Taipei

[Amazake]

I had some shitty experiences in Wanhua, not going to lie. But you have to take the place for what it is. Once you get more familiar with how things work there, then you will find some beautiful and genuinely skilled providers.

Just like Amazake said, it's a low-budget street food place where you can grab a quick bite. There's a good chance that on some days you just won't find what you are looking for. If that happens, I'll usually just go home and call it a day. Yet there is lots of variety and a pretty steady flow of fresh talent from TH or VN. They will usually stay for 2 weeks and return for a couple of times per year. If you find one you like, ask for her LINE and she'll be happy to message you when she's back in town. This way you'll have a pool of reliable providers over time.

Stay safe and have a great day!

Well, it was bound to happen, as Analyzer123, and LennyLein brought up in the past few days, "a shitty experience in Wanhua. ".

While walking through Huaxi, gullible me forgot that you can't believe a word some of those wicked older SW's say.

One darted out and I refused her as always. But, she pulled me over and offered 600 all in. The price was too good to refuse. I questioned her extensively on the terms and she was excited and pleasant and compliant in the street, like a used car salesman smoking a cigar, throwing in a new radio and a paint job. But, as the quote goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. " And, that applies to this situation.

Immediately upon entering the room, because I only had a 1 k bill, handed it to her and she refused to give me my change and tugged on my pants to get started with the deed. She was like a whirlwind of confusion. I insisted on my change of 400, and tried to appeal to her sense of honor and implored her to keep her deal. She begrudgingly gave me back 300, keeping an extra hundred. This was going south fast. The guy comes in with water and she orders me to pay him 100. I told her to pay him. She became enraged like a pit bull.

Yanked on my manhood, started the HJ to the tune of her berating me, moaning and complaining, non stop berating me. I told her to just complete it, and I will be gone. She went back to work with one hand and I felt her other hand in my pocket, trying to steal my wallet. When I pulled her hand out she got even angrier, like my wallet belonged to her and she was only rescuing it.

Then she left me in limbo, let me erection deflate, refused to continue without giving her the full 1 k. I reminded her of her street promise of 600, at least 10 times. Tried to get some of my money back and leave. She was grabbing at my wallet as I clenched it. I had no discipline to just leave, so I tolerated the continuous argument hoping to just finish and I could leave. She offered a BJ for the full 1 k, and full service. I agreed on the BJ. After all that, full-service with her was not desirable to me. She did not want to use a condom. I insisted. Buried her head in my crotch and there was finally serenity and peace because her mouth was full and she could not speak, and I was allowed to put some nice pressure on her bobbing head. She got the job done. Was angry about the pressure on her the back of her head. But the ordeal was over.

Totally my fault for trying to grab a bargain. My regulars there are honest and abide by their word. Honestly speaking, we parted company kind of chummy, thanking each other. No use in being angry. Her's is a plight for survival. I do understand that. Her motive is to bring you in under the guise of a bargain and wear you down with complaints while your pants are down until you submit to her financial desires. That is the way of some of the Huaxi ladies, but not all. So, be careful.

[LennyLein]

He has a wild imagination. The actually experience in Taiwan including wanhua is shitty. Useless downright ugly Hags or spinners with no interest or skills whatsoever.

I had some shitty experiences in Wanhua, not going to lie. But you have to take the place for what it is. Once you get more familiar with how things work there, then you will find some beautiful and genuinely skilled providers.

Just like Amazake said, it's a low-budget street food place where you can grab a quick bite. There's a good chance that on some days you just won't find what you are looking for. If that happens, I'll usually just go home and call it a day. Yet there is lots of variety and a pretty steady flow of fresh talent from TH or VN. They will usually stay for 2 weeks and return for a couple of times per year. If you find one you like, ask for her LINE and she'll be happy to message you when she's back in town. This way you'll have a pool of reliable providers over time.

Stay safe and have a great day!

[Amazake]

He has a wild imagination. The actually experience in Taiwan including wanhua is shitty. Useless downright ugly Hags or spinners with no interest or skills whatsoever.

You have to see the Taiwan scene for what it is, and take it with a grain of salt. Make the best of it.

What is available, while not being prime rib, is still still basic meat. And, scraps of meat can still be rendered "tasty" if you prepare it right, stew it maybe.

I am no expert. I know nothing of what is done electronically. From what you younger guys report on this site, quality and youth is available at prices I am unwilling to pay. Hence, Wanhua, albeit not Las Vegas, is an alternative.

I never went to places like Caesars or the like, Linsen North Road, and seldom visit the higher end spas.

I am relegated to the streets of Wanhua, mostly. Yeah, it's mostly "junk food," if you may. But, it's the only game in town for myself. So, I take it for what it is and make the best of it. I surely ain't savvy enough to hop flights to Vietnam and Thailand, Philippines and the like, and play around learning and testing those streets. I only have where I am, and I make the best of it. I study what is before me. I am okay with it all. I am happy to have this outlet. I am not fussy. I don't need the "crème de la crème. " The "girl next door" has always suited me just fine. She gets just as hot as any princess when tickled right and treated with respect. She unleashes her nectar and passion, not because of me, (sometimes in spite of my presence) but because she is a natural woman designed by nature to do that. My "imagination" cannot succeed or impede her natural sexual process. I pay to be there!

Many times, I find nothing, and I just go home. I am not operating on a wealthy budget. I learned to survive on simple fare, a bowl of rice and whatever side dishes are available.

Huaxi is for old men, stocked mostly with old women. That being said, I have still found girls there in their twenties. Sometimes I am just lucky, but mostly because I just keep on, methodically, plodding, panning for gold, which for most is archaic, especially for the younger guys buying mail order brides off the internet. I am still willing to "pan," like an old grizzly geezer prospector, convinced that "there's gold in dem dar hills. ".

And, after sifting endlessly through many scoops of water, mud, sand and dirt, I usually, eventually, by the end of the evening, come up with some "pay dirt," just a flake or two of usable gold. For a guy on the cheap and going pretty often, that is the only way I know how to do it.

A girlfriend might be a better route for some, but the entanglement is stifling. I have already suffered that experience many times. I have never won. They want your soul. Wanhua only wants your spare change.

I don't go to Huaxi much, because it can be a jungle, with older women abducting you, offering bargain basement prices, and then upping the ante in the stinking, rotting tearoom, which for this "romantic," is pure ambiance. But, if I know a girl there and we can get it on and she looks decent, albeit older, and she sticks to a price, this older foreigner will not be fussy and actually thrive and enjoy her company. I am not ashamed to admit that some of those women treat their repeat customers pretty grand. Their appreciation and wanting to keep a client, boils over into giving you time and attention.

However, the Diamond Building and Xichang Market are a different story. They saw better days, but, if you are willing to survey the area, walk around for an hour or two, enjoy the hunt, there is no doubt that you will find girls in their twenties from nearby nations, visiting Taiwan to make some money. Yeah, many are moms in their thirties that I turn away from. But, you will find young pretty girls, diamonds in the rough. The only problem is, if they are too young and petite, they turn this westerner down. So, I keep on searching.

You say it is only my "imagination. " I can't agree with you on that. What I will say is that the pretties are few and far between. So, you have no other choice, if you want the 1500 special, to be calm, long-suffering and willing to devote time and effort to the process of finding someone to your liking.

I am certainly not going to pay many thousands of Taiwanese dollars for a service, especially if I need to go often and I actually do enjoy the hunt. The hunt for me is interesting. I am patient in that respect, because I enjoy watching the girls, the scene, the vendors, the culture, the food, the night out on the town. The hunt for girls reveals many tangential discoveries about Taiwan, the neighborhood, and its peoples.

Once I find a girl, she could be a dud, but I will make the best of a bad situation, and derive at least some pleasure from her. But, predominantly, I find that when a man and woman finally feel safe together, make the deal, the facade falls away, and hormones and nature takes its course, and you can't really add or subtract from the power of that basic mating thrill and instinct. It has the jungle quality at its root, but can be tweaked by your human input. It is not "imagination," as you put it. It is "sex! It is appreciation that you have an agreeable girl / woman in your grasp and you are performing the act of sexual intercourse with her. That, by itself, needs nothing added to it or embellished upon by "imagination. " No imagination or contrivance can really affect that. If there is chemistry, there is sexual pleasure. I know of no way to "imagine" into being what is not "actually" before me.

Your point, I think, though, is that I describe my experiences with too many scented flowery terms. But, honestly speaking, sex with a woman, for me, is pretty exciting, fulfilling and satisfying. It's so visceral and real with no dependency on any "imagination" whatsoever.

I never said that Wanhua is a monger's paradise. But, if you don't mind searching, you will find.

You, yourself, have assisted me with many pointers on the Taiwan and Wanhua scene. I appreciate your generosity.

I contribute my experiences here, as it might assist others, as so many others in the Taiwan thread have assisted me.

[AsiaFever]

Anyway, no need to be greedy. Hopefully, it's not my last day on planet earth. I had enough, anyway. My 40-something Mainland Chinese old-school lover, while certainly not a fast and furious partner, gave me a powerful wave of bliss to ride home on.

Magical. There should be a documentary about your encounters, they really do sound great and the girls do like you as well.

[Amazake]

Went to Wanhua in serious need of a woman. Back a few days was rejected by three top-notch young Thai providers who ran from this foreigner as if I was Jack The Ripper.

Psychological Complex set right in due to rejection. (woe is me! Dr. Freud? Dr. Phil? God? Anybody at all?

So, that past experience was plaguing me.

Hit the park across from the holy Longshan Temple which is now overtaken by the Thai overflow from the Xichang Market. And, saw a familiar gait. She gained some weight, but no problem, because she was once painfully too skinny. Haven't seen her in a year. Decided then and there that the search was over before it started.

But, being mischievous, and her not seeing me yet, I scooted past her so she could only see my back and my gait.

Bingo, I hear her huffing and puffing, running after me. I acted shocked, and told her that I was shocked to see her, which I was. Told her that I come everyday looking for her. (well, not every day, but I have been looking for her) And, finally, "I was worried about you! To which, she fought back tears and embraced me in the middle of the open air park to be shown in every cinema at a theater near you, internet and television. And, I really am not seeking that genre of infamy.

But, what can I do? I did share the same emotions. After all, we have been together countless times, being energetically very well paired.

Went back to her apartment and made love for about 45 minutes to an hour, non-stop. Supposed to be 20 minutes, but we both could not stop. And, she gave me the standard 1500 rate for old-times sake.

She probably has enough of a clientele base now to avoid street walking and competing with the Thai insurgence in the park. She gave me her phone number for the umpteenth time. But, allowing her access to my phone number is not a good idea. She might decide to call me when business is slow. I go out to these areas only at my own leisure, convenience and schedule. And, even though she satisfies me always well beyond my wildest dreams, because she is, with no doubt, a relentless, skilled, compassionate lover, I do love some variety.

After our endless hugging and very affectionate goodbyes that would make a romantic soap opera yawn in disgust, we departed.

Not wanting to waste that fantastic post-sex magnetic afterglow, I waltzed on over to the Xichang Matket to see what was available. I felt happy and carefree. Approached a young possibly Vietnamese girl. (not as young as the three Thais that I was rejected by) She said she would do me for 2 k, and in no way looked intimidated by me. (that sexual afterglow is quite powerful and compelling, and better than even an expensive aftershave lotion) I refused and countered with 1500. She refused.

Anyway, no need to be greedy. Hopefully, it's not my last day on planet earth. I had enough, anyway. My 40-something Mainland Chinese old-school lover, while certainly not a fast and furious partner, gave me a powerful wave of bliss to ride home on.

[Chichichi]

It's been over 5 years since I've visited. Can anyone advise what's still good or changed?

Is Ceasar's World still open and running? I knew an old cheaper sauna in Taoyuan, "Dihao Spa" but Google maps says it looks to be closed. Know of any others?

Is there still Yuki's outcall?

How about shacks?

Foreigner friendly KTV?

[AsiaFever]

Hey I'm back in linkou next week for a little bit. I have no idea how JKF works and I cannot read chinese. Any recommendations?

Google translate can help with that site, if you're using Chrome browser.

[Jizzme]

Hey I'm back in linkou next week for a little bit. I have no idea how JKF works and I cannot read chinese. Any recommendations?

[Amazake]

Listen up, men.

Was surveying the Longshan scene on Saturday, and it was a carnival!

The temple was overflowing, bustling with visitors, the faithful, the monks, the chanters, calligraphers, tour buses, foreigners, locals, food everywhere, et cetera.

And the girls, something for everyone. And, not all second and third tiers. There were plenty of first-round draft picks. (It's the NFL playoffs, so please forgive my metaphors).

Yes, there were lookers, and boy oh boy, did I look. Spotted a Thai "peahen" of such rare beauty and youth. It was her or nothing. She refused me. I begged her, but to no avail. Broken-hearted, although there were plenty of runner-ups, I could not be consoled, nor move on. Very young with no miles. Well, no use in crying over spilt milk. I did my best.

However, let me just say, this was quite a night. Girls were not merely hanging around. They were falling off the shelves. The local boys were all around, out and about, courting the girls to their rooms. And, I watched my precious Thai, stollen by a Taiwanese gentleman who obviously was more appealing than myself.

Now, you western boys, I must confront you all, because I saw plenty of you out there with your smartphones, AI-ing the gals. Lots of westerners mongering in the streets. More than I have ever seen before.

Must be in preparation for the Lunar New Year Celebration that brought everyone out, coupled with it being Saturday night. I mean, I just have not seen such action in a long time. Saw four or five lads scoop up the same number of girls in one-fell-swoop.

And, as far as law enforcement, well, everybody was given a free pass to celebrate the night away.

If any of you boys were out and scored, step forward and please report. Your input adds great value to the thread.

[Amazake]

Calling it a "park" can be confusing to newcomers, since its not a typical park with trees and stuff. Its just a public concretized area.

Yeah, you are right. Not many trees in the area. And, it has so many names. Just a few: Mengxia Park, Mengjia Park, Bangka Park, Mangka Park, Longshan Temple Park, Manga Park. And, you probably can add to the list. Many homeless in that area. But, hot meals are constantly provided, along with bakery items.

[Amazake]

And this means 20 mins one shot?

Good question, but, unfortunately, I can't answer. At my age, I am not firing a fast loading automatic weapon. I am operating more a slow loading musket firearm. Takes me at least 20 minutes, if not longer to get off a round. And, by the time I reload, the cows will be coming home after being out to pasture. Sorry for the inarticulate analogy, but I am sure you get my point.

Some girls give you the full 20 minutes, and probably will accommodate a second round. Because, that certainly is implied in the oral contract. But, if a girl is unwilling for any reason, unfortunately, there is no Customer Service desk or Better Business Bureau to air your grievances.

Possibly, it is better to get that straightened out that you require two shots in twenty minutes in the negotiation stage before entering the room. That way, she is prepared to accommodate you.

[Amazake]

And how much is service in average?

Thank you a lot!

Predominantly the price is usually $1500 NT. In Huaxi it is around $1000 NT, but, they like to tap you for extras, for tea, et cetera. But, in Kangding, it is the standard 1500. However, there was a period where they wanted 2000 and more, especially for a foreign guy. I never pay more than 1500, on principle alone. I have been offered odd figures like 1200,1800. There is an older lady in the park who does like a $500 HJ in a tea house. But, she goes out of her way to make it as unpleasant as possible.

So, prices vary. Basically it is between $1000 NT to $2000 NT, with $1500 NT being the most common. But, I was quoted $3000 NT, to which I burst out laughing, and she looked relieved that I did not accept. Basically, she was saying that she doesn't like foreign clients.

[Dwein]

And this means 20 mins one shot?

[Amazake]

And how much is service in average?

Thank you a lot!

Predominantly the price is usually $1500 NT. In Huaxi it is around $1000 NT, but, they like to tap you for extras, for tea, et cetera. But, in Kangding, it is the standard 1500. However, there was a period where they wanted 2000 and more, especially for a foreign guy. I never pay more than 1500, on principle alone. I have been offered odd figures like 1200,1800. There is an older lady in the park who does like a $500 HJ in a tea house. But, she goes out of her way to make it as unpleasant as possible.

So, prices vary. Basically it is between $1000 NT to $2000 NT, with $1500 NT being the most common. But, I was quoted $3000 NT, to which I burst out laughing, and she looked relieved that I did not accept. Basically, she was saying that she doesn't like foreign clients.

[Amazake]

Was at LST last night after visiting Huaxi Night Market.

Saw a ton of street walkers standing along the side of that "flea market" that takes place behind the Diamond Building. Most were pretty trash, but there were a few that look pretty worth it. Wondering, does anyone have any idea if it's possible to negotiate to goto a nicer hotel for a "rest" instead of back to whereever they're operating out of?

Of course, anything is possible, and there are pimps around to tailor your needs. And, I have met certain girls with an apartment lease as opposed to these "rooms" who accommodate longer stay, and even "the night. ".

But, all that is more rare. The area is a quick turnaround area. The girls form a certain clique, or sisterhood with their fellow countrywomen from their country of origin. They make their deal with you, and their sisters congratulate them on catching a fish, everybody usually laughs jovially if you are a western foreign customer. Her friends are marking the time for their sister's safety. You and she perform your "blessed act" for around 20 minutes and are rudely reminded by her set alarm. After which, she receives a call (s) from her sisters checking in her state. You might get a quick shower, and you might leave first, or together, and she returns to the sorority for a debriefing. If you are a foreigner, oftentimes the sisterhood waiting for their sister's return are all chuckling and excited to hear about oddities of the session compared to their more routine Asian clients' session.

But, there are also "lone wolves" in the area with no sorority to return to. Usually mainlanders or Taiwanese. They have a different vibe. Less in a hurry, calling their own game, no one to report to. But, they are more rare. I do enjoy their demeanor more. They are more relaxed and want to keep a client and a few minutes more and even a little massage and a leisurely genital wash, before and after, are performed.

And, as with any relationship, "chemistry" oftentimes determines the quality and extra amenities in any given session. If she likes you, the "hurry" is replaced by savoring the session, and that magical metaphorical "doorway" opens, and your session transforms from a hump and dump to a loving relatedness with a very open loving human being.