few hours as the rest of my world floated away. Indeed, I could totally see going to Caesar's and *not* having sex -- apparently many do -- but for me the sex is more about the release and the relaxation, so it's an essential component for a truly relaxing experience. And, in that light, it almost doesn't matter if the sex is great (and it was pretty good! If it is, it's a bonus, and if it's not, I still have a stress-free orgasm, and a few hours away from it all where I am the absolute center of attention. Well worth it, and I plan to be back soon.

My Rotation.

Caesar's was definitely the missing piece in my Taiwanese mongering life (yes, yes, it's not great here; we get that). I have a regular near my house that I grab time with on the rare moments I have a free hour; everything is on the menu but I usually just CIM, and it's very much about getting a release; if she's busy I hit up one of the aforementioned Thai massage parlors, usually just for a HJ. Less negotiation, and FS isn't that good anyways. The BBS behind the Sheraton is great for a HJ: the ladies are old but the technique is *excellent*, and I enjoy Minquan Blue if I want a pretty girl (but for that I especially like business trips abroad! As for Caesar's, I've avoided it until now because most here seem down on it, but I think that's because to focus on the sex is to miss the point: Caesar's is about the *whole* experience, and a great match for very, very rare occasions when I have a few free hours and just need to escape. I can't wait to go back.

[Intransit]

I looked on the Sex 141 site (just pout those together and put a dotcom afterwards, and found a few that were WeChat friendly. I added one or two of them. As indicated in the "badyspa168" report below, every few hours on Moments they will post photos of girls available. Prices range from 5 k to 20 k, the top end being purported Japanese models or flight crew.

I picked one at the 6 k level, which is still fairly pricey. I communicated with whomever was on the booking end by text, in Chinese, not sure if they read any English. They said about 40 minutes, it took an hour, no big deal. One thing I learned -- unlike on the Mainland, ther's no need to meet the girl in the lobby, even if your elevator requires a card to access room floors. She told the front desk, they called up, I said yes, and there she was.

She didn't look anything like her photo, but her photo looked like a cartoon, so I didn't expect that. She was young, cute, a tiny bit of flab, nice tits in a small tit way. Not shaved but not Nottingham Forest either. She had already showered and so had I, so we got down to it. Very good oral skills, I could have let her go and just shot it on the blow.

We moved to the bed and did some different positions. I learned the word in Taiwan for pussy is not the word in China -- that was a bit of a turn-on. She dirty-talked in Chinese, which was good, Finally finished in mish.

6 k is a lot but I had a good room for fucking and didn't want to waste it, and I didn't have to go anywhere. Next time I think I'd actually try a 5 k and see what the diff is.

Can look up the service contact name and send the reference photo via PM. Should have done this more -- Taiwan is pretty uninteresting and some sport fucking would have livened it up.

[HughJazz1]

I recently came across a foreigner-friendly provider from here:

http://www.princess520.com/blogs/index.php/

The easiest way to find the latest from them is to add:

LINE: kiki133667.

WeChat: badyspa168.

I use their LINE. Every few hours, if you check the Timeline feature in LINE, you can see postings of latest photos and schedules. They also have FS / OFOP for 3. 5-4 but I haven't tried it yet.

Note that you must make an appointment with a specific girl via LINE or phone first, or you will not be able to get in. Even if your Chinese isn't great, you can use google translate, for the most part, and try to make an appointment that way.

The damage is 2. 2 and includes a HJ.

They have several locations, but the only one I've tried is 239 Jilin Road, 2 F, around the corner from the busy seafood place.

- NM97.

NM97,

Thanks for great info. For all, I went to their web page. Using translate found another Line ID. There's more than one if they don't respond right away. It's like he says. You add the manager as a friend on Line, and can see pictures of the girls and hours they work on a very regular basis (every hour or so) updated on their timeline. Send them a Line message to set up a time for who you like. If the girl you want is not free then, you can also just go there and pick someone on site, which is what I did.

I went to the Linsen and Road location. Close to Min-Quan. They give you the exact address on Line I'm. I forget the number. It's clean and modern and the rooms are new. Nicer than Minquan 75 on facility. If you don't have an appointment, they just take you to a room and bring in a parade of the available girls into your room and you pick one.

I wasn't totally clear on her name (sounded like "Yuen Yuen" She was 25, great body (9 out of 10), OK face (6 out of 10).

That's the good news. The bad news is everything else. The massage was a tentative, one handed, indifferent effort from someone who really didn't know how to give a massage and didn't seem to want to try. So, when the 20 minute "massage" finished, then she took off her top, and turned to the HJ. To this, she brought all the sexiness and allure one would normally associate with washing a potato when making dinner. Any effort on my part to build some kind of interest just came to awkwardness. And my Chinese is OK. She was a nice enough girl, but had only been there about 3 months and either didn't want to be there or had no idea or training on what to do.

So, I think there are indeed some very beautiful girls there, but select carefully.

At Minquan 75, they make an effort to make sure the girls have a level of knowledge about how to do a job and are able to do it. This seems not to be the case for the Princess 520 locations, but you do get to pick, see pictures, and the overall looks are good. But experience will vary so lookout!

Hugh

[Ragnarok42]

First off, nice report for your first post A6970, unlike many brothers who only complain about the quality of posts on this forum yet never contribute, yours is a wonderful change of pace.

The mongering scene in Taiwan is pretty rough and even harder if you don't speak the language. I know the feeling when you just want to play and don't want to spend the time wining and dining the girl for the possibility of pussy. We can't all be like AAC with tons of freebies, but if you want some down and dirty fun here. Some places you might look into (just be sure it's dark and you are slightly hammered).

There still exist some BBSs in Taipei with some girls that are passable, I have a few favorites in these places and they always give me a good time (3 P, CIM and even anal). And at 3300 for 40 minutes it's a deal. You will need some language skills is all these places I mention, and some flat out will not take foreigners (that's reverse racism for you).

There are street walkers in the Long Shan area but man they must be the mothers of the girls working in the KTVs, but at 1500 a pop and even a decent bed to do it on, they can be a cheap albeit rather nasty option. (Hint. Do it cowboy style with the lights out and your glasses off, ha).

There is still a version of OPOF which I have visited occasionally, they are now located in the basement of some budget hotel and you will need to be referred and again, Chinese only. But at 3 K for sometimes really young girls, it can be worth it.

If you have time, do find some freebies, it's worth the effort. My current freebie is a real freak in bed and will let me do everything short of anal. So take some time if you can to build relationships, what many brothers say about Taiwan girls and sex I don't find accurate. They love sex and have amazing appretites.

Cheers.

[TomSf]

Like my title says, no offense to anyone here.

I guess everyone has different experiences in taiwan.

But I get tons of freebies in taiwan.

And most of my freebies know english pretty well.

But you are right that I think 70% of the "normal" population does not speak any english.

I get my freebies from everywhere. Tagged, Badoo even have dated some on Craigslist.

And you can score at Carnagies or Luxy, I even scored with a cute waitress at some restaurant.

I got freebies through other freebies. Friends from a freebie that wanted to experience a western guy.

I never ever p4p in taiwan cause i think it's too expensive compared to thailand where i go a lot too. I have so many freebies in taiwan that i'm never bored. (I'm going to Taipei again and have lined up 4 to meet with 1 new girl).

The new girl just texted me that she is not sure if she will stay over at my hotel when we meet but she is single and does not have a regular FWB yet. You just have to love texts like that LOL.

Now yes if you see my freebies some of you might not be attracted to them. I fuck everything from skinny to little over average.

Most of my freebies are aged between 26 and 33...

Airlinecrew,

Excellent review! Lucky guy getting offered her virginity. I also found a lot of young girls here can speak some English.

[Q6970]

Ok, I'm just going to cut the chase with my own experience. Some good, some bad. Hope it helps someone.

Line contact to massage place.

- I got this contact from this post http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...100&viewfull=1#post1695100.

- Girls were younger, and better looking.

- $2. 2 k for 1 HR and HJ.

- Girl gets NAKED!!

- No FS on site!

- Taking the girl out will cost $5+k for 1 hour.

Wanhua (Minquan 75 same owner).

- $1300 + $500 tips.

- HJ only.

- #66 is cute and good body.

- Doesn't get naked.

- No FS.

Thai massage at Wanhua.

- This was at Heping W Road, same street as the one above.

- $1. 3 inc HJ.

- All viet girls, some are good looking.

- Doesn't get naked, nothing more!

Caesars.

- Over $4 k for FS.

- I didn't really like it, the girls were abit old for my taste. It all felt abit too mechanical.

KTV.

- I've tried about 3 different ones ranging from $2. 5 k to $5 k for the girl to sit with you.

- Some of them have uniformed girls who are willing get crazy and get naked. Some with HJ in bathroom.

- For takeout, I've been quoted from $7 k.

- I have a feeling that this is where the girls are working. Same customer might pick the girl a few times to get to know them, and eventually they pay the KTV place to take the girl out. For the KTV, it's all legit as there is no p4 p going on.

- Most I ever had at a KTV place was fingering and a quick BJ. But this was a girl that seemed to really like me. Wasn't planning to spend another $7 k to take her out.

Line Outcall.

- Think I found the contact on this forum.

- $5 k start.

- I turned away 3, and gave up. Quality was poor.

So, as you can see my experience hasn't been that great. Sometimes I think it might not even be worth it, just go find girls at the bars / clubs or socially. Problem is I have to spend time courting them, I've been there done that, and it's alot of work. Especially in Taiwan, I find the girls abit strange towards sex.

Sometimes, I feel like it's better for me to just fly to macau for abit.

[AirlineCrew]

Your posts won't offend anyone ALC, but maybe not helping all that much for people who just don't do well picking up girls (me included), being short, fat and Chinese I don't have much luck, haha.

Ah yes sometimes I forget people are less lucky. Somehow Ragnarok makes me think you are a big Scandinavian god of thunder LOL. Well it's the same with me. I don't have much luck picking up girls in my country, there the blacks have more luck then I do I guess.

Then again I'm sure I won't have any luck with your provider. Not being able to read and write or even speak mandarin.

Some doors will stay closed while others will open for different kind of people.

[Ragnarok42]

Just to add some additional info to my last post. The girl That came was pretty close to what I asked for (super thin, small with small breasts). Was not sure if she was Taiwanese which I specifically asked for, don't have anything against China girls, just the way they talk and act sometimes makes me feel like I am fucking some inbred redneck so I like plowing local girls.

They wanted 6 K but I "bargained" it down to 5. 5 k, was a pretty good experience and hope to see what other type she has. I have both her phone and Line but prefer using Line since I cannot take calls at home cause the whole wife thing.

Cheers, and hope to post more reports on her girls.

[Ragnarok42]

Your posts won't offend anyone ALC, but maybe not helping all that much for people who just don't do well picking up girls (me included), being short, fat and Chinese I don't have much luck, haha.

But to bring the brothers up to date, I decided to stop calling girls from my provider of 6 years since she has switched girls on me two times in a row and got sick of paying for girls that clearly I did not call in. So any brothers I have given the number of my previous provider be aware that I am starting to call from another agency. Last one was pretty good so will keep on seeing if she delivers, will keep the forum posted.

[AirlineCrew]

Like my title says, no offense to anyone here.

I guess everyone has different experiences in Taiwan.

But I get tons of freebies in Taiwan.

And most of my freebies know English pretty well.

But you are right that I think 70% of the "normal" population does not speak any English.

I get my freebies from everywhere. Tagged, Badoo even have dated some on Craigslist.

And you can score at Carnagies or Luxy, I even scored with a cute waitress at some restaurant.

I got freebies through other freebies. Friends from a freebie that wanted to experience a western guy.

I never ever p4p in Taiwan cause i think it's too expensive compared to Thailand where i go a lot too. I have so many freebies in Taiwan that i'm never bored. (I'm going to Taipei again and have lined up 4 to meet with 1 new girl).

The new girl just texted me that she is not sure if she will stay over at my hotel when we meet but she is single and does not have a regular FWB yet. You just have to love texts like that LOL.

Now yes if you see my freebies some of you might not be attracted to them. I fuck everything from skinny to little over average.

Most of my freebies are aged between 26 and 33.

One example: One girl aged 21 contacted me, after some chit chat i found out that she was pretty open minded about sex, and bisexual herself, she only had experience with girls though. Now she did not look anything great. She was young but that's all she had going for her. She did have big boobs but that's because she was also quite fat (i usually draw the line a lot sooner with girls) but because she was young she had good skin but she was truly fat and did not have a good face. Then she offered that i could take her virginity and bareback too. Now i normally always use a condom but with a virgin i did not mind. Some of you might have turned her down, but me i Always think what the hell lets go for it, it's just one night. So i popped her cherry, did her in all positions and easily dumped her over time.

If you want the very young, skinny, model looking girls you may need to wine and dine them a lot. I actually have only one of those and I see her from time to time, but she is high maintenance and a bit peculiar from which I Always come back with a feeling is she really worth all the effort.

In the end a 33 y/o good looking has just as nice a pussy as that girl.

I'm not in Taipei all the time, in fact I think I'm there once every month or two months. So I have no time to wine and dine them.

But I have about 10 freebies that I can fuck at any time. More than enough for me.

And I'm not trying to boast here, truly I'm not. They are out there but you have got to look for them and maybe not be as picky.

Cheers,

ALC

[TomSf]

Taiwan woman are generally high class and more traditional thinking when it comes to sex. So yes they like white guys but you will have to court them for weeks or months before you can bang them. If they are a drinker and you can talk them into eventually going to a bar with you. Then you can spend a ton of money on drinks and dinner. With the hope that you get her drunk enough for her to think sex is a good idea to have with a stranger. It could happen. But, I would say probably not. Paying for it is much cheaper and a sure thing. In Taiwan most people speak English by the way.

I wanted to add that I am speaking about people 30 and under being able to speak some English so there can be some communication even if its not perfect. Most young people are required to learn some English in school.

[Ikksman]

Does a reasonably good looking white guy have a chance to get freebies with local girls in Taipei? Does making eyes / cold approach work or are there bars where girls go to pick up white guys? I don't speak much mandarin. Just curious where to start.

I have visited Taipei reasonably frequently over the last 20 years, and IMHO it is becoming increasingly difficult to score freebies, particularly compared to China where I am based. Like HK, with which you are familiar, the SYTs are a wake up to us Western guys.

And, contrary to another post here, most people in Taiwan do not speak English. Therefore, translation apps and products like Wechat are invaluable tools.

I don't wish to be rude to another senior member, but this forum is fairly rich in information relating to your questions. For example check this very recent post here: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1546522.

And check Freebiefan's and Ragnarok42's posts for useful information and tips.

Ikksman

[TomSf]

Does a reasonably good looking white guy have a chance to get freebies with local girls in Taipei? Does making eyes / cold approach work or are there bars where girls go to pick up white guys? I don't speak much mandarin. Just curious where to start.

Taiwan woman are generally high class and more traditional thinking when it comes to sex. So yes they like white guys but you will have to court them for weeks or months before you can bang them. If they are a drinker and you can talk them into eventually going to a bar with you. Then you can spend a ton of money on drinks and dinner. With the hope that you get her drunk enough for her to think sex is a good idea to have with a stranger. It could happen. But, I would say probably not. Paying for it is much cheaper and a sure thing. In Taiwan most people speak English by the way.

[Grimmy23]

Has anyone ever visited this place? It's easy walking distance from the hotel I usually stay in (Capital Hotel on Nanjing Rd.) I think it's most likely a legit place but I always see hot girls going in and out of there, and on their website which is Chinese only they have "stars" listed by number instead of name which makes me think there may be some specials available here. It seems to be a busy place with lots of guys going in? And the doormen are always trying to usher me in when I walk by. Again, it all just makes me curious. Prices listed at 2400 TWD for 2 hours or 3600 for 3 hours. I may just try it next time in Taipei, legit or not as I like real massages too, but I'd like to know more about this place if anyone has been there.

There are a bunch of massage joints on this street, most of them legit. I do know one place across the street that offers special and it's quite obvious as the girls try to get your attention as you walk by. I've been there a couple times. Cute girls and usually pretty decent HJ but the girls won't go any further than taking their tops off and letting you feel.

One thing I've found strange about Taiwan. I always get at least one legit massage when I visit because they're so cheap compared to the US. In many of the legit places they get a little flirty in the lobby and as you're heading to your room. Lots of young pretty girls greeting and rubbing your arm as you walk down the hall, but when you get to your room an older therapist shows up and it's 100% legit. Very good and worth repeating, but legit. I guess it's just part of the local culture. Spa Dance may be the same. Lure you in with pretty girls?