Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[Wander Luster]

I agree with everything you wrote. I have never tried this in Indonesia as I had girlfriends there and found that an easier route. I seem to have more fun in Muslim countries where the supposed laws make it hard but I find they love western men. I actually like PP probably because of the connection to the Deer Hunter and so forth.

I was looking at space during the week for my idea for a pool hall. Take out place and bar but seem to have run into the local mobsters already so may cool my heels on that one.

I ventured down some of the streets here to check out the massage scene but nothing eventuated. Off for some Sunday arvo drinks with one of the 35 yr old semi-pros. At least she is cheap.

Yea, I've also found Muslim women like Westerners. I had a very modern GF for Turkey for 2 years. I think there is much to be said or Indonesia. PP is great if you have the time, as it is sooooo slow there. For me I work while doing the hobby.

HCMC is doing me good now. If one can adjust to the message P4 P and knows where to go, It's awesome.

[Belvaros]

I agree with everything you wrote. I have never tried this in Indonesia as I had girlfriends there and found that an easier route. I seem to have more fun in Muslim countries where the supposed laws make it hard but I find they love western men. I actually like PP probably because of the connection to the Deer Hunter and so forth.

I was looking at space during the week for my idea for a pool hall. Take out place and bar but seem to have run into the local mobsters already so may cool my heels on that one.

I ventured down some of the streets here to check out the massage scene but nothing eventuated. Off for some Sunday arvo drinks with one of the 35 yr old semi-pros. At least she is cheap.

[Wander Luster]

Yeah I hear you. I live here most of the time now (full time really from this week). I will try Bui Vien thanks.

I really don't mind spending a lot of time to learn the scene. I was in Morocco for months until the locals relented and took me to the best spot, and the semi-pro (expensive freebie GF route) is OK. In the end I found so many places myself they learned a thing or 3. I was supposed to go to Phnom Penh today but meh, so out later hunting for lasses it will be. I do enjoy the whole SE Asian vibe after being many years in USA, Europe, Africa etc. I must say the over 30+ Vietnamese women in Australia, Singapore etc seem much thinner than the locals on the whole in Saigon and Hanoi. Maybe I need to get out into the woods and check out the real locals scene.

As for APO I will keep going and just keep a low profile until a lass shows interest or not!

P.S. I am enjoying the food here.

Belvaros,

I think my experiences at Apo and nearby Hai be Trưng hostess bars are what made me so anti P4 P about HCMC. Just stay away from them. There are stunning women in HCMC willing to go with us hobbyists, but they just aren't "set up" to meet us Westerners. I'm blown away by the girls on the escort sites in terms of beauty / price. Anyone on here tried hiring a college kid or other as a "guide" to meedt them? I'm not clear why these women don't connect with Westerners and / or why there is no one with more of a "bridge" to them. Wendella is a wealth of knowledge about this, and he's told me to go for them even though my Vietnamese is horrible. I'm not shy at all and do very well with FL girls in clubs in Asia, for example, but texting with these girls in Vietnamese, well I'm shy about that.

As for Cambodia vs. Vietnam, they are crazy different to me. The hobby scene in PP Campbodia is awesome and reminds me in many ways more of BKIK. But, PP is city I don't love.

I will try to follow the "when in Rome" principal more. I think the message places can be a place to find 9's, but not expect FS.

I'll also probably head down to Indonesia for 1-2 months: the rainy season gets to be a drag. Jakarta has been very good to me long ago both for find GF (should have married someone I met there!) and for clubs and FS message places.

[BlueBaron]

Is the VIC bar still going? That seemed a good option when I went few years back. Hostess bar, all girls available for takeout. I would suppose inflation has struck there too. Remember it being near CMT8 street in district 3, before reaching Dien Bien Phu street.

[Belvaros]

Belvaros,


VN is tough for P4 P if you don't live there. The message place can be great if you find what you like (I did, in District 3, wow) but we're used to FS! If you must do P4 P, go to Bui Vien. It's a bit hit or miss, but 10 X better than Apo. I was on Bui Vien 3 weeks ago and found a stunner who was eager and GF experience. Prices are same for most girls, but some will disappoint.

WanderLuster.

Yeah I hear you. I live here most of the time now (full time really from this week). I will try Bui Vien thanks.

I really don't mind spending a lot of time to learn the scene. I was in Morocco for months until the locals relented and took me to the best spot, and the semi-pro (expensive freebie GF route) is OK. In the end I found so many places myself they learned a thing or 3. I was supposed to go to Phnom Penh today but meh, so out later hunting for lasses it will be. I do enjoy the whole SE Asian vibe after being many years in USA, Europe, Africa etc. I must say the over 30+ Vietnamese women in Australia, Singapore etc seem much thinner than the locals on the whole in Saigon and Hanoi. Maybe I need to get out into the woods and check out the real locals scene.

As for APO I will keep going and just keep a low profile until a lass shows interest or not!

P.S. I am enjoying the food here.

[Wander Luster]

Seems to be the trend around the world now when places become attractive to the richer and mainly monger set from the west. Some broad in Marrakesh last year quoted me 300 Euros ST in a country where I dare not pay over $100 for a day with a 100/100 type.

Anyway, I laugh at some of the women in APO to their faces when they quote prices and tell them in my worst Vietnamese that I wouldn't pay them that in New York. Some of them find it funny and some just do not get my SOH.

Belvaros,

It's a useless place for p4 p now, but it's still a good pick-up bar if you're looking for a girlfriend. I don't know about this type of stupid "inflation" in other countries so much. I've been to a couple of the largest dance clubs in BKK recently, and nothing like this BS happens there. I'm 40 now, but no problem with that in BKK clubs. In VN where I know the culture and some language, like you I just LOL when these girls ask for $150 and are nothing special or $200 if they are cute.

VN is tough for P4 P if you don't live there. The message place can be great if you find what you like (I did, in District 3, wow) but we're used to FS! If you must do P4 P, go to Bui Vien. It's a bit hit or miss, but 10 X better than Apo. I was on Bui Vien 3 weeks ago and found a stunner who was eager and GF experience. Prices are same for most girls, but some will disappoint.

WanderLuster.

[Belvaros]

Yep, 100% on the mark, and also my modus operandi. It works. Looking forward to your reports.

I think they pick up on my "I don't give a rat's ass" attitude and find that more interesting. Dunno, but I do know since I stopped giving a hoot, women hit on me.

Of course YMMV.

I hope to hit Hanoi next week and will write reports.

[Pak Mike]

Yep, 100% on the mark, and also my modus operandi. It works. Looking forward to your reports.

Seems to be the trend around the world now when places become attractive to the richer and mainly monger set from the west. Some broad in Marrakesh last year quoted me 300 Euros ST in a country where I dare not pay over $100 for a day with a 100/100 type.

Anyway, I laugh at some of the women in APO to their faces when they quote prices and tell them in my worst Vietnamese that I wouldn't pay them that in New York. Some of them find it funny and some just do not get my SOH.

Anyway, I haven't posted here on ISG in a long time. I have been in and out of lower SE Asia (Cambodia, Vietnam and others) for a while and am about to live full time in Saigon (or HCMC for you post war types). My experience here after RTFF (and I mean all the effing forum) is that the cafe route by day hit on the MILF route seems to work well. My technique is a bit slow but well proven. 1 Smile at her if you like her. Then ignore her 2. Come back the same time each day, rinse and repeat.

3. Wait until you think she is primed then pounce. I only go for the premium selections and live here so have plenty of time to waste and frankly enjoy the hunt as much as the ultimate kill.

Then again, I tend to agree with whoever wrote that the best sex and best prices I have had here (in nightclubs and bars) have been with the ladies who speak no English. I just say Hi, point to the door, show them a price on my cell phone and either leave with her or move onto the next (well not in APO but in just about any bar or semi-ho joint).

Thanks to everyone for all the reports. I now have 2 x 30+ MILFS on rotation and a twenty something who is on the marriage route semi-pro tour who costs a wee bit too much for my like in this cheap country, but as my brother says, A wet tip is better than a dry tip.

Once I am settled into a long term apt and have time I will write detailed name, rank and serial nos (plus pics) reports. I may buy a bar myself and set it up more like a large pool hall like they have in Casablanca (basically a cheap arms length brothel). We will see.

"Party on Wayne".

[Belvaros]

Oh, and I should add that the guy who owns APO needs to update his [CodeWord140] poor wine list, only crappy Jacobs Creek for house wine.

If you want to have some fun, I do suggest telling the young hoity- toity ladies that you would like to drink a peanut-butter banana smoothie off their naked bodies. Tried it on one mid 20's stunner (thought she was the Queen of England) and she was so shocked someone would talk like that she almost fell over!

[Belvaros]

This place is out of control. I go there on the weekend to pick up single girls but also talk to the p4 p girls. They all now want $150, some even $200. It WAS common to find $100 or less last year. Don't waste your time. If this is your interest, go to back-packer street where they're not freelancing and charge less than $100.

Seems to be the trend around the world now when places become attractive to the richer and mainly monger set from the west. Some broad in Marrakesh last year quoted me 300 Euros ST in a country where I dare not pay over $100 for a day with a 100/100 type.

Anyway, I laugh at some of the women in APO to their faces when they quote prices and tell them in my worst Vietnamese that I wouldn't pay them that in New York. Some of them find it funny and some just do not get my SOH.

Anyway, I haven't posted here on ISG in a long time. I have been in and out of lower SE Asia (Cambodia, Vietnam and others) for a while and am about to live full time in Saigon (or HCMC for you post war types). My experience here after RTFF (and I mean all the effing forum) is that the cafe route by day hit on the MILF route seems to work well. My technique is a bit slow but well proven. 1 Smile at her if you like her. Then ignore her 2. Come back the same time each day, rinse and repeat.

3. Wait until you think she is primed then pounce. I only go for the premium selections and live here so have plenty of time to waste and frankly enjoy the hunt as much as the ultimate kill.

Then again, I tend to agree with whoever wrote that the best sex and best prices I have had here (in nightclubs and bars) have been with the ladies who speak no English. I just say Hi, point to the door, show them a price on my cell phone and either leave with her or move onto the next (well not in APO but in just about any bar or semi-ho joint).

Thanks to everyone for all the reports. I now have 2 x 30+ MILFS on rotation and a twenty something who is on the marriage route semi-pro tour who costs a wee bit too much for my like in this cheap country, but as my brother says, A wet tip is better than a dry tip.

Once I am settled into a long term apt and have time I will write detailed name, rank and serial nos (plus pics) reports. I may buy a bar myself and set it up more like a large pool hall like they have in Casablanca (basically a cheap arms length brothel). We will see.

"Party on Wayne".

[KenDavis03]

Hi all -.

I am planning on a couple of visits to HCM this summer. As always, I am swamped with meetings, etc. So I am looking for 'sure thing' type of action. I know from a bit of experience that HCM isn't the easiest place to monger, though. A couple of?'s:

1) Is there a girl friendly hotel that is a nice Hilton / Intercontinental / Sheraton type hotel? Not those brands specifically, but a proper business hotel with all the amenities that is is also girl friendy? I 'hve mad mixed experiences with 3 star hotels in that city!

2) Are there any agencies that can send a girl over reliably? In most cities there is at least one legit escort service with top level girls that speak english, know how to be discrete, and show you a good time. I haven't seen this in HCM though!

Thanks in advance!!

[EatALotOpus]

Anyone ever try bringing a girl to an Airbnb? Seems like that might fly and not have to deal with hotel nonsense.

Not wanting any surprises I emailed the actual owner as he was using his condo as an investment property. Wanted to rent it for a month and I was up front with him telling him that I have a steady local. He declined me base on the fact that "it won't look good to the neighbour's" and he may have legal issues if someone reported it. Did not press it not looked for another condo on Airbnb.

[Wander Luster]

This place is out of control. I go there on the weekend to pick up single girls but also talk to the p4 p girls. They all now want $150, some even $200. It WAS common to find $100 or less last year. Don't waste your time. If this is your interest, go to back-packer street where they're not freelancing and charge less than $100.

[WestLook]

My girlfriend and I will be traveling to Vietnam this summer and she wants in on some girl / girl action. Any recs on where to go for a naughty couples massage?

[RobertVince12]

Lots of talk on the board about AirBNB. I've always stayed 5 star with a restaurant and managed to meet the girl at the restaurant and scurry her up to my room. I've also just did it official and had the girl check in at the front desk, they call to verify they are sending her up, and then she appears at the door (maybe by herself and maybe with the bellman there). Never had a word said to me (Yet. Definitely not preferable).

WeChat is where they all hang out and whoever said it's run by managers or mammsans is right. They recycle shitty pics and you never get the same girl. It's varying service levels, I usually make sure I ask them if what I want is okay and then it usually is. Girls have been mostly attractive though, if a little mechanical. A couple I actually clicked with and got their personal digits and just hit them up directly now.

Best massage place I've been is Vien Dong Hotel. A little pricey but high end, good security and professional staff. Nothing more than a happy ending though.

Anyone got digits / pics happy to share.