Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[The Traveler]

As an aside to all this: when one drinks water in Thai bars as Skinles does, the staff often think it is because you are infected as that is the reason most expats drink water.

Domino,

where is the connection between drinking water and having a STD/VD ?
I understand that someone has to avoid alcohol if he got hepatitis, but water is just a soft drink. Hepatitis in a certain stage can easily be determined (or guessed) by the color of your eyes. Guess that's a better sign than drinking water.

[Dinghy]

Domino - really on the water?

I rarely drink anything except water or mixed water/something not sweet. To appease 1 bar owner, I actually had a beer (after I had eeen going there for a week) She was surprised

Much alcohol tends to cause "other" problems with my metabolism, but lots of fluids is good

(40 odd years ago, I had the occassion in PigAlley in Paris to unfortunate with a good looking French piece who gave me the gift that keeps on giving. - Been there, done that - wished I hadn't done her at all)

[Domino]

Chlamydia is a good and relatively painless lesson,.... And if you test positive a mere seven to ten days on Doxycycline will calm the storm.

Painless? Well so is pissing razor blades
a mere seven to ten days: it depends on the actual dose. Lots of Thai skanks are very dirty down there as they fuck through their illnesses and Thailand is well known for its virulent strains. Many of the hookers probably never get properly cleaned up at all. Skanking remains a risky proposition.

As an aside to all this: when one drinks water in Thai bars as Skinles does, the staff often think it is because you are infected as that is the reason most expats drink water. Maybe something to think of if you are trying to proposition a skanky Thai barmaid.

[Coma Boy]

I was bitten by the STD bug recently. Not a major one really: Chlamydia. Apparently 70% of the women in US have it. It is more common among teenagers. The symptoms are so often ignorable that patients do not know it.

I usually practice very safe sex: no BBBjs for me.

I may have let go a bit in BKK with a go-go girl who gave me a BBBJ for around 15 sec before the CBJ. I do not know if I was already infected but either I infected her or she infected me.

Never mongered since Jan 1st week of 2005.

LOL- a taste of Chlamydia is good for you- nothing like Urethritis to help you repent sins. Plus, that uthethral swab sort of feels nice too.

Chlamydia is a good and relatively painless lesson, that could scare you just enough to stop you catching something worse in the future.

It is extremely difficult to catch this from oral so I doubt you caught it from the go-go-oral.

I didn't realise anyone actually did CBJs, I thought it was an urban myth. I've not once in my life had a CBJ.

Chlamydia is not only rife in Thailand, but also like you say in the US, and everywhere else. A recent study in the UK found that one in eight men, and one in ten women tested positive for Chlamydia. The figures were even higher for teenagers.

The biggest problem with Chlamydia is that 50% of men and 70% of women are asymptomatic, ie- they have no idea they have it. This is one good reason to visit a GUM clinic every so often, even if all seems happy downstairs. And if you test positive a mere seven to ten days on Doxycycline will calm the storm.

Hope your cock feels better soon and may your passion for mongering return with a vengeance.

[The Traveler]

Seydlitz,

good to see you back, hope everything we were talking about in our last mails went out fine.

I agree with all you said, but most girls I have been with - who cater the farang section of the sex biz - do actually insist on protection. They will provide BBBJ, but no fun without a condom.

These girls are well aware about the risks and do realize that they are the main source of income for their families which has to be protected.

[Johnson45]

Anyone else experience anything like this?

Last time I was in LOS for a month I took viagra all the time and got large bulging vain that didn't go down. Luckly it went down went I went back home. It took about three or four days of no viagra before it went down. It didn't hurt.

[Seydlitz]

It is very easy to have condomless sex in Thailand, for many reasons:

1. many girls do not care much, it is in their mentality to be fatalistic and fun-loving.
2. if you go to MPs that cater to the Asian market, condom use is not so frequent, as many Asian men do not want to use it. (They seem to believe AIDS is a Farang thing, that is why many such places are Asian only).
3. Girls can be carried away by the moment and lose sight of whether you use a condom or not.
4. if you are with a girl for some time, she will easily consider that she is your GF, and in their mind GF sex is condomless. "Some time" might mean several days, or just the second shot of the first encounter.

For all those reasons, you should never count on the girl to be the one enforcing safe sex. You are in charge, and you need to be strong enough to use condoms in all circumstances, because the choice is often entirely yours. Or else, you are into risk management area ...

[Johnson45]

If they would do it with me, then they do it with others too.

So many of them let me go bare back in Pattay about 6 months ago. Some of them I even pressured in to it. I feel bad about this now. They can be talked into it and its up to us to not do that.

[The Traveler]

When I was in pattaya I would ask farangs who lived there if aids is a problem and everybody said no. I wonder if it's becuase no one talks abot it when they get it.

Johnson,

yes, that's the reason and you better be safe than sorry. Do always wear a condom !!!

I used to know two HIV positive girls myself. They caught it after they had been with me, but I tested anyway for peace of mind. One died several years ago and the other one left for good, don't know if she is still alive or not.

It's easy for the girls to avoid tests at gogos and MPs. They take a day off or pay the doc for a negative result. Freelancers and bar girls do not test at all. Nobody really knows the current rate of infection but I wouldn't dare to go bareback.

Furthermore given the time the body needs to develop antibodies after an infection, a test might be negative even though the girl carries the virus. So a monthly test doesn't help much.

I sometimes even test if they would allow me to have intercourse without protection. If they do not insist on a condom and would allow me to do it without protection, I immediately pay them and send them off. If they would do it with me, then they do it with others too.

[MS Clive]

Contracting HIV from a BBBJ is extremely unlikely, it’s like being struck by lightning, but as you know some people are actually struck by lightning now and then.

The risk appears when your hired mouth has open sores or a bleeding area (by the teeth, lips or wherever).

I remember one occasion in the Sacred City of Pattaya when, after a long BBBJCIM, the Beach Road worker took a towel and wiped millions of spermatozoa from her mouth. When she left the towel I noticed some small red stains on it, I asked her what it was and she pointed to her lower lip: I looked at it and it was bleeding slightly. The BBBJCIM had been so long that her lip had started to bleed! She had been blowing me bareback while her blood was coming out!

I knew that had been a high-risk experience and there was the chance of contracting HIV as well as other less serious shits.

Anyway, this was a few years ago and all my regular STD tests since then have been fine.

I keep enjoying BBBJ’s as usual, because after all we only live once.

Gladiator,

Would you be giving us the same advice "you only live once" even if you had an STD? Well, if you only live once don't you want to live longer?

I got a bloody STD and I can tell you, I'd rather be impotent than to have HIV or even herpes. That will ruin your libido and much more.

Please do CBJ. Not that much different in feeling but do yourself and the girl that favor. Remember that if she does BBBJs, one thing is definitely true:

1) Either she already has a major STD and now using a condom is "up to you"
2) She has definitely sucked someone who has HIV. Do you want to share the same mouth? Remember that she gets around 20 clients per month and one of them will have the HIV. 14 out of 20 have some form of STD anyway.

If you want to gamble with your life do so. But do not do that if you are married and still mongering. You owe that to your wife (and kids).

[MS Clive]

Fly for Thai,

Please get STD checked. I recently got one - chlamydia. But I will live.

70% of US population has STDs but they do not know it. Especially common among teens. Much more common among SW and mongers, I bet. The statistic is huge but true. I did not know until my doctor here in the USA told me so.

I always use a condom for FS as well as BJ. Only on one occasion did I have a BBBJ for 15 sec or so. Yet I caught it. Apparently chlamydia bacteria also resides in the throat and I do enjoy kissing during FS. Maybe that's how I got it.

Please practice safe sex guys.

[Johnson45]

This is not a mongering report but I want to share what I saw in Udon. I'm here visting a friend I met so I have not been out mongering.

We went to visit her family in outside of Udon (Nang Bua Lam Phu). In her little village of about 100 people there were two women with aids and there husbands and children had it also. One of them said they got it from her husband who also worked at a bar.

It was so scary to see this up close that it scared the hell out of me. It made me regret everytime I didn't use a condom.

When I was in pattaya I would ask farangs who lived there if aids is a problem and everybody said no. I wonder if it's becuase no one talks abot it when they get it.

Anyway I just wanted to share this. Its "up to you " what this all means.

I was so scared yesterday when we went to the hopital to get are blood test. We are both clean for HIV and Hep A. Hep B took to long for the results so I passed since I won't be here that long.

Good Luck All.

[Johnson45]

Were can I get my HIV test in Udon Thani?

[Fly for Thai]

not sure if i should post this under safe sex or not. but it will touch on some safe sex topics. i went to angel witch, nep on the 8th of april. i met a real sweet warm cutie. cut to the chase, i bar fined her. while she is getting changed into street clothes i pop a quarter of a 100mg viagra. i doubt that i’m going to need it. but i wanted a hard-on that could drive railroad spikes. we get back to my room and after the showers and some fooling around i reach for a condom. i started with a durex color and flavor condom for oral. as i roll it on i notice that it seems really tight. it’s a little painful to roll it on. but i ignore that. the blowjob was good. we fool around some more. i reach for a kimono ultra thin condom to replace the durex for the main event. as i roll this one on i notice that it too is too tight. i also see a little bruising on the shaft about a ½ inch below the head. i ignore that in anticipation of the main event. i’m using astroglide lube. we start and damn her pussy is so so tight. we go through some positions and eventually work our way to doggie. i get a little too aggressive i think. i miss the mark.

the condom doesn’t slip but catches on her skin. i know that i’ve bent it a bit too much. but i don’t really think too much of it. then as i try to re-enter her from behind i feel pain at the base of the head. i pull out altogether and take a real close look. i see a little blood in the condom. now that sends me from 0 to freaked real quick. i jump out of bed and head to the bathroom to take a closer look. i take the condom off. i take a quick shower washing the important parts. then i fill the condom with water to see if i can find any holes. i find no leaks in the condom. then i take a close look at my dick. the top 1/3 of the head is bruised. a nice dark bruise is forming on both sides of the shaft, but mostly on the right side. it appears that i tore a very tiny bit of skin at the tip of the urethra. she freaked out a lot less than i did but my jumping out of bed did scare her a bit. she took a quick shower. i then explain what happened and that we can’t have sex. we spent the night together. it was very s/o like.

in the morning i enjoy her body and do the best i can to make her feel good. it was pretty hot turning her on knowing that i wasn’t going to have sex with her. though i really wish i could have. for the next 2 days it burns when i [CodeWord111] and when the [CodeWord109] comes in contact with the cut. [CodeWord112] reopens the cut so that i see a drop or two of blood when i [CodeWord111]. the cut healed just fine in 2 days. the bruise faded completely within 10 days. i still can get a normal erection but feel just a hint of pain still at the base of the head. i think the pain will fade away altogether in a couple more days. this experience pretty much ruined my mongering while on vacation. i just wasn’t comfortable having sex with a dick that was in less then tip top shape. not to mention it hurt a little when i had a hard-on. i didn’t have sex again for the rest of the trip. however two days after getting bent i bar fined a girl in phuket. her name was tar and damn she was… i could fall in love. but i’m not going to do that. i don’t have her number or email and i’m back in the states. anyway, we didn’t have sex for the reasons listed above. but she did give me a handjob. though the hard-on hurt a bit, it felt great while getting a handjob. it was perhaps the best orgasm i had in years. i damn near drowned the girl in a massive facial.

anyone else experience anything like this? i think the viagra, the tight condoms and too little lube resulted in increased wear and tear on the woman maker. what do you think? would you have been comfortable having sex if you faced similar circumstances?

[Domino]

Gentlemen (if such exist): Plese ocnvey this news to any loose ladies of your acquaintance. I do not want them losing their teeth, even though I am partial to bbbjs by toothless wonders. A concerned John T Domino

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...th/4335939.stm
Lip piercings 'can shrink gums'
Having a lip piercing is bad for the gums and can make them shrink back from the teeth, dentists warn. The longer people wear the piercing, the worse the recession is, researchers from Ohio State University in the US found - in a study of 58 young adults.

The British Dental Association reported in its official journal in 2003 of the same risk with tongue piercings. Oral piercing - a trend growing in popularity - can cause life-threatening infections and reactions, it said.


It will only be one or two teeth affected - but they are front teeth, so not ones you want to lose UK dental expert Professor Jimmy Steele, from Newcastle University The Ohio team said that people with lip piercings were far more likely to have receding gums than those without piercings.

Gum recession is associated with gum disease, which can cause the loss of teeth that are otherwise healthy.

When the dental researchers examined the young people's mouths they found average recession depth was more than double in those with piercings, compared with those without piercings.

Dr Dimitris Tatakis and his team presented their findings at a conference of the International & American Association for Dental Research.

Tooth loss

Professor Jimmy Steele, from Newcastle University's Dental School in the UK, said people who had, or were considering getting, a lip piercing should take heed of the findings. "The metal of the lip stud is physically rubbing over the gum at the neck of the tooth causing the gum to recede.

"Once this has happened, you don't get the gum back and it often becomes more difficult to clean and therefore even more prone to gum disease in the future. The effect is quite localised so it will only be one or two teeth affected - but they are front teeth, so not ones you want to lose."

He said it was only really a problem for long-term wearers.

He said taking the stud or ring out at night time and making sure the teeth were really clean would help reduce the risk of complications.