Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[Global Citizen]

Can anyone tell me if there are swinger's clubs in HCMC such as the FKK in Germany?

Thanks in advance.

GC.

[Smokarz_XO]

You are learning that especially in Vietnam as an outsider, you are treated as a sex tourist, and nothing more. To get the most, you have to have some status amongst those you choose to play with. I am in Bangkok now, but HCM used to be my old stomping ground an. I had status in HCM, meaning, I was able to get action and privileges that most people cannot. It's something that most people who are oblivious of the "underground network" will not understand. So of course there will be those who always say stuff like, "how come that didn't happen for me?" They are always outsiders looking in. Our money is not always worth the same amount. Best believe that some people will get more out of a 100 bucks than others. It's all about who they are and what status they carry. Even in the pay for play scene. Look at it this way. You have 3 customers walk into a karaoke like Milan..

I like how you roll, brother.

Now, I just need to hit the lotto or inherit a loaded mutual fund from a long lost great grandfather.

[Irish Mongrel]

Hello friends,

I am visiting HCMC in a couple of days. Seniors from this forum are requested to provide info about HCMC / saigon area and how things operate there including prospects of Saigon Uni, wechat, tinder. PM is active.

Thanks.

I'll be nice and say if you RTFF you will find all the information you need. Some other memebers might be a littls less subtle. All the information you need is here, just spend some of your time looking for it. Nothign is for free in this world.

[Sprotty]

Hello friends,

I am visiting HCMC in a couple of days. Seniors from this forum are requested to provide info about HCMC / saigon area and how things operate there including prospects of Saigon Uni, wechat, tinder. PM is active.

Thanks.

[TakingChances]

BRAVO! You have found success in Vietnam. I share the same sentiment. You may need to work a bit harder to find happiness in Vietnam, but big rewards await those who can make the investment (mostly time and charms). Thank you for such great reports. You are quite a writer.

Cheers,

Thank you, sir.

One last account: I decided to try the Vien Dong hotel for massages and I was very surprised how easy it was to connect with a gorgeous 23 year old. I stayed away from my massages on my trip because my body has not been responding well to massage, but decided to give one try before leaving Saigon. Vien Dong is really amazing facility, brand new, beautiful. I tipped mamasan 100 k (I know I overdid but I did not have change dammmmm) and he sent a gorgeous lady. I was expecting to send back the first one but I just could not. She gave me access to everything and did a nice hand job. We talked throughout the session, I teased her all the way. In the end, she gave me a kiss and her number to call her to schedule a meeting when she is off. Unfortunately for me it is too late so au Revoir Saigon. I wish I could have a permanent base in Vietnam. This is place is amazing. If anything, you all need to be careful with the ladies here as it is easy to get carried away sometimes and get too close emotionally to some of the ladies. I guess that is a nice problem to have for some. This ends my account of my trip. Peace out, TC.

[NguyetLang]

One thought on using Wechat for semi pro market. I only had success when I reach out to the girl to connect. I had many girls sending me connection requests but none of those led to a successful experience. So yeah, I think if you use wechat to find a semi pro, you need to be pro active rather than waiting for the girls to reach out.

The unpredictability of Saigon mongering scene is an added thrill factor for me. Initially I struggled a bit and was frustrated but if you have the time and the patience, you will find your way to whatever suits your appetite.

Peace out,

TC.

BRAVO! You have found success in Vietnam. I share the same sentiment. You may need to work a bit harder to find happiness in Vietnam, but big rewards await those who can make the investment (mostly time and charms). Thank you for such great reports. You are quite a writer.

Cheers,

[TakingChances]

Cong Vien quach thi Trang (next to Ben Thanh Market) where FLs lurk around is closed due to subway construction. Does anyone know where all the action went to?

[TakingChances]

On Sunday, I entered wechat and realized that the number of girls was much much higher with a lot of new faces. I sent a few requests. On Monday, I started chatting with one of the ladies. She offers to meet me for 1 million. I found her very cute and she looks semi pro. She says she has finished college and has some free time right now. I ask for a video call and confirm she is the one texting me. I am interested and tell her to come to my hotel. It was about 2 pm and she says she can meet me at 5 pm because of her bus schedule. What? Bus schedule? It happens she lives an hour by car outside of Saigon and comes only on Sundays with friends to have fun in the mall and the city. Jackpot, I thought. She got be low mileage and she looks so innocent and fresh. She says she thinks I am handsome and we will have a good time. Dammmmm. So I tell her to get a taxi and come immediately and I will pay the taxi. To be honest, I was still suspicious but did another video call and she was on the taxi and we kept chatting until she arrived. Great, fun experience, she was very horny, low mileage, nice firm tits, ass, great legs. And she looks like the next door girl. GFE experience all the day. I think she would have stayed all the way to overnight but I kicked her out as I needed to take a nap.

One thought on using Wechat for semi pro market. I only had success when I reach out to the girl to connect. I had many girls sending me connection requests but none of those led to a successful experience. So yeah, I think if you use wechat to find a semi pro, you need to be pro active rather than waiting for the girls to reach out.

The unpredictability of Saigon mongering scene is an added thrill factor for me. Initially I struggled a bit and was frustrated but if you have the time and the patience, you will find your way to whatever suits your appetite.

Peace out,

TC.

[TakingChances]

I started the day craving for my massage girl who surprisingly texted me first in the morning interested in a meeting. I scheduled for 4 pm, a bit early but our first encounter took 4 hours or so and I want to sleep early today as I am a bit tired.

The business lady arrives for lunch at my hotel. I carefully planted a trap in which I bought her a gift and, after lunch, I will invite her to my room to get the gift and explore some western music. If she wants to get intimate with me, at least she can use that as an excuse to herself and then have the justification that it just happened. It was destiny after all. Before lunch, I told her I have a crush on her and she gets excited to see me. She arrives in a smoking hot dress with nice cleavage and showing her beautiful legs. This lady is a 10 with honors today. Nice lunch, good conversation again. I found that being able to communicate in English makes a huge difference in the overall experience here. Then I let out I have a gift for her but she tells me to pick up and that she waits in the restaurant. Crap. I playfully insist but she has none of it. Came down and tried very politely touch her hand, and again she is not comfortable. That was the end of it for me. And that ends my quest for civilians, maybe I was not lucky to find a lady more liberal but I knew it was going tough going in. I now cut my losses and keep going with the semi pro market.

It is amazing Vietnam has a little bit of everything. I think the trick is to find what suits you better:

- professional market: kynu and thiendia. I found too rush service and girls wit, h too many miles. I am sure you can find a diamond in the rough if you make the rounds. The pimps on wechat I do not recommend at all. Very rushed, bad service. The FLs on wechat might be a much better choice but I would make sure she takes the time talking to you and speak some English. I have a couple lined up but have not tried yet. Hot Toc is a great experience but no boom boom satisfaction there. There is also the FLs in the park that I want to try- maybe today.

- semi-pro market: I think this is the sweet spot, with low mileage ladies, easier to find great service and GFE experience. I got a college lady and a massage lady, both low mileage, and I think between the 2 I am pretty much set if I need service. In this bucket, there are the bars, massage places, KTV girls. As I painfully learned many of these ladies do not offer services so it is an individual try and error approach for each lady. I failed withnKTV (I learned you need to ask mamasan for take out girl) and with a bar girl who simply not offering services.

- civilian market: I put some serious time in this bucket, had several dates, and came back empty handed. I considered myself handsome and with great game; but nothing did it. I read about culture and dating differences but the ladies just want long term commitment and are willing to sit on their hands. I am done with this bucket.

Where were I? Oh yeah, my massage girl arrives. She is so hot and nice, what a treat. She gives me massage and we make out like bunnies, totally GFE. She stays 5 hours and I take her for dinner. She intrigued me a bit, she in late 20's but still low mileage but she is so busy with massage and has been doing this for a long time. How is that possible, I do not know. She is a pleasure to be with but when I try to understand better what she does, she does not let out. I would like to learn a bit her so I can see how to find another one like her but she keep saying her cards close to her chest.

End of day, I am dead. Collapse sleeping. I think I will end my daily series with this post and if there is anything else's interesting, I will write up later on.

Vietnam could not have been a better experience. Some mistakes and suffering. But I am very satisfied. In the end, Vietnam has a lot of options, you just need to find what you want and your sweet spot and strategize how to get it.

Take your chances in Vietnam and you will not regret! Peace out,

TC.

[TakingChances]

Had a great lunch date with the business lady, she is gorgeous, fun, cute, fit. She picked a great restaurant and as always I pay the bill and treat her nicely. She has good conversation which makes an interesting hunt for me. I decided not to try anything yet and wait for a second date. She is worth investing some time. In mind, if nothing happens in 3 dates, I am out. We agree to meet again next day.

I really wanted to go back to hot toc and went to the same one at 112 Nguyen Phi Khanh. This time they had more than 10 girls there. I pick a gorgeous young lady. This time I pay a bit more attention to the premises and the place is falling apart, old with a lot of stains. It does not smell bad and I am not disgusted but some people can easily get turned off. The towel she gives me is clean and smell fresh. Anyway, this lady is probably in her early 20's, hard rock tits and ass, no belly, soft skin. OMFG. She spoke zero English. Upon finishing, I use google translate to ask her if boom boom possible. She says only BJ. Then I ask if she can come to my hotel later which types that she does what her mamasan tells her and she did not tell her it is OK. I am now interested asking the mamasan, however, upon my 400 k payment + 200 k tip she tells to pay to mamasan. I took as an opportunity for mamasan rip me off. She took the money with hesitation, was happy with tip and off I went. Does anyone has experience in checking out hot toc girls?

I have been working on another civilian through wechat but after I invite her for coffee or dinner, she goes silent. She probably scared meeting a stranger. I tried to bring her back to chatting but nothing.

I am interested in trying the park Cong Vien quach thi Trang. Read that there is FLs all day and night around. Right now I feel I have a full pipeline for a couple of days but we will see.

As I used a lot of wechat, I was looking at my account. I have a bit more than 50 connections made. In the first 3 days, I was too loose, sending too many requests which got me many girls to start conversation but then upon closer inspection of their pictures, I dumped texting a bunch of them, maybe 7 or 8. It has been easy to identify pimps now. Usually they go straight to the point of do you want sex and massage now. So I know it is a pimp and decline. If I am in doubt, I ask for video call but so far only one agreed and always give lame excuses such as camera broken, no internet. The FLs usually take their time a little more to offer you services and some, it takes a few days to learn that they are FLs. If you are like me and like low mileage lady and long service, so avoid the pimps because the odds are in favor of rushed service and high mileage lady.

Taking chances sometimes mean failing, and I am ok with that as long as I can toast to some success and learn my way to better outcomes. Peace out, TC.

[TakingChances]

If you want a rockstar experience. Go to DC Club off 148 Cong Quynh near Bui Vien, but before 10:00 PM. Ask for a manager named Mr. Sofi Alex and another named Mr. Teo. Tell them Anh Thai with all the tattoos over his body sent you. Tell them you want to reserve a VIP table and party with some sexy models (Mr. Teo's specialty). They will make sure you have good time and will even take you to after hours party places, when the club closes. I bet afterwards, you will write up a report of your LIFETIME. DC Club is generally reserved for the rich, powerful, and famous of HCM. So stay safe and have fun!

Thank you. Man, you do know the ropes around here! This sounds amazing but I am not sure I am brave enough to go alone.

[TakingChances]

I started the day craving to meet my college student lady and scheduled for after lunch when her classes end. In the meantime, I decided to turn my attention to the bar lady. Remember, I have no idea is she is P4P and I found her very sweet. I very politely write to her saying I have a crush on her and she says she is surprised as she herself has a crush on me. OMG. I am getting a hard on already. So I tell her however, I am not looking for a wife or a relationship so I am not sure if she is on board. Then becomes tricky as she says it is ok, we can only become friends. To which I say, friends that can kiss each other as a question. She then is noncommittal actual and she basically does not say yes or no, but that she needs time to adjust her feelings. Crap, this is not happening. So I decide to go out one last time with her, a last chance. In the late afternoon before her work. I am very very surprised that a bar girl is not open to takeout. She even has a crush on me. What the hell is going on!

I turn my attention back to we chat. I had texted a civilian that has a business full time job. She is gorgeous, OMG. I am thinking I have not had any success with civilians yet so I decided to change tactics a bit. I was surprised she was chatty with me. This time around, I invite her for lunch or dinner but I tell her upfront I am not looking for marriage nor a relationship but I found her very cute and would like to get to know her better. Either she dumps me or she is on board. And yesssssss, it worked. We agree to meet for lunchntomorrow. I feel I dropped enough hints I find her attractive and that is why we are going out. She finds me funny and may have liked my pictures. Giving this is Vietnam, I am cautiously optimistic. If if take 2 or 3 dates to get to the finish line, I would be very happy. This lady is in her late 20's which helps a bit as more mature and experienced. I have another hot civilian I am working on but more on that later.

We chat has proven very good for me given I can afford spend the time on it. I had no luck with Zalo. The problem I had with the civilians is that they want relationship, so I am trying to fix that by instead of disappointing them on the date, I tell them upfront, make my intentions a bit clearer and they can say no to me Before we Meet so we do not waste too much time.

As to the WGs in wechat, I had a bad experience with a pimp but my college lady who schedule for herself worked nicely. I think in general, I will only focus on lady's who text for themselves because if they take the time to get you hooked, they will take the time to please you in bed. The pimps are trying to squeeze the ladies, who feel pressured to speed up dates. That was my experience so far. I have a 2 other P4P candidates lined up already but all texting by themselves. There was also the tight KTV lady. Too bad we were not anatomically compatible but I suspect it would have been amazing. I considered trying again Kynu as well but honestly, it is too rushed for me -I need a bit of foreplay and I like a bit longer sex act.

So where were I? Oh yeah, my college lady arrives and we have a wonderful time. This time she enjoys herself and have an orgasm nicely. Then I went on to take a nap before I head out to meet the bar lady.

I met the bar lady but as suspected, this is not happening. I have seen this movie before. She likes me, would like me around, but emotionally she needs a lot of time to be able to be intimate with a man. She was nice and we have another good time but I am cutting my losses short with her.

Hope some appreciate my day to day account of experiences. I am sharing my high level thinking and strategizing in real time which is guided by what I like, and I do like the chase. I know most people do not have that much time on hand to do what I am doing but hopefully there are some helpful lessons learned at the end.

[MonkeyPaw]

I really like to score but when I do after such chasing it feels really really good. Vietnam is proving to be the best experience ever for me. Peace out, TC.

If you want a rockstar experience. Go to DC Club off 148 Cong Quynh near Bui Vien, but before 10:00 PM. Ask for a manager named Mr. Sofi Alex and another named Mr. Teo. Tell them Anh Thai with all the tattoos over his body sent you. Tell them you want to reserve a VIP table and party with some sexy models (Mr. Teo's specialty). They will make sure you have good time and will even take you to after hours party places, when the club closes. I bet afterwards, you will write up a report of your LIFETIME. DC Club is generally reserved for the rich, powerful, and famous of HCM. So stay safe and have fun!

[TakingChances]

In my first day, I reached out to a hottie civilian and exchanged a few texts but she went silent after that. I pinged her a few times more, once a day but heard nothing back until last morning. This is 9 girl, nice body, tits, fair skin, the whole package and early 20's. I invited her for dinner as the usual me. In my mind, when I am not absolutely sure what will happen, I think a dinner and skillful conversation will reveal the path to happiness. She agrees but she she is so tired and will rest in the afternoon because she works too hard because she need money for her mom. Aha! I got this! I reply saying I can help her with a little money if she likes me and I like her, which I am sure will happen. She then transforms herself and sends me all kinds of memes, really happy, sends a selfie, she is excited. Amazing what a little money can do. She will meet me at 6 pm at my hotel restaurant and then can just go up to my room if we like each other. She agrees and already tells me she can stay until 9 pm since she works at a KTV. Finally I got a sexy KTV girl.

In the meantime, I am off to lunch with the bar girl I met the day before at Pasteur street. She is so sweet and nice but I am not sensing she is P4P. I am thinking is it possible a bar girl that is not P4P? She dresses conservatively and from the conversation, I cannot really tell. We do a little sightseeing after lunch and then I excuse myself because I need an afternoon nap before the evening battle. I decided to try the bar girl again another day but now that we know each other better, I can just tell her point blank I have a crush on her and want her in my personal space haha. So I am very curious to see her reaction because she does not look like P4P.

Back to hotel, I keep looking at the KTV girls pictures and I read the stories of lady boys and saw a few here and some of them are pretty girls and very tough to distinguish. I politely ask her to confirm she is a girl. Totally my paranoia because there is no way she was not. She confirms but ask me if she can ask me a question. Oh oh, cannot be good I thought. She asks me if I have a big instrument because she is too tight and cannot handle big. Oh well, that was the end of it and we cancelled since yeah I am big. I had no problems so far with that here but from other posts I knew could be an issue. Man, this girl was so hot. Sucks.

Then I take my nap and invite the massage girl who cancelled on me they day before. She is free today so we go eat at Saigon center mall. She is more beautiful in person than in the pictures, nice lady, dressed conservatively and good conversation, smart lady. I overall impressed with the ladies here. Again, I have no idea if she is P4P, I ask about her massages and work, and everything and she does not let anything out. So I tell her I was looking for a foot massage and she says she does it. She also says she is going back to work after dinner. Wholly crap I think. A few more words exchanged and we agree she comes to my hotel to give foot massage. I swear that I still did not know what was going to happen. Weird but I like going with the flow to see where the road taken leads, one step a time I was thinking. Also, I truly respect these ladies, would never try to do anything they are not comfortable with and like them to enjoy too. If it was only massage, no problem. She drives me in her motorbike in hotel and she engages in the foot massage. We are talking all then time, and I still do not know if I am lucky or not. Damn. Until the massage is almost ending and she playfully grab my chest. And the rest was history. She asked for a tip for a happy ending but then I get the condom and she says usually does not do that. I insisted and she asks for a bigger tip. She wanted me to say how much. After we are hugging naked. I tell her 2 million including massage and she is happy. She stayed for another 2 hours, phenomenal sex, GFE, wow. Great body, strong lady with a little belly and normal tits. Experience was amazing. Want to repeat as well.

I really like to score but when I do after such chasing it feels really really good. Vietnam is proving to be the best experience ever for me. Peace out, TC.

[DocInHeat]

This is excellent. I definitely agree that this is a successful approach and in many ways, cost-effective. Better to make friends than enemies, especially with people you're trying to sleep with! Why continually nickel and dime people and get them in a bad attitude?

Doc.

You are learning that especially in Vietnam as an outsider, you are treated as a sex tourist, and nothing more. To get the most, you have to have some status amongst those you choose to play with. I am in Bangkok now, but HCM used to be my old stomping ground an. I had status in HCM, meaning, I was able to get action and privileges that most people cannot. It's something that most people who are oblivious of the "underground network" will not understand. So of course there will be those who always say stuff like, "how come that didn't happen for me?" They are always outsiders looking in. Our money is not always worth the same amount. Best believe that some people will get more out of a 100 bucks than others. It's all about who they are and what status they carry. Even in the pay for play scene. Look at it this way. You have 3 customers walk into a karaoke like Milan.

1. First customer is just a guy who has money who wants to fuck a hot Vietnamese girl because he read he can get action from an ISG thread. He only wants to spend the bare minimum for everything and has idea of the prices from reading the board. This type of customer is only a sex tourist to the establishment (which of course is illegal, underground, and has to pay bribes to the police). This customer will get scammed in every which way and end up spending money and get the lowest quality girls. They are a sex tourist, so they won't actually know any better.

2. Second customer is a guy who has a lot of money, who is willing to overspend to fuck a hot Vietnamese girl. He is more demanding and knows what he wants. This type of customer can walk into Milan, demand to see the line up of girls, and say he is willing to pay for the top looking ones to keep him company. The better looking girls will actually want to come. However, more money flashed, the more hustling they will do. This includes opening beer, water, and eating unnecessary food to run up your bill. You are still a sex tourist and they will still get you. You might have better luck with the girl. But she is not going to be top notch.

3. And then there is the third type of customer. This is me and how I used to roll in Vietnam. I'd call up my connect and tell him I want to party at Milan tonight. I want the best karaoke VIP room, no matter the rate per hour. Best one is about 350-400,000 per hour, just for the room. I send over photos of the exact type of girls I want. You have to understand that these guys who manage the clubs are nothing more than pimps and drug dealers posing as managers. I show up the club after midnight when they close. They are actually still opened inside, but the doors are shut from the outside. Manager comes to greet me and I slip 500 K for reserving me the best VIP room. We walk together and I ask about the girls and did he get the photos. He of course brings in these 10 girls, all slim, busty, white skinned, long haired with smiles on their faces into the VIP room. Some have been in other rooms entertaining other customers, but of course they excused themselves, and asked to go to the restroom JUST for this moment. They know my routine and they know my reputation. Of the 10 girls, I choose the best looking 3 to stay with me. I tip the other 5 of the 7 remaining girls 100 K each, and thank them for their time and their smiles. I go down the line and kiss the other 2 girls on their cheeks, whisper to them "next time," and hand them 200 K each. All the girls giggle and say "cam on" and then hurry back to their customers. When the waiters come in, I tip each waiter 500 K. There are two of them. I shut the door and lay down the ground rules in case they or anyone is new. First, nobody opens, eats, drinks anything without my permission. Second, since I have already tipped the waiters their money, I don't want them coming into my room, unless called by one of the girls or by me. Stay the fuck out! Their tip is for cleaning up the room when we are done. My money is better spent on having fun, instead of being scammed out of. They always listen, thank me for their tip, and leave the room a bit scared. But they always say, "he's so nice." Now the 3 girls who are left, stay and know what happens next. Usually, I chill, drink, and play a little Hello Kitty for the next 3 hours. They will sing and do their best to make me happy. The girls will each get 500 K per hour in tips if they stay with me. If I catch them trying to make extra money in other rooms, they will never be a part of my line up ever again. So they have a chance to make 1.5 M at the minimum just entertaining me. I like to tip 50 K for each time I get a DFK from each girl, but it has to be longer than 30 seconds. I also like to tip 100 K each time they DFK each other for 30 seconds as well. Honestly, the only thing we ever consume each time I book a room was water because of thirst from playing Hello Kitty and the fruit platter. I will always end of choosing only 1 of the 3 girls to come back to my room. I never had to discuss money or how much. Often when we got back to the room and banged each others brains out, they didn't want any payment. They would ask for me to be their boyfriend, be a good boy, and not go back to the karaoke. I of course handed them 8 green bills with Ho Chi Minh's face, smiled, and whispered "next time."

P.S. So imagine if you had the reputation of the third type of customer. Every manager at every karaoke bar will give you a blow job in order to keep you as their customer. This is how you have access to everything better.

Also try Thai Binh 3 Hotel on 22 NGO Quyen (D5). Call them first and book a room reservation for their karaoke. Mainly cater to the Chinese, Taiwanese, and Hong Kong and some Vietnamese locals as well. Others are welcome but tip the mamasan well to get the right girls for you if you can't speak the language. Follow some of my tips above about the waiters. They have about 20-30 girls per night. Have fun and tell the mamasan, her favorite customer the generous, kind, handsome guy with the cap and sleeved out tattoos sent you. Enjoy.