Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Duniawala]

Few years ago there was a report about certain people in Africa (women, I believe) who tested positive for HIV antibodies but never got the disease itself. I forgot who published the report but I am sure googling will find it.

[Gladiator]

This is interesting. An individual was tested positive for antibodies that are linked to HIV and later was tested negative. There are two ways to explain this.

a. This fortunate individual owns a body that has been able to eradicate singlehandedly not only the deadly virus for which there is no known cure, but also all trace of the antibodies to that virus that made him test positive in the first place.

b. The HIV tests are unreliable.

In science, the easiest explanation is often the best one. In all fairness, if the second test had been run consecutively rather than after a long time, this would have been called a "false positive" and the lucky guy would hav been told he was OK right away.

The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription.

There is definitely something fishy about the whole AIDS theory.

Yes, that’s interesting, but let’s not forget that this case was diagnosed by the British NHS, one of the most disorganised and inefficient health services in the industrialized world, so I find it hardly surprising.

Chances are the tests were flawed when he first tested positive and that went unnoticed by the NHS till one year later. There are a number of reasons why an HIV test can fail, especially in the NHS, where blunders abound.

Think of it this way: What is more likely: a blunder by the British NHS or that this Scottish guy has an immune system capable of destroying, for the first time in medical history, the HIV virus?

[Seydlitz]

Seydlitz,
So 20 million (source: Elsevier) aids deaths in Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Cambodia and other extremely poor countries were all caused by very expensive 'dreadful drug cocktails'?
You are kidding, right?

You are totally right. Deaths in the Third World cannot be attibuted to tritherapies atc. But AIDS in the Third World is a different thing than in the rich countries, if only in definitions. My comment was appropriate only for us rich boys.

In the US, you need two Elisa and one WB test positive to be HIV positive. In the Third World as per the WHO definition agreed upon at the Bangui Conference, no need for tests; you only need clinical symptoms (fever, dysenteria, etc.). Unfortunately these symptoms are regrettably common in Africa and elsewhere.

It is likely though that if tests were administered to African patients many too would turn positivee, but that would not mean much since their bodies are loaded with antibodies for hosts of tropical diseases.

My point here is not that AIDS does not exist nor that HIV causes it , just that the antibody tests are non-specific, and therefore unreliable. Let's not turn this into an AIDS debate, just one on the tests.

As a matter of considerable surprise for most people, AIDS in Africa is a different thing since it is non-gender specific (50% male and 50% female victims), while AIDS in the US and Europe never broke out to the general population and remains confined to the initial risk groups. I am talking of AIDS cases, not HIV infections.

[Freeler]

Seydlitz,

"The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription."

So 20 million (source: Elsevier) aids deaths in Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Cambodia and other extremely poor countries were all caused by very expensive 'dreadful drug cocktails'?
You are kidding, right?

[Coma Boy]

Here's the story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4432564.stm

He must be fucking happy.

[Seydlitz]

13/11/2005 12:02:50 PM
( Source: Reuters)
Man claims to have beaten HIV virus
LONDON (Reuters) - A man claimed on Sunday to be the first person to become clear of the HIV virus, which can lead to AIDS, after earlier testing positive for it.

This is interesting. An individual was tested positive for antibodies that are linked to HIV and later was tested negative. There are two ways to explain this.

a. This fortunate individual owns a body that has been able to eradicate singlehandedly not only the deadly virus for which there is no known cure, but also all trace of the antibodies to that virus that made him test positive in the first place.

b. The HIV tests are unreliable.

In science, the easiest explanation is often the best one. In all fairness, if the second test had been run consecutively rather than after a long time, this would have been called a "false positive" and the lucky guy would hav been told he was OK right away.

The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription.

There is definitely something fishy about the whole AIDS theory.

[007sam]

This Soi 33 BG can be found at The Office. She has herpes and claims she takes holiday when she is in outbreak, which is false. She speaks perfect English and has many sending her money. Someone on this site could be the next victim. Just warning fellow mongers. Peace.

Will I spoke to Bob at The Office recently and she is MIA.

[Wilpower]

This Soi 33 BG can be found at The Office. She has herpes and claims she takes holiday when she is in outbreak, which is false. She speaks perfect English and has many sending her money. Someone on this site could be the next victim. Just warning fellow mongers. Peace.

[Dinghy]

ah, yes, "safety" from a "short term perspective"

(cb - this is not intended at you, just responding to the "premise")

as to robbery - personally, i use a motion sensitive 120db computer theft alarm that would wake the entire floor so someone would notice what was happening (aside from the fact that i also put "cash" into the lockbox - so it's safe there)

i don't quite understand some folks - if you have concerns about drugging, you don't drink anything you haven't opened then you drink it all and another party never gets their hands on it. (particularly important when dealing with 3-somes) it's either that or have her take a drink first (find some simple excuse to offer it to her. if she won't drink it - caveat emptor). i seem to recall some discussion long ago and far away about rohyphenol (the "date [CodeWord123] drug" - the "mickey finn" - might have munged the spelling) on tits where you would get a knockout dose when you licked (easily cured, of course, by "ap-nam duay" - make sure you well wash anything you want to lick)

too much thinking with the "little head" - and as to the guy who got "rolled" for the 40000b ($1000us) why was he so stupid as to be toting that much cash anyway? undoubtedly, he was also dealing with a beach road lady (no contact info, no work location, no longer in pattaya after departure (at least for the following month or so)) if i get rolled, they will get at most 3000b (mostly in small bills - that's the most i tote at one time, usually less) plus my cyber-dictionary (if they want it), maybe my laptop if i am carrying it and didn't lock it up (yeah, it's the potentially "expensive" loss, maybe $750 us) and whatever clothes they want to carry (assuming they get by the audio alarm and hit the "clean" bag instead of the "laundry" bag) of course, i doubt that most would wnat anything "large" - it makes them too "obvious". another option is to take a picture of her and her id and then lock up the camera - at least then there would be a "starting point".

at least it doesn't happen that frequently. (or in any event isn't reported that frequently)

[Freeler]

Coma,

"I guess it is a good idea to practice taking such drugs recreationally so as to build up a slight immunity."

!

Deep Diver,

Was 'your friend' also taken for a ride by some guys who claimed they knew where to play a cardgame with nuttin' but gain?

[Coma Boy]

The only time someone attempted to drug me it just gave me an intense and very weird high.

I stayed conscious through the sex, had the girl leave, and then for some reason wandered the streets in a daze and somehow arrived back home and passed out. Felt very strange for the next 24 hours.

I guess it is a good idea to practice taking such drugs recreationally so as to build up a slight immunity.

[Yi Ren]

It happens all the time. And not just in TH, all over SE-Asia.

It's not the first I've heard of it either - and as you say, Coma, not just in LOS.

Exactly why I do not carry with me excess cash. When in hotels, I lock the balance in the safe; when here at home (BKK), have locking drawers where I keep cash, cameras, etc.

But sorry to hear of another episode....

[Coma Boy]

Now I have not heard this happeneing in Thailand...

It happens all the time. And not just in TH, all over SE-Asia.

[Big Kev]

OK I had a friend who just came back from thailand and told me that this story happened to him and It sounds a bit strange to me so I would like some input as to if this was real or not.

My friend picked this SW up outside a local bar and took her back to his room for some nightly fun via a resteraunt. They both had some food and something to drink. He got back to the hotel and about 10 minutes into the event he felt a bit drained ( no pun here guys ), next thing he knew it was 14 hours later and he was about 1000 usd lighter.

One of his friends told him that he had been ruffied and rolled.

Now I have not heard this happeneing in thailand and I am not sure that he is just saying this because he spent too much money and is ashamed to say so after a week there or its true.

his friend told him that it happens regularly and that ruffies are available over the counter, which seems a bit strange to me but hey thats why I am here cause I dont know and I am asking you guys.
your comments?? ......

Sounds very much like something that happened to me last summer. Too much to drink and already had fun with short-timer from Soi Zero. Around 2 in the morning decided to check out Nana parking lot. Brought two back to room at Majestic Grande Hotel. Showers, beers, a little fooling around. Next thing I know it is 6 pm the next day (actually I guess the same day -- but was 16 hours later), alone in hotel, camera gone, jewelry gone, 2,000 in US travelers checks gone. Wallet with US$ and Thai baht untouched for some reason, and I was able to get travelers checks replaced. Big, big bummer, but could have been worse.

[Deep Diver]

OK I had a friend who just came back from thailand and told me that this story happened to him and It sounds a bit strange to me so I would like some input as to if this was real or not.

My friend picked this SW up outside a local bar and took her back to his room for some nightly fun via a resteraunt. They both had some food and something to drink. He got back to the hotel and about 10 minutes into the event he felt a bit drained ( no pun here guys ), next thing he knew it was 14 hours later and he was about 1000 usd lighter.

One of his friends told him that he had been ruffied and rolled.

Now I have not heard this happeneing in thailand and I am not sure that he is just saying this because he spent too much money and is ashamed to say so after a week there or its true.

his friend told him that it happens regularly and that ruffies are available over the counter, which seems a bit strange to me but hey thats why I am here cause I dont know and I am asking you guys.
your comments?? ......