Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Eros74]

Scotty Monger thanks,

I did many times anal rimming when i lick her down without knew the name and i also think that good bj must have anal rimming. I didn't think it is so dangerous and if it is, why do you think not dangerous in monogamus relationship? I think bacterya are in every ass LOL. So you mean you can take infections if you lick for few minutes the ass of your woman, even if you lick the ass out and obviously not put the tongue inside it? Once more thanks!

Luca

[Scotty Monger]

Lukasek,

There is no "pretty" way to say this. Anal rimming, is basically licking someone's asshole. This is also called "tossing the salad". IMHO, this is very dangerous except in a long-standing monogomous relationship. I would never consider performing this on a provider, but some providers will perform this on you (often negotiated in advance).

Luego

[Eros74]

Much thanks of all of you answer me! It seems I was a little naive.

Ouch me: Thank you guy for your long answer, but I don't know what is HPV? I have to say that i always had covered sex and only with bj I try to have it uncovered and until now i was in east europe, Russia and Brasil and never in Thai, where it seems to exists more risks? In, I hope, near future I hope to Thai too, now the fly from Italy are 350 euro with return.

Poobah:as you I had irritation local, after many garota in Brasil in few days, in that occasion I broke one rubber cause in night I use the one lub i found there, it was vaseline, yeah I know oil-based lubrificant. Never use it! It broke condom in 1-2 minutes! I came back home and i did tampon uretral, 5 hell of pain, only cause I had irritation cause different food, much alcool, much women, I took nothing luckily and yet now after one year no problem. However now i always covered sex and try to have not covered bj, even if now surely less than before read this reports of us because I totally agree with you that the absence of some acts kill the intimacy and if I travel so far when in Italy I can have SW for 30 euro, from Russia and all east europe. Is cause I would like ot have GFE and in my case means with not covered bj.

What is anal rimming?

I hope this post will be pubblicated,

Thanks!

Luca

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[Poobah]

That was a good point about the friction to the inside. Never thought of that!

[Ouch Me]

Poobah,

Are you in the medical field? Sounds like you know your shit. You are mostly in agreement with things I said. However, I'm not sure about your last explanation on herpes and repeated exposures. Are you implying that most of us have already been exposed orally to herpes and are just not showing symptoms yet? If so, then we (those of us that do oral sex) are all carriers even though asymptomatic, correct? Further, does that mean that we can begin to show symptoms some time down the road?

Herpes is not fun for sure, I mean no STD is. But herpes has no cure, spreads easily, and just makes you miserable. I hate this fact, esp since, like most of us out there, I love to eat raw fish! There's nothing like the taste, feel, and sound of a girl enjoying herself with my tongue action.

Shed some more light on this please. I'm very interested. I can resist some of the BJs to lessen my risk, but I find it REALLY hard not to eat fish with some beauty spread eagle in front of me.

[Gladiator]

It is also advisable to put some water-based lubricant, such as KY, on your tool before you cover it with the condom.

This has the following 2 advantages:

1. It increases greatly the sensation of pleasure during penetration –it is the closest I’ve ever seen to bareback sex.

2. It reduces the internal friction between the latex and your tool and as a result the chance of a breakage will be even more remote.

[Eros74]

Dear Gentlemen,

First of all my thanks for all yours answers!

I think I was a little naive, cause as most of italians my friends I had some cold-smart-proud italian girls and nothing more and it is only few years I started to spend better my juice LOL and to have better fun travelling to monger.

I always thought it was enough to use condom during sex, and not during BJ, to avoid 99% of the risks of sexual diseases, now I see I had big luck. I was in almost every state of east europe, in russia and in brasil, (where I broke the one and the only condom in all my life in few minutes cause during anal I used vaselina, I knew oil-based not good but it gave me the owner of night club together towels and condoms.) still not in Thai, but surely I will.

In your opinion how to compare the risks of sexual disease in Russia, Thai and for example Argentina? Where the highest?

Ouch me: yes you answered me totally, I knew partly what you wrote and I still wonder that seems to be two kind of world, one real word full of risks of sex-disease and the second where most of the friends of mine that use to have sex without and seems nobody never took nothing, even if surely who took disease is shy to speak about it, at least in old-mentality-church closed-italian-mentality-head about sex. What are HPV?

Dinghy: did you use betadyne sometimes? Or only read about it and I guess its use on penis?

Poobah: "I just don't enjoy a BJ with a rubber and with certain chicks I like DATY too much (and they do too) to give it up. "

I am TOTALLY agree with you, I have your same point of view about it. unluckily!

In brasil I had local irritation for a few days, 11 women in 23 days for me was too much. I was used to have 2 or 3 italians girls at year LOL, and I thought I took some disease cause I broke condom, so when I comeback I did "tampone uretrale" (sorry I don't know it in english) tests, 5 tamponi-HELL-of-pain, however I had nothing but I definetly think is inside uretra that bactery goes and give infection and not around glandes, so probably betadyne only make our blame little smaller, if we had BJ or sex uncovered, but it doesn't really help against diseases.

I totally agree also with you about to make personal research, about absence of acts kill intimacy, I think that if I will sit down for hours riding in car or waiting in plane, then I want at least taste BJ without, but surely sex with, even if I will do it much LESS frequently than before read all your answers!

Sorry I don't know what is "anal rimming"? And I don't understand your sentences about it, please could you explain it?

One more time, many thanks.

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[Ljohnson]

I follow a very simple, painless practice which helps me to at least FEEL safer. And I think it does protect me somewhat.

After sex, I [CodeWord140] and take a shower, carefully washing my dick and the surrounding area with soap and hot water. While in the shower, I also take out my trusty bottle of hydrogen peroxide and liberally wash my dick (with special attention to the [CodeWord140] hole) with this inexpensive, antiseptic solution. No burning, not expensive, not time consuming.

So far, no STDs, no problems at all.

[Joe Zop]

Poobah, I agree wholeheartedly that the reasons condoms are not 100% is because of breakage (or other forms of incorrect usage.) That was, in fact, precisely my point.

And like you I've not had a condom break for years, and I use the precise approach you do. I'd go further and say that even if you've got a condom that's been stored incorrectly, the right kind and amount of lube (meaning water-based) will probably still keep it from breaking.

[Poobah]

One post about Condom breakage. The real reason most condoms break is not the thinness of the condom.

The mortal enemies of condoms are time, heat and friction (light also but how they are packaged takes care of that). Usually dudes that have condoms break have not stored them properly (the worst example being the poor sap that stores one in his wallet 'just in case' ). If you want to keep them fresh, keep them cool.

The other thing is, use lube if she's not juiced up. I haven't had a condom break in freaking years, and the time I remember I was with a particularly unenthusiastic partner and I sort of remember just banging away. I was thinking "damn, this chick is dry!!" and bam, condom broke.

I also pretty much buy my supply of condoms for my trip and then buy about half again what I think I'll need. I really have trouble with them and about the only ones that work for me are made of polyurethane (like Trojan Supra). That stuff blows latex away. I think it has more to do with how it transmits heat than how thin it is, although obviously thickness has a good deal to do with heat transmission as well.

One of the best tips I heard was when someone recommended putting a drop of lube in the tip of the condom before you put it on. Damn, that really helps too!!

I remember one sad day when I ran out of jimmies in Pattaya 3 freaking days before I was set to leave. Here I am begging for a good condom from my fellow travellers. Now I just don't like the selection of condoms in Thailand (about as varied as the selection of beer there). So imagine my surprise when a marine gave me one of the govt issued ones. Fucking a, they REALLY don't like those guys to enjoy sex do they? I would have gotten more sensation by wrapping a Michelin around my crank.

[Poobah]

Joe, not to be antagonistic, but the real reason Condoms are not 100% are almost all due to breakage. The people either had them and didn't use them or kept boning once they broke. Maybe that's what you meant and I'm sorry if I misunderstood (and if you don't know what I'm referring to, sorry I went back a few pages as I check in here every few months).

Again you get back to viral/bactierial load. While there are small amounts of viri/bacteria that can get through a condom (and it's very small) with very vigorous activity your exposure is so low that your chances are greatly reduced. Not zero but pretty damn close.

And before someone starts in on that old chestnut 'but the HIV virus is smaller than the latex pores' let me lay that one in the intellectual grave it deserves. HIV does not infect solo. It has to piggyback on other cells to infect you and these are far larger than the latex pores.

If you want to wrap yourself in latex you will probably have a safe time. A great time? No, but a safe one.

I think each one of us should make an educated guess (and educated means doing a lot more research than asking your buds on WSG what they think!!). For me, I am going to engage mostly in covered sex (unless I check it out first), kissing , DATY etc. There are just some acts that by their absence really kill the intimacy, which is why I travel 24 hours in a plane instead of banging my local streetwalker.

Now, anal rimming. Ugh. Ditto for anal sex. Nasty shit, literally. Some of the worst, most drug resistant bacteria reside up your ass. It's why when you get shot or stabbed in the gut it's not the wound that kills you, it's all the horrible bacteria that spill into your gut.

[Poobah]

Hep C, while theoretically possible to get sexually is really not transmitted that way. It is almost entirely transmitted via blood. Hence it's why so many IVDA get it. All the strains of Hepatitis are pretty different. There are like 7 of them out there now (maybe more since I last checked).

Lukasek. It's difficult to assign absolute risk. The best we are doing is a poor guess. There are diseases that are relatively hard to get, esp by a bj. You can get oral to genital transmission of Herpes and in fact it has been proven that viral shedding occurs even when a person doesn't have symptoms (although the greatest chance occurs when s/he has those little clear bumps that are breaking with rich viral juice).

HOWEVER, it is also true that unless you are a monk, you have probably been exposed to Herpes multiple times. You kissing a chick, you going down on a chick, she going down on you, etc etc. Once you get it, you can't get rid of it.

Gonorrhea , you are not going to get going down unless you are already immunocompromised. Almost every case of oropharyngeal gonorrhea (of the throat) is due to someone already having a weakened immune system (like AIDS).

Genital warts largely transmitted by genital to genital contact, although it can be spread by other skin contact. You can get molluscum on your face, arms, you name it, but I've never seen it anywhere but the groin. You have to burn those fuckers off or use a chemical like Podophyllin. There is a new one called Aldara (I believe) that activates your own immune system to kill the viri. Molluscum unlike Herpes will go away on it's own, but it might take YEARS (who wants to wait?).

The reason being is that your oral mucosa is designed to fight infection. Easy to see why, no? There are cellular components present in your mouth that don't exist anywhere else. So unless you have a break, or really bad gum disease the chances are low. There is always a risk, no one can say never, but for me, I just dont enjoy a BJ with a rubber and with certain chicks I like DATY too much (and they do too) to give it up.

The sum total of STD's I think I ever had was one. I had some questionable burning after one trip where I stupidly boned like three chicks sans condom. I didn't go in for the smear. Just did the Cipro/Azithro combo (although some strains of Gon in Asia are Cipro resistant) and it went away. If I am banging away too much for too long I just get some local irritation that is not infectious.

The lavage method of Betadine, Alcohol whatever I sort of pooh-poohed but a microbiologist buddy of mine turned my thinking around on that a bit. But really dipping your wick only gets part of the outer urethra (the inner part of your crank). You really need to get something like a small bulb syringe and squirt that stuff up and let it dribble out. I'm not prepared to go through that, but there are some dudes that do.

Anything really that lowers your viral/bacterial 'load' (amount of whatever nasty you are exposed to) lowers your risk. Therefore even doing something like pissing after sex is not all that unreasonable, but will never afford you the protection of a condom.

[Dinghy]

Betadyne (or betadine) a modified iodine that doesn't "burn" when applied. Highly effective antiseptic, though - but it DOES stain brown

[Ouch Me]

Lukasek,

I believe you mean what diseases and the risks of BJs w/o a condom? Well, many of course, especially in Thailand. I recently read in LOS travel guide that they adjust their population stats some %age due to mortality rates from AIDS! And how accurate do you think Thai health stats are going to be? The stats they have are just the reported or known cases. There's probably hundreds more that are unreported! Yikes!

The thing with most STDs is you usually don't see it with your naked eyes (or dicks). So, if you inspect the BGs mouth before she blows you and it looks clear, you're fooling yourself. By the time herpes makes itself visible in their mouth with those little bumpy protrusions, she's REALLY infected. She could be infected and not show those bumps yet, they're just not visible, but still very contagious. AND the fucked up thing with herpes is its not curable, you just itch, have burning [CodeWord140], and occasional discharges for the rest of your life. THAT SUCKS!

AND to top it off, it is still possible to contract HIV via oral sex, just not as likely as through intercourse. HIV only needs a portal of entry, like a membrane or broken skin. Her mouth is a perfect breeding ground for lots of germs...warm, moist, dark. Just like a girls little wet pussy.

Then there's also HPV. It's really not so bad for us men. We'll get little bumps on our Joes, nothing painful. But when we screw a girl, she gets infected, she'll likely only find out if she has a + pap smear, has to get the lesion or growth frozen or cauterized, but remains at higher risk for cervical cancer and urinary tract infections. So, if you get it, carry it back to your unsuspecting girlfriend or wife (or future gf/wife, what will you tell her?), then you and her are doomed. HPV also has no cure, just remission as with herpes.

So, cover up out there. Think with the head on your shoulders, not the one in the pants. It makes no sense to me to risk your lifetime for a few hours of pleasure!!!!

Wow, so many of the BGs and plenty of porn stars are walking germ specimens. Yikes again.

Holy shit, thats scary stuff.

Does that answer your questions?

[Eros74]

Hi Gentlemen,

Which are the diseases we can take with a not-covered bj? I would like to know your points of view. Cause i hear for example risk about herpes,but how much is this risk? Do you think or it is scientific risk that also doctors agree? Or better how many girls have herpes in mouth? My little opinion is very high risk for every disease in sex without rubber,but very little risk with not-covered bj,but probably i am a little ignorant about it,so i am here to learn what i dont know or what i know wrong. Thanks all!

The traveller,

Please what is "betaisodonna"?