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[Mak Daddy]

I heard that you can get FS where the girls ride their bikes to you at ST mini-hotels for $7 at Do Son Beach. Is that a current price? Can anyone confirm that?

[Fw190]

Wow, I opened that website you mentioned, and it sure looks like one of those fully-commercial sex sites that are intended mainly to get subscriptions or scoop up URL's. I didn't dare go beyond the website homepage, for fear that I'd be getting viruses, trojan horses, spam, and assorted other "computer transmitted diseases."

I found some interesting material at this site. Has anyone had experience about meeting a "guide" on the friends list? Planning on making another visit soon, I hope!!! Some of the girls there are hot.
Thx Fred

[Fred Gold]

I found some interesting material at this site. Has anyone had experience about meeting a "guide" on the friends list? Planning on making another visit soon, I hope!!! Some of the girls there are hot.
Thx Fred

[Drjoker69]

the following website might be worth a peek. i've done a google search on them and it seems legit.
http://www.mr-cupid.com/index.html

this is why it seems legit. go to:
http://commentarysingapore.********....e_archive.html
then, scroll all the way down to the jan 1, 2006 entry about mr cupid. a cut and paste of the article is posted below.

it is not my style to use mr. cupid matchmaker, though, because i am very picky. i am very complicated and i am not a simple man with simple needs that can be met with a simple 6 day marriage tour offered by mr. cupid. however, if you have simple needs, then you might want to look at the mr. cupid matchmaker marriage tours website.

cut and paste of article about mr cupid
01 january 2006
local man, foreign bride ...
... and one very cute baby.

photos posted here are at the marriage and after the marriage with a baby that mr. lee fathered with his new wife.

st jan 1, 2006
man who couldn't find girlfriend: now baby makes three
by chua kong ho

two years ago, lighting technician jackson lee was despondent about ever finding a girlfriend, much less a wife.

singaporean women, he said, found him too fat, too ugly and too poor. after all, he weighed 180kg and his job paid him less than $2,000.

when he approached marriage agencies for help, three turned him down. the fourth, mr cupid international, did not and found him a vietnamese wife. when the sunday times wrote about him in january last year, he was just settling down to marriage.

today, the 35-year-old is a proud father. his wife, ms nguyen thi kum ngan, 22, whom he picked out of a queue of about 1,000 vietnamese factory girls, is settling well into life in singapore.

their daughter, zhi ling, is a smiley and gregarious baby who steals the hearts of strangers.

'now, i have a goal in life. i know what i'm working so hard for,' said mr lee, in an interview at his parents' flat in kim tian place in tiong bahru, where they live.

fatherhood has changed him, he said. he drinks less and saves more. he wants a place of their own. he wants another baby if their finances permit.

whereas he was once sceptical about whether his marriage would last, he now worries about the cost of putting his child through school.

ms kum ngan, a rice farmer's daughter, may have married him to escape poverty and to give her folks at home a better life, but the bonds between the two are clear.

when mr lee said the baby weighed '3.5 pounds', instead of 3.5kg, she playfully swiped at him and corrected him. he was in the delivery room with her.

on motherhood, she said: 'i was scared at first. i didn't know anything about being a mother. but thankfully my mother came over and stayed with me through my confinement.'

the couple said they live simply. they take walks in the evenings when he returns from work. she takes care of the baby and helps out with the household chores.

her sister, who is also married to a singaporean, visits often and the two cook up vietnamese dishes. they are not so homesick anymore, she said.

said mr lee: 'everyone was telling me how nasty foreign marriages turn out to be.
'but i can't wait to get home from work now to see my wife and daughter. i hoped for, but never really believed, that i would have this life.'

we often hear evil, unpleasant things about the exploitative singaporean men who buy themselves a poor young wife from vietnam or cambodia etc. this article paints a different kind of picture. man is happy, woman is happy, so what is the problem? things look good, don't they.

i found it interesting to note that ms nguyen thi kum ngan also has a sister who's married to a singaporean. and that the two sisters often visit each other here in singapore. i wonder whether we are witnessing another social phenomenon.

maybe the "poor young wives from vietnam and cambodia" now have sufficient numbers in singapore to start forming their mini-communities here. perhaps they build a network to help their eager sisters and cousins in vietnam and cambodia come over and find singaporean husbands too.

then in singapore, they establish contact with each other and meet up to provide mutual friendship, support and company. you know, drink tea, chit chat, philosophise about the differences between life in this country and life in that other country. like the expat wives in singapore do.

on a separate note, the blogger known as expat-at-large offers a commentary on the sex lives of fbos (fat balding old men). expat-at-large speaks with great authority on the subject, heheh.

[Drjoker69]

An ISG member asked if pre-nuptial agreements are O.K. with Asian girls....

Depends on religion. According to Shar'ia (Muslim law), all marriages have to have a pre-nuptial agreement.

It is a fallacy that pre-nuptial agreements are about money. Rich people protect their money by keeping it in bearer bonded offshore corporations. This is a corporation that is owned by whoever is holding a slip of paper that says, "I'm the owner". In other words, it is impossible to prove that you own the money. Rich people do not use prenups to protect wealth.

Prenups actually are great for clearly spelling out what is expected of you and her in a marriage. If you want her to have sex with you every day, then put it in the prenup. If she wants so many dollars a month as an allowance, then put it in the prenup. How much money she will get if you divorce should also be in the prenup. This is why Muslim countries have the lowest divorce rates. All Muslim marriages have a marriage contract. Stuff not in the contract is spelled out clearly in Shar'ia. Bosnia, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, and Turkey have the lowest divorce rates in the world.

A marriage without a prenup is like a having a job that has no job description. It is impossible for you to please your boss because your job description changes daily. Or maybe you're the boss and it is impossible for your employee to please you because the job description changes daily.

I think that it will be O.K. to have a prenup if you draw it up together. If it is a piece of paper that is thrusted at her, she will probably reject it. Just ask her casually what she expects of a husband. She will tell you. Then, write it down. Then, you tell her what you expect of her and write it down on a napkin. Then, tell her that you love her so much that you've written down everything that she wants out of marriage so you won't ever forget. Ask her if she would like you to sign the napkin to guarantee that you'll love her the same way forever. She'll say, "yes". The next day, just replace the napkin with a legal document and you both sign. With women, it's not what you say that's important because they're emotional and illogical. It's how you say something....

If she objects to signing the agreement and she lives overseas (you didn't meet her in the USA), then just say, "This is the way we Americans get married." Make sure that the agreement is drawn up by a lawyer in her country, a lawyer in the US, and in both English and her native language (you will have 4 parallel agreements).

I work in a hospital and all the other married doctors are all unhappy, except one Indian guy who is Muslim and had an arranged marriage with a marriage contract according to Shar'ia. In other words, the only happily married guy I know has a prenup. Only a dumbass would get married without one!

Good luck!

[Drjoker69]

DJ Monger,

You're abolutely correct about how crappy American women are. But don't take my word for it. I invite you look at the statistics... over 50% of American marriages end in divorce while 20% of Vietnamese marriages end in divorce. Bosnia, Armenia, Georgia, Macedonia, Turkey and Uzbekistan have a less than 10% divorce rate.

The problem is, American women will use sex as a weapon to get what they want. They also use divorce to threaten men with financial ruin and losing cutody of his children. What they want is a slave with a ball and chain around his ankle. Barring that, they will settle for a nice fat divorce settlement. Bitches.

Asian women are better, but a 20% divorce rate is still a bit high for me. I am Asian-American, but I've avoided Asia due to some of the problems that LexLuthor already pointed out. There is no middle class in most of Southeast Asia. Even with my Asian looks, I found it impossible to break into upper class Asian society. I actually dated a girl whose father owned several high rises in Hong Kong. She came from a billionaire family. She accepted my marriage proposal but her father objected because I was too poor. I work in a hospital, make a good income and most girls would consider me a "good catch", but people in what another ISG poster described as the "mandarin ruling class" would consider me to be as low as dirt. So, she was forced to dump me. One thing that I should have caught on to (but love and lust blinded my rational mind) was how she and her family called the servants in their house "slaves", how she would snap her fingers at the maid when she came home so the maid would wash her feet without a word being spoken. Stupid me.

The "lower classes" either make very good wives or make very bad wives. You have to be careful. I've dated Vietnamese girls who weren't super-rich before. These are both the best and worst girls I've ever dated. LexLuthor is right, they have a good work ethic. They'll become financially successful in a decade, even when starting from scratch financially. They're also very loyal. I have never heard of a Viet bride cheat on her husband while it is very common for American women to cheat. The Kinsey report found that 30% of babies born in a New York Hospital had a blood type that makes it impossible for the father on the birth certificate to be the biological father. This was in the 1950's. I'm sure with modern genetic testing and the erosion of morality in modern America, this percentage is probably higher. However, cultural and class differences may cause problems if you lack communication. Make sure you are marrying her because she is your best friend and that your attraction to her is not sex nor looks. Don't have sex with her until you've known her awhile and thoroughly know her personality and character. Sex and love clouds logical judgement. Lots of really smart guys have done some really dumb crap because of love, I mean insanity. This even includes me.

I grew up in the US and I don't speak any Vietnamese so I'm not at any advantage to my caucasian brothers here on the ISG.

In my opinion, your best bet for finding a foreign bride that is better than American women are in the following countries;
1. Colombia - if you like latinas, this is the best. As with most of latin america, the divorce rate is 20%. If you like fantastic sex and salsa dancing, then this is it. Very easy to meet girls. I've travelled to Colombia before and I've lived in Venezuela for awhile, too. I almost married a Venezuelan girl but she didn't want to go to the US. Basically, she said, "Yes, I'll marry you, but you'll have to live in Venezuela with me." The stereotype that they all want to go to the "1st world" is false.
2. Bosnia - a little harder to meet Bosnian girls than Colombian girls. Bosnian girls have to be introduced by a trusted friend. You have to live there awhile as an English teacher and meet some locals to be successful. I'm seeing a nice Bosnian girl now. Hopefully, my search will be over. I'm going back to Bosnia in a couple of months, hopefully to get hitched.
3. Vietnam - I've never been there, but I heard that it's nice there. I also heard that you have to live there because the nice girls will only date you if you are introduced by a trusted family member or close friend of the family. Teaching English in a small town is probaby your best bet. Girls who will go out with you without a proper introduction are probably either sex providers, bar girls, or just girls of questionable moral charcter (at least that's what I've deduced is true from my limited knowledge of Vietnamese culture).
4. Thailand - I've been there. I think that most of the Thai girls who are good looking are the "mandarin ruling class". The poorer girls are usually very short due to malnutrition and have various scars due to motorcycle accidents and such. Unfortunately, a upper-crust girl's father might object to your marrying her daughter because he's probaby afraid that you might be marrying for money and not love. This may not be true, but it doesn't erase this fear of his. I'm personally familiar with the kind of heartache that her father's forced breakup will cause. I heard some ISG members worry that if you marry a poor girl that you need to be careful because she might be faking love (and you won't know until it's too late) to get at your money and green card. Remember, the wealthy girls' father is probably thinking about you in the same manner. I dated another girl whoose father owned a ruby mine in Thailand. Her father objected and that was the end of the relationship.

Marrying someone who is middle-class like you are might be tough in SE Asia due to the non-existence of the middle class in many of these places. There is a middle class, but it is small. It is tough enough to have to deal with misunderstandings due to culture without having to deal with misunderstandings due to class. Class bigotry sucks.

Anyways, I'm not saying that Vietnam is bad. I'm just saying that you have to be careful. As a matter of fact, I plan on going to Vietnam to teach English in a small town if my situation with the Bosnian girl doesn't work out.

REFERENCES

Info about American women:
http://www.nomarriage.com/

Divorce statistics for Vietnam:
http://www.vneconomy.com.vn/vet/?param=print&id=7972

Divorce statistics elsewhere:
http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html

Useful info for single men:
http://www.singleabroad.com/

P.S. Good luck!

This is an interesting discussion about dating/marrying non-pros in vietnam We were having a similar discussion on the thailand board, where the consensus was that marrying a thai girl is feasable if a) you take the time to live in thailand for a while, learn the language etc b) you're very careful about who you marry (ie. not not NOT a bar girl) and c) you stay in thailand - thai people love thailand and might not neccisarily be happy somewhere cold and un-sanug like europe or america. it was suggested to me that vietnamese girl might have all the advantages of a thai girl, but would be more keen to leave her home country.

Anyway i'm thinking something similar to Drjoker - I'd like to come spend some time in vietnam, somewhere a bit country and off the beaten track, and stay for a while (i was thinking 3 months but now i'm thinking 6 would be more plausible) with the intention of finding a bride. nothing arranged per say, i'd probably get a job teaching english part time and use that as an "in" to meet down-to-earth local girls. chaperoned dates with virginal girls would be right up my alley for this purpose. I've found that in indonesia at least, girls that will have sex with you before marriage, or at least a long slow dating process, are often a bit dodgy.

i live in asia and would be bringing my hypothetical bride to bali rather than the states, at least at first (who knows where i'll be in 5-10 years) Anyway it's just an idea i've been considering and would be happy to hear more discussion along these lines. one thing i was wondering was if a full-on engagement (with expensive ceremony, family and priest involved, ring etc) might be enough to get a virginal country girl to spend, say, a year with me as a sort of "test run" - obviously it's a big commitment not just for me but for the girl, leaving the country and living with a farang etc... or would that even be neccesary? in thailand i dont think it would be, in indonesia it would depend on the circumstance.

and btw just for the record i'm pretty sure i dont qualify as a loser! i got lots of dates back when i lived in america - i was briefly married to a pleasant girl with a pretty face and a body like a playboy bunny, and had been dating an attractive girl 12 years younger than me for like 3 years when i left the states for asia. and i was making good money there too, lots of friends, in decent shape, etc, all in all pretty non-loser imho. my dating experiences weren't even so bad really. I just dont trust the statistics of american marriages (50% divorce rate) And compared to the kind of women i've been dating in asia I can clearly see that being married to a nice asian girl, despite the difficulties involved, would probably be infinitely preferable to marrying an american woman.

for example, that attractive young woman i left behind has gained like 100 pounds since the last time i saw her. and shes only 25, she hasn't even had a kid yet! she wasnt much into housework or cooking either. and my ex-wife went on to divorce her next husband (and father of 2 children by her) for being "emotionally distant". emotionally distant? what the fuck does that even *mean*? give me a nice asian country girl any day.

[Pwap007]

I'll be in Hanoi in mid June. I would appreciate if some experienced Viet monger can guide me to the promised land. Where are all the hot pros and freelancers? I prefer clubs to MPs. I don't want to inflate prices so some ballpark figures on what on the menu would be nice.

Thanks

[Co Van My]

very popular in Cholon, Vietnam. All my Chinese Vietnamese friends speak Cantonese. There are many Chinese Vietnamese in the South Mekong Delta areas such as Rach Gia, Ha Tien, My Tho, Kien Giang. However, many become assimilated after couple generations and speak very little Chinese. My ex girlfriend is a Chinese Vietnamese and she speaks zero Chinese.

Thanks for the clarification. Cantonese it is.

[Silly Puppy]

very popular in Cholon, Vietnam. All my Chinese Vietnamese friends speak Cantonese. There are many Chinese Vietnamese in the South Mekong Delta areas such as Rach Gia, Ha Tien, My Tho, Kien Giang. However, many become assimilated after couple generations and speak very little Chinese. My ex girlfriend is a Chinese Vietnamese and she speaks zero Chinese.

[Co Van My]

How useful is it to know Chinese language in Vietnam?

Can I converse with normal girls with Chinese? will they understand me?

Chinese (Mandarin, I think) is widely spoken in Cholon, District 5. On the other hand, the Chinese places are generally the hardest for a foreigner to crack.

[Airplane]

I'm thinking about having some shirts made while I'm there.

Has anyone done this? Please talk about the place, price, quality and anything else you might think of.

Thanks everyone, for all the other information.

[Drano]

How useful is it to know Chinese language in Vietnam?

Can I converse with normal girls with Chinese? will they understand me?

I know I sound like a smart ass, but....

Maybe in Cholon.

[Member #1461]

How useful is it to know Chinese language in Vietnam?

Can I converse with normal girls with Chinese? will they understand me?

[Ramekin]

Don1010ho thanks for reply.

We will have a blast!

[Samu Ray]

The Vietnam Embassy is on Wireless st close to the US Embassy. From
Sukhumvit Road 1st it is about five or six blocks.