Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Thomas9]

My question is about oral sex and condom use. I read and understood that the vast majority of people receive and give oral sex without a condom, I think it feels risky, not only in terms of HIV, but other sexually transmitted diseases. Can you who are more experienced help me understand how you think and reason. I'm going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the first time soon and don't really know how to approach it.

It's all down to personal risk tolerance. Some people are afraid to leave the house. Others enjoy skydiving. Some avoid sex before marriage. Others like to enjoy regular BBFSCIP with strangers.

Taking an international flight in itself carries some risks, including long term health risks. And then there's the risk of taking a taxi in Thailand. Not to mention the air pollution in Bangkok.

My advice would be to read up on the risks (ideally from somewhere with scientific backed data, rather than anecdotes on this forum), and then weigh the risks and make your decision. I imagine factors such as age, existing health conditions, whether you're married, etc. Will affect your appetite for risk.

I will also say that I expect you will be heavily tempted to cross a few of your own personal lines once you are in Thailand.

Know the risks, prepare, but also: enjoy!

[PPeterr]

Hi,

First post on this forum, but I've read a lot and really appreciate everyone's willingness to share their knowledge and experiences. Thanks for that.

My question is about oral sex and condom use. I read and understood that the vast majority of people receive and give oral sex without a condom, I think it feels risky, not only in terms of HIV, but other sexually transmitted diseases. Can you who are more experienced help me understand how you think and reason. I'm going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the first time soon and don't really know how to approach it.

Thanks for all the experience.

[Vendelo]

Anyone know of any reputable STI clinic in Pattaya?

Haven't engaged in any unprotected FS, but have done plenty BBBJ. Have a bump on the johnson, hopefully is nothing, but I want to make sure of it.

Any info helps.

Thanks.

Is it the size of a pinhead? It may multiply quickly. HPV filiform wart. Doc will burn it off.

[CaliGuy33]

Anyone know of any reputable STI clinic in Pattaya?

Haven't engaged in any unprotected FS, but have done plenty BBBJ. Have a bump on the johnson, hopefully is nothing, but I want to make sure of it.

Any info helps.

Thanks.

[EihTooms]

Excerpt from study.

"Factors that may decrease the risk include condom use, male circumcision, antiretroviral treatment, and pre-exposure prophylaxis. None of these factors are accounted for in the estimates presented in the table."

This is somewhat confusing. I may be misinterpreting but it seems that the study didn't take into account condom use which is what we are discussing.

Over to you ET.

The comment about what may increase or decrease "risk" of transmission is standard and necessary. It is also separate from the topic of the studies, IMO.

As I read it, all of those figures are based on "exposures", which is defined in the first sentence of the report this way:

"The risk of getting HIV varies widely depending on the type of exposure or behavior (such as sharing needles or having sex without a condom)."

As is the case with every other act listed in that report, such as needle sticks, an "exposure" would mean direct contact without protection.

If they actually studied sexual acts and published results where they had no idea whether 10% or 100% of the respondents had been using condoms with every act or never with any act of Oral, Anal or Vaginal Sex asked about, they would have no basis on which to suggest one takes a higher or lower risk to wear one.

[Franciscass]

I don't know about the SFCITYCLINIC.ORG source regarding the risk of various STDs per sex act but the Center For Disease Control produced a list showing the risk of getting HIV per sex act with an HIV-Positive partner. See link below.

For example, a man would have 4 chances in 10,000 or, put another way, 1 chance in 2,500 acts of bareback Vaginal Intercourse with an HIV-Positive woman of being infected by HIV (or engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with 2,500 different HIV-Positive women, I suppose).

However, those figures don't account for co-factors such as whether or not the 1 case out of 2,500 exposures involved a man who was circumsized, did he have an open sore on his penis while engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercouse with his HIV-Positive partner/s, perhaps from another STD infection or, for that matter, how about the possibility that 1 or more gay men per 10,000 survey, research and study subjects simply lied about his being heterosexual and how he must have gotten HIV from engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with a woman and certainly not from engaging in bareback Receptive Anal Sex with an HIV-Positive partner or 10.

According to these CDC studies, the risk of a male or female being infected by HIV from either giving or receiving bareback Oral Sex from an HIV-Positive partner is too Low to warrant a number.

Excerpt from study.

"Factors that may decrease the risk include condom use, male circumcision, antiretroviral treatment, and pre-exposure prophylaxis. None of these factors are accounted for in the estimates presented in the table."

This is somewhat confusing. I may be misinterpreting but it seems that the study didn't take into account condom use which is what we are discussing.

Over to you ET.

[NicFrenchy]

Hi,

Any good ladies out there on smooci who are ready for bb?

Before vilisa, phirin and jaajaa used to be ready for it, but those ladies haven't been available after the pandemic.

I'm not sure they will openly admit it bud I guess more than half the ladies would be ok to BB, and the other half would for a fee.

Maybe not on the first visit, but once they "know" you and feel comfortable.

[StirlingArcher]

Hi,

Any good ladies out there on smooci who are ready for bb?

Before vilisa, phirin and jaajaa used to be ready for it, but those ladies haven't been available after the pandemic.

[Pokeris]

Ordering through this page went very well, also during the pandemic. But now they seem to be offline.

Do you know what happened to them? Or have another reliable source?

I use this website to buy before. They are reliable and good prices.

https://www.greencrosspharmacy.online/prep-en

[DzikaBomba]

Prep can be used in the same way as Pep, but since you are worried you might as well go Prep all the way & never worry again.

They deliver directly to the hotel, give it 5 days or so since they come from India.

https://getpreponline.com/shop/

If you are paranoid & must get it right away, go the prep clinic 60 Silom Road next to Boots near Al Saray restaurant, same price but you have to pay extra money for the kidney tests & HIV test.

Ordering through this page went very well, also during the pandemic. But now they seem to be offline.

Do you know what happened to them? Or have another reliable source?

[Bad Duck]

Some time ago when I was touring Bangkok, I had the unfortunate event of dealing with the stress of a torn condom. What a nightmare it was because my immature self did not know how to react. I was scared, alone, and felt hopeless. I had to do a lot of research to find the right help and this forum had people come out to give me some advice too. It was a scary time and I know that there are other people that feel the same. I just wanted to say that if you ever go through the same ordeal of a broken condom, first don't panic. There's a lot that can be done so relax. Today while browsing around, I found a great link that can help anyone understand what needs to be done if your condom breaks and how to go about testing yourself. It's not as scary as you think it is.

https://www.bangkokpunters.com/bangkok-hiv-test/

Without the help of this forum, I have to say that I would have been lost. I'm back to safe mongering in my homeland, Mumbai.

I'm more than happy to chat with anyone on PM if you need any advice.

[EihTooms]

The Czar seems to have left the forum long ago, Ill contribute what little I remember.

SFCITYCLINIC.ORG publishes a good chunk of STD material. They once had a chart that listed various sex acts and stated how likely it was to transmit various STDs from an infected partner to the uninflected partner. Although I can no longer find that chart, I remember that there is a low transmission rate of HIV from female to male for vaginal sex. It did not state that straight men cannot get HIV from women.

If anybody can find that chart now, I would appreciate a link to it.

I don't know about the SFCITYCLINIC.ORG source regarding the risk of various STDs per sex act but the Center For Disease Control produced a list showing the risk of getting HIV per sex act with an HIV-Positive partner. See link below.

For example, a man would have 4 chances in 10,000 or, put another way, 1 chance in 2,500 acts of bareback Vaginal Intercourse with an HIV-Positive woman of being infected by HIV (or engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with 2,500 different HIV-Positive women, I suppose).

However, those figures don't account for co-factors such as whether or not the 1 case out of 2,500 exposures involved a man who was circumsized, did he have an open sore on his penis while engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercouse with his HIV-Positive partner/s, perhaps from another STD infection or, for that matter, how about the possibility that 1 or more gay men per 10,000 survey, research and study subjects simply lied about his being heterosexual and how he must have gotten HIV from engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with a woman and certainly not from engaging in bareback Receptive Anal Sex with an HIV-Positive partner or 10.

According to these CDC studies, the risk of a male or female being infected by HIV from either giving or receiving bareback Oral Sex from an HIV-Positive partner is too Low to warrant a number.

Estimated Per-Act Probability of Acquiring HIV from an Infected Source, by Exposure Act*
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

[HorseTrader]

Your below article makes an interesting reading. I am scared to go bareback even though there is lot of desire for the same. All these years I have used condoms. Can you please provide me a link to the article you mentioned that "There was a study done in san Francisco, it was proved straight men can't get HIV from women". I would appreciate the same.

I would also be thankful if punters can provide some more inputs on going bareback. I know it is all one's risk but may be newer research throw more light on the subject.

The Czar seems to have left the forum long ago, I’ll contribute what little I remember.

SFCITYCLINIC.ORG publishes a good chunk of STD material. They once had a chart that listed various sex acts and stated how likely it was to transmit various STDs from an infected partner to the uninflected partner. Although I can no longer find that chart, I remember that there is a low transmission rate of HIV from female to male for vaginal sex. It did not state that straight men cannot get HIV from women.

If anybody can find that chart now, I would appreciate a link to it.

[Sinofaguo]

"There was a study done in san Francisco, it was proved straight men can't get HIV from women". I would appreciate the same.

There are plenty of studies showing you have statistically less chances getting HIV as a man having vaginal sex with a woman, than the woman does having sex with you. Just like there is less risk for the woman recieving vaginal sex than from a gay person recieving sexual intercourse up his ass.

That being said no one can claim "it is proved straight men can't get HIV from women" because there are plenty of HIV positive men whom are not gay or junkies and don't partake in anal sex.

The woman with whom you'll have sex is not a robot. Most studies are based on a representative scope of the population, yet the woman you have sex with can have a profile with a much higher risk (which changes the stat which applies to you when you have sex with her).
For instance you statistically have more chance of getting HIV from a WG who has unprotected sex with multiple partners daily than with a girl who's had limited partners in her life.
For starters she has more chances of having other STDs with sores and such which give a higher risk of transmitting and catching STDs such as HIV.
Being a WG she is more likely to have prolonged rough sex with multiple partners before your time comes with cuts and bleeding which makes vaginal then risky.
If you have anal sex with that WG again you are at risk since anal sex provokes frictions, cuts and bleeding (which is why Gay people are at risk).

Theres not only HIV but many others STDs, some which you can catch at your first uncovered intercourses which will help HIV transmission at a future uncovered sexual intercourse with the same or another HIV positive lady.

Again men are not immune to HIV. There are scenarios which lower your risk a lot on a statistical point of view and other which will raise your risk.

[FunExplorer]

Your below article makes an interesting reading. I am scared to go bareback even though there is lot of desire for the same. All these years I have used condoms. Can you please provide me a link to the article you mentioned that "There was a study done in san Francisco, it was proved straight men can't get HIV from women". I would appreciate the same.

I would also be thankful if punters can provide some more inputs on going bareback. I know it is all one's risk but may be newer research throw more light on the subject.

As a dermatologist / infectologist, I would say.

Truvada is a medicine to prevent hiv from HIV negative people.

Truvada is also a medicine to treat HIV. It must be used together with other medicines for hiv positive people. Truvada is more often used in Gay community.

Serious side effect.

Worsen hepatitis and some other viral diseases if you have.

Truvada may cause sever liver problem, sever kidney problem, sever bone problem, too much lactid and acid in your blood, changes in your immune system, it may affect some types of immune system..