Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Kerrstar]

Good point about the BFs, however I think the drug thing is a little exaggerated. It may be true that drug users were far more likely to catch Aids. Yaa Baa was the main drug years ago, these days Ice more popular I think (last I heard).

I was thinking back to the 90's when HIV was becoming more well known. I was in and out of BKK a bit back then and heroin was the choice drug. These days cheaper and easier alternatives for getting high exist so I'd say that would have decreased HIV transfer via blood. Clearly this is a far more complex issue than we can fully understand.

[Syzygies]

A lot of bargirls will have boyfriends who they do bareback, and their BF will pretty much bang anything they can with the money his girl gives him. Don't forget a lot of bargirls are working in the industry because their Thai BF knocked them up and dumped them.

My thoughts on the HIV situation is that back in the 90's most girls who got HIV was due to drug use, they were doing heroin back then and sharing needles. There are no needle exchanges in BKK and I doubt back then, or even now, you could just go to the pharmacy and buy needles. These days if girls are using drugs it will be Yaa Baa, Thaksin put a big hole in the drug scene when he gave the BIB open slather to deal with the issue.

Good point about the BFs, however I think the drug thing is a little exaggerated. It may be true that drug users were far more likely to catch Aids. Yaa Baa was the main drug years ago, these days Ice more popular I think (last I heard). My Mrs does Ganja and beer in recent years (never when I first met her). Can make a girl horny (if good quality).

Every Thai village has several examples of people who died from Aids. Some Thai children lost both parents to Aids. Naturally is it quite difficult to determine exactly which acts every Aids case had done. The Thai men could well have been doing Needles or anal sex. The wives could have go it from husband from anal or even normal sex. Even it is difficult for a guy to catch HIV from a woman, the reverse is not so difficult.

Hookers that have been doing Thai men BB for 10 to 20 years plus were highly likely to have their luck run out sooner or later. I know of one such girl who was friend of a friend back in 1991. May be still quite good looking in her late 40's, assuming the HIV is well treated.

Its easy for guys to want to BB the girl's pussy because our risk is way smaller than the accumulated risk the hooker faces, by doing it indiscriminately with too many men for too many years, or they could get unlucky very young. Girls could cut their risk significantly by wanting to see guy's test results. One girl wanted to see my test results regularly but now she decided she doesn't want to risk it any more. Of course there are plenty of other diseases easier to catch by a huge margin.

The figures for new HIV cases in Thailand has been dropping for many years now, so the risks must be getting less and less.

[Kickoffs]

I cut the citations a bit short but clearly two opposing views. It is mostly about statistics. If everybody uses a condom the risk of spreading diseases is low but not zero. Even the use of a condom doesn't bring the risk of transmitting a disease to zero. A broken condom is an obvious reason but touching each others genitals can transmit some diseases as well, for example. I once had a disease because a girl reused a condom! So, that's why I like to bring my own. If nobody uses a condom the risk of spreading diseases is much higher but not 100%. For example: both partners do not have a disease. What is actually happening in the population at large is that the people using condoms are protecting the barebackers. As long as there's only few people barebacking the risk is low due to the large majority using condoms. That has an equivalent to vaccination percentages. If a sufficiently large proportion of the population is vaccinated against a transmittable disease the few people that do not have the vaccination are protected by the overall vaccination grade. About 95% or higher is usually considered safe in Holland. Personally I like to be as safe as I can be and use a condom. So both fellow members are right in their own way, but without much substantiation.

One more thing about AIDS. Heterosexual men send their fluids and are not at high risk. But it is not 0%. Remarks about it are often dramatized or are playing down the risk too much. Just use statistics and take your pick. What side do you want to be on.

BBBJ is not without risk either. I had gonorrhea from a girl that actually put my dig too deep in her mouth, touching her throat while doing it. That can transmit the disease.

This is a great post. The only thing to add is who knows what the percentage of condom users are; 49%? 50%? 51%? 75%? 90%? 30%?

The good news is that there are thin or thinner condoms on the market right now. Rather not get a girl knocked up.

[Kickoffs]

That is indeed not the truth and yet we don't see many reports here about STD-infested girls. The risks of barebacking are often exaggerated.

How many active users here post regularly? How many will admit to receiving an STD? All there is to go by are local publications that report the statistics, whatever they may be. It'd be interesting to see if someone can share that information and confirm the source.

[MongerForSex]

Do you have theories as to likely main causes? Not arguing here, just seeking info, since I know a girl with such cancer at a young age? Could it be related to chemical sprays on the farm, bad diet with non natural foods, sexual activities, etc. I don't know really, but have to suspect pussy infections contribute a lot, or bad uterus bruising.

I know another Thai girl that died from cancer of ovaries, not a hooker at all, very proper, but just unlucky I guess (I forgot you don't believe in luck but I do). She did not do anything wrong that we are aware of. Just risks of normal life in Farang countries, she studied in France. She originated from deep south of Thailand, but moved OS as a teenager.

Many things can cause ovaries cancer. Life is like a game, something will kill you but what?. For example, some diabetes and hiv medication increase the risk of cervical and anal cancer, having lowered immune system increases the risk of cervical cancer and many other things. There are so many factors. You were born healthy, I don't believe in luck. Most diseases are environmental. But if you have diabetes type 1, you were unlucky but if you have diabetes type 2, you fucked up your body. I don't believe in luck for environmental diseases. Having congenital heart defect is bad luck, being born healthy is good luck, having heart disease as a healthy person late in your life is not bad luck, you just fuck up your body. I contracted tuberculosis at 12 , to me, it's not bad luck. My body was too weak to figh off the germ and I did not listen to my parents. A few bone cancer, blood cancer and brain cancer in children are bad luck. Being born with anemelia and hemophilia is bad luck. Being born blind or limbless is bad luck. As I said, most diseases are environmental and I don't believe in bad luck for environmental diseases. Medicine is very good to treat people born with some health problems, people with injuries, accidents, gunshots, to help people for skin, bone and body contrustion (burnt people, people losing a limb during the war or broken bone because of an accident) or treating people with agressive bacterias. I don't believe in preventive measures. You may have diabetes and never have problems with diabetes because people are different. You may have tuberculosis and never develope active tuberculosis (having latent tuberculosis and having treated tuberculosis are the same because blood results are the same, there is no proof antibiotics are effective at treating latent tuberculosis because the blood results are the same as people with untreated latent tuberculosis. You may have hsv never develop herpes, you may have cancer and be in remission without medication. I believe in human immune system. It's the most magical thing that exist in this world. I am a jew, believing in our body is important in our religion. God gave you immune system not for decoration but to fight off envaders and keep your body healthy. Like british army fighting against german envaders. LOL I believe in science but also believe in human body. I am not a fucking sheep, I always want answers and I am not blinded by many things. Many doctors are not blinded by many things. Only stupid sheep doctors and dishonnest doctors are dangerous. That's why it's important to visist many doctors and choose the one that matches you best. Having a good relationship with your doctor is important, when you have doubts , it's good to talk about your doubts to your trustworthy doctor. ( a doctor that's open to every medical conversation), a doctor that can advise you well. Most doctors don't give a shit about their patients. Your health has no cost.

[Syzygies]

Cervical cancer is on the rise, I don't think HPV is the main cause. Many women get vaccinated for HPV but still get cervical cancer.

Do you have theories as to likely main causes? Not arguing here, just seeking info, since I know a girl with such cancer at a young age? Could it be related to chemical sprays on the farm, bad diet with non natural foods, sexual activities, etc. I don't know really, but have to suspect pussy infections contribute a lot, or bad uterus bruising.

I know another Thai girl that died from cancer of ovaries, not a hooker at all, very proper, but just unlucky I guess (I forgot you don't believe in luck but I do). She did not do anything wrong that we are aware of. Just risks of normal life in Farang countries, she studied in France. She originated from deep south of Thailand, but moved OS as a teenager.

[Syzygies]

I have no feeling for love. Some people will think I am sick, I think they are losers. I don't want to live a stressful life. My work doesn't stress me because I love my work. Love is for weak people that are scared to be alone. Fucking girls is very healthy, sex is good for your neurological health, heart and immune system. I hate responsibility outside my work.

Of course is not sick. Very sensible. Its weak guys like me that accidentally get too attached to girls, and in case of one, she accidentally became a GF, despite neither of us intending / expecting it to be long term originally. Now we reach 15 years with some minor separations long ago. Our relationship even improved in last 3 years such that my mongering has declined a lot.

Its not strange to like multiple girls a lot too. Why should we stick to just one? Makes no sense, other than to save money if she provides good enough sex.

I swear she is to be my last GF. If we should split, I would be "bonkers" to get a new GF replacement. We acquire responsibilities for too many persons, if we are not careful.

For guys that never repeat girls or rarely and always moving on, I do wonder why they could never find any girls that were really satisfying. They have to realise that not every new girl tried can be as good or compatible as some already done before. I prefer to keep the really good ones going as long as possible. The variety of several superior girls can be enough.

[Syzygies]

That's why you need to do a full examination prior to DATY.

I do make thorough examinations in terms of fingers in pussy and visually LOL, as I love feeling up pussy in detail (exceptionally beautiful and great feeling pussy just last night), but we are not all as scared of microbes as you.

For that girl long ago, I saw her small lesion / scab on the lower ass and it did not look serious (less serious than the average cold sore by a long way). She stuck a band aid on it. I did not care and fucked her BB anyway. I was not expecting to catch anything nasty. It was not even in the pussy.

If a girl has a bad discharge from pussy, I would not fuck her, or if vaginal warts, I would not do BBFS. DATY is great to help find out if something is amiss. She won't taste and smell great if something is wrong there I reckon. Fingers and DATY, all part of the exam (even if very non professional).

[MongerForSex]

Didn't you say that at work you examine diseased cocks all day?

I don't only examine diseased cocks, I love my work even when I examine diseased cocks. I examine and treat skin diseases. My two specialities are dermatovenereology and infectology. I now work as dermatologist / venereologist. I examine diseased genitals and other skin diseases every day. Balanitis, moles, staph infection, std and many other pathologies affecting genitals. I studied general medicine, dermatovenerology and infectology for several years. I also saw painless ulcers on the penis caused by tuberculosis or leishmaniasis. I have rarely seen chancroid, it's more prevalent in India and Africa where good hygiene doesn't exist. Cases of chancroid and other bacterial ulcers decreased in Brazil but they are mostly seen in people living in poor rural areas.

[MongerForSex]

Absolutely right there. I do not worry if I should ever catch another STD or not. Only that I would like to know about it in time to not pass it on, due to the stigma.

One girl stopped giving me BBFS years ago because I got some dick discharge, and I stupidly told her, in case she had transmitted it to me and maybe she caught it from her official BF. Yet she was the only girl I was fucking at the time (not in Thailand), and turned out she was negative (according to her).

Doctor said my dick thing was not an STD, I wouldn't know and cured quickly enough. No idea what it was now. So was a big mistake to say anything to her at all. Full disclosure is not the best policy. Better I got fully assessed and results first. Then I could decide to say nothing, was better.

She told me she had a herpes lesion not exactly on her pussy but close to it on occasions. I had no clue if was really herpes HSV2 or not. Did not look very serious. I thought maybe not and did not give a shit really. Did not scare me in the slightest for having sex.

So yeh, STDs no big deal really unless you happen to give it to your wife. Then there is psychological damage.

That's why I will never get married, it's a waste of time. I just want to fuck until I die. Being in a monogamous relationship is very bad for health. Only problems. I have no feeling for love. Some people will think I am sick, I think they are losers. I don't want to live a stressful life. My work doesn't stress me because I love my work. Love is for weak people that are scared to be alone. Fucking girls is very healthy, sex is good for your neurological health, heart and immune system. I hate responsibility outside my work. People are scared of std because they are stupid and don't know the subject very well. There are many factors for stds like every disease. Stds are not supermutant. Many people have been having sex for decades and never had trouble with std. They talk about luck. I don't believe in luck, only stupid people believe in luck. I believe in healthy life and placebo effect. All humans are different, that's not because you contract chlamydia, that meas everybody having sex with the same girl will catch it and have problems with it. Never talk about the shit you got in your penis to a girls. When you are cured , you don't need to talk about the shit you caught. It's personal, telling your partners about it will ruin some relationships. you did not marry them, no need to tell them.

[Smoothy]

She told me she had a herpes lesion not exactly on her pussy but close to it on occasions.

That's why you need to do a full examination prior to DATY.

[Syzygies]

Keep enjoying and fuck as you like, you will die one day, no time to be scared about STDs. Influenza, spahylococcus, pneumococcal and Tuberculosis are among the biggest infectious killers. People are not scared of STDs but they are scared of stigma.

Absolutely right there. I do not worry if I should ever catch another STD or not. Only that I would like to know about it in time to not pass it on, due to the stigma.

One girl stopped giving me BBFS years ago because I got some dick discharge, and I stupidly told her, in case she had transmitted it to me and maybe she caught it from her official BF. Yet she was the only girl I was fucking at the time (not in Thailand), and turned out she was negative (according to her).

Doctor said my dick thing was not an STD, I wouldn't know and cured quickly enough. No idea what it was now. So was a big mistake to say anything to her at all. Full disclosure is not the best policy. Better I got fully assessed and results first. Then I could decide to say nothing, was better.

She told me she had a herpes lesion not exactly on her pussy but close to it on occasions. I had no clue if was really herpes HSV2 or not. Did not look very serious. I thought maybe not and did not give a shit really. Did not scare me in the slightest for having sex.

So yeh, STDs no big deal really unless you happen to give it to your wife. Then there is psychological damage.

[MongerForSex]

It may be that HSV2 is very common with over 20% of Americans having had it. I am not sure how they are certain who had it though. I can't get a test that gives a sure answer if I ever had it, nor if I ever had HSV1.

HPV of some type was had by 75% of people.

However despite how common these are (partly due to being untreatable) it is another thing altogether, about how easy it is to catch it.

If these diseases were extremely easy to catch, then we would all have them. I think it is person dependent.

I have had a foot papilloma and a wart on leg or arm, although not for over 20 years, but not sure if those HPV strains are relevant to STDs or not.

I think Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are vastly more easy to catch, like you fuck some girl bareback with that and you will get it for sure (almost), and probably Trichomoniasis, although I don't know much about that one.

For some reason the different diseases have different sigma levels. Even if HPV is the most common, there is little stigma to it, where herpes is "such a big deal". Given Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are curable easily, should not be much stigma, other than you obviously fucked a girl BB.

One of my regular girls has decided to stop giving me BBFS after a friend of hers caught some STD. Not sure why that is relevant. We don't know what her friend has been up to. Maybe I won't give this girl any priority in the future, since the sex will be declining in enjoyment.

I can't really do a good marathon sex with a condom any more. My dick has declined in sensitivity. Ha ha.

It will probably make me find other slightly less careful girls who will still give me a BBFS, and a nice long fuck.

I know a young girl (early 20's) supposed to have cervical cancer now, but no clue if was related to HPV or other STDs. Quite possible. She hasn't got the money for an operation (yet), but will have to do a lot of fucking to be able to afford the operation.

Cervical cancer is on the rise, I don't think HPV is the main cause. Many women get vaccinated for HPV but still get cervical cancer. STDs are too overestimated. HSV is a joke. You may have HSV without knowing you have it. You don't need to get tested for it if you have no symptom. I don't really trust HSV and syphilis test, they are not accurate. That's why they are often overlooked when diagnosing a pathology.

Keep enjoying and fuck as you like, you will die one day, no time to be scared about STDs. Influenza, spahylococcus, pneumococcal and Tuberculosis are among the biggest infectious killers. People are not scared of STDs but they are scared of stigma.

If people want to get tested for STD, they should also get tested for other worse diseases. Why get tested if there is no symptom. It's just a waste of time and money.

Penile cancer is said it's caused by HPV but bad hygiene is the main reason, especially uncircumcised men that can't keep their genitals clean. I have never seen circumcised men with penile cancer (squamous cell carcinoma). The only penile cancer I saw in circumcised men was melanoma in situ on the shaft and stage 3 melanoma on the glans on his shaft. Brazil is one of the countries with the most cases of penile cancer. Most of them are caused by bad hygiene. People living in poor rural areas are the most affected. That's why it's important to keep our genital clean.

Some stupid studies say, washing your genitals increase the risk of bacterial STD, but to me it's bullshit. But hsv and hpv, washing or not, you can get them, you just have to trust your immune system for those two viral diseases. HPV and HSV are not reportable STDs.

Maybe it was not a std. Non-stds HPV causing warts are common in children but may also happen in adults. HPV is not treatable but your body can clear it. You can live with HSV all your life without having symptoms.

Conclusion: We will all die someday but we don't know how.

[Syzygies]

HSV-2 (2 - 4 days after exposure) . Symptoms: Itching and tingling on your genitals, small blisters that break and cause painful ulcers. Most people don't have symptoms, outbreak often happens in people that have a problem with their immune system. Reccurrent outbreaks are less severe. When sores are present , It's easily transmitted but may also be transmitted without symptoms. The second most common STD


HPV is often asymptomatic, warts happen when you have a problem with your immune system, not all hpv virus cause warts. Warts usually happen 1 - 3 months after exposure. Your body will be able to clear the virus. Within 2 years maximum. Even without symptoms, hpv is easily transmitted. It's the most common std.

It may be that HSV2 is very common with over 20% of Americans having had it. I am not sure how they are certain who had it though. I can't get a test that gives a sure answer if I ever had it, nor if I ever had HSV1.

HPV of some type was had by 75% of people.

However despite how common these are (partly due to being untreatable) it is another thing altogether, about how easy it is to catch it.

If these diseases were extremely easy to catch, then we would all have them. I think it is person dependent.

I have had a foot papilloma and a wart on leg or arm, although not for over 20 years, but not sure if those HPV strains are relevant to STDs or not.

I think Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are vastly more easy to catch, like you fuck some girl bareback with that and you will get it for sure (almost), and probably Trichomoniasis, although I don't know much about that one.

For some reason the different diseases have different sigma levels. Even if HPV is the most common, there is little stigma to it, where herpes is "such a big deal". Given Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are curable easily, should not be much stigma, other than you obviously fucked a girl BB.

One of my regular girls has decided to stop giving me BBFS after a friend of hers caught some STD. Not sure why that is relevant. We don't know what her friend has been up to. Maybe I won't give this girl any priority in the future, since the sex will be declining in enjoyment.

I can't really do a good marathon sex with a condom any more. My dick has declined in sensitivity. Ha ha.

It will probably make me find other slightly less careful girls who will still give me a BBFS, and a nice long fuck.

I know a young girl (early 20's) supposed to have cervical cancer now, but no clue if was related to HPV or other STDs. Quite possible. She hasn't got the money for an operation (yet), but will have to do a lot of fucking to be able to afford the operation.

[MongerForSex]

Thanks a lot for the detailed report, you know this much, Sir, are you doctor or something, it looks like from your report straight men not to worry much about HIV and STDs if they have protected sex.

I am dermatovenereologist but also studied infectology. As a straight man having sex, you are still at risk of contracting common STDs (HSV, HPV, chlamydia and gonorrhea. You are less likely to catch syphilis than men who have sex with other men. I have never seen straight men contracting hiv from women. I live in Brazil and HIV is very prevalent in men who have sex with men.