Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Freeler]

Joe_zop,

"The overall infection rate of sex workers in urban areas is 6.7% Freeler et all, en garde!"
Et all?
Another little joke, I presume.
And you know damn well I always cover up.

Lots of towns near BKK have very high rates of infection, as do cities in the South (muslim...) and the North-West (tribal areas...).
Am I glad I didn't stick my privat parts in any one up in Phrea... 82%hiv-infected!!!???

[Joe Zop]

With all due respect, ChiMan II, I think you're dramatically overstating things by calling Thailand "one of the AIDS capitals of the world" and that is a rather dated perspective. The HIV infection rate in Thailand, according to UNAIDS 2002 statistics, is 1.8%. It's worth noting that only a third of the adults infected are women. The overall infection rate of sex workers in urban areas is 6.7% (much higher in rural areas, so Freeler et all, en garde!) which compares very well with lots of other countries where stats are available. Most HIV infections in Thailand these days are coming from infected male Thais having unprotected sex with their regular partners, usually wives or gay men.

Compare this to say, the Central African Republic, which has an infection rate of 12.9%, Kenya, (15% rate, 27% among sex workers) Benin, (3.6% rate, 40% infection rate for sex workers) Cambodia, (2.7% rate, 26% infection rate for sex workers) Haiti, (6.1%) the Dominican Republic, (2.5%, though lower than LOS among sex workers -- about 4%) or the Bahamas (3.5% overall rate.) Even Brazil and China, which have a lower overall rate, still have substantially higher rates for sex workers -- over 17% and 10% respectively. And there are others in Africa which are far, far worse. (All stats from the above source.)

The truth is that a monger is generally at far more risk going anywhere in Africa or to most places in the Caribbean than to Thailand. While no one can give a girl-by-girl report, one can get a pretty solid sense of things by looking at the rates listed at http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/Map11table.html (current as of June) which breaks down the HIV infection rate of Thai sex workers by city. For example the HIV infection rate among sex workers in Bangkok is 2.6%, Chiang Mai 8.7%, Phuket 9.25%, Philok (for Freeler and Skinless) at 7%, Korat 4.6%, and Pattaya at a bit over 11%. This is at least a bit of an argument for mongering in the Big Durian!

Obviously, I'm hardly advocating bareback, as that's still risky idea, but let's at least keep the facts in mind.

[Freeler]

In the news today:

(At first I wanted to post this in the General section, but I've got the feeling it belongs here, in the Safe Sex department.)

Sex and jealousy

A 21-year-old man and four teenagers were arrested in Din Daeng district after a quarrel in which they hurt a 52-year-old woman they had sex with.

Din Daeng police on Friday nabbed Thawatchai Cheuychan, 21, and four teenagers aged 15-17 (names withheld) in a rented room in Soi Pracha Songkhroh 27 after they quarrelled and caused injury to Ratri (surname withheld), 52, early Friday morning.

Police said Mr Thawatchai had sex with Mrs Ratri, his girlfriend, and allowed the four teenagers to join in, but he later became angry and jealous. Mr Thawatchai hit his girlfriend and the last boy, 15, on their heads while they were having sex.

The teenagers had yet to be questioned by police in the presence of prosecutors, social welfare officials and parents.

[ChiMan II]

Ok Team,

Listen up, Remember Thailand is one of the Aids capitals of te world.Noone can give us an accurate report on all bar girls. Even if aids died down. It only takes one poison pill to ruin your life. These girls are with maybe 5 different guys a day. When you go to thailand how you look makes a difference with how much you pay and what you can do to the girl. I was in Thailand in October and was with probally 25 girls. I would say with about 20 of them if I went bareback they would not care. I even tested and teased them and they had no problem with this. I of course would never go BB in Thailand. I am a young guy and I do believe alot of them were attracted to me. But you never know what to believe in Thailand. I think if you are not that attractive girls will not want BB. If your cute enough you can seduce it out of them just like any girl. When I was in Thailand I would pass up maybe 300 girls to find just the one I want. I noticed many guys take the first girl that looks at them. I was also shocked that guys will sleep with these woman no matter how unhealthy they look. BB blowjobs are extremely dangerous. I had friends that ran into alot of problems. Becareful guys so this trip is not your last trip.

[Sainter]

Pardon my ignorance guys, but I've been told that the HIV/AIDS problem in Thailand is now well under control. Apparently the Phillipines is the next hotspot for the virus. The Fillipinos are staunch Catholics and their bishops actively lobby for people not to use condoms. A couple of my friends take the chance going bareback in Thailand these days, but a lot of the girls usually turn them down. I think the message has got across to the majority of women in Thailand that sex w/o a condom is a big no-no. Having said that our experiences come only from Phuket and Hatyai. I'm not sure what the situation is in Bangkok. As I told my friends, all it takes is a little bad luck and, BANG, your life is over. Still they don't listen. Their lives I guess.

[The Traveler]

GettingTang

One more suggestion :

Would you touch a positive HIV blood sample with your bare hands, no gloves ?

Due to your comments, you will, since your skin is protection enough.

If not, please tell me how you make sure that your chick doesn't got her period (asking her, uh ?) or that your fingernails won't hurt her inside. Maybe she already got a small wound from her last bonk some 30 mins ago or from some deep penetration.

You better be real.

Think about it

[The Traveler]

GettingTang

I don't want to start a discussion about this. Do as you like.

But you have to admit, that manicure e.g. - and I guess you do it on a regular basis - produces small wounds of your skin when you remove it (at the bottom of your fingernails). Furthermore I had cut my hands a thousand times at a sheet of paper or somewhere else without even knowing it. Just saw it later on.
Sure, wounds will close, but do you check your hands every time before masturbating a girl ? Furthermore you are mentioning that the skin is thinner at certain parts of a body, so do you agree that the skin will also be thinner at a freshly closed wound of any size ?

If you doubt what I say, why not ask a doc who is specialied in HIV. He/she should know if this is a possibility for transmission.

Have fun
but be careful

[GettingTang]

Traveler be real.

First people do not have "countless" microscopic cuts on your fingers. Cuts on ones fingers that might be that small heal and close to outside expose extremely quick.

The penis is lined with very thin skin and the blood vessels are extremely close to the surface. The head of the penis also has something fingers don't. It's called a urethra. It's your dick head opening, [CodeWord140] hole. The inner lining on the tip of you dick is an open source right into your blood stream! Much different then using your fingers. Now sure, I would not go sticking my finger up inside a girls snatch with an open cut, but please, lets be realistic. Barring an open and noticeable wound on your fingers, the likelihood of HIV transmission from fingering a girl is non existent.

DATY in my opinion is dangerous. The mouth is a very fragile place on the human body. It bleeds more regularly then any other location on the body. gums are also very thinly lined with blood vessels close to the surface. The tongue can also act as I direct link and be absorbent much like the urethra of the penis. It can go right into ones blood stream. For this reason, I never perform DATY on any working girl. I have also decided to keep my BJs covered. As recent data is now suggesting, HIV can more easily be transmitted this way then previously had been thought.

I always assume there are some girls out there who might actually intentionally try and transmit you the virus, due to being enraged about their own infection. They view you, the monger, as the reason why they are infected. I have seen it before and it is real. It's a dangerous world out there, one must protect themselves and be careful.

GETTINGTANG~!

[The Traveler]

GettingTang

Do you wear any kind of gloves when masturbate her ?
Since everybody has countless unnoticed microscopic small wounds at the fingers you should be aware that the way you practice it comes close to do it with your pecker without a condom.

Have fun

[Atlanta Monger]

Tang,

Great advice, especially the portable alcohol wipes. Hadn't thought of that, but will certainly become a staple now.

Anybody have any DATY tips (no, not HOW to do it, lol) for safety - I've heard of using a dental dam or saran wrap, but haven't tried either. Both sort squash the GFE mood, I'm guessing. I'm an eatin' kind of guy, but really don't want to take extra risks while mongering.

MM

[Zero Charisma]

"I keep a small packet of very strong alcohol wipes. You can store these in a small zip lock baggy and keep them in your pocket. I will buy regular baby type wipes and soak them in some good rubbing alcohol and then put them into a zip lock bag. I wipe off my pecker and that whole area once she is done." Getting Tang

GT,
I also clean my whole pelvic area with alcohol wipes after any kind of action. Herpes can be caught through the skin, condom or no condom, so its a precaution against that.
As far as the gonorrhea, the clap etc are concerned, I always use a condom for BJ and FS so I never have to worry.

0C

[Joe Zop]

Bottom line is simple -- condom equals no HIV. No real worries with BBBJ about HIV, though as we've discussed you can get some other nasties that way. I don't care how good the kits are, as I've never used them, but going bareback is still the main risky behavior -- even if the TG tests negative for HIV, such a kit doesn't guarantee no hepatitis, syph, clap, herpes, etc.

[Music Guy]

Hi bros! This is my first post so first I wanna thank all the members for the great reports and Jackson for the work. I am going to Phuket for the first time next week and I would like to know something about the test kits you were discussing about. Do I get them in Thai pharmacies? How do they work and how reliable are they.
Which sexual practics would you rather not try with a BG in order not to get the HI virus?
Thanks for your reply and I will report when I´m back!

[GettingTang]

Not a pleasant topic to discuss, but here is my advice.

I'm a huge conusor of BBBJs. I have gotten thousands over the years from hundreds if not a thousand different WGs. I have yet to catch anything. I do take precautions. Now I'm not so naive to believe that I am invincible, or "beating the system" I know I have probably been somewhat lucky so far, I also know how to take precautions when it comes to receiving a BBBJ and here is what I do.

First I always check the girls mouth out, I don't give her a full dental exam but will often take notice to make sure she has no obvious open sores. See any cold sores you better run for the hills

Second, about 5 minutes or so before getting that BBBJ, I will drink a very large glass of water. This will mean that in about 30 minutes time, after she is done working me over, I will inevitably have to [CodeWord140] like a race horse. This allows the opening on your pecker to be washed out by [CodeWord112] and seriously lessons the chances for the little bugs, like gonorrhea, or others to grab hold. This is scientifically documented and is affective. Not full proof, mind you, but very affective. You should try and time it so you are pissing as soon as she is done, or very shortly afterwards.

Third, I keep a small packet of very strong alcohol wipes. You can store these in a small zip lock baggy and keep them in your pocket. I will buy regular baby type wipes and soak them in some good rubbing alcohol and then put them into a zip lock bag. I wipe off my pecker and that whole area once she is done. Sure I don't do this right in front of her, as it would be offensive, but a quick trip to the restroom, [CodeWord140] and wipe. I would guess by having done these steps for years now I have probably prevented myself from catching at least a few nasty things.

Some of you may find this amusing or ridiculous, but all I can say is the proof is in the pudding. I know I probably should have caught the clap or gonorrhea by now. 13 years of mongering on almost a daily bases, or at least every other day in the states. With probably well over a thousand different girls, having given me BBBJ and still to have not caught anything using this method is proof enough for me!

Things I never do, is anal sex or any kind of fu*cking without a condom. I love doing DATY, but will NOT do it on working girls. Too much risk. I will have them lie back open their legs and massage them with both hands, one on the clit, the other inside her, but no mouth action. I usually can get most girls off this way, but I have lots of practice. Two fingers massaging the G spot another on her clit gets them off 90% of the time! DATY is bigtime risky!

HAVE FUN, BUT YES, YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL!

GETTINGTANG~!

[Philo]

As I got my test results today, detecting no clap, but an agressive fungus that I might have picked up anywhere, I feel I should remove the warning mentioning a certain girl (even if the girl was not named or otherwise easily recognizable).

(I have also learned that antibiotics against gonorhea is also used against many other infections (so that I was wrong to infer that the girl might have gonorhea because she used medication naming the disease (amongst others, I guess))).

As the original post is not editable, I quote it and WITHDRAW it here:

Originally posted by Philo

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WARNING I think i picked it up Aug 6 from a BBBJ from a young girl in one of the ground floor open air Nana beer bars. She only do BJs because she is 'sick in stomach. doctor say no boom boom 2 month'.

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I hope the girl hasn't lost any customers because of me, and wish her Chok Dee Mak Mak in her future business ..