Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[DavePuppy]

Freelancer is a hooker working without an organisation or building or pimp or moto guy.

Freebie is a chick who will bang you without money or remuneration of any kind.

Why don't people talk much about Freelancers? Everyone knows the bar you go to find them in and they are mentioned on here. 50% of the girls in Apocalpyse Now or Go2 at 3am will be p4p. Most other upmarket clubs have a smattering of them that are harder find. Lots more semi-pro's in no sex service industry but requires time / language skills to develop.

E. G I met a hot hooker in a club at 2am called Nguyen.

Do you think if you go to the same club at the same time you'll meet her?

[Fast Eddie 48]

Read most of the last 10 pages of this thread and one thing I am surprised to not see mentioned is picking up freelancers at clubs, I have a buddy who lives there and says they are everywhere, you can't not find them, yet on here all the talk is of hot tocs, massage parlors, and getting drinks at cafe's and chatting with a cutie?

He also says just walking on the street he gets asked every day.

He's not the bs'ing type so I totally believe what he says, so why don't I read about that on here at all?

Dante,

You need to know most ISG member go to Vietnam just to visit for a short time not like your friend that live there and speak vietnamese, when I was there last yr only a few days on business don't have time to look for freebie you need to know this is a mongering site not a dating site.

Fast Eddie 48

[Dante2]

Read most of the last 10 pages of this thread and one thing I am surprised to not see mentioned is picking up freelancers at clubs, I have a buddy who lives there and says they are everywhere, you can't not find them, yet on here all the talk is of hot tocs, massage parlors, and getting drinks at cafe's and chatting with a cutie?

He also says just walking on the street he gets asked every day.

He's not the bs'ing type so I totally believe what he says, so why don't I read about that on here at all?

[OzzieSuds]

Oh, but in your post you had said it was 1:30am. That would actually be a plausible hour at which they might be able to show you real HBT girls. Most of those bars seem to close at around 1am these days, so it's right after that when you see them all on their way home, going to get their motorbikes or else congregating together somewhere before heading home. But I doubt there's any bars closing as early as 12 these days. I can't believe the bars are going to let these motorbike guys come in (at midnight or so) and grab girls to go show some tourist. Why would they. The girl is their property, she's what helps the bar make money. And the motorbike guy surely isn't going to pay a bar fine for her just on the chance that the tourist will say yes.

I know you're a very experienced guy, know the ropes pretty well. I'm just saying, this story of theirs doesn't quite make sense, unless this is some major recent change in how things work. Possible, I suppose. But hey they are touts. Touts lie. I'll be honest, I'm not totally sure this is BS. But if I was going to place a bet, that's what I'd put money on.

I have had gals from Smiley and other bars come to me before and after work. One even came for a quickie when sh was doing the dinner run for the others!

But as Wendella says they are always in street clothes and always careful that the bar does not find out.

[Wendella]

The times I had the touts call the girls was from midnight until 2am. The touts are out much earlier but at the earlier times I kept telling them no.

Oh, but in your post you had said it was 1:30am. That would actually be a plausible hour at which they might be able to show you real HBT girls. Most of those bars seem to close at around 1am these days, so it's right after that when you see them all on their way home, going to get their motorbikes or else congregating together somewhere before heading home. But I doubt there's any bars closing as early as 12 these days. I can't believe the bars are going to let these motorbike guys come in (at midnight or so) and grab girls to go show some tourist. Why would they. The girl is their property, she's what helps the bar make money. And the motorbike guy surely isn't going to pay a bar fine for her just on the chance that the tourist will say yes.

I know you're a very experienced guy, know the ropes pretty well. I'm just saying, this story of theirs doesn't quite make sense, unless this is some major recent change in how things work. Possible, I suppose. But hey they are touts. Touts lie. I'll be honest, I'm not totally sure this is BS. But if I was going to place a bet, that's what I'd put money on.

[Mr Enternational]

OK, the ones who go around on the backs of bikes, those would never be from the HBT bars. Now that I look at details of your story, if this is happening in the early morning hours after the HBT bars close, then I suppose it is possible some of those girls are doing this after work to try to get extra business.

The times I had the touts call the girls was from midnight until 2am. The touts are out much earlier but at the earlier times I kept telling them no.

There have always been touts working in that general area of District 1 who would approach foreigners and then bring girls over for them to go with, but always one at a time. Those guys don't seem to want anyone to know where the girls are being kept. (I would like to have known so I could have gone there and chose the one I want rather than have to wait around for the one the tout chose, then say No, then wait again for the next possible candidate. Such a ridiculous system).

You are telling me? Take me to the source so I can choose my own damn girl and save us all a lot of time.

[Wendella]

OK, the ones who go around on the backs of bikes, those would never be from the HBT bars. Now that I look at details of your story, if this is happening in the early morning hours after the HBT bars close, then I suppose it is possible some of those girls are doing this after work to try to get extra business. I still have my doubts though. You know what, there might be a way to find out. If you go with one of these girls, ask her which bar she works in. Then go there later and see if she really does or not.

There have always been touts working in that general area of District 1 who would approach foreigners and then bring girls over for them to go with, but always one at a time. Those guys don't seem to want anyone to know where the girls are being kept. (I would like to have known so I could have gone there and chose the one I want rather than have to wait around for the one the tout chose, then say No, then wait again for the next possible candidate. Such a ridiculous system).

About the costumes they wear, whenever the girls leave the bar they get changed into street clothes. So if they are wearing the bar costumes out on the street, that would also seem suspect. They could be doing that to give the impression that they work in the bars.

Anyway, it is possible I'm wrong. But to me it seems like this doesn't totally add up, and it's easy to imagine why the tout would lie and make that claim.

[RandySax]

after reading the hcmc for a while and finally getting over here to vn, i walked into benny's schooled thanks to this forum. so the first part went smoothly and i plonked 120 down on the desk and kept walking. then followed the girl into the cubicle and did the business which was as described here in the forum. must say it was great! second part not so great. after the deed i opened my wallet to fish out another 120 for her but she was very firm on 200 and wouldn't let me leave until i ponied up another 80. i told her no and only offered another 20 but she was adamant she was getting 200. anyway i fucked up and caved in. next time i will have 120 prepared to hand over in my pocket so she doesn't see the wad of cash when i open my wallet. for any first timers to benny's i recommend not flashing a wallet full of cash because then it's an invitation for them to demand more. not sure i'll go that far next time as i'm staying in q7, but are there any recommendations for around this area? i know there's korea town but is there a street in korea town where they all are or are they rep001tered all around q7? apologies again for inflating the market. she got me at a vulnerable moment.

[Donnylad]

There was one curious event that I missed. Just before leaving the hotel for the airport, I asked reception who had been cleaning my room in order tp tip them. I searched on every floor with the name I was given and was directed to a lady who was older. She spoke passable english and was really grateful for the tip. The unusual part was when she started conversation about me and everything. I found myself having a similar conversation as I do when talking to a freelancer! She said she was 43 and had kids. When she found out I was single she started saying she was surprised as I was so handsome etc. She even said she 'loved' me (I presume she meant she fancied me). In parting I told her she was beautiful and she even allowed us to kiss each other on the cheek. Not sure exactly what her intentions were but I suspect she was open to P4P and am sure I could have achieved this if I had more time and had met her earlier in my stay.

[Donnylad]

Apologies for the delay with this as this happened in early Feb, just before Tet. The details are a little fuzzy as a result. I would like to start by saying that members generally warned me about the lack of action, mainly freelance, before my visit. I arrived in the evening and got a local sim card at the airport. My hotel was the 70 hotel on Bui Vien. Just a few doors from Go2 bar. Small and family run but I had agreed to be able to take ladies in when I booked. My first stop was Hai Ba Trung. I hit one of the bars and was surprised at the style with mamasan etc. Bit disappointed as drinks pricey and girls quoted at $60 for ST to go to my hotel. I tried a trick that was reported here by another member, with one of the few girls that came up to me to strike conversation. I quietly asked her if she had a mobile and wanted to call me if she ever wanted to do business for $25. She refused completely. Leaving there, I headed to Go2. Soon after sitting there, which was quite busy with tourists, a well-dressed, plain-looking Vietnamese lady gestured to me from afar. I agreed for her to join me. Soon we were chatting and the conversation soon turned to business. We eventually agreed on 800k for 2 hrs at my hotel with all items on my menu being agreed. Said she was late 30's or early 40's and looked it. Quite heavily built by Viet standards. Lives a far way out of town and visits with a friend who she said had just gone home. Back at the hotel, she had a nice pair of average size tits, bit of a belly and was surprisingly shaven. She spoke decent english too. DATY was good and her oral techniques were good. DFK was decent too. Sex was average due to her size and video / pics were fine. Took her number as she said she might be able to arrange a pregnant girl.

Next day the girl from night before said she didn't want to arrange pregnant girl because it would mean 'bad luck' for her. Unfortunately, like a few other places during my trip, the previous experience turned out to be 'beginner's luck'. Over the next 3 nights, I visited the other spots reported previously, such as the disco on Ly Tu Trong (can't remember the name, but just lots of wealthy young locals with no seating and loud music so walked out after one drink) and another bar similar to Go2 and nearby. No sign of any girls. I always ended up back at Go2 and was known as the 'water man' as I found that to be the best value drink there. The 2nd night, I saw the same girl from night before and she sat with me and her friend who was a hot 20-yr old. There was another working girl at the bar and she was quite hot too. The girls I was sat with tried to negotiate with her for me but she insisted on 1mil for an hour. I ended up asking the friend and she asked how much and I offered 700k and she refused. Annoyed I didn't negotiate further. She soon left with a young japanese guy who showed up and I think she actually had a hotel room nearby. A couple of nights I saw the same sexy lady with a tattoo on the back of her neck walking around the bar. Presumed she was a working girl but she never tried to get my attention and I presumed she would be out of my budget anyway. The girl from the first night always wanted me to see her again but I kept putting her off. I decided I would offer her 500k if I hadn't got a better option on my last night. I had seen her on the Thurs night and she was in Go2 with her friend on the Fri. She was nowhere to be seen on Sat and on my last night (Sun) I texted her and she replied she doesn't work at weekends and was happy to see me on Mon for 500k! Alas it was not to be. She had even said before that she would allow cum on her face next time I saw her. I did see what I suspected were motorbike girls parked up on the crossroads that Go2 is on but never explored that option due to language issues and concerns I might be wrong! For various reasons, any venue other than my hotel room for action was not an option, so that cut down a lot of opportunities. In closing, not one of the best mongering locations in my opinion but more freelance opportunities than some members had me believe. As someone has said before, I have to agree that the best place for Viet ladies at decent prices has to be Cambodia, in my experience.

DL

[Mr Enternational]

Those girls on the backs of motorbikes are not from the bars. The drivers are not willing to tell the truth about where they do really come from.

Well they must have their lies together then because when I asked the girl who I hit she told me the same thing. It was never a driver I dealt with. It was always that I was on the street and a guy on foot approached asking if I wanted a girl. When I said yes, they would make a call and the girl would show up on the back of a bike.

All the girls that the guys called for me were dressed the same as the girls I saw in the bar, in like a short sexy dress. So where do you say they come from? As soon as the guy makes the call they show up in like 2 minutes. The same when the guy took me to the hotel and made a call and 3 girls showed up in less than 5 minutes.

Damn near the same thing happens in Thailand. The girls who work in the gogo bar go for $80 or so, but if you catch them when they are off work and at the disco you just pay $30 for all night. Different venues have different prices, but some of the same girls migrate between venues.

But what the guy said makes a lot of business since to me. A girl is sitting in a bar doing nothing and not making anything. Why not run out for an hour and do a side job? Of course it will be less than the normal bar cost and everyone still has to get their cut, but some money is better than no money.

I never had someone on a bike just come up to me like I have read reports about. And I didn't see any of the ladyboys on bikes that some people report about either. I stayed at Hai Long 5 in District 1, right around the corner from Apocalypse Now. Maybe it goes down like that in a different area from where I was.

[Wendella]

I asked him where the hell the girls were coming from. He said they work in the bars, but if I went to the bars it would cost me more money because I would have to buy drinks, then tips, then bar fine, then a higher amount for the actual girl.

He's not telling the truth. Imagine a motorbike driver like that guy poked his head into one of the HBT bars and asked for a girl to come with him. And she will go for far less money than she would charge from the bar (just her fee I mean-at the bar she would get something like 1. 2 million for ST) , the bar would get nothing (so why let her leave?) and of course these girls would need to get changed into street clothes, they wear sexy dresses inside those bars. Those girls on the backs of motorbikes are not from the bars. The drivers are not willing to tell the truth about where they do really come from.

[AmericanThief]

I have to be at work by 7:30am, my serviced apartment locks it's doors at 11pm, sure I can knock and they'll let me in but it makes trouble and they get revenge on me. What I'm saying is I can't be out late when all the action is happening.

So where should I go? Weekends aren't an option. I meet my girlfriends those days.

[Timewaster]

I'm in HCM now and find it is extremely easy and safe to get FS.

All you need to do is walk down HBT or DongKhoi on the southern end (near the ferry).

They will bring the girls to you to look at. If you agree then it is $40 for 1 hour plus $10 mini-hotel fee depending on whether you need it or not.

I have some of the pimp phone numbers if anyone is interested. But it is not necessary. They will find you if you are in the area.

[FruitNinja]

RTFF man, if you go back 20 pages or about 9 months you will find the answers to all. By the way, do you live in Vietnam? You talk like an expat expert on everything. So where do you live? Just country and city. I'm not stalking you.

I wouldn't waste much time on this guy. Expert on everything in life. He'll take your info and then probably start spewing like he's the King of HCMC. Oh yeah, he's a big swinging wall street type living in Manhattan. Probably a home in the Hamptons. LOL.

He's got a wife that doesn't mind him mongering other than when he can't buy groceries because of it. Oh yeah, she swings too, they have one of those open marriages, he travels buys hookers and then comes back and she's waiting to go swinging.

Everybody wants to be RR. I certainly do.