Taipei

[Mr Taiwan]

In any case, it's interesting what goes on; lots of activity in the neighborhood. Even the street-level momo shops in the lanes to the north of Guangzhou St have provocatively dressed middle-aged (if one's lucky, upper 30s at the low end, but often in their 40s and 50s, etc.) women in the middle of the day, but they often are straight-up serving tea in the open to elderly male customers (as are the shops in the lanes south of Guangzhou St). Maybe that innocuous activity sustains their business between more mongering-oriented episodes? Who knows. (That's why, as previously mentioned, a FAQ / cheat sheet on the LS neighborhood activities would be helpful. Still, as previously mentioned, the area scene is friendly enough and receptive to foreigners, but it would be helpful to know better the expectations, even if unspoken, that the momo shops have of their customers, and vice-versa.) For better or worse, it's all definitely a cultural experience and a funky chance for local fun!

A fatherly note to always be cautious and to always think about your own safety. I've taken chances and gone to unknown places with unknown people, but looking at the bigger picture, anything can happen to you while ingesting unknown beverages and going into unknown buildings with unknown people. You're safer sticking to street-level establishments, or having a local person lead the way, and its unlikely you'll be missing out on something noteworthy.

That said, the area has been offering the same sorts of activities for 40 or more years, so it's probably one of the safer places in Asia.

[E Z Rhino]

Sorry to be away so long mates, been busy slaying trolls in the Angeles City forum. Anyway, the Thai massage places near me suddenly closed. I was just getting vegetarian there, and thought they all were. Until today. In search of a new Thai Massage, I went to the nearest metro stop, and asked a taxi driver, if he knew of any Thai massage. He said hop in, and 70 NT later he showed me one, and dropped me off at a second. The first one, last week, was your generic dry Thai massage for 1000NT, no hint of more, and just an average massage. So this week I thought I'd try the other place he pointed out, just looking for a massage.

Right away the lady started to upsell me from the 1100NT dry massage to the 1400NT oil massage. I resisted at first. Once we got back to the massage booth, it was the same lady, and she looked a bit slutty. She seemed a bit more open and pre-touched me more than most, plus I noticed it wasn't just a curtain but sort of a partition door. So remembering my duty to my fellow mongers, I said, sure let's see about that oil massage. That proceeded normally. She was not overt, but she wasn't shy about brushing my junk as part of the massage. Just a hardworking masseuse. Didn't seem to notice or mind that I was getting a bit stiff from time to time. She was a 7 at best, maybe 32+, but she had a nice touch and vibe about her, and we chatted a bit off and on. Anyway it was a very good oil massage and worth the 1400 on its own. Though really a 1000 NT dry massage does me fine also.

Finally after the massage ended, she patted my groin and said something in Chinese, not sure I heard it or understood it, maybe "does your little brother need a massage". Anyway the intent was obvious, so I nodded my head enthusiastically. She asked how much I would pay her, and I had kind of forgot the prices, so I asked her how much she wanted and she said 500, which was okay with me under the circumstances. So she came back later, sat down on the end of the table, and went to work on me, with lots of oil, and kind of a deep massage of well my taint.

Dunno if 500 is about right. Or if an oil massage is mandatory to have the extras offered. I think in general they want to upsell. Anyway, good experience all the way around.

Main lesson here is, taxi drivers know the area, if you speak a bit of mandarin or have a photo on your phone of what you're looking for. We really could use this more to ask them where the sex is. Just ask for "xiao jie".

[Kerfuffle]

You're referencing the building on the southwest corner of Gungzhou and Huaxi St for going up right? It's across the street from the tourist night market.

The Google street map view shows 4 sets of vertical signage on the building for I think beauty shops starting on the 2nd through 7th floor.

Any floor recommendations?

Can't say for sure that there's only one singular building on that sidewalk. And the one referenced was not on the corner per se, but more toward the middle of the block. But believing that if what you are noting is one of the main ones, then we are talking about the 7th floor for "hottie" momo, and the 6th floor for slightly less so ladies, plus there may be more as this report info isn't necessarily comprehensive but rather kind of a snapshot collection of impressions. Seem to recall that more than one such storefront exists, but as you've shown, google maps street view is your friend. In any case, you seem to have a good grasp of details, but strolling down that sidewalk would clarify it for you. When one walks at street level on the sidewalk covered by shop awnings it's not usually the case to look up at the vertical signage on the building facades. But remember that in those momo shops, YMMV in terms of who's working at any given time, whether they're hot or not, etc. (there might not be anyone at all, or the street-level soliciting girls will bring customers to their affiliated shops that may or may not have others working inside, plus there can be more than one such shop on a given floor. It all seems very fluid and it's not always easy to remember location details in such a densely populated and active neighborhood) , and not to be surprised that even a "hottie-staffed" (in the realm of 7s) shop will have one to several seemingly superfluous granny- and grampa-aged staff member MMS / PPS types. Also as noted, the light of day brings out some nice momo girls, but in the past some semi-attractive ones have been seen at night in past months at shops in lanes off the north side of Guangzhou St off of Snake Alley, but there's lots of activity day and night in the lanes off the south side of Guangzhou St. so maybe YMMV in terms of your experience and impressions. Walking around the area a couple of months apart meant reorienting oneself with the environs, but it was noted that some shops open and close during different hours and times, etc. Sorry to be less than precise, but hope this helps.

Mongerers have fairly free reign to walk around and check out the goods, and to walk away if necessary. But should be aware that in doing so, they're fair game for the aggressively touting WGs / momo girls in the vicinity, and that the pushiest ones [to the extent they will physically grab and steer customers into the building (s) ] are congregating on the sidewalk outside that and possibly other such buildings on the south side of Guangzhou St. But maybe that's part of the fun? They (and you) know why you're there.

Also note the ST hotel on the 11th floor of the building on Xiyuan Road. In the same building two storefronts to the right of the Hi-Life convenience store, where a cute WG attempted to steer a monger after praying and being chatted up at nearby LS temple. However, YMMV if mongerers choose to use such facilities there and elsewhere in the neighborhood, where sanitariness may be an issue for some (speaking particularly after taking a quick glance up the dingy entryways and stairwells where the more haggard neighborhood SWs linger outside to bring mongerers).

In any case, it's interesting what goes on; lots of activity in the neighborhood. Even the street-level momo shops in the lanes to the north of Guangzhou St have provocatively dressed middle-aged (if one's lucky, upper 30s at the low end, but often in their 40s and 50s, etc.) women in the middle of the day, but they often are straight-up serving tea in the open to elderly male customers (as are the shops in the lanes south of Guangzhou St). Maybe that innocuous activity sustains their business between more mongering-oriented episodes? Who knows. (That's why, as previously mentioned, a FAQ / cheat sheet on the LS neighborhood activities would be helpful. Still, as previously mentioned, the area scene is friendly enough and receptive to foreigners, but it would be helpful to know better the expectations, even if unspoken, that the momo shops have of their customers, and vice-versa.) For better or worse, it's all definitely a cultural experience and a funky chance for local fun!

[Gone Around]

But continuing the circuit going west on Guangzhou St from the temple, crossing Xiyuan Road intersection and crossing over to the left side of Guangzhou is where you'll begin to find oodles of momo teashop ladies on the street, ranging from 3 to 6s on a scale of 10, hanging out not far from their respective shops and trying to snag passing customers.

You're referencing the building on the southwest corner of Gungzhou and Huaxi St for going up right? It's across the street from the tourist night market.

The Google street map view shows 4 sets of vertical signage on the building for I think beauty shops starting on the 2nd through 7th floor.

Any floor recommendations?

[Kerfuffle]

Longshan area tends to be more user-friendly and less hectic on a weekday from the late morning to early afternoon; checked it out recently on a nice weather day and was impressed by the difference from the mega-scamming evening scene that takes place amid the nightmarket (the evening sees greater crowds, overall bustle as well as foot patrol LE coming out of their nearby station, which LE doesn't seem to do to such an extent in the day). Bear with me as we make a circuit of the general environs coming out of the MRT:

https://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=Longshan+Temple&fb=1&gl=us&hq=longshan+temple+mrt&cid=17935641996312190090&ei=SWCxUtqQK6TgyQGv74DgDg&ved=0CJYBEPwSMA4.

A foreigner made a counterclockwise circuit of the area coming out of he MRT exit in the lower left of the google earth picture (sorry, don't know the exit number). One can see many haggard SW on Kanding and Xichang, but walking all the way to Guilin Road and continuing counterclockwise coming back to LS temple itself via Xiyuan Road, there are a couple at least worth looking at for a double-take, if not actually doing P4P. There're actually some Momo teashop girls ducking into the temple itself for a quick daily absolution of their sins that can be chatted up for ST hotel action. But continuing the circuit going west on Guangzhou St from the temple, crossing Xiyuan Road intersection and crossing over to the left side of Guangzhou is where you'll begin to find oodles of momo teashop ladies on the street, ranging from 3 to 6s on a scale of 10, hanging out not far from their respective shops and trying to snag passing customers. Actually, despite some ladies being a tad aggressive in this regard, there were a few out there midday who were a notch up and definite maybes in terms of attractiveness. While one attempted to herd a customer into a nearby elevator, said customer noticed that other, more attractive ladies (in the 6s to 7s range) were not even making an effort to solicit business -- but were using the same elevators in the building to head to their own momo shops. It must be assumed that they, being superior in quality, don't need to do the street-level solicitation and likely rely on regular customers who seek their shops out. Other ladies also a notch up in attractiveness were doing their marketing and vegetable shopping on that same, south side of Guangzhou St during that morning and midday period, but were decidedly not up for P4P, even though they seemed very local and knew all the regular street food and produce vendors, as well as the momo ladies hanging around.

So to test that theory of hotter, unheralded momo shop ladies, a foreign customer allowed himself to be herded into an elevator by a street-level momo lady but ditched her in favor of a hotter lady right in the elevator and went up to the hotter lady's shop. It appears that foreigners who are polite and respectful (Chinese-speaking is best, but no discrimination was experienced for a Japanese / English speaker) will have no mongering problems anywhere in the district. Prices cited ranged from 1000NT for straight-up FS to a la carte momo service for 500-800 to start, on up to 2100 for momo time and BJ, with chicks ranging from 3 (your grandma) to 8 on a scale of 10.

All that said, even though a foreigner experienced no impediments to checking out the area and being welcomed into the scene, I would like to ask if any brothers would be so kind as to offer an updated "quick and dirty cheat sheet" on pricing, negotiation and what further to expect in the momo scene, to get the best service and avoid unnecessary overcharging, if and when one is being lulled into a false sense of security as a mongering foreigner ("like, wow, we can enter the shops to play, but are we really getting the best deal?"). RTFF was done in this case, but even though the momo system has been around for a while, there's still not lots of in-depth, specific and current info on the topic. The ladies and their momo establishments seem pleasant and receptive enough to foreigners, but we wonder about the whole potential of the momo shops and whether there's undue expectations about what to expect of the momo ladies and how far they will go for what price/time involvement, and just about the system in general. A hearty thanks for anyone willing to offer their current take on those issues.

In any case, that summarizes the daytime scene, which also ranged among the back streets on both sides of Guangzhou St (to the south of Guangzhou St -- where the bulk of such action lay, and where the WGs tend to stay seemingly according to some tacit agreement with LE so as not to disturb the public order -- as soon as a customer would walk into a local shop on that south side of Guangzhou, the WG would stop and refrain from following inside, though the WG would pester customers who browsed merchandise on the sidewalk outside of the actual buildings -- as well as the north/Snake Alley side of Guangzhou St where momo shops exist, but seem to be more spread out among the various lanes). Despite the occasional hustle of WGs trying to make money, the late morning to midday timeframe had hotter chicks willing to serve and was definitely more relaxed and friendlier in a general sense than when one returned at dusk / 5 pm on a Saturday and did the same circuit over a three-hour span. Nighttime brings a more intense, lively atmosphere associated with the temple and nightmarket, however it must be noted that you can't visually see the ladies as well in the dim evening light of the area environs, which is to your detriment when considering playing with those aged 40 and above. Whatever's going on at LS temple area, day or night, is well known and is definitely no secret to the local denizens. All in all, a very interesting, colorful scene, but for all the reasons mentioned above, in one's humble opinion, it's all probably more manageable and beneficial from a mongering standpoint during daylight hours.

[Tabasco72]

If you do get tired of trying to find action in Taiwan, there's always Angeles City in the Philippines. It's a $ 100 Air Asia round trip and $ 20 a good time.

Go for the weekend, come home with a stupid smile stuck on your face.

Not any more. Air Asia cancelled flight Taipei-Angeles.

[Ragnarok42]

You ain't getting into the "One floor one Phoenix" without connection. Pure and simple. And it's a waste of time trying to pry anything out of the senior members here.

Wrt Caesar's, it's just $4200 (4300 if you want to shoe shine) a pop.

Just to clarify:

1. Yes you DO need a connection or referal to get in.

2. They only take asians and mostly only Chinese speakers only. Sorry to all the non-Chinese brothers but I don't set the rules.

3. I WILL make a referal and am happy to do so. I myself was introduced by another brother but I can only do so if you PM me. I cannot share any information on the open forum for obvious reasons.

[Kerfuffle]

daiwan,

good follow up.

trunner's description and directions were terrible. i also went searching for this place and came up empty handed.

it is so easy to give a street address and number. i looked at the street signs in the area and all have in english.

i hate to say it but i am suspicious of trunner's report.

hunt

hate to get down on people who offer up info but agree regarding the poor directions, especially after also trooping around the shin-kong skyscraper-mitsukoshi complex area with multiple 7/11s to no avail in the weeks before daiwan posted. i've also attached a separately searched google map depicting the location of all ten 7/11 stores located in the vicinity of taipei main station to illustrate the point: now if trunner would be so kind as to specify which of the 7/11s he is referring to and/or and confirm the image uploaded in daiwan's post, it'd be great (on my attached google maps image, the 7/11 that daiwan seems to be referring to in his photo is location "b," rather than location "a" as depicted in the google maps image he linked to). thanks if anyone can clarify.

[CyclistBigD]

For Linkou, were you getting lucky at places on the west or east side of the freeway? It seemed the places in downtown Linkou and then near Renai and Wenhua 3rd were pretty legit massage places. Set fees and services, uniforms, multiple people in one room, and maybe a curtain's separation. Never did anything on the Changgung side though. Once, year's back, I thought I saw WG outside one of the drive in hotels, but by the time I swung back through she was gone.

Have had any luck at places at the bottom of 105 and 1? There's several massage shacks there that I would figure is plenty of 1200 massage and HJ action potential.

It's usually the $1200 for 2 hr special that offers a HE. Most Thai massage places are legit, but if you ask once in a while they'll do it for 500 bucks. It's really not difficult to find in the Chang Gung side. There are a few on the Linkou side now. There are at least two on WenHua 3rd Road. And one on WenHua 2nd road in Linkou side.

[Gone Around]

In my personal experience, I haven't done any FS, just a simple HE. I believe those can be found anywhere. There are plenty of massage places that offer those. I've lived in XinZhuang, YongHe, and Linkou. All of these places are on the outskirts of Taipei, but there are plenty of these MP that offer these services. Even if you want to just do a massage, they insist on giving you the extra service because they want to earn tips from you. Usually the massage is horrible, occasionally you do stumble on those that are good at giving a massage.

For Linkou, were you getting lucky at places on the west or east side of the freeway? It seemed the places in downtown Linkou and then near Renai and Wenhua 3rd were pretty legit massage places. Set fees and services, uniforms, multiple people in one room, and maybe a curtain's separation. Never did anything on the Changgung side though. Once, year's back, I thought I saw WG outside one of the drive in hotels, but by the time I swung back through she was gone.

Have had any luck at places at the bottom of 105 and 1? There's several massage shacks there that I would figure is plenty of 1200 massage and HJ action potential.

[Chowmaidong]

You ain't getting into the "One floor one Phoenix" without connection. Pure and simple. And it's a waste of time trying to pry anything out of the senior members here.

Wrt Caesar's, it's just $4200 (4300 if you want to shoe shine) a pop.

Rag: I'm not saying I know everything. I'm saying quite the contrary. I'm saying why can't the Taipei board be more straight forward with information. Many members on this board act like they are in a secret club and won't share info. It's rude to tell a newbie to read the fucking forum when they just ask about the market. Maybe that guy is in town for an unexpected weekend trip and doesn't have hours to browse through page after page of boasts about dating or inane conversation.

Look at other forums like Thailand. Why can't we at least have a better reports of distinction? If you look through my post history you will see I have tried to give information more than a few times and I pretty much never get responses to any inquiries. I see other people make inquiries and they are told to RTFF. Maybe this forum could become more of a bastion of information if people were more friendly and forthcoming. Then more people would read and contribute.

For the sake of giving info and also asking some, I know there used to be a place in Momo World a few floors under Ceasar's world with model quality girls. I heard rumors that the price was outrageous though. Does anyone have any info about that?..

[Frank101]

I've hanging around in that area for the past few days. One day, around 11:30AM across the street from Far Eastone, I was approached by a papasan. He was telling me about all sort of girls he had for 2k. I told him I was meeting up with some people, and I don't have much on me, he quickly dropped it 700. Has any had any experience in that area like that?

You might want to be careful on this, some of the girls are not even over 18 and can be a trapper. And many of these girls sometimes are not aware that they have STD. My recommendation is not to take it.

[Frank101]

I've hanging around in that area for the past few days. One day, around 11:30AM across the street from Far Eastone, I was approached by a papasan. He was telling me about all sort of girls he had for 2k. I told him I was meeting up with some people, and I don't have much on me, he quickly dropped it 700. Has any had any experience in that area like that?

You might not want to try that. Some of the girls may not even be over 18 and can be fishy. I had approached by this kind of man near Ximeng area as well.

All the best.

[Blitzr]

I've hanging around in that area for the past few days. One day, around 11:30AM across the street from Far Eastone, I was approached by a papasan. He was telling me about all sort of girls he had for 2k. I told him I was meeting up with some people, and I don't have much on me, he quickly dropped it 700. Has any had any experience in that area like that?

[CyclistBigD]

Hey guys,

I've been on this forum on and off for the past few months. I think I'm probably one of the few people on this forum that the RTFF term doesn't apply to me, especially I've literally read almost all the pages from the beginning to the present. However, some of you have made a point that this forum tends to be "elitist" or secretive. I do partially agree. I've actually never been to any of these places, but I do enjoy reading your sexploits. I do want to mention this, that even after reading almost all the pages in this forum, if I really wanted to look for places like Caesars, JinHua, Private-X and etc. I would have to go back through the forum and spend several hours reading through each of the postings. Now if I'm really desperate, I would go and do just that. Yet, I believe that certain senior members can be more helpful to those that are uninformed.

In my personal experience, I haven't done any FS, just a simple HE. I believe those can be found anywhere. There are plenty of massage places that offer those. I've lived in XinZhuang, YongHe, and Linkou. All of these places are on the outskirts of Taipei, but there are plenty of these MP that offer these services. Even if you want to just do a massage, they insist on giving you the extra service because they want to earn tips from you. Usually the massage is horrible, occasionally you do stumble on those that are good at giving a massage.