Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Syzygies]

Herpes is useless, you have herpes for sure like me. Everybody has herpes in their body. You can get herpes even without having sex. For example, when you were a child you liked to put your finger in your mouth or other thinks or maybe you get herpes from your mother when she kissed you when you was a baby. Don't worry about herpes.

When did you get chlamydia?

Herpes tests is not accurate when it says it's active maybe it was due to your impetigo bacteria. False positive also happen in herpes tests. Now I am sure you don't get anything anymore, when we were young, we made more mistakes.

My Chlamydia was many years ago, due to no not washing hands or dick properly, etc. When one is not sure of the specific incident, with more than one possibility, then is hard to be sure of the fine details about washing behaviour etc. Was at least 15 years ago. However Chlamydia in one eye clearly came from finger in pussy. That is the sure one. Misdiagnosed for 2 or 3 weeks by eye specialist before I had to guess myself and demand a test plus Chlamydia treatment (easy to fix quickly if treated). Clearly washing of hands before rub the eyes is real important.

I don't know for a fact if ever had Herpes or not. I don't agree that everyone has it. High percentage in USA but I am not from there. Never tested positive to active Herpes. Long term tests had contradictory results. So maybe,maybe not. Maybe a false positive (or a false negative). My mother, father, siblings and myself never had a cold sore to my knowledge, nor any other definite indicator. Sister in law, yes have seen her cold sore. Seems to be very hard to sure one way or the other, so not too concerned about it. If no symptoms, no pain, then no worries.

[MongerForSex]

It becomes more important for a girl to see the guy's HIV test results, than for the guy to see her HIV test results, regularly. The girl is the one taking the much greater risk. The guy should also test for Chlamydia ideally, before going back to wife / GF in case of no symptoms. Always a significant risk if his girls are willing to do BBFS with nearly anyone. Incredibly easy to catch if the girl has it.

Some girls are inconsistent. May do BB on occasion when desperate for the money, and then on a subsequent occasion not make it available (having thought about the risks some more), or upping the price. Ha ha.

Lay person's views based on reading up, and personal experience. I will probably never know for sure if I ever had Herpes or not after inconsistent test results, but had Chlamydia 2 times in my life (long ago) so am aware of ease to catch it from wayward girls. On both occasions I was not fucking many girls BBFS (only one), was taking BBBJ, but I still got it. One case transferred by finger, and other case unsure if from BBFS (the girl denied having anything but could have been lying) or BBBJ.

Would be interesting to know if a lot of guys needing to do anal are doing that without condoms, since that definitely seems very risky. I would not do that myself. Tends to indicate stupid girls will to die soon too. I am aware of one hooker supposed to be HIV positive with mainly Thai and other Asian clients for many years. She must be close to 50 YO now and has not died (that I know of). She was very pretty back in 1991, when I met her and her female friend. I never tried her but would have liked to (was doing her friend instead). No clue which activities led to the HIV however I imagine BBFS was very common. No clue if she got into drugs, but quite possible, had a long term Thai pimp I think.

Herpes is useless, you have herpes for sure like me. Everybody has herpes in their body. You can get herpes even without having sex. For example, when you were a child you liked to put your finger in your mouth or other thinks or maybe you get herpes from your mother when she kissed you when you was a baby. Don't worry about herpes.

When did you get chlamydia? Did you [CodeWord111] and wash your dicks in the past after sex? Did you use soap? Herpes tests is not accurate when it says it's active maybe it was due to your impetigo bacteria. False positive also happen in herpes tests. Now I am sure you don't get anything anymore, when we were young, we made more mistakes.

I always use condoms for sex, I don't want to have unwanted babies. When you make a baby in Brazil, you are fucked because you have to pay for the rest of your life. I prefer using condoms because I can I last longer and the sensation is not very strong because when I bareback, I come very fast and hate it, the sensation is very strong and also to avoid bacterial diseases

[MongerForSex]

This is interesting. Transmission probabilities are higher in Africa (and Thailand) BTW.

But age matters. Being geezers helps most guys here. Less likely to catch / transmit (though unsure if this holds up with vast age difference between partners).

And viral load matters a LOT. Which is perfectly logical.

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/gray2/

ok, i stand corrected. They HAVE quantified circumcision effects. and they are HUGE (see e.g. on anal sex for top/bottom for e.g.) (1 in 900 to 1 in hundred something!!!)

and in North America, the vaginal act appears to be more like 1 in 2500 for guy, 1 in 1250 for woman

https://www.poz.com/article/HIV-risk-25382-5829


btw, if I were living in Thailand or spending a lot of time there and barebacking around with prostitutes I would be on PrEP. (18 dollars a month in Thailand... 2000 a month in US)

Be careful with Prep, it increases the risk of syphilis. Syphilis is increasing due to hiv medication, Prep, Chemsex, steroid and illigal drug.

Syphilis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-5emVVRXs.

https://www.poz.com/article/hiv-medi...ility-syphilis

Straight couples in san francisco. https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Ten-year_Study.

Fucking medical companies always want to sell their shit for anything, they treat a problem to create another problem. Cancer is the biggest business followed by stds.

You don't get hiv easily, there are many factors. If not everybody would be hiv posive. I don't beleive in luck, I beleive in factors. Scare tactic is a good way to make business.

Most scientific datas are useless. Scientists and doctors never agree each other.

[Rare Monger]

Thanks for the reply guys but that is not the H I am worried about, the last time I came to Pattaya was 10 yrs ago and I took a girl from a gogo everything went so well in the room she gave me a BBBJ and I DATY the girl luckily she was not a dancer but the youngest waitress there probably 19 yr old and I was so afraid and took a test right after I returned from the trip and Ian sure that I will not BBFS even if it was a known girlfriend but BBBJ is mandatory and DATY if it goes really well but it is about the cold sores and dick warts like the guy few pages ago Ian worried about can a test the previous day rule out these conditions.

I think I can take antibiotics and cry a little while peeing inside a toilet if it is chlamydia or any other uti.

[Catire]

This is interesting. Transmission probabilities are higher in Africa (and Thailand) BTW.

But age matters. Being geezers helps most guys here. Less likely to catch / transmit (though unsure if this holds up with vast age difference between partners).

And viral load matters a LOT. Which is perfectly logical.

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/gray2/

ok, i stand corrected. They HAVE quantified circumcision effects. and they are HUGE (see e.g. on anal sex for top/bottom for e.g.) (1 in 900 to 1 in hundred something!!!)

and in North America, the vaginal act appears to be more like 1 in 2500 for guy, 1 in 1250 for woman

https://www.poz.com/article/HIV-risk-25382-5829


btw, if I were living in Thailand or spending a lot of time there and barebacking around with prostitutes I would be on PrEP. (18 dollars a month in Thailand... 2000 a month in US)

[Catire]

Syzygies, Thai citizens get free or very cheap HIV / AIDS medical care and pill therapy.

With the new drugs, their viral levels can become almost undetectable. (and if their viral load is low enough, becomes very difficult to catch it from them).

I know a Thai woman who I discovered was HIV positive and she is now in that program and on drug therapy. HIV / AIDS is no longer a death sentence. Magic Johnson has lived without issues for how many years now? And when he dies, it won't be because of AIDS / HIV.

The general risks of transmission are now fairly well known.

Roughly speaking. The female (receiver) risk is double the male's (givers).

Vaginal sex around 1 in 4000 chance (this is if doing bareback and partner is infected) for a guy. 1 in 2000 for woman.

Anal sex 1 in 2000 maybe 1 in 1500 for man. 1 in 1000 can be as low as in 1 in 500 for a woman.

There are other factors.

A) if the guy is circumsized. He has additional protection (hasn't been specifically "quantified" I don't think, but everyone agrees it "reduces" transmission rates for men.

B) how "rough" the sex is. The rougher the sex, the higher likelihood of tiny tears and abrasion where the virus can pass via blood. (the unlubricated rectal lining and easiness of tiny rectal tears is the scientific and logical explanation for the difference in transmission rate between vaginal and anal

[Syzygies]

Unfortunately, science is not easy to understand. There is no epidemic in straight population , I agree with you, it's easier for women to get hiv from men , gay population is the most affected.

It becomes more important for a girl to see the guy's HIV test results, than for the guy to see her HIV test results, regularly. The girl is the one taking the much greater risk. The guy should also test for Chlamydia ideally, before going back to wife / GF in case of no symptoms. Always a significant risk if his girls are willing to do BBFS with nearly anyone. Incredibly easy to catch if the girl has it.

Some girls are inconsistent. May do BB on occasion when desperate for the money, and then on a subsequent occasion not make it available (having thought about the risks some more), or upping the price. Ha ha.

Lay person's views based on reading up, and personal experience. I will probably never know for sure if I ever had Herpes or not after inconsistent test results, but had Chlamydia 2 times in my life (long ago) so am aware of ease to catch it from wayward girls. On both occasions I was not fucking many girls BBFS (only one), was taking BBBJ, but I still got it. One case transferred by finger, and other case unsure if from BBFS (the girl denied having anything but could have been lying) or BBBJ.

Would be interesting to know if a lot of guys needing to do anal are doing that without condoms, since that definitely seems very risky. I would not do that myself. Tends to indicate stupid girls will to die soon too. I am aware of one hooker supposed to be HIV positive with mainly Thai and other Asian clients for many years. She must be close to 50 YO now and has not died (that I know of). She was very pretty back in 1991, when I met her and her female friend. I never tried her but would have liked to (was doing her friend instead). No clue which activities led to the HIV however I imagine BBFS was very common. No clue if she got into drugs, but quite possible, had a long term Thai pimp I think.

[MongerForSex]

Can every woman with AIDs be put down to anal or intravenous drugs, or blood transfusions? I doubt it. I agree for men, we would be looking at very small percentages not involved in anal sex, drugs, or tranfusions.

Unfortunately, science is not easy to understand. There is no epidemic in straight population , I agree with you, it's easier for women to get hiv from men , gay population is the most affected.

[Syzygies]

Many studies proved that vaginal sex is not a risk for hiv. There is no epidemic in straight population.

I agree with most of that, e. G. Chlamydia and Gonorrhea clearly easily caught, however I think studies have shown women can catch HIV from vaginal sex, maybe not so much men will catch it this way.

There are many cases in the villages where child became an orphan because both parents died of AIDs. This is known. I didn't think the parents were drug addicts in all cases. Generally accepted that some innocent Thai wives caught AIDs from their husband who was up to, who knows what? Do you dispute these possibilities?

Most medical web sites claim that it is not that hard for a women to pick up aids from a male dick, but the reverse is quoted as far more difficult.

Can every woman with AIDs be put down to anal or intravenous drugs, or blood transfusions? I doubt it. I agree for men, we would be looking at very small percentages not involved in anal sex, drugs, or tranfusions.

[MongerForSex]

Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.

Most straight men contracted hiv from drug use or transfusion. Some so called straight men contracted hiv but they are not really straight because they consider themselves as straight men but they had sex with transexuals or men.

Be careful of gonorrhea and chlamydia, they are very common in straight population, so use a condom. Don't worry about hiv as long as you stay away from gay sex and iv drug. STD clinics are bullshit, they just want everybody to get tested even people that are not at risk just not to discrimate MSM and drug users and also because they need to keep their job. Most people working in std clinics are not specialists and many of them are volunteers. Many studies proved that vaginal sex is not a risk for hiv. There is no epidemic in straight population. I am not interested in working in std clinics because I make less money because it's non profit organization. Thre's money but not for people working in clinics only for laboratories and pharmaceutical companies. I did not study many years to work as a volunteer or for a low salary for companies that take advantage of me and pretend to be non profit. Most specialists are independents and make their own money.

[Syzygies]

Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.

Wear two condoms if you are so scared, is my advice. HIV is not easy to catch if you are well protected. Other STDs can be easy to catch, but not with care and condoms so much. If you want BBFS, then Escorts are probably not your best bet. Try to consider which type of venues are likely to provide the girl that is willing to waste time for your requirements, and needs the money.

Anything is possible if you pay enough money to make it worthwhile for the girl, no matter your requests seem quite unusual. So I think it is possible to take a girl to the Red Cross for testing, if she is willing, and you pay her the right compensation. Escorts, maybe too difficult, especially if she does not know you already. A girl maybe able to show you her recent test results, I never tried to see that to date.

The difficulty is finding someone to reply that has done exactly as you suggest, since it is rather unusual.

[Rare Monger]

Can I ask an escort to take a test the previous day before meeting me are they any reliable than pricking a girl in the room for a rapid test I know both won't rule out any new infections but I would be less worried.

[Rare Monger]

Guys,

If the escorts come with their test results for the previous day can you trust them or is there any other way to do this other than the self test kits if This is discussed previously please guide me to the page guys thank you.

[MongerForSex]

Is inverse true as well?

I was cold sore free until a few days after I gave a woman oral sex in my 40's. She had refused intercourse, so possibly she knew she was having an outbreak that was not visible to me. I don't believe I kissed her either. It was a primary infection as it lasted nearly 3 weeks. Later, I had a blood test to identify which type I had (I had no outbreak at the time of the test), sure that I had type 1. Well, it came back type 2 to my surprise. Strange.

Thanks for your important contributions to this forum, Doc. I had never heard of your particular specialty.

The test just says you have HSV 2 but we don't know where in your body, the only way to diagnose hsv blisters is by taking a sample from the sore and using a microscopy. Your cold sore may be HSV1, HSV1 may take up to 6 months to be positive when it started to be active and then overtime it becomes negative again, may or may not cause outbreaks again. HSV2 rarely cause blisters in the mouth like HSV1 rarely cause blisters in the genital areas. It may also be canker sores that may take up to 5 weeks to go away. The pain normally goes away from the 5th day to 12th day maximum. If you have HSV1 in your mouth, for sure, you don't have HSV2 in your mouth. STDs tests are complicated, there are still many mistakes like any medical test. Nothing is better than my dermatoscopy and microscopy to diagnose skin diseases. I always send the samples to confirm my diagnosis because it's compulsory. Almost everybody has HSV in their body but never develop any symptom, you can also get HSV without having sex.

[FL Hawk]

HSV1 in your genital protects you from HSV2.

Is inverse true as well?

I was cold sore free until a few days after I gave a woman oral sex in my 40's. She had refused intercourse, so possibly she knew she was having an outbreak that was not visible to me. I don't believe I kissed her either. It was a primary infection as it lasted nearly 3 weeks. Later, I had a blood test to identify which type I had (I had no outbreak at the time of the test), sure that I had type 1. Well, it came back type 2 to my surprise. Strange.

Thanks for your important contributions to this forum, Doc. I had never heard of your particular specialty.