Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[MongerForSex]

So maybe I am making this more complex than it is but the safest way to have sex with working girls is.

Trim your pubic hair as this can be a medium to catch disease.

Put the condom on before touching their cochi.

Don't use thin condoms, because they are more likely to break.

After removing the condom wash your private areas with soap and water.

I've heard hand sanitizer is a bad ideas because it dries out skin but can't you just use it and then moisturize? Is there any safe, useful, post sex disinfectant?

Yea I know there's always risks, no I'm not germafobe, I'm just trying to get tips for best practice as we are with woman who might see several clients in a day and we might see many girls in a day so there are a few minor habits to develop to make this as safe as possible. I figure here is a good place to find wise people who can share precautions, thanks y'all.

The best way to avoid STDs is not to have sex outside the marriage. Become a good catholic, attend a church every Friday, follow all the ten commandements and go to confesion regularly. STD is the worst thing that can happen to you. STD is a punishment. Don't forget not to jack off because you can become deaf and blind.

[LivingFossil]

So maybe I am making this more complex than it is but the safest way to have sex with working girls is.

Trim your pubic hair as this can be a medium to catch disease.

Put the condom on before touching their cochi.

Don't use thin condoms, because they are more likely to break.

After removing the condom wash your private areas with soap and water.

I've heard hand sanitizer is a bad ideas because it dries out skin but can't you just use it and then moisturize? Is there any safe, useful, post sex disinfectant?

Yea I know there's always risks, no I'm not germafobe, I'm just trying to get tips for best practice as we are with woman who might see several clients in a day and we might see many girls in a day so there are a few minor habits to develop to make this as safe as possible. I figure here is a good place to find wise people who can share precautions, thanks y'all.

[Syzygies]

Dr GG, I know your real name is Mr Know It All, that's why I can't argue with you. Have a good day. I wish you much success in your medical carrier.

Many of us suffer from posting what appears to be a bit overly dogmatic. As a scientific type, I know well that theories can be disproved by counter-example, but cannot be proved always true by example, no matter how many examples we have.

We have to make allowances for rare possibilities too. So Catching HSV2 after HSV1 may well be possible even if a bit rarer. Web reports studies that showed it was possible, unless of course misdiagnosis. However allow for it being possible. We should be very careful about implying things are impossible unless is very provable (not easy).

Even if HIV is normally in Gays, Intravenous drug users, blood transfusion patients, or children caught from mother, there are clearly plenty of Thai housewives that died of AIDs believed to be not in those categories. Even circumcised males could catch HIV from a woman although may be rare.

All studies are tough because people are such lairs about what they did and what they did not do. So asking a patient can be a bit useless.

Sex surveys were also discredited because subjects were such lairs about their sex frequency and prowess. I am happy to admit that all my life I got an inadequate sex life from my normal partners and that was a contributing factor to mongering, starting from having a Farang wife who got horny once a month. GFs that did provide a lot of sex and sufficient to keep me away from mongering, were somewhat Psycho, and I could not live with them. The relationship did not last, even I stopped mongering for some months.

My current GF never gave me quite enough too, but was better than past partners. Now I can see that I can get sex a lot, if she has her mood turned by smoking premium grade in a bong. If no stuff, then her coming down off that puts her in a non favourable mood. Will beer be enough to get her in the right loose mood? Maybe some days. This is so different to myself not needing any of these things to be in the mood. So now I know the way to get lots of sex, for the price of premium grade "herbs". What she grew herself, was no where near as effective, but had some effect. These are things learned.

Guys with a regular partner who wants sex every day, with any substance assisting, are really quite fortunate. I am away a lot so have to put up with long periods of no sex too. Other guys have just decided to outsource nearly all sex for the remainder of their days. This is the most reliable way to get it, and not be bored, I guess.

Was strange the mass hysteria that accompanied "Herpes" but almost died away when HIV became the big one. I still don't have conclusive evidence if I ever had HSV or not since long term tests were inconclusive, but I have given up caring now. It just does not matter any more. I am happy to not have cold sores coming up, like others less fortunate, of course, but it is not the worst disease to be having. I just realise I don't need certainty.

I was shocked in the pub when girl arrived wearing a mask, and said she had a cold or flu (a virus), then the manager says to her to get those anti-biotics going straight away. Surely people should know antibiotics does nothing against a virus, and are a waste of time, doing far more harm than good, unless we have a bad bacterial infection that really calls for antibiotics. I won't take anti-biotics any more unless I am sure my condition demands it. Just stuffs up my gut too badly, causing weight gain. I may well have some issues caused by long term antibiotics abuse too, when I was young and trying to get rid of acne.

[MongerForSex]

You seem quite DAFT. Dude.

Yes. It IS possible to have HSV1 in your genital area.

But that is not common.

So while your theory may potentially hold water (and I am not a medical professional, but I can think logically) that once you have HSV1 around your mouth, you might not catch it around the genitals. (though actually I'm not at all convinced you would not).

BUT.

You can not account for the HSV2 (aka genital) virus which again MIGHT also manifest itself around the mouth, but overwhelmingly manifests itself in your genital area, (and often on the penis itself).

Strain 1 does NOT give immunity against strain 2.

The readers can do their own research, ask their own doctors and decide accordingly. But you had to be called out on spreading this nonsense.

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I never tell people not to see doctors. Quite the reverse, I urge people to see skin specialists when it comes to skin conditions affecting genital area and urulogists when it comes to male internal reproductive organs and to make their own decision. Where did you see in my posts saying people should not see specialists. I am against misdiagnosis and misinformation. Even worse, I am against general practicioners and some medical specialists pretending to know how to treat some medical conditions that are not in their field.

Doctors all have different opinions, You are partially immune to HSV2 if you contracted cold sore, but when you catch it, your symptoms are so mild you can't notice them and less severe than a person that has never been exposed to HSV1. I partially agree with him. If your symptoms are less severe and you can't notice them, that means you are immune to it. Every doctor is different. People should see the doctors they want and take the advice they want. HSV blood tests are not accurate, the only way to diagnose HSV is taking a tissue sample of the sore for examination in the laboratory. The laboratory will confirm the diagnosis of the specialist. PS : The laboratory can't diagnose every disease with one sample, that's why the diagnosis of the specialist is important. Sample diagnosis is more accurate than blood test.

People with severe outbreak have lowered immune system because of many causes. HIV is not the only cause for lowered immunity.

https://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/HSV1-Immunity/show/2099219

https://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/HSV-2-Immunity/show/664180

I now want to congratulate on the medical diploma obtained on Google. Your name is Dr Google, you are right I have to be called out on spreading nonsense. All my information is not accurate, My studies and experience are useless because Youtube and Google are here to educate us. We don't need people to study medicine in university anymore.

[Catire]

Many published evidences don't say the same, as a doctor, you have to know scientific evidences change every year. scientific data don't say the same, that's why the evidences are useless. You have to know HSV1 also affects genital area. When you catch HSV1, you build immunity.

You believe in the evidence you want, there are many different evidences.

I don't ask my patients if they caught HSV1 because it's useless, many conditions mimic HSV1. Ex: people mistake other oral ulcers for HSV1. I also don't need because I can see their medical history.

HSV is a stigma that affects people mentally, It's sad how people are paranoid about STDs and useless scientific data advertise about STDs when there are many medical conditions that are way worse. I am not from the USA but I am an American citizen. I had also studied for a few years in a medical school in university in the USA. I was born in Brazil and am proud to work as a medical professional in Brazil because I can see many skin conditions that don't exist or are rare in the USA..

You seem quite DAFT. Dude.

Yes. It IS possible to have HSV1 in your genital area.

But that is not common.

So while your theory may potentially hold water (and I am not a medical professional, but I can think logically) that once you have HSV1 around your mouth, you might not catch it around the genitals. (though actually I'm not at all convinced you would not).

BUT.

You can not account for the HSV2 (aka genital) virus which again MIGHT also manifest itself around the mouth, but overwhelmingly manifests itself in your genital area, (and often on the penis itself).

Strain 1 does NOT give immunity against strain 2.

The readers can do their own research, ask their own doctors and decide accordingly. But you had to be called out on spreading this nonsense.

Ate logo!

p.s. No one here (at least I am not) arguing about how genital herpes is worse than many other medical and epidermal conditions that you may come across. That's a completely different discussion. Especially with the use of meds like basic acyclovir, people with genital herpes lead perfectly normal lives. I'm not trying to stigmatize the condition nor anyone who has it. But to suggest one has immunity against something whereas one does NOT - is a different thing altogether.

[MongerForSex]

Well, again,. I can't stand this. I'll keep it simple. You can get HSV2 (commonly known as genital herpes) even if you have had HSV1.

https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/...y-to-Genital-H

I assume Dr MFS that when your patients with genital herpes come in that you ask them "have you ever had a cold sore on your tongue or lips etc). And if the answer is no, then you say "oh that's why you got genital herpes".

Again, I warn the readers of this board not to take this advice because its just not accurate.

(Dr.) GG.

P. S: And just because I am US trained I do not think I'm better than you. I just use (published) evidence in decision making.

Many published evidences don't say the same, as a doctor, you have to know scientific evidences change every year. scientific data don't say the same, that's why the evidences are useless. You have to know HSV1 also affects genital area. When you catch HSV1, you build immunity.

You believe in the evidence you want, there are many different evidences.

I don't ask my patients if they caught HSV1 because it's useless, many conditions mimic HSV1. Ex: people mistake other oral ulcers for HSV1. I also don't need because I can see their medical history.

HSV is a stigma that affects people mentally, It's sad how people are paranoid about STDs and useless scientific data advertise about STDs when there are many medical conditions that are way worse. I am not from the USA but I am an American citizen. I had also studied for a few years in a medical school in university in the USA. I was born in Brazil and am proud to work as a medical professional in Brazil because I can see many skin conditions that don't exist or are rare in the USA.

I warn the readers of this board to take the advice of Dr GG because I don't really care what you people do in your life.

Dr GG, I know your real name is Mr Know It All, that's why I can't argue with you. Have a good day. I wish you much success in your medical carrier.

[Geneva Guy]

Many medical literatures also proved the opposite. Scientific arguments are useless. HSV1 offers protection against HSV2. Scientists don't know anything because they never agree each other. I only believe in what I see (my patients).

Ok Dr Catire, you are right. Have a good day.

Well, again,. I can't stand this. I'll keep it simple. You can get HSV2 (commonly known as genital herpes) even if you have had HSV1.

https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/...y-to-Genital-H

I assume Dr MFS that when your patients with genital herpes come in that you ask them "have you ever had a cold sore on your tongue or lips etc). And if the answer is no, then you say "oh that's why you got genital herpes".

Again, I warn the readers of this board not to take this advice because its just not accurate.

(Dr.) GG.

P. S: And just because I am US trained I do not think I'm better than you. I just use (published) evidence in decision making.

[MongerForSex]

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell people that oral herpes makes you immune to genital herpes??

Yes, same same but DIFFERENT (strain). Yes, there is limited stigma over former and big stigma over latter.

Every piece of medical literature out there calls you a liar.

Whether it's on Google or not.

2 LOCATIONS - same same , but different. Getting a cold sore on your lip doesn't prevent you from then catching/getting ones in your genital area

Many medical literatures also proved the opposite. Scientific arguments are useless. HSV1 offers protection against HSV2. Scientists don't know anything because they never agree each other. I only believe in what I see (my patients).

Ok Dr Catire, you are right. Have a good day.

[Catire]

You are incorrect, Google is not your friend. Having HSV1 makes you immune to HSV2. If you have an outbreak, that means you have a problem with your immune system, it's not difficult to understand. So you mean I don't know my job and studied years for nothing.

Congratulation, you got your medical diploma on Google.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell people that oral herpes makes you immune to genital herpes??

Yes, same same but DIFFERENT (strain). Yes, there is limited stigma over former and big stigma over latter.

Every piece of medical literature out there calls you a liar.

Whether it's on Google or not.

2 LOCATIONS - same same , but different. Getting a cold sore on your lip doesn't prevent you from then catching/getting ones in your genital area

[MongerForSex]

Sometimes I think I want to monger for life. But there is no cure for herpes, if you ever want to settle down with someone you got to tell them they'll get it too. Heavy stuff.

I never DATY or have BBBJ, no disrespect to those who do.

I want to smash all these girls but want to settle down one day STD free. So conflicted!

Keep being being paranoid about STDs, it's a good way to protect yourself from STDs. When you travel to Thailand, don't forget to put on a mask, you could catch pneumonia or tuberculosis, never eat outside and you should cook by yourself because you could catch gastroenteritis.

[Goatscrot]

Sometimes I think I want to monger for life. But there is no cure for herpes, if you ever want to settle down with someone you got to tell them they'll get it too. Heavy stuff.

I never DATY or have BBBJ, no disrespect to those who do.

I want to smash all these girls but want to settle down one day STD free. So conflicted!

As stated in another post, a good deal of folks worldwide have herpes and most did not get in from p4 p. And people can be carriers and be asymptotic. It's a risk of having multiple sex partners. In much of the world the stigma is not so great.

[MongerForSex]

THIS IS STUNNINGLY INCORRECT.

HSV1 is so called oral herpes, and yes most people have it.

Having it does not make you immune to catching HSV2 , aka genital herpes. And it doesn't matter how good your immune system is if you come into contact with viral outbreak of HSV / genital, you will catch it and you will have an outbreak.

Google is your friend, you know.

https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/...y-to-Genital-H

You are incorrect, Google is not your friend. Having HSV1 makes you immune to HSV2. If you have an outbreak, that means you have a problem with your immune system, it's not difficult to understand. So you mean I don't know my job and studied years for nothing.

Congratulation, you got your medical diploma on Google.

[Crocodilexp]

Sometimes I think I want to monger for life. But there is no cure for herpes, if you ever want to settle down with someone you got to tell them they'll get it too. Heavy stuff.

I never DATY or have BBBJ, no disrespect to those who do.

I want to smash all these girls but want to settle down one day STD free. So conflicted!

There's a huge stigma against "Herpes" (especially in the US), but if you call it "cold sores", which is the same thing, people seem not to care much. The prevalence among US adults is about 50% anyway.

If you want to monger but are ultra-paranoid about all STDs, you're in the wrong business. Sure, the risks exist, take precautions and wrap up, but there's no point in obsessing or exaggerating.

[Travv]

Repost of article on how to prevent infection by herpes and bacteria. Chemical and Engineering review study of personal lubricants - 9 times lower risk of infection using coconut oil as lubricant.

Studies raise questions about safety of personal lubricants. Some experiments find cell damage and increased risk of sexually transmitted infections.

"Although most people will list only K-why Jelly when asked to recall the names of personal lubricants, hundreds of the products are being used for sex across the globe. These sex aids are designed to make things easier. So it's a little unsettling that experiments carried out in recent years have indicated that some of the products might be smoothing the way for disease transmission.

Used to reduce friction and increase pleasure during intercourse, lubricants are about a $219 million market in the USA Alone, according to the Chicago-based market research firm SymphonyIRI Group.

For instance, K-why Warming Jelly, which has an osmolality more than 30 times the body's own fluid, increased herpes transmission more than ninefold compared with rodents not administered lubricant (BMC Infect. Dis. , DOI: 10.1186/1471-2334-10-331).

http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i50/S...sonal.html2012

Commenter Michael: "These studies suggest that perhaps light, vegetable based oils, typically shunned because they are not water soluble like natural body fluids, may be a better base for formulating personal lubricants. " I. E. Antibacteriological and antiviral oil like Coconut oil for lubrication. . . That do not damage skin and increase herpes transmission, unlike K-why Jelly.

In a nutshell, herpes viruses have a lipid (fatty) skin - " Regarding the natural treatment of herpes infection, we can take advantage of the characteristics of the virus to impact its tendency to erupt. Since the virus is essentially a piece of DNA surrounded by a fatty layer, if we target this aspect we can largely "disable" the virus. Luckily, we have two substances which are known to target this tendency of the virus. . . (#2 coconut oil). https://www.westonaprice.org/health-...doctor/herpes/.

[Catire]

HSV and HPV are not really dangerous if your immune system is good, you won't develop warts or outbreak of herpes. Almost everybody has HSV, If you have HSV1, you are immune to HSV2.

THIS IS STUNNINGLY INCORRECT.

HSV1 is so called oral herpes, and yes most people have it.

Having it does not make you immune to catching HSV2 , aka genital herpes. And it doesn't matter how good your immune system is if you come into contact with viral outbreak of HSV / genital, you will catch it and you will have an outbreak.

Google is your friend, you know.

https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/...y-to-Genital-H