Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[AussieDoug]

Any thoughts on where to get bareback in Bangkok? It seems gogo girls are not too keen on it. And neither are massage girls since they do so many guys in a day.

I have not used a rubber in Thailand in the last 15 years, easy to get.

[ParkVille]

Yeah often times when I get red bumps on my penis, it's just an external irritation, not an STD. For example, I had a single red bump that would become more red after sex but mostly be invisible. It turned out, that the inter-netting in my swim trunks were abrasive (cheap) and caused this mere irritation (contact dermatitis). Certainly had me worried at first.

Contact dermatitis - "Some rashes look like an allergic reaction but really aren't, because your immune system wasn't involved. Instead, you touched something that took away the surface oils shielding your skin. The longer that thing stayed on your skin, the worse the reaction. It's called irritant contact dermatitis. ".

[Syzygies]

New to this. I had been with 2 girls in Bangkok, one had condom on for the blow job. Other asked me if I needed, with absent mind said no. Now have some sort of pimples on the penis head, some sort of infection. So guys please always condom on for all kind of services.

Have been applying some cream to get rid of this, has come down 80% but not eliminated completely.

After thousands of Bare Back blow jobs, many of us never saw any pimples on penis head, so we are not going to change now.

We have no clue what is your problem and sounds like you don't know either. What Creme? LOL. If your chemist gave a creme it probably means he knows something likely which is probably not an STD.

If was me, I would really like to be sure what it was. Tests to confirm in clinic?

[Simian]

New to this. I had been with 2 girls in Bangkok, one had condom on for the blow job. Other asked me if I needed, with absent mind said no. Now have some sort of pimples on the penis head, some sort of infection. So guys please always condom on for all kind of services.

Have been applying some cream to get rid of this, has come down 80% but not eliminated completely.

All sorts of things will give you pimples, including even certain kinds of condoms. Rather than asking for a blind diagnosis from the forum (they cannot see what your problem is), why not make an appointment and show a medically qualified practitioner what the problem is and take it from there?

[Banana Boi]

I had been with 2 girls in Bangkok, one had condom on for the blow job. Other asked me if I needed, with absent mind said no. Now have some sort of pimples on the penis head, some sort of infection.

Had booked Rebecca from smooci for day one <snip> Had booked J-NET, was nice but had most fun with her, compared to Rebecca.

Which girl did the BBBJ and caused your problems?

[BenZw126]

New to this. I had been with 2 girls in Bangkok, one had condom on for the blow job. Other asked me if I needed, with absent mind said no. Now have some sort of pimples on the penis head, some sort of infection. So guys please always condom on for all kind of services.

Have been applying some cream to get rid of this, has come down 80% but not eliminated completely.

[Old New Guy]

Lots of good data here, I wanted to say thanks guys.

[PinkPearl]

I didn't see a statement in that link about greater potential side effects including death for males aged over 26 years. Maybe I missed it. Is there one?

Since there have been no research studies re the HPV vaccine & males over 26, as per the link, I don't expect you'd find info there on the related side effects in that age group. Anything I've read on side effects concerns allegations of young girls getting seriously ill, dying, etc. Sixty year old men tend to have weaker immune systems than the young people who usually get the vaccine.

"Flu shots or other vaccines may not work as well or protect you (old codgers) for as long as expected" relative to the young.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/004008.htm

[EihTooms]

snip
"There are no data from efficacy trials in males aged over 26 years. "

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6305a1.htm

OTOH the potential side effects of older people taking such a vaccine are greater than with the young. Worst case scenario being death.

I didn't see a statement in that link about greater potential side effects including death for males aged over 26 years. Maybe I missed it. Is there one?

[PinkPearl]

That is actually a pretty poor article in relation to it just makes recommendations for age groups, but explains little about the reasons for age group recommendations. It is not intending for people to understand at all to make there own informed decisions. It also ignores complex science involved, especially relating to strains of HPV, some of which are considered less dangerous.

That page from the highly authoritative CDC was obviously just a brief summary. If you refer to the CDC search engine or related links, both on the same page, there is much more info to be found, such as:

"Efficacy and Immunogenicity Among Persons Aged over 26 years".

"HPV4 is not licensed in the United States for use in persons aged over 26 years. One randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of HPV4 was conducted in 3,819 females aged 24 to 45 years (140). In the end-of-study analysis, per-protocol efficacy against HPV 6, 11,16, and 18 persistent infection, related CIN, or external genital lesions was 88.7% (95% CI = 78.194. 8) (141). There were few CIN2+ events (one case in the vaccine arm and six cases in the placebo arm of the trial). In the ITT analysis, efficacy against vaccine type-related persistent infection or disease was 47.2% (95% CI = 33.558. 2), but efficacy was not demonstrated against CIN2+: 22.4% (95% CI = -42.558. 3). One month after the third dose, seropositivity to HPV 6, 11,16 and 18 was 98%, 98%, 99%, and 97%, respectively. At month 48, seropositivity was 92%, 92%, 97%, and 48%, respectively. GMTs were lower than those among females aged 16 to 23 years. There are no data from efficacy trials in males aged over 26 years. ".

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6305a1.htm

I the odd older guy gets a cancer or spreads HPV to a girl that gets a cancer, that is just a statistical anomaly, outside the major target area.

OTOH the potential side effects of older people taking such a vaccine are greater than with the young. Worst case scenario being death.

At almost 60 years of age, I won't be bothering with the HPV vaccine. For elderly guys our age, I'd suggest instead the vaccine against shingles.

[Crocodilexp]

Where would you go for cheap HIV Test?

Red Cross at Rachadamri road, across from the north-eastern corner of Lumpini park. Website: http://en.trcarc.org.

They offer anonymous testing very cheap, I think it was 200 baht or so for HIV. Results available after 1 HR. It's a bit crowded, but they're clean, organized and professional.

Edit: EihTooms already answered this. Sorry for duplication.

[Syzygies]

Regarding HPV vaccinations it is not recommended for guys our age:

https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine.html

That is actually a pretty poor article in relation to it just makes recommendations for age groups, but explains little about the reasons for age group recommendations. It is not intending for people to understand at all to make there own informed decisions. It also ignores complex science involved, especially relating to strains of HPV, some of which are considered less dangerous.

We come to realise that other age groups are only excluded due to concerns about the cost effectiveness, low rates of people protected against cancers compared to those vaccinated, and that older people are more likely to be already exposed the viruses rendering the vaccinations potentially too late. Very much related to statistical probabilities and also the belief that vaccinating all girls and gays is enough to halt the spread of sexually transmitted HPVs. I the odd older guy gets a cancer or spreads HPV to a girl that gets a cancer, that is just a statistical anomaly, outside the major target area.

I offer these alternative a bit more informative sites:

http://www.hpvvaccine.org.au/parents...aspx?link=home

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccines

Interesting to me that although, I don't have genitals warts to my knowledge at any time, it is quite possible to have been exposed to the viruses with no symptoms. HPV is described as the common cold of sexual diseases so everyone is likely exposed to them. I have certainly had warts and papilomas on other parts of the body, when younger, although none as a child to my memory, probably due to lack of direct contact with anyone else having them. Don't know precisely how these viruses were contracted. Could it have been via sex or kissing most likely?

Apparently "Senile warts" are not related to HPV.

[John Dough]

I was not aware there were useful vaccinations for males of advanced age, like us. I thought HPV Gardasil was only for girls below a certain age. I once took a Tulip girl to get her vaccinated, due to the significant risks. Wasn't cheap at a hospital.

The HPV vaccine is only recommended for girls of a certain age because that is the test data submitted to the FDA. It can still be useful for older men if you haven't already been exposed to the strain of virus in the vaccine, but your insurance won't pay for it.

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article...he-hpv-vaccine
Regardless of age, you'll probably still get at least a little protection.
The current version of the HPV vaccine covers nine different strains of the virus. The odds of having been exposed to every single one of these strains is low, even among people who have had several sexual partners. Sadly, it's impossible to know precisely how much benefit you'll get because we don't currently have an HPV test for men
The reason this vaccine is only recommended for people under 26 has nothing to do with safety. In fact, we know it's safe for older folks because, in some countries including Australia this vaccine is recommended up to age 45, at least for women. in a series of threes shots that cost $150-200 each. In total, I spent just over $600 for mine.

https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/20...s-it-worth-it/
Currently the HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccines are approved in the United States up to the age of 26. This has nothing to do with safety but due to the fact that the studies submitted to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) involved this age range. There is nothing wrong with getting the HPV vaccine over the age of 26, although in most countries that will mean you have to pay for it yourself. It just means the older you are the less likely you will get the full protection as the risk increases with age that you have already been exposed. Since two doses seems to be as effective as three a strategy for women over the age of 26 who are paying out-of-pocket might be to consider 2 doses

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...accine/258611/
Drug maker Merck's study of women 24-45 did show that the vaccine protects those with no prior exposure to the nastiest HPV strains
the CDC recommends the vaccine just for females ages 11 to 26 and males ages 11 to 21. What about the newly single 28-year-old who has had only two, long-term relationships? Or the 50-year-old divorcee who starts dating again after 20 years of marriage?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/750749
Men are at risk for HPV-related disease, and yet even though there is a clear and proven medical benefit for vaccinations in boys and men, the cost effectiveness remains controversial.

[PinkPearl]

Can you tell us more about the "tests re immunity to HIV" you mentioned? Where, how much does it cost, how reliable is it presumed to be and so on?

Three reports on these subjects were posted earlier this year in this same thread. A search with my user name & the word immune brings them all up.

In addition to the site previously mentioned, here are some leads re possibly legitimate testing elsewhere:

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index...results.28913/

http://www.cureaidsreport.org/ccr5-delta-32-registery/

http://thegeneticgenealogist.com/200...-and-smallpox/

Where would you go for cheap HIV Test?

Red cross or places poor Thai people use, I suppose. I'm sure many of your ladies of the night could tell you.

I use expensive Bumrungrad hospital which is a convenient 10 minute walk from NEP since it is located near my hotel & I don't want to spend a lot of time travelling to unknown areas of the city. Girls are impressed that I take them there. First time they have to get a Bumrungrad card. After that it takes about 1. 5 hours on average from arrival at the hospital to receiving printed HIV test results. While waiting there are shops & restaurants on the hospital property to enjoy in an air conditioned atmosphere full of eye candy. Or one can send them with cash to get it done by themselves & bring the results to one's hotel room.

Regarding HPV vaccinations it is not recommended for guys our age:

https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine.html

[John Dough]

I am circumcised & usually used coconut oil for lube & as a barrier against STI.

I was infected on a few occasions with minor STI that were easily treated.

Going forward I would consider using the antiviral gel available with Dual Condoms, as mentioned in a recent post. Just the gel, not the condom.

Perhaps you could try adding zinc oxide powder to your coconut oil to increase the antimicrobial action. Then you might not need the antiviral gel.

http://www.thedermreview.com/zinc-oxide/

Zinc oxide is a chemical compound that is thought to have been used in health and skin care applications for millennia. the oldest and the closest reference is believed to be the description of a healing salve, used to treat the eyes and open wounds. In todays medicine, zinc oxide is generally used to address skin damage, like burns or scars; irritations; and may even act as a protective layer on the skin to lock moisture in, while keeping pathogens out.

http://www.dermascope.com/resources/...odern-benefits

Zinc oxide helps to aid in tissue growth and healing and is a natural antiseptic and antibacterial agent. It heals epidermal wounds and burns and treats and prevents skin rashes. This ingredient also protects against microbial pathogens. As a natural astringent, zinc oxide reduces acne-causing bacteria and minimizes pores. Zinc oxide protects against UVA and UVB light rays and is often used as a natural, non-toxic sunscreen to prevent photoaging and wrinkles. Due to the minimal risk of allergic reactions it is considered benign and safe for the skin.

http://thecoconutmama.com/coconut-oil-sunscreen/
Coconut Oil Sunscreen Recipe
Ingredients
1/2 Cup Virgin Coconut Oil
2 Tablespoons Non Nana Zinc Oxide
Instructions
Whip coconut oil up in a mixer or food processor.
Carefully add the zinc oxide (you don't want to inhale it!)
Once the oils and zinc oxide are mixed well pour them into a small container.

http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/al...-simplex-virus
In test tubes, zinc is effective against HSV-1 and HSV-2. In one small study, people who applied zinc oxide cream to cold sores saw them heal faster than those who applied a placebo cream.