Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[ChiMan II]

Hi Joe,

It is not uncommon at all for women to bleed during anal sex. I had two girlfriends that had this problem when we tried it. I haven't had alot of girls that were up for this so maybe I am wrong? I am still researching. ha ha

[Opebo]

Chiman II,

I have a lot of anal sex with Thai girls. I try to only take girls that will provide this service. In my experience they rarely bleed if you use lots of KY. The few occasions that I noticed bleeding or a bit of uncleanliness were usually when I got extremely deep and rough. But then again plenty of girls can take this and there's nothing but KY to be seen. Another poster made the point that there's no big physical difference between Thais and other women. Just like everywhere, most won't do it, and out of the few that do, only a minority can really take it the way it was meant to be done.

More apropos the 'safe sex in Thailand' angle - I admit that as a confirmed barebacker the bleeding issue is one of concern. Personally in the 90% of cases where there's no bleeding at all I consider anal sex with copious amounts of KY to be safer than vaginal - none of her juices involved.

[Joe Zop]

Amen, and jeez, c'mon already -- we're not talking about some weird species just because they're Thais, we're talking about women! If they're bleeding during anal sex you're doing something wrong! (And if the woman is bleeding she's probably the next one telling her friends what a negative experience it is.)

I swear, (and I'm sorry ChiMan II, as I'm not intending to pick on just you) sometimes posts here sound like they're coming from people who have never had sex in their entire lives.

[The Traveler]

chiman ii

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what percent of the time do the girls bleed?
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i guess you are not talking about their period.
why should they bleed at all ?

use lots of ky jelly or another lubricant, go soft and slow and everything will be fine. the hardest part is to convince them that you won't hurt them, cause most of them already tried or want to try it, but had bad experiences or heard many negative comments from friends. too many men seem not to care about the girls feelings and what they scare.

so again, soft and slow with lots of lubricant, you might speed up later on if you and she ! likes.it

have fun

[ChiMan II]

I have a question about anal sex with Thai girls. What percent of the time do the girls bleed? I wouldn't enjoy the experience of blood everywhere. Anyone with experiences I would like to hear.

Thanks

[ChiMan II]

hey gang,

when i said we all agree getting bareback is not a problem i meant getting it. i did not mean it is safe. getting it though depends on what you look like. if the thai girl likes you and or is attracted to you it is very possible. if you are overweight or not attractive to the thai girl i think it will be harder. thai women do what they want as long as they are having fun. i would like to ask opebo a question. o**** did you ever catch any std's or have any negative experiences to share with us about going bareback? i would like a section added to the forum about negative experiences with std's to the forum. i think it would save lives. i will share one. i went to a san francisco massage palor. a nice 26 year old vitnam girl gave me a bareback blowjob. the following day i broke out in white hives all over my body. i went to the doctor and he asked my if i been to asia? anyway, he gave me a shot and i was better in two days. that was the last time i ever got a bareback blow from a working girl.

[Seydlitz]

Joe Zop,

I think what was meant is "to go bareback is not difficult to get if you want".

Let's have it repeated once again: unprotected sex is dangerous, even more so with a paid sex provider.

STDs happen that way, and so do unwanted pregnancies (a much underrated psychological misery endured by many Farangs).

This being said, TGs have a carefree if not careless attitude about pretty much everything in life. That is part of their Thainess. This includes a relatively low importance given to any precaution, including condoms.

Never count on the lady to enforce safe sex practices; In Thailand, she might not do it, or no consistently. (Consistency is another dirty word in Thai).

[Joe Zop]

Everyone agrees that to go bareback with the girls is not a problem.

I've not heard that said by anyone here, regardless of belief about the actual HIV/AIDS rate. Skinless and I have both confessed to catching STDs in LOS. If you're hearing that going condomless is safe, then it's time to hang out with different "everyones."

[Opebo]

Chiman,

In fact a great many Thai girls do insist on condoms. I should know as I prefer to go without. I've had several girls walk out unpaid rather than go bareback. True, many will aquiesce to a request for bareback, but most try to persuade the customer to use a condom, and quite a few refuse condomless sex entirely. Not that this means much to your debate - I'd agree that some paid sex in Thailand is covered, some isn't - but my point is that as often as not its the Thai girl who's pushing the condom, not the customer. Of course I only do short-time so maybe if you like to take the girls overnight they're more cooperative.

[ChiMan II]

Skinless,

Ha Ha, I liked your report. I agree with you 100%. In my opinion what makes Thailand so dangerous is this. You meet a beautiful girl. She tells you everything you want to hear. She does not at all seem like a hooker which throws you off guard. You spend your evening drinking with her. Some of these girls are so sweet and full of love you actually start to like this girl. She looks at you with those beautiful eyes and that sexy smile. She just got out of the shower and she smells like soap. She smells so clean and she is only 18 she probally hasn't been withthat many people, lol. So you think. Plus, 95% of the men with them are drunk from drinking all night. Alot of these guys are not good looking and never had an experience with such a beautiful sweet girl. No girl this hot ever paid so much attention to them. Do you really think the average drunk joe will care to put a condom on? Everyone agrees that to go bareback with the girls is not a problem. So you do the math. Thailand is paradise but it is also an illusion. It would be nice thought that all these drunk guys would not like to cum in these angels. This will not stop me from going to Thailand every year but I am just extra careful.

[Skinless]

Joe: Was the fact that brothel owners in the 80% infected areas did not pay their bribes on time a factor?

[Joe Zop]

Points taken, Skinless, but at the same time most of these stats from Thailand these days come from hospital testing, and there's been a huge amount of work in LOS on testing -- I remember reading about several researchers there who were working hard on really, really inexpensive and reliable kits. The overall number of those infected does appear to have gone down in Thailand, partly because there's been a massive amount of deaths in recent years. (And the rates of new infections appear to be rising slightly in the last couple of years, though not among sex workers.)

I'd say the high rates in Phrae (and Nan, etc.) make a lot of sense, given that the rates have always been higher in the north, and brothel workers have also tended to be higher. And while there's a lot of commercial bonking going on, let's face it, most western mongers actually are condom-conscious for the most part. The existence of this thread is testimony to that.

I absolutely agree with you that many, if not most, sex workers will go skinless. We obviously all need to at least presume this to be the case for our own safety.

And can you name me anything in the world that doesn't have a vested interest? We've all got to take our information from somewhere or another, and UNAIDS and the Census Bureau are at least not completely fly-by-night.

[ChiMan II]

Us tourists are very much needed to help the Thai economy. If the sex industry dies down because of an AIDS scare this will hurt Thailand economy severly. It is in the goverments best interests to cover things up and try to keep things on the up and up. From my experience Thai woman worry more about money than STDS. People that experience Thailand will tell you it is no holds barred. It is just better to go there with the mind frame Aids is very big here. If you go there with the mind frame Thailand doesn't have that much std's then you are more likely to take chances and risks. How many places can you sit down at a bar and the girl begs you to pay her bar fine and sleep with her?

[Skinless]

Joe et al: I don't think these figures mean very much at all. The level of education/knowledge about STDs is very low and doubt has to be placed on all surveys/samples involving the ladies of the night and semi literates (and sad mongers like all of us). My experience is most hos (and mongers) will take the chance to go skinless. The Thai government has a vested interest to pretend HIV rates are lower than what they are. Although there is a thriving gay/bisexual/IV drug use culture, caution is still advised. Pattaya and similar places have to be major HIV/STD reservoirs: just look at all the commercial bonking going on there. Also, what puts Phrae up in the top league infection wise? Is there something different in the air or dicks there?

Vested interests, academic and otherwise, have been doing these bs HIV surveys for a long time now. There is little new, novel or informative in them.

[Joe Zop]

Yes, two little jokes as of course I know you always play it safe, and you've lamented before the lack of adventuresome mongers who head out and explore. I doubt such stats will encourage that, unfortunately. And absolutely, Phrae seems like the place to avoid, (along with Nan) though you gotta suspect a rather small sample there, don't you think?