Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Chikan]

I think Joe's onto something there. My doctor said that Gon. lives in the spores in the back of a girls mouth. So if she deep throats you, and she has a tiny little mouth (don't they all?), then you can get infected. I didn't ask him "So..what if she just puts the head in her mouth..could I still get it!" LOL.

[Joe Zop]

Most of the methods you're citing here are pretty unusual, as opposed to certain types, say, of hepatitis. In order for transmission by towels and the hand, it has to be a pretty immediate sequence of going from an infected area to body or from infected area to cloth to body, since the virus dies pretty quickly once exposed to air. Similarly, sex toy transmission occurs only between partners sharing sex toys, which is going to keep most posters on this board in the safe zone, and there are other sites (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A230716 for example) that say it cannot be transmitted by kissing. My bet is that the only time that's possible is if the carrier has gonorrhea of the throat (rarer) and there's very deep french kissing to the point that the tongue touches the infected area.

[Philo]

GONORRHEA

through finger-sex and french kissing ?

www.laglc.org/std/STD02.6.htm

[Philo]

Joe_Zop, Chikan, All BBBJ fans

Guess that gives me 50/50 swab or not ......

! GONORRHEA !

Guys, here is what your up to:

http://biodefence.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdgon.htm

According to this site, it can infect through towels and hand-touching-body:

www.aidsarnia.org/gonn.htm

Time to get a wife?

[Chikan]

philo,
ok..i'll admit it. i came back with "the clapper" (sounds funny, but it wasn't trust me). went to the doc's and this is what happened.
1) the doc. took a big *ucking q-tip and stuck it up my dink to do a swab..that was for gonorrea and yes..it really burns!
2) made me do a [CodeWord109] test for chlamydia (since the two of them are usually present together). the [CodeWord109] test after the swab was fun!
3) like joezop, i asked for the rest of the bloodword (syphillis (sp.), hep etc..
got a hit for gonorea. took 2 pills..can't remember what they were and the problem was gone. oh yea, got the "clapper" from a blow job too! won't be doing that again..too fucking risky!

[Joe Zop]

Nope -- I was lucky enough to avoid that both times, thankfully, as it would undoubtedly have been doubly painful in the condition I was in. Hope that's not the same with you, though I imagine it probably is -- I'm having sympathy pains just remembering.

[Philo]

Joe_Zop

If you ever have had 3 cotton tipped pins poking your urin-tract, you wouldn't have forgotten.

Did you? Or was the urin sample all there was? (The needle for HIV does not scare me ,,,,,)

[Joe Zop]

yes, a [CodeWord109] test should be able to detect gonorrea, from what i understand. if i remember correctly that's all my doctor initially took, and drew blood only after i told him he might as well do the whole spectrum of std tests while he was at it. he said hiv was really the only one that he'd expect would come up there that wouldn't show up via [CodeWord109], since my hepatitus shots are current, and he didn't expect hiv since i was always protected for intercourse. but peace of mind is peace of mind.

and, yes, you can definitely get things via bbbjs -- i'm reasonably certain that's where my infections came from. i will probably still indulge, but perhaps not if i'm visiting one of the blow shops, as it seems logical to me that throat infections for gonorrea, which are supposed to be more rare, would be more likely for workers there than for your basic bargirl.

[Philo]

originally posted by joe_zop i figured i should post a follow-up, since i blathered on around here with my travails earlier. when i got back home i had another bout with the same symptoms as when i was in los. went to my regular doctor, and he prescribed both the same doxy as the doc i saw in chiang mai, noting that both clamydia and a urinary tract infection were likely, took a [CodeWord109] sample, and also gave me a shot for other nasties just in case. got a call today after i called to check on the sample -- a confirmed hit for gonorrea. ...............

j_z, all

i am sorry to say that i have picked up something, and i am heading for the farang doctor tomorrow. i do not feel exited about having sample pins stuck into my dick, so i was wondering: chlamydia can be detected from urin, is the same the case for gonohrea?

warning i think i picked it up aug 6 from a bbbj from a young girl in one of the ground floor open air nana beer bars. she only do bjs because she is 'sick in stomach. doctor say no boom boom 2 month'. it was first the day after she showed me some medicine (fuck me i did not write down the name) and she spelled from the thai paper goo-noo ..... i was too drunk to be intelligent, but now i have asked one of my friends to seek her up with a dictionary that contains the word in thai.

i do not want to ruin anyones business and will therefore speak no details: but if it turns out the worst, i shall have to reconsider bbbjs ...........

[Chuck Boon]

Can someone please tell me how I can buy some Orasure test kits? I called the Company, and they told me that they will only sell their Rapid HIV Kits to Heathcare Professionals.

[Poobah]

Yes Joe, when you are looking at this 'in general' there is some cause for worry due to the numbers cited. However, as the prevalence of a disease (or chance thereof) increases in a population the chance of false negatives decreases.

As has been stated before, the best screening test has the highest sensitivity (lowest false negatives). There is no test that is 100% accurate (although if you look at the test numbers cited in Orasure's pamphlet, they got that but used pretty low number of test subjects). A test that is 99.9% accurate while not perfect does a pretty good job of screening out high risk candidates.

Of course this still belies the 'window' period where one could be infected by HIV and still not show antibody production (which is what the orasure test measures). Most people will seroconvert after 12 weeks. The '6 month' standard is the outside of the bell curve for positive test (some will seroconvert in as little as a few weeks).

[Sabio]

Folks,

I finally did the calculation to decide which is safer: condoms or test kits. The results are in the safe sex section (under special interests).

[Joe Zop]

I think the key issue in the citation is that out of the hypothetical one million tested with 1% infected, ten out of the ten thousand who are infected would produce false negatives. A false positive isn't what is the concern -- if you test positive obviously you're going to want to be retested, and confirm things. The concern is those who are told they're negative when in fact they're not, as then you open to door to potentially unsafe behavior. If .1% of the infected population is going to be missed by the test, then in Thailand, where the infection rate is in the 2% range, that means that if you gave everyone in the country a test, 1200 people who were infected would show up as ok.

That's looking at things completely on a vanilla statistical basis, and it would be very worrisome to say that there were 1200 TGs running around who'd been tested as clean who were not. The reality is different, of course. (But since the discussion has been about testing kits...)

Thailand's efforts have changed things, and improved the infection rate in the commercial sex environment, where condoms are far more frequently used than in the past. A decade or so ago 80% of all AIDS cases in Thailand came from sex workers and their clients. The most recent information I've been able to find says that the vast majority of new HIV/AIDS cases in Thailand are now husband/wife, drug users, or male-male sex, and that 20% come from sex workers and their clients.

BTW, Thailand's Health Ministry announced a couple of months ago that the infection rate among Thai teenagers, one of the high risk groups, had risen substantially over the past year, with the rate of increase rising from 11 to 17%. This runs counter to recent years, when the number of new STD cases has dropped dramatically.

[Freeler]

Sabio, Philo,

Like Philo I avoid this discussion like the plague, BUT when false statistics are used, my blood boils and I can'd help myself, so:

'But there is another side to the test. Of our original one million, 990,000 are not infected. If we look at the test results on the HIV negative population (remember the specificity of the assay is 99.9%), we find that 989,010 are found to be not infected by the ELISA (true negatives -- TN), but we have 990 individuals who are found to be positive by the ELISA (false positives -- FN).'

FUCK THAT!!!

ONLY people who KNOW they have a reason to be tested get tested. NOT the others in the population of 1,000,000.
So, the entire bit between' and ' sucks and therefore the rest of the story.

A test that is 99.9% reliable is as reliable as ANYTHING gets.

My first and last 2cents on this.

Peace

[Sabio]

Zidaho

Thank you for your post. I took the liberty of copying the part about test kits to the safe sex section (under special interests) where the discussion has taken place.

If you find the test kits in Thailand, please share your experience with us.