Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[NicFrenchy]

Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.

I am interested... what does Mano a mano really means? you're gonna ask Jimmy "the Nose" to beat him up?

[Lover Boy #2]

I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.

"It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy".

[Vito Corleone]

Lost sensation? LOL! Maybe you should try what I suggested first and see if it works. I guarantee it will. Then another "fuck the condom" advocate will be converted and cease being a menace to society.

For you to say "if that works" suggests it could, so why wouldn't it work for you if you put some work into it? A man is a man and a dick is still a dick. Therefore, please, spare me the different strokes baloney.

I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better. So quit being so selfish & ignorant.

I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.

[M P Lurker]

I think so because every farang I know goes bareback, and every girl I've spoken to says that many or most farangs prefer bareback. I've even often overheard farangs asking girls 'no condom ok?'. I've never run across any girls stating that Thai men want bareback, but as I said my information about Thai male preferrences comes more from what my Thai 'friends' and colleagues say. These gentlemen from the middle classes are well indoctrinated in the pusillanimous pro-plastic orthodoxy.

Well of course, no one uses condoms in non-P4P situations, do they?

They won't have any return/regular customers if they don't do bareback. That is, in the farang industry.

Well some of Opebos comments were laughable, perhaps not all. I will admit to not being a total expert on low class places as I don't go there. I also never request bareback penetration.

Of course plenty of people are using condoms in non P4P casual sex these days. But this is obviously one of the primary situations for aids spread when they don't.

But how is that the lower class Thais get HIV (more frequently) and spread it to their wives. Obviously they were not forced to wear a condom when they were playing up. Did they get all this extra sex for free? Unlikely.

[Lover Boy #2]

As for the final point about hookers in their 40s being "without ill effects".. it depends what you mean by without ill effects.. HIV true, it's hard to catch, but I highly doubt you would find any of them without herpes, one or more strains of HPV, and other gotchas which don't leave. I didn't even mention Hep C oops. If you're OK with that then good.. or if you have them already so be it. HIV isn't the end all and be all.

This is the bottom line IMHO. One working girl friend of friend was telling me that she uses a condom with 95% of her customers.....she was worried about the 5% she was getting so excited with that she was going bareback (or that offered more money, I don't know the real truth). She is a nympho working in a BKK soapy. After she leaves the table, her friend.......looks at me and says; "She already has a promplem.......malang in her pussy". Just what I wanted to hear......no sex for me for at least a week because of thinking about this exchange. She was probably referring to HPV, as it can cause cervical cancer. Girls who are getting exposed daily to the full range of disease, eventually will catch something...if not HIV.....something....and "something" is not good if your penis is deeply entrenched in that disease.

[Lover Boy #2]

I think so because every farang I know goes bareback, and every girl I've spoken to says that many or most farangs prefer bareback. I've even often overheard farangs asking girls 'no condom ok?'. I've never run across any girls stating that Thai men want bareback, but as I said my information about Thai male preferrences comes more from what my Thai 'friends' and colleagues say. These gentlemen from the middle classes are well indoctrinated in the pusillanimous pro-plastic orthodoxy.

Nothing negative intended, but it is interesting to see how this works out. I know about 16 farangs very well, have partied with them......and yes, have even had the orgy scene where we are at a guys house and a big sex scene breaks out with both P4P and rarely non-P4P women. Not one guy has gone bareback. Not one has discussed going bareback.....all make sure that there is a good supply of condoms and lubricants available. I have been in my room...and a guy knocks on the door...."got any condoms"? I don't know one guy risking this (hpv, herpes, genital warts, bacteria infections, etc......forget about HIV if you like)....and everyone you know is taking this risk....seems a bit weird.

[Goyave]

Lost sensation? LOL! Maybe you should try what I suggested first and see if it works. I guarantee it will. Then another "fuck the condom" advocate will be converted and cease being a menace to society.

For you to say "if that works" suggests it could, so why wouldn't it work for you if you put some work into it? A man is a man and a dick is still a dick. Therefore, please, spare me the different strokes baloney.

I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better. So quit being so selfish & ignorant.

Sorry, but you can provide all the "proofs" you want, but with or without extra lube inside the condom, the sensations (in my own case) are better without a condom... it does not mean that I'm advocating uncovered sex (and I won't go bareback with girls whom I don't know for sure their STD/HIV health status), but what you're saying is just untrue (again, at least in my own case).

[PinkPearl]

Different strokes for different folks. If that works, then more power to you. Maybe you jerk off too much & lost sensation. The raw feeling of a wet juicy pussy feels way better than any condom trick. To me, BBBJ is feels much better than a cbj, but the feeling of raw intercourse is just off the hook!

Lost sensation? LOL! Maybe you should try what I suggested first and see if it works. I guarantee it will. Then another "fuck the condom" advocate will be converted and cease being a menace to society.

For you to say "if that works" suggests it could, so why wouldn't it work for you if you put some work into it? A man is a man and a dick is still a dick. Therefore, please, spare me the different strokes baloney.

I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better. So quit being so selfish & ignorant.

[Freeman 418]

Some of that info I found correct.. other parts not so.

Not every farang (me included) does go bareback.. some guys do happen to have significant others besides hookers in their life.. and do this as a part-time thing or on occasion only. Others might have a nasty or two, and don't feel comfortable blessing the world with it.

It is true I've had many girls where I had to offer to get the rubber out first.. maybe because I look clean (misleading), or like you said they want return customers.

Which leads to the next point.. more often then not, they don't get return customers.. unless you get the 1 in 100 actually living there or doing regular trips. For myself, I might visit twice a year, and even then I generally want to sample new pussy, rather than return to old and tried pussy.. so even if I get 10/10 service, I'll still try something new.. and I suspect a lot of guys are like this as well.

As for the final point about hookers in their 40s being "without ill effects".. it depends what you mean by without ill effects.. HIV true, it's hard to catch, but I highly doubt you would find any of them without herpes, one or more strains of HPV, and other gotchas which don't leave. I didn't even mention Hep C oops. If you're OK with that then good.. or if you have them already so be it. HIV isn't the end all and be all.

And I don't want to put a damper on things, but you won't be meeting or reading about the 40+ year old hookers who did get HIV.. you're only meeting the ones who got through P4P in the last decade.

I think so because every farang I know goes bareback, and every girl I've spoken to says that many or most farangs prefer bareback. I've even often overheard farangs asking girls 'no condom ok?'.
They won't have any return/regular customers if they don't do bareback. That is, in the farang industry.

Oddly enough, not so, Mick. The chance of transmission is so small from ordinary vaginal sex that there are a great many old ladies in their forties who have had bareback P4P sex for decades with no ill effects.

[Opebo]

Why do you feel the girls are going bareback with farangs? (without the farang even requesting it or offering more money) I have garnered the exact opposite information from girls dealing with Thai's....they claim all the guys want to go bareback....and will argue about this for a long time insisting that they are "clean".

I think so because every farang I know goes bareback, and every girl I've spoken to says that many or most farangs prefer bareback. I've even often overheard farangs asking girls 'no condom ok?'. I've never run across any girls stating that Thai men want bareback, but as I said my information about Thai male preferrences comes more from what my Thai 'friends' and colleagues say. These gentlemen from the middle classes are well indoctrinated in the pusillanimous pro-plastic orthodoxy.

Thai men are well known to not like to use condoms when having sex in non-P4P situations

Well of course, no one uses condoms in non-P4P situations, do they?

HIV is likely to be prevalent in the very low class illegal Thai venues, where "anything goes".

No, the small cheap brothels are extremely condom-insistent, Mick. The one exception used to be the few in certain towns that are staffed by non-Thais (illegal immigrants), where maybe 20-30% or so of girls used to be amenable, but now even those are almost 100% condom-insistent.

I do find it hard to fathom why girls would risk their lives for a few extra Baht when they don't really need to.

They won't have any return/regular customers if they don't do bareback. That is, in the farang industry.

Based on law of averages, if a girl keeps doing bareback with many guys, she will get AIDs sooner or later. Its her fate.

Oddly enough, not so, Mick. The chance of transmission is so small from ordinary vaginal sex that there are a great many old ladies in their forties who have had bareback P4P sex for decades with no ill effects.

[M P Lurker]

I have to note, MickL, that when I visit the Thai-oriented venues, condom insistence is nearly universal, and it is extremely difficult and rare to be able to talk to girls out of it. By contrast girls who deal with farangs regularly are much less insistent, and often even 'go for it' bareback unasked.

Thai men are well known to not like to use condoms when having sex in non-P4P situations, unless all the Thai girls are lying to me. The Thai men may well be forced to use condoms in better class MPs. They probably don't waste their time requesting not to use one when they expect to be denied. Farangs can be devious and use fingernails to break condoms on purpose.

HIV is likely to be prevalent in the very low class illegal Thai venues, where "anything goes". Any guy that is considered to be a probable frequenter of such places will probably be viewed as extra high risk even if they are Farang.

So I'm am sure some girls in a higher class Thai oriented place are viewing yourself to be just as a high risk as the Thai men. Maybe the girls are just obeying the "rules" with guys they don't know well too.

I do find it hard to fathom why girls would risk their lives for a few extra Baht when they don't really need to.

But the better educated the girl, the more likely to insist on condom use, I would think.

Based on law of averages, if a girl keeps doing bareback with many guys, she will get AIDs sooner or later. Its her fate.

If she does it with just a few high class men, she might remain lucky.

Establishments with regular health checks should be greatly preferred by us as less risky than totally uncontrolled places.

[Lover Boy #2]

I have to note, MickL, that when I visit the Thai-oriented venues, condom insistence is nearly universal, and it is extremely difficult and rare to be able to talk to girls out of it. By contrast girls who deal with farangs regularly are much less insistent, and often even 'go for it' bareback unasked.

I can also report that all my Thai acquaintances and mongering pals are very stringent about condom use, even to the point of stressing out about the occasional BBBJ afterwards. I've even had them ask me afterwards if they might've gotten hiv because they kissed the girl. Of course I only know middle class Thais, but my impression is that the condom propaganda is very widely accepted in this land nowadays.

As for farangs, I think it is safe to assume that few spend thousands of dollars on a trip to merely prod a plastic appliance. They spend, take time off work, and undergo arduous travel in order to have sex with actual girls.

The contrast here is that the Thais just go for a local P4P act maybe once a month or so, and its no great hardship as there is no travel or time off work expense to deal with. So in that way their expectations are kept very low. Secondly, Thai men are in general radically more potent than we aging farangs, and find it very easy to maintain interest and an erection with one of those vile implements donned.

Why do you feel the girls are going bareback with farangs? (without the farang even requesting it or offering more money) I have garnered the exact opposite information from girls dealing with Thai's....they claim all the guys want to go bareback....and will argue about this for a long time insisting that they are "clean".

[Opebo]

Meanwhile every village has both Thai men and women plentifully dieing of AIDS. It should be well known by now that Thai men (at the risk of being a bit sexist) playing up without condoms that is the chief cause of HIV spread these days.

I have to note, MickL, that when I visit the Thai-oriented venues, condom insistence is nearly universal, and it is extremely difficult and rare to be able to talk to girls out of it. By contrast girls who deal with farangs regularly are much less insistent, and often even 'go for it' bareback unasked.

I can also report that all my Thai acquaintances and mongering pals are very stringent about condom use, even to the point of stressing out about the occasional BBBJ afterwards. I've even had them ask me afterwards if they might've gotten hiv because they kissed the girl. Of course I only know middle class Thais, but my impression is that the condom propaganda is very widely accepted in this land nowadays.

As for farangs, I think it is safe to assume that few spend thousands of dollars on a trip to merely prod a plastic appliance. They spend, take time off work, and undergo arduous travel in order to have sex with actual girls.

The contrast here is that the Thais just go for a local P4P act maybe once a month or so, and its no great hardship as there is no travel or time off work expense to deal with. So in that way their expectations are kept very low. Secondly, Thai men are in general radically more potent than we aging farangs, and find it very easy to maintain interest and an erection with one of those vile implements donned.

[Seydlitz]

On the other hand, the public health people are yelling that we are at great risk. I think they are exaggerating but that doesn't mean that they are completely wrong. The problem is that we might ignore what they say because they exaggerate, and then find ourselves HIV-positive one day.

Well, it is their business. They are not going to play down anything that helps them enhance their own importance or their ability to secure public funding. As they say, turkeys do not vote for Xmas, and if they could they would also raise issues with rich food, booze and the overall obnoxiousness of being with close relatives during the festive season, not to mention the risk of drunk driving on icy and snowy road conditions etc.

Besides, being tested HIV positive is not necessarily the end of the world. You can always question the validity of the test or claim that there is no such thing as HIV in the first place, as some do, or that HIV does not case AIDS, as others say; or that if it does, it needs something else as a co-factor (as Prof. Duesberg believes). Even if HIV exists and causes AIDS, you may find yourself in the large group of people who are healthy carriers, ie. HIV positive but otherwise healthy, and that for the rest of your life (unless anti-HIV drugs kill you, that is). Even if you develop one of the 26 or so illnesses that, joined with HIV, define AIDS (that is what it is, a syndrome, not a specific disease), you can always be treated for that particular disease, with various chances of success.

No matter how you see things, HIV/AIDS is a gospel. It is necessary to swallow it all, no questions asked, because if you start asking questions, the whole thing begins to fall apart, leading to other questions and spiralling doubts. After so many billions of tax dollars spent on it over 25 years, the least you would expect would be to have a clear, comprehensive and undisputable understanding of what it is what causes it etc.

[Goyave]

I did an HIV test today. Someone here in another country wrote that they knew that a girl that I knew was HIV-positive. I don't know if it's true or not, but the easiest thing was to just get tested. The last time I had the test, I did it privately and it costs about $125 and I had to wait two days to get the results. This time I went to a public facility and they gave me the OraSure test and I had my results -- negative -- in 20 minutes. It was free and there was a counselor there to talk to me after.

I recently went to a public hospital with one Thai girl and we both did an HIV rapid test for 300 baht per person (same price for me and for her). Results (both negative) were obtained (approximately) one hour after the samples were taken.

About heterosexual persons having contracted HIV/AIDS, I know a few Thai men and women who did, but I can't say for sure whether or not they have had other risky habits apart from having unprotected sex.