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[Wander Luster]

So to sum it up, what most of opinions seems to agree on is:

* While its a country that you will feel frustrated in it but its not a country where you will feel rejected in it.

* If you are living / working here so with lots of efforts, time and patience you will be able to enjoy yourself.

* If you are looking for a decent wife material type of girl so your chances of finding one in Vietnam are much higher than in Philippines or Thailand.

* If you are into the dating game and expecting to score often from the first date (Like me or like most of the Filipino forum members) then avoid Vietnam.

Happy mongering everybody.

Agreed, good basics, but I'm still curious about prices in other SEA cities. I would also add that Vietnamese are VERY foreigner friendly. I almost feel like I'm more appreciated here than in the PH if you take into account that it's not just that they are after money. Sure, money matters, but they really do want to be with foreigners. My best women friend here said it's VERY big status for a college-educated woman to have a western BF, and not just because of the money. I've also seen that after Obama visited their was a massive surge in appreciation for USA.

I haven't looked that much, but it seems to me you can pull one of the hotties that are working as bar-girls for $100- $120. IMO I think this would be a better looking chick than one could find, for example, EDSA in Manila, an 8 for example, but would have to look around a little AND know where to go. These are places in D1. I do think some girls could be a LITLLE choosy. They don't get paid by the bars. They don't have to go with anyone they want. The one I went with told me about the types she turned down (yes, she was a bit discriminating against people by ethnic backround, but if I were P4 P working I might also if *generally* one country has a bad reputation. Like some of the rich middle east countries). I don't know what their criteria would be overall.

Anyone have a basic idea of how much to pull a girl in nice bar / club in Manila, PP, Bangkok? I guess Bangkok and PP are less. Manila, I don't know. If she likes you here, should be 4 hours, but not overnight. And the attitude of women here is always amazing to me. Although, years ago I'll admit the "playfulness" of thais made the hands down best. Not sure that's true now. I've spent a very long time in the PH, and it was great, but I feel like it went very far down in places like Cebu (mostly based on prices going way farther up because more Asians going there for P4 P). I remember when Arena in Cebu and Jaguar had $100 for basically model-types. Too bad I didn't have much money back in the day.

Cheers.

[Member #4420]

So to sum it up, what most of opinions seems to agree on is:

* While its a country that you will feel frustrated in it but its not a country where you will feel rejected in it.

* If you are living / working here so with lots of efforts, time and patience you will be able to enjoy yourself.

* If you are looking for a decent wife material type of girl so your chances of finding one in Vietnam are much higher than in Philippines or Thailand.

* If you are into the dating game and expecting to score often from the first date (Like me or like most of the Filipino forum members) then avoid Vietnam.

Happy mongering everybody.

[Wander Luster]

After two weeks of Non-Stop dating with all type of girls the conclusion is clear. The reason why foreigners are not settled here and no couples around is because the ladies are not ready to give sex for relationship. As a result the date is dies before it even began.

For their view sex should be given after trust and love has been build but in reality if a foreigner will accept this idea, girls will just play around eat and drink and say bye without sex or relationship.

In reality foreigners well aware that scam so almost zero meeting taking place after the chat phase. Girls know very well that "No sex no boyfriend" but still walk away. Foreigners walk away too. So that war has no winners. Most girls on badoo never date a foreigner and surely never fuck with anyone.

The overall feeling I get from this country is frustration. Different animals scare to death from sex. Even a single mother with a kid is horror from the idea of sex. I was in Phan Thiet and they all will suggest to meet with their friends in public place daytime.

More time in Vietnam more crazy you became from this madness. I am out very soon.

I went through a similar experience- was horrible experience at first (about 3 weeks). But, I also dated a very modern, gorgeous girl from Turkey, 18 years ago, who was muslim but never practiced or went to mosque.

The problem is that here things are similar to USA in 1940. The women are treated with little respect at home by husbands. But, the difference is that many have careers. There are slews of 30-somethings that decided to stay single for life because they won't put up with that.

Some of them are the most amazing "catch" a guy could ever imagine. But, can you wait a month to get her cloths off? I couldn't, although I did meet a young-thirty something that's traveled a lot and she has "modern" ideas about sex. There are many other young 30-something career women, but you won't meet them other than through people who live here.

I also had a first date f* w / a girl that was cute who'd ex was a westerner. Had 4 beers each, and off to my place after 2-3 hours to F* She was early 30's.

A person has to date with women that are either.

1. in their 20's or.

2. has hung out with westerners.

The girl I dated for 3 weeks who was amazing but only very heavy petting and some of the best kissing ever. She told me after I broke up she should have had sex with me. For her whole life she learned to feel dirty and horrible to do that without love. No same-same-- different here, now.

In the end, I think the one's that will meet the awesome girls, are those that live and work here. Best way to meet is through other western / foreign friends that are hooked into vietnamese friends.

[Wander Luster]

I generally agree with most of the comments. But not that there is "horror' from VN girls about sex. They want men to love them, maybe be their husbands, but I find that some only want love and caring from a guy, without marriage. I have 2 VN GFs, one in the north, one in the south, (24/28), they are lovely, beautiful, sweet and make good sex partners (Ok maybe not like filipinas but they are different).

I met a married Vn woman, about 30 years old, husband makes good $, she has one kid, husband is unaffectionate (not abusive). She wants someone to love and care about her, tell her she is beautiful and be interested in her life. She and I talk a lot, we work together a couple times a year and we have talked about a relationship (she says this is not normal for Vn women, but she is open to the idea). So we will see. This woman is so beautiful (she's out of my league for sure, good think they value brains over looks). Everyone tells her that. Except her husband. So, the future will tell for me and her.

VN women want love and caring, not a quick bang. But if you are willing to do that. You will find they are lovely, kind, loving and pretty good sex partners that you can train well.

You can check out the Singapore photo gallery for the latest pics of my southern VN GF she is here in Singapore with me.

GG.

Very well said. I've been here about 4 months living / working in 2016 and found the same. I don't want to hurt a marriage so haven't really looked at that. But I am not totally opposed. Got the number of a married women, but she wasn't up for meeting after the first time. Alsio 20-some women in HCMC are MUCH different than those over 30! The conservative ideas are gone for women in there 20's interested in foreigners (and I think also for their local BF).

[Geneva Guy]

I generally agree with most of the comments. But not that there is "horror' from VN girls about sex. They want men to love them, maybe be their husbands, but I find that some only want love and caring from a guy, without marriage. I have 2 VN GFs, one in the north, one in the south, (24/28), they are lovely, beautiful, sweet and make good sex partners (Ok maybe not like filipinas but they are different).

I met a married Vn woman, about 30 years old, husband makes good $, she has one kid, husband is unaffectionate (not abusive). She wants someone to love and care about her, tell her she is beautiful and be interested in her life. She and I talk a lot, we work together a couple times a year and we have talked about a relationship (she says this is not normal for Vn women, but she is open to the idea). So we will see. This woman is so beautiful (she's out of my league for sure, good think they value brains over looks). Everyone tells her that. Except her husband. So, the future will tell for me and her.

VN women want love and caring, not a quick bang. But if you are willing to do that. You will find they are lovely, kind, loving and pretty good sex partners that you can train well.

You can check out the Singapore photo gallery for the latest pics of my southern VN GF she is here in Singapore with me.

GG.

[Member #4420]

When I am talking with a Filipina or a Thai (whether in a date or online) so I always feel that the conversation is escalating to the next step, regardless of how shallow the conversations usually is but its usually going somewhere, mainly because Filipinas and Thais know the game, know the rules and have a goal of being with a foreigner which is either to immigrate or to benefit as much as possible, which is something that I take advantage of by playing their game and get them to my bed.

With Vietnamese girls the situation is different, the talk / the date dosent go anywhere, it feels like being with an asexual (and possibly aromatic) person.

The only reason I might ever say Hi to a Vietnamese girl again is if I was looking for a marriage / a serious relationship, because these girls are generally much more decent comparing to Thais and Filipinas so if I was looking for marriage then they will be worth the time and effort.

But for anything other than a serious relationship so just like what "DonOmar" said: "frustration".

[AmericanThief]

After two weeks of Non-Stop dating with all type of girls the conclusion is clear.

DonOmar, are you searching for a girlfriend?

[Member #4178]

After two weeks of Non-Stop dating with all type of girls the conclusion is clear. The reason why foreigners are not settled here and no couples around is because the ladies are not ready to give sex for relationship. As a result the date is dies before it even began.

For their view sex should be given after trust and love has been build but in reality if a foreigner will accept this idea, girls will just play around eat and drink and say bye without sex or relationship.

In reality foreigners well aware that scam so almost zero meeting taking place after the chat phase. Girls know very well that "No sex no boyfriend" but still walk away. Foreigners walk away too. So that war has no winners. Most girls on badoo never date a foreigner and surely never fuck with anyone.

The overall feeling I get from this country is frustration. Different animals scare to death from sex. Even a single mother with a kid is horror from the idea of sex. I was in Phan Thiet and they all will suggest to meet with their friends in public place daytime.

More time in Vietnam more crazy you became from this madness. I am out very soon.

[Member #4178]

Those two are better, a lot comes down to timing too.

Thanks you are very helpful, Based on your idea of Apps I download "OK Cupid" and already started to chat. Totally free with very good interface.

I thing the whole idea here is how to build your foundation in the city, getting to know girls and gaining knowledge. Not easy as Pattaya to settle down as I am running around like a rat to look departments but 100 times more rewarding.

I am heavy user of google map when I use both the "saved" icon and the "Labeled" icon which I can write a description to a place and lock both name and description into map with GPS coordinates. So when I walk around town and see some interesting place, cafe I can lock it into my phone.

For example, MB ATM are rare in the city so you can't just walk and look for them so just type "97 HM Nghi, Nguyễand ThI benh, Ho Chi Minh City, Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam" this address in your map to get to the free service charge ATM.

In fact you can paste that address to UBER App destination and in just a few minutes or even far lees the driver will pick you from your current location directly to that ATM. All that without looking for taxi, explaining where do you want to go or arguing the price. You know the price estimate before you even get on the bike or the car. For me its around 10 k for moto to ATM or to my accommodation. (both pre-locked in UBER App to save time for typing.).

Now, taking photos to those social apps are frustrating but I am using my Oppo phone "beauty face" camera feature to send me 10 years back in time. The internal image processing smooth your face and make it much whiter. In Thailand and Vietnam white is better and the results are super.

Very pretty girls here leaves Thai in the dust.

[AmericanThief]

Thanks for tips I am in district 1 now so do you mean tinder and badoo?

Those two are better, a lot comes down to timing too. I found some girls aren't so picky but when they want to go our you better be ready.

Girls like franchise cafes like Trung Nguyen, Phuc Long, any place that is inside and has decent lighting. Not those dark, smokey male cafes obviously.

Move into a hotel or get a service apartment. 8-12 million a month in D1. Don't stay where they have a curfew, but most places will lock the gate at 11 pm, so make sure they have security to let you in or you get a key.

almost forgot http://tuoitrenews.vn/video/detail-video/35285

[Member #4178]

If you want to date vietnamese girls then use social networks with girls looking to make new friends, meet foreign men, have a good time but not ready to marry yet. All the top social sites are very popular here as well as simple chat apps that have GPS to see who is near you. The best way to get the girl you really want is to meet them in cafes & clubs. .

Thanks for tips I am in district 1 now so do you mean tinder and badoo?

Can you tip for location of cafes and clubs I am new here. Bui vien street is a Circus and for cafe I normally sit in Tr and Ho street. Some charge only 35 K dong for big Cappuccino. (such as "take away" caffe.).

But here is my tip regarding how to save ATM fee redraw. First MB ATM don't charge fee. (Military bank).

Now if you go inside the bank with credit card and passport you will avoid both the limitation of 4 Mdong and also the 60 K fee.

I have tested it in Thailand many times and its work redrawing same amount from ATM and inside the bank and the difference was exactly the 200 bht.

Now, I hate the family home stay here in district 1. What should I do?

[AmericanThief]

Just spend a few days here some of my observation.

3. Pretty ladies. Not sure how well I will be at Viet Cupid.

5. Should take care with food chain some add VAT or serve poor. Rarely happen in Thailand.

I will know soon about Dating girls.

The food chain here is polluted, use cation.

Vietcupid is full of women who want to get married to a foreigner. Most are a bit desperate or just focused and dead set on getting married. You will be put through the interview process and shit tested a lot. If you want to date vietnamese girls then use social networks with girls looking to make new friends, meet foreign men, have a good time but not ready to marry yet. All the top social sites are very popular here as well as simple chat apps that have GPS to see who is near you. The best way to get the girl you really want is to meet them in cafes & clubs. They are pretty welcoming to foreign men and always like the opportunity to practice English. Tell them you can teach them and they will stay with you. Good luck. I don't fancy Pattaya myself and done with Thailand after 9 trips.

[NguyetLang]

Is it okay for girls to date an older foreigner? Or do I have to arrange to meet her in my room mostly for P4 P? Not that that's a bad thing.

My main thing is I would like to set up one main relationship for the duration, rather than going out hunting every night. Not that some variety would be unwelcome!

Actually older westerners rank highly as desirable mates for ambitious Vietnamese girls. My current dates confirmed so. The following are current ranking of desirable mates for young girls on upward mobility. The common theme is "those who can help their success with no desire for long lasting relationship. ".

1. Local rich and powerful men who can provide them with money and opportunities.

2. Older westerners with money. An immigration visa hope would be nice bonus.

3. Vietnamese expats (Viet Kieu) with money to spend.

The money thing is relative and cheap by US standards. Keep in mind that 500 USD may be full month salary for a family here. The so-called "put her on payroll" kinda give you an idea of a typical arrangement.

Enjoy VN.

[Member #4178]

Just spend a few days here some of my observation.

1. Big room monthly price is 300 USD including electricity. Same as Pattaya cheaper the Bangkok.

2. ridiculously cheap transport price using UBER. 10000 dong for 4 km for UBER moto. Also used Uber Car.

3. Pretty ladies. Not sure how well I will be at Viet Cupid.

4. Internet everywhere and cheap including 3 G mobile and SIM.

5. Should take care with food chain some add VAT or serve poor. Rarely happen in Thailand.

I will know soon about Dating girls.

[Lefeu]

Do you really think stunningly gorgeous girls are spending time on dating sites because they can't meet guys in their day too day life. Say there are some stunning gorgeous girls on a dating site, can you imagine the competition and number of messages she receives daily, hourly, weekly? Most girls on these sites can't meet a guy in real life because they are average girls, and the few that are attractive get over 1,000 PMs a week from men all over the world.

Makes perfect sense to me, logical and rational. Now, I know why I never bothered with those dating sites, and probably never will. My reason: I don't live there and I don't speak the language. Thanks for chiming in.