Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Member #4285]

Sweden has launched a new condom that is extremely thin, but just as sturdy as a regular condom. It has been told in interviews that they removed a protein in the materialt that allows the reduced thickness. RFSU is an non profit organization I Sweden.

The positive thing is that it conducts heat and therefore feels like going without. The downside is the price that is between 3-4 dollars / piece. But perhaps it's worth it? Suppose now you can get a CBJ that feels like a BBBJ? Superb. I will try this new condom next month.

http://www.rfsu.se/sv/Produkter/Kondomer/Naked/

Google translate:

"Does the body heat of a genuine feeling that is hard to resist! RFSU Naked is ultra slim and odorless plastic condoms leading body heat and provides a natural feel. Can be used by latex allergy. Transparent, straight latex condom (polyurethane resin) with a smooth surface, and the lubricant reservoir. Width 58 mm. 100% Individually and Electronically tested. RFSU Quality. Our condoms meet and Exceed worldwide quality standards.

Sold in pharmacies and on our website.

Condoms are the only contraception that protect against both pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, when using a condom throughout intercourse. If extra lubricant is required to be water-based or silicone, for example RFSU Click. Do not use oil-based lubricants such as baby oil or petroleum jelly. Ask your doctor or pharmacist before condom use with cream or pessaries for medication. RFSU condoms are of the highest quality, inspected and tested according to ISO standard 4074 and RFSU's own standard. The profits from all sales go to information and training on sex and relationship issues, both in the Nordic region and internationally. No contraceptive is 100% safe."


Review from Swedish forum:

As mentioned earlier in the thread Naked (plastic 0.035mm) is not made ​​of latex. Personally I think it is nicer to use than the Thin (latex condom 0.05mm). It sits as firmly, follows the shape better. I think that the transfer of body heat works.

Do you have a big dick, it will fit good, and are you slim so maybe it is loose. I'm not going to determine which group I belong to, but with 13-14cm circumference, it goes on, and sits very well. As the plastic is less elastic than latex the condom are slightly larger in circumference than RFSU standard range, which I appreciate. However, do plastic rigidity that it can be harder to roll out if you're not hard enough. When the condom is loose, I think that it is "noisy" in a way that is not latex condoms. This may be unfamiliar.

I have also noticed that it seems to have little worse slip than a latex condom, but it need not be a problem.

All in all, I think it is a really good condom, better than Thin, even though it is not as user friendly. This could make it unsuitable when you are drunk.

[PinkPearl]

Your posts confuse me though. In summary are you saying HIV is hard to catch and hard to transmit or are you saying everyone needs to wise up and be more careful.

A simple yes or no answer to the first question would be so vague as to be useless. My previous comments on that subject are more suited to those with at least a high school education, and an ear to listen and care.

Re the second question, everyone's case is different, and as I don't know what "everyone" is doing, the same answer would apply to that too.

I don't know what "everyone" is doing but, to summarize my previous recent posts to you, from what you have said about your own activities, you are a self-confessed addict to BBFS, and are engaging in a very high risk sex lifestyle. This puts all of us at higher risk, including you, your sex partners, their partners, and the community as a whole.

[Sammon]

The problem with herpes is that I don't know exactly when I have it active. I have been diagnosed positive with HSV-1 in 2010 probably due to being as a receiver in oral sex in North Thailand. One month ago I just had some redness and sometimes had a little bit of a feeling at the tip of the penis but no vesicles. I also thought that it could be yeast, I don't know.

Lately I have had a little bit strange feeling and tiredness sometimes, sometimes I have been sweating. No fever. I don't know if it is HIV or not. I think I should go test next week because I think 1 month HIV test is about 90% sure already.

If we can't kill herpes why could we ever kill HIV?

Generally penis head gets red not because of STD but because of urinary tract infection. Also with continuous sex. Usually this goes away quickly. If you are [CodeWord112] frequently it is UTI. Best cure is Sulpha drugs.

If there is vesicles and pus it could be anything. Need to go to the doctor and get tested.

Same thing with tiredness, feeling strange and sweating. Long time ago one of the symptoms mentioned of AIDS is night sweat in comfortable weather. Nowadays it is opportunistic infections like getting cold and running nose, throat pain, pnemonia often, breathing problems. Blistering of skin, unexplained dryness of skin etc.

There are many things which can cause sweating and tiredness.

However a monger should always get tested once in a while. Even if it is HIV early treatment is best.

[Bowerboy]

You're joking, right?

"In view of the fact that successful antiretroviral treatment of HIV dramatically reduces viraemia1 and that the risk of HIV transmission in discordant heterosexual couples depends on viral load. 2 it seems remarkable how muted discussion has been of the potential role of treatment in reducing risks of infection. However, a consensus statement by the Swiss National AIDS Commission advised that after 6 months' treatment, if the virus is undetectable in the plasma and in the absence of another sexually transmitted infection, the risk of transmitting HIV is negligible. 3"

http://www.who.int/hiv/events/artprevention/garnett.pdf

Hi Pink Pearl. Thanks for the info but in all honesty its a bit long and complex for a forum like this although I do appreciate it.

Your posts confuse me though. In summary are you saying HIV is hard to catch and hard to transmit or are you saying everyone needs to wise up and be more careful.

Please no more long quotes! Just your answer. If I know then I may be more interested in digesting your information.

[PinkPearl]

Yes I must say that a lot of the fear of dying has gone from HIV.

BUT the real killer is that you would never be able to have bareback sex again : (

You're joking, right?

"In view of the fact that successful antiretroviral treatment of HIV dramatically reduces viraemia1 and that the risk of HIV transmission in discordant heterosexual couples depends on viral load. 2 it seems remarkable how muted discussion has been of the potential role of treatment in reducing risks of infection. However, a consensus statement by the Swiss National AIDS Commission advised that after 6 months' treatment, if the virus is undetectable in the plasma and in the absence of another sexually transmitted infection, the risk of transmitting HIV is negligible. 3"

http://www.who.int/hiv/events/artprevention/garnett.pdf

[Pekkakoo]

The problem with herpes is that I don't know exactly when I have it active. I have been diagnosed positive with HSV-1 in 2010 probably due to being as a receiver in oral sex in North Thailand. One month ago I just had some redness and sometimes had a little bit of a feeling at the tip of the penis but no vesicles. I also thought that it could be yeast, I don't know.

Lately I have had a little bit strange feeling and tiredness sometimes, sometimes I have been sweating. No fever. I don't know if it is HIV or not. I think I should go test next week because I think 1 month HIV test is about 90% sure already.

The good thing with HIV is that if your partner does not have it the risk is 0. And this is the most likely case.

Right now I am not so scared about HIV and don't worry about it. But I had 3-4 partners in Thailand and had many times BB sex with them. Of course none of them could have HIV, or maybe could. At least one of them had other STD(s). Probably when I hear I have HIV I will or would be more worried. It is easy to joke about it now. But when I know I have it maybe my life changes. But now I dont expect to live more than 20 years anyway. And I am 35.

I just dont understand why they cannot cure even herpes these days. I read that there is very little funding for herpes research. Stories about a conspiracy. Medical companies make more money by selling drugs that help during herpes outbreaks than they would make if people could completely destroy herpes viruses and wouldn't need drugs anymore in the future.

If we can't kill herpes why could we ever kill HIV?

[Goatscrot]

Does having a herpes either active or inactive on your penis increase the risk of catching HIV?

The good news is that a Finnish company is very far in developing a HIV vacionation. They are now testing it and it will be ready for human use withinin 5 years. In addition to protecting you from getting HIV they say it either eliminates HIV totally from those who are already infected or at least stops it from proceeding so it should not do any harm anymore.

Therefore if you catch HIV today you will probably never die from it.

When herpes is active you have a direct line for the virus to enter your system. You also have an abundance of T-Cells at the site of the outbreak, and those are where HIV can make its best attack. People who are HIV positive see a spike in viral load when they have a herpes outbreak or any other STI.

It is just best to use condoms.

[Bowerboy]

Of course nothing is 100% certain in this world but given the current research a cure for AIDS is around the corner. If you are 30 now and catch HIV you probably live until 60-70 years at least with medication. What do you think, what is that probability that in 30-40 years there will be a cure for AIDS? I honestly think it is almost 100. Because this one company I talked about promised it in 5 years, max 10. You can live 10 years almost certainly with HIV. Plus there are many more companies researching and looking for a cure, one of them must succeed in let's say 2-10 years certainly.

What if there won't be a cure in 30-40 years? Well, then you still live until 60-70.

Of course I am not saying that anyone should be taking risks but the odds for a cure soon are good and hope is not lost for those who are or get infected.

Yes I must say that a lot of the fear of dying has gone from HIV. By all accounts you should expect to live 20 or 30 years if you take the medication as prescribed.

BUT the real killer is that you would never be able to have bareback sex again : (

For the other question about herpes. If you have an open sore then the risks skyrocket. Its not the herpes per se but rather the open sores it causes

[BionicMan]

Of course I am not saying that anyone should be taking risks but the odds for a cure soon are good and hope is not lost for those who are or get infected.

In a pinch you are right, talking extreme. Leaving side effects and collateral damages, ie infecting other people, say you are fifty and you have HIV sexually contracted you might have good chances, probably, to die for other health causes, befor HIV itself damages your body bringing it to death. I say sexually in the sense you are not a druggie (that itself represents a huge risk as the body is affected by the effects of drugs) or something similar. Probably if you get some sort of "virus" desease by itself, pneumonia, etc, not as a consequence of HIV, HIV might still play a role as it generates a reduction of self immunity and defenses. Just a personal and non qualified thought.

[Pekkakoo]

Of course nothing is 100% certain in this world but given the current research a cure for AIDS is around the corner. If you are 30 now and catch HIV you probably live until 60-70 years at least with medication. What do you think, what is that probability that in 30-40 years there will be a cure for AIDS? I honestly think it is almost 100. Because this one company I talked about promised it in 5 years, max 10. You can live 10 years almost certainly with HIV. Plus there are many more companies researching and looking for a cure, one of them must succeed in let's say 2-10 years certainly.

What if there won't be a cure in 30-40 years? Well, then you still live until 60-70.

Of course I am not saying that anyone should be taking risks but the odds for a cure soon are good and hope is not lost for those who are or get infected.

[PinkPearl]

Hi,

I feel the discussed problems have become more overwhelming.

Did you notice the recent WHO declaration about gonorrhea, the resistance of the bacteria against cephalosporine antibiotics and the growing incurability of the disease?

Rather bad aspects fpr tha future. And even a simple bare blow job can infect you when the girl keeps those bacteria chronically in her mouth or throat.

Enjoy but be careful!

FV

Some STI's are incurable. Gonorrhea is not one of them. Gono is curable. So no need to feel "overwhelmed" or cry.

The bottom line: gonorrhea is still easily curable in 100% of cases, so there is no need ATM to have a panic attack about it.

Maybe in about 5 years we'll hear of the first case of "incurable" clap, or they'll have developed a vaccine or new antibiotics by then.

Meanwhile, what you can do now to prevent easily curable gono is:

1. Learn to use a condom correctly & pray it doesn't fail you or you fail it.

2. Have your playgirl playmate gono tested before you have sex, rather than after she gives it to you.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

3. All of the above.

4. Only have sex with yourself, the ultimate "cheap Charlie" solution.

5. Join a monastery or become a monk, or other forms of do-it-yourself mental / physical castration.

"Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, can reduce the risk of getting or giving gonorrhea. The most certain way to avoid gonorrhea is to not have sex or to be in a long-term, mutually monogamous relationship with a partner who has been tested and is known to be uninfected."

http://www.cdc.gov/std/Gonorrhea/STDFact-gonorrhea.htm

Drug-Resistant Gonorrhea: WHO Agrees It's An Emergency.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...gonorrhea-who/

If interested.

Slim

Sure thing. I'm headed out the door to the hospital "emergency" room right now. LOL.

I'll take the "scenic route". And get a few thousand BBBJ's & SBBFS's on the way!

[BionicMan]

Therefore if you catch HIV today you will probably never die from it.

Never a joking subject but it is inevitable to ask: "any volunteer?"

[Pekkakoo]

Does having a herpes either active or inactive on your penis increase the risk of catching HIV?

The good news is that a Finnish company is very far in developing a HIV vacionation. They are now testing it and it will be ready for human use withinin 5 years. In addition to protecting you from getting HIV they say it either eliminates HIV totally from those who are already infected or at least stops it from proceeding so it should not do any harm anymore.

Therefore if you catch HIV today you will probably never die from it.

[FlyingVisitor]

Hi,

I feel the discussed problems have become more overwhelming.

Did you notice the recent WHO declaration about gonorrhea, the resistance of the bacteria against cephalosporine antibiotics and the growing incurability of the disease?

Rather bad aspects fpr tha future. And even a simple bare blow job can infect you when the girl keeps those bacteria chronically in her mouth or throat.

Enjoy but be careful!

FV

[PinkPearl]

I feel certain that Gays, Drug Users and Bi Sexuals are by far the highest risk group and account for the majority of new cases.

Homosexuals will have higher rates of HIV if they engage in riskier sex behaviour than heterosexuals. For example, anal sex, especially without a condom, is much more dangerous than vaginal sex. Since you have been engaging in uncovered anal sex with females, this is practicing the same high risk behaviour that leads "gays" to have high HIV rates. Also, who can say these 25-30 females you've recently barebacked were not previously having bareback sex directly or indirectly with those in these 3 "highest risk groups" or be drug users themselves?

If you had unprotected sex and there were no open lesions on you or the girl and no blood of any kind and you are circumsized then the chances of transmission are low. And that is assuming the girl has HIV anyway.

I am still certain that for vaginal sex with no other STD's present then the risk is low. But still not worth taking.

Circumcision will help & cut your HIV risk by about 1/2 or 50 percent.

But if there was blood inside her, due to her period or something else, you may not know about it till it was too late and you were already exposed. The fragile anal tissues are easily damaged & bleed, blood being a carrier of HIV to transmit the disease.

Genital ulcers inside a ladies' vagina increase your HIV risk about 5 times. Unless the lady has been professionally checked for those, you won't be aware that she has them.

"Risk increases in the presence of many sexually transmitted infections[96] and genital ulcers. [92] Genital ulcers increase the risk approximately five fold[92] and there is a lesser increase in risk from STIs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, trichomoniasis, and bacterial vaginosis. [94]Rough sex also appears to increase the risk. [97]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV

As for "other STD's", how are you going to know none are present unless she's been tested? It's questionable the 25-30 girls you barebacked were ever tested for anything since, as you say,"none of them were concerned about condom use and in many cases we engaged in both vaginal and anal sex". So either (1) they are ignorant re basic safer sex matters & just want to have fun (sanook) , or (2) they know they are acting foolishly but don't care to take good care of themselves, and / or figure they'll leave it up to fate or karma if they get HIV or not, or (3) maybe they already have HIV &/or are imitating a German who purposely infected many TGs. There have been reports of FSW in BKK who know they are HIV positive yet still choosing to work & even have BBFS with customers.

Comparing your 25-30 (mostly non P4P TGs) who never used condoms & often even had receptive BB anal sex with you to Thai female sex workers (FSW) in venues who reported using condoms about 95% of the time, and I have to wonder, which group is higher risk.

Another point to consider is that if your sex sessions are an average of 60 minutes long each time, then your exposure to an HIV infected woman would be 10 times as long as the guy who's finished in 6 minutes.

Then you have to factor in the likelihood of a girl having HIV which is probably in the order of 2% for working girls who service foreigners.

From recent Thai studies the 2% figure for FSW in Thailand was for those in venues only (e. G. Gogos, MP's) , but would certainly be higher for the subset of that group who often go without condoms, since BBFS is much more risky behaviour than using condoms consistently. (Which BTW is why I recommend a safer BBFS, or SBBFS, for those who wish to forgoe the use of condoms.) The HIV rate for BKK freelancers, e. G. Streetwalkers & FSW at places like Beergarden & Thermae, at 19% was much higher, probably because they use condoms much less frequently than venue based sex workers and can't be bothered with other safe sex practices like regular STI testing.

So I think it would be reasonable to conclude that a random Thai FSW or non P4P TG who regularly engages in BBFS with any customer or sex partner who requests it is going to be in a much higher percentage HIV risk category, not a lower percentage group.

In all honesty if I picked up an STD then I would be more worried about the HIV likliehood purely because I would assume the girl didn't take good care of herself (plus open lesions etc). Still probably a low chance though.

What's a "low chance" for HIV infection per act? One in a thousand? Ten thousand? 100K? Half a milion? A trillion?

Or when you calculate it over a few years or decades? One percent? 20, 50, 80, 99% of becoming HIV infected?

At the risk of one in a 100 trillion chance per act I'd happily bareback any & every hot thing with a pussy. But at a 1 in 1, 000 chance, forget it. Since I'd probably be HIV infected within a few years, let alone decades.