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[Sammon]

I want to go to Hanoi from Bangkok with my Thai GF. I have American Passport and she Thai. Is it possible to get visas for both of us at the Vietnam Embassy in bangkok. I cannot get any answers online.
If anybody has any info I appreciate it.

[Don1010ho]

I will be in HCM and Delta for a weeks vacation and am bringing my Chinese GF with me. She speaks English. I am wondering if I will have problems in hotels with sharing room?

Any response appreciated.

You don't have problems sharing room with her in VN, if she carrying a Foreiner Passport with her. Have funs in VN.

[Ramekin]

I will be in HCM and Delta for a weeks vacation and am bringing my Chinese GF with me. She speaks English. I am wondering if I will have problems in hotels with sharing room?

Any response appreciated.

[Asian Steve 22]

Attention Kiddy Fuckers,

It doesn't pay to have sex with 10 and 11 year old girls. Just ask Gary Glitter, who will spend the next three years behind bars in the Hanoi Hilton. It will seem like 30, and he will come out a changed person.

He should have faced the firing squad, family should have held out for more than 1000 pounds.

[Ralph Kramden]

Attention Kiddy Fuckers,

It doesn't pay to have sex with 10 and 11 year old girls. Just ask Gary Glitter, who will spend the next three years behind bars in the Hanoi Hilton. It will seem like 30, and he will come out a changed person.

[DJ Monger]

I belive the providers have a out if they really want it. Some to get away from their drug addition, pimp or just tired of the business.

i've seen at least one ex-pro return to the game volentarily, leaving behind a new marriage (to a local not a western guy) cause the money and independance appealed more than a stable life, apparently.

i dont think shes the only one who ever did it either...

[Horn Dog 2]

Hi Lex,

Okay, you had have a different meaning for the word, the word pervert to me means a man who displays outrageous,repulsive sexual behavior, example, a pervert was caught again rubbing himself against (asian females) on the transit bus.

I think some mongers can have a normal relationship with a non-SP. We had them in the past and know what it entails. I think we all want a "better half" and want somebody to grow old with when we no longer could get it up. I think relationships require alot of hard work and com***ication. There must be always give and take. Those who cannot work it out will join the large divorcee population. What you do not want is be controlled by her. A friend of mine has no life. He goes home after work every day to be home with his family and seldom goes out with his friends. He always (proudly?) shows me his wallet which contains only a 25 cent off coupon at a tire store. BJs are off the menu since the head monk told his wife and church members that certain sexual acts are forbiden. My friend said he only gets sex once a year under the Christmas tree. I always make fun of him in the present of others, I tell him to show them the mark on your ankle from the ball and chain.

I belive the providers have a out if they really want it. Some to get away from their drug addition, pimp or just tired of the business. There are woman organizations that provide training and education for those who want it. They could be really good in business since they already have most of the skills such as negotiation, sales and go the extra mile, not to mention risk taking. A hottie Viet babe told my friend that she was saving her money to open a shop back home. If I was a SP or even a non-SP, I would find a nice, good-looking man who has millions in the bank. I would introduce the ball and chain after the wedding night.

Happy mongering Poonies!

Horn Dog,

To my mind, mongers and providers are just two different sides of the same coin. Once a woman has seen how much money she can make by selling her pussy, she's most likely trapped in that profession. I've seen girls try to do something else. But the first time a manager looks at her cross-eyed or asks her to do something she does not like, she's going to say to herself: "I don't need to take this. I can make a shit load of money on my back."

Likewise us mongers can probably never have a normal healthy relationship with a woman whom we have not paid for pussy. The first time she has a headache, is in a bad mood, or tries to use sex as a weapon, we'll say: "I don't need to take this. I can go get all the pussy I want for a few bucks."

This is what I mean when I refer to us as perverts.

Lex

[LexLuther]

Horn Dog,

To my mind, mongers and providers are just two different sides of the same coin. Once a woman has seen how much money she can make by selling her pussy, she's most likely trapped in that profession. I've seen girls try to do something else. But the first time a manager looks at her cross-eyed or asks her to do something she does not like, she's going to say to herself: "I don't need to take this. I can make a shit load of money on my back."

Likewise us mongers can probably never have a normal healthy relationship with a woman whom we have not paid for pussy. The first time she has a headache, is in a bad mood, or tries to use sex as a weapon, we'll say: "I don't need to take this. I can go get all the pussy I want for a few bucks."

This is what I mean when I refer to us as perverts.

Lex

[Horn Dog 2]

Lex: I objective, I am not a pervert. I am a normal, average looking male who happens to like women. I am also single and want to stay single. I was in a 15 years old relationship with a beautiful woman. She died in 2002, long story. The negative, depressing feeling was present for over two years. A friend told me something like this: It is better to experienced love then not loved at all. Love hurts, but you just have to remember the good times boys. I read something years ago. For every negative, the result is a positive equal to or greater than the negative. Something to think about.

It is refreshing to hear life experiences from all of you. It is kind of like talking to a stranger on the bus or street, who will start telling you personal information that they would not tell their family or friends.

IMHO, if you have a bad day, think about what people go thru in certain parts of Asia, your day may be not be bad as you think. Avoir pooners.

Wing Low: Heaven and Earth was a great movie.

One Wing Low,

To my mind, sex is just a part of life and in that context I don't believe that sex and the pursuit of sex is bad. However as a Catholic I believe that sex is meant to be an adjunct to a healthy relationship (married) between two people of the opposite sex which is intended for procreation.

Of course we are all human and seldom display ideal behavior. Not being married any longer, I still need sex like the rest of you perverts. This board is a great place to tittilate one's prurient interests as well as to gain information which may be of use to us in our continuing efforts to get our rocks off.

The pursuit of everything which we need to live (sex, food, money, etc.) are, in my opinion, interesting topics for discussion. I'm not sure I would bore people here with my opinions on and experiences with food. But I think that experiences which relate to what we may have done in our lives as we pursued sexual happiness and how those things affected us and others are suitable for discussion here.

Of course you have people who resent seeing anything here which does not immediately and directly satisfy their desire to get their rocks off. You have to feel sorry for these guys. My guess is they suffer from some form of OCD.

You bring up some interesting issues in your last post. At this point in my life, I think I agree with you that it would have been better to accept her as she was and not to have tried to change her. But on the other hand, I think she wanted to leave Vietnam so that she could have a life which was different and better than she had in Vietnam. I'm sure that today there are millions of ladies in Vietnam, Thailand, China, Korea who would give up a lot to come to America. But they don't seem to realize that in order to make the best of life in the U. S. , their behavior is going to have to change. But you are probably correct that my efforts to accelerate her adaptation to life in the U. S. Caused a lot of resentment.

Lex

[LexLuther]

One Wing Low,

To my mind, sex is just a part of life and in that context I don't believe that sex and the pursuit of sex is bad. However as a Catholic I believe that sex is meant to be an adjunct to a healthy relationship (married) between two people of the opposite sex which is intended for procreation.

Of course we are all human and seldom display ideal behavior. Not being married any longer, I still need sex like the rest of you perverts. This board is a great place to tittilate one's prurient interests as well as to gain information which may be of use to us in our continuing efforts to get our rocks off.

The pursuit of everything which we need to live (sex, food, money, etc.) are, in my opinion, interesting topics for discussion. I'm not sure I would bore people here with my opinions on and experiences with food. But I think that experiences which relate to what we may have done in our lives as we pursued sexual happiness and how those things affected us and others are suitable for discussion here.

Of course you have people who resent seeing anything here which does not immediately and directly satisfy their desire to get their rocks off. You have to feel sorry for these guys. My guess is they suffer from some form of OCD.

You bring up some interesting issues in your last post. At this point in my life, I think I agree with you that it would have been better to accept her as she was and not to have tried to change her. But on the other hand, I think she wanted to leave Vietnam so that she could have a life which was different and better than she had in Vietnam. I'm sure that today there are millions of ladies in Vietnam, Thailand, China, Korea who would give up a lot to come to America. But they don't seem to realize that in order to make the best of life in the U.S., their behavior is going to have to change. But you are probably correct that my efforts to accelerate her adaptation to life in the U.S. caused a lot of resentment.


Lex

[One Wing Low]

one wing low,
i was not trying to justify what anyone does or did. but you hit the nail on the head with your analysis. most conflicts (in my opinion), whether between individuals or between nations, arise out of the fact that one party feels itself to be in an inferior status to the other party, usually in terms of access to or control over resources of some kind.
lex

...are usually the cause of most conflicts. too bad the vc never understood this.

one wing low,
in answer to your question, no she did not change immediately. i think she went into the relationship with intentions which were as good as mine. i think we also had the same goals in many respects. we just had different ideas about how best to attain them.
lex

people brought into a new culture without their roots often feel they cannot be held accountable, therefore more likely act in less honorable ways. furthermore the poverty, hopelessness and insecurity where she came from might have driven her to act in much more selfish ways. upright people in civilized countries tend to care more about opinions of their peers, therefore tend to do the right things in the right ways. it's not so in poor countries where even heads of states would often do utterly stupid, selfish, ridiculous, unjust things and get away with them.

one wing low,
i tried from the beginning to steer her into directions which would enhance her self-esteem and make her more capable of living in our society. i bought her nice clothes, encouraged her to study and learn all that she could, took her on trips to europe, etc.

but in the end, we were too different.

lex

this may be the main problem, excuse me for saying. do you realize how painful it would be for a person to have to change his/her ways, especially when insisted by someone he/she loves? she may have resented you deeply for this.

i wonder if the regimented trainings of military men make them more inclined toward trying to change people to fit in their rigid molds, like making all good vc dead vc... their disciplined ways of thinking and doing things may be hard for women to adapt to. i dated a few girls from military families. the girls all hate and despise their fathers with vengeance for their demands, which i always thought it was very unfair to their dads.

if you really love someone, you should accept her as she is, and not try to change or improve her. just enjoy her positive attributes and try your best to ignore the rest. in fact that's the rule of survival in all relationships. correcting and improving people bring out a lot of resentment. you'd lose your friends quickly. let her learn from your fine example voluntarily. you probably have very strong paternal instincts, and perhaps unconsciously, you were acting more like her dad than her husband. it could be very painful for women, being sensitive, to be reminded regularly how inferior they are.

i learned it the hard way. i was roughed up by a few women who were probably deeply in love with me, but felt i did not care for them, or heaven forbids, thought they were not good enough. hell hath no fury as a woman scorn. i should have slept with all of them and let them have their ways with my body as often as they wanted. that would have saved me a lot of problems, hehehe. harmless white lies and subtle flatters go a long way with most women, even butches. those who are unaffected tend to be too ugly or too masculine to bother with.

i was interested in your experience since i watched the movie 'heaven and earth,' a true life story written by a viet war bride, turned into a movie by oliver stone. there were a lot of love, good intentions, even heroism, in their lives. she adapted well in america, engaging successfully in business, while he got completely lost without a war. they had lots of conflicts over how to do things, especially involving the children. the little family conflicts drove him beserk. they regularly abused and insulted each other in the worst ways. at the end it turned gruesome as the warrior committed the ultimate violent act by killing himself.

she eventually returned to vietnam to exorcise herself of her old master/lover who seduced, raped and impregnated her when she was a young maid in his home.

it was a very rich and touching real life story.

i am not a smart psychologist or social scientist of any kind. i am always in deep shit with my own relationships. i appreciate your sincerity in sharing your interesting life experiences, and hope you don't mind my discussion.

we really got into a lot of this mushy love stuff in this hard-charging sex guide forum.

[LexLuther]

One Wing Low,

I was not trying to justify what anyone does or did. But you hit the nail on the head with your analysis. Most conflicts (in my opinion), whether between individuals or between nations, arise out of the fact that one party feels itself to be in an inferior status to the other party, usually in terms of access to or control over resources of some kind.

In answer to your question, no she did not change immediately. I think she went into the relationship with intentions which were as good as mine. I think we also had the same goals in many respects. We just had different ideas about how best to attain them.

I tried from the beginning to steer her into directions which would enhance her self-esteem and make her more capable of living in our society. I bought her nice clothes, encouraged her to study and learn all that she could, took her on trips to Europe, etc.

But in the end, we were too different.

Lex

[Whisper1]

Doesn't true love rise above all. Afterall, if you have true love, then money, education, stature and achievements shoudn't matter. What matters is that you truely love one another. Since true love does not exist, I would have to agree with One Wing Low. HEHE

Lex,

Did your wife change her attitudes soon after you signed the marriage certificate?

So the poor should steal and the weak should murder? The same argument should carry over to women, especially those from 3rd world, who feel they are in much poorer positions compared to their men, so it's OK for them to sneak around and do all sort of stupid tricks against their men?

The more unequal the partners, the more bullshit, abuses and headache. They would never be able to truely give and forgive each other, like the VC and the American GI. The VC and the Jihads are forever harboring hatred and envy against more advanced peoples. This is the worst scenario.

There can never be true love except between equals. I think it's safer to go into relationships with someone roughly the same stature, age, education, achievements etc... It's easier to get along and adjust.

[One Wing Low]

Lex,

Did your wife change her attitudes soon after you signed the marriage certificate?

So the poor should steal and the weak should murder? The same argument should carry over to women, especially those from 3rd world, who feel they are in much poorer positions compared to their men, so it's OK for them to sneak around and do all sort of stupid tricks against their men?

The more unequal the partners, the more bullshit, abuses and headache. They would never be able to truely give and forgive each other, like the VC and the American GI. The VC and the Jihads are forever harboring hatred and envy against more advanced peoples. This is the worst scenario.

There can never be true love except between equals. I think it's safer to go into relationships with someone roughly the same stature, age, education, achievements etc... It's easier to get along and adjust.

Imagine yourself to be a small weak guy and a guy who is 6'6" is going to beat the crap out of you. You will use anything at your disposal. You will fight as dirty as you have to in order to protect yourself and that which you hold dear (your life, your money, your family, whatever). This is what the VC did and this is what the terrorists do. I'm not saying I approve of the terrorists and their antogonism toward America. But I wonder what a society is supposed to do in response to the might of a country as powerful as ours.

Lex

[Horn Dog 2]

Hi Monger,

A friend told me an WM associate I knew went to Vietnam and married a Viet woman who already had two kids. My friend saw them at a Lunar New Year function and which means they are still together. A country girl might be more suited for marrriage than a city girl. But, a city girl knows more and could have more in common with you-e. G. English Did you know that the good city girls are always afraid to be grouped with the SP girls? You could meet woman if you lived for a period of time in the city or the country. It is a little tougher if you do not speak the language, so learn and practise it. (My Vietnamese will be better when I go back to Nam later this year, I want to understand what they are saying in bed). All I know it takes time to fall in love and have a relationship with somebody you can trust and depend on. And you are right about the ups and downs. I see it in my friends' marriage but I believe there are alot of more "ups". Especially if they have children. There are other Asian women beside the Vietnamese women who loves the WM. The Japanese women are hot, I saw one of the most beautiful ones yesterday at work. She was tall (high heels), slim, model face and long dyed brown hair. I would have paid millions of dongs for a LT.

We have alot of interracial couples here in Vancouver, Canada-alot of happy couples. The Asian population is huge-a large % from H. K, Taiwan and PRC. Alot of hot Vietnamese girls but they seem to marry in their own culture. I guess we have people from all over the world-especially in 2010-Olympic year.

Well, Monger, I guess you are acting on finding that part that is missing in you life, I wish you an successful search. The rest of us will carry on the tough job of mongering and maybe, just maybe, a search for that special one. Monger, since you have no children now, there are children in Vietnam who have no fathers, no mothers and very little assistance. Donate if you can. I did. Take rice, food to the orphanage. Not money, it might go missing.

To have kids, mostly. But also for a long term relationship with a woman - That always has its ups and downs but I think its an important part of life. It's just sort of a shame marriages have gotten so unstable over the last few decades.

So does anyone have, or even know of, any positive experiences marrying a viet woman? Surely it can be *that* horrible, I meet happy interracial couples in SEAsia all the time!

-djm

Ps. I went on a few dates with an attractive japanese woman over the last few days. Maybe you'll see me on the japan board next; )